Dodgers Minor League Countdown: 140 - 131
Here is the next part of my minor league countdown, and the final segment of 2010. As promised, the names are now getting more recognizable, and I think there are several interesting players in this group.
140. Ariel Pena, RHP (17 IP in DSL in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2010
6’4”, 208 lbs, 19 years old
0-1, 5.29 ERA, 2.53 WHIP, 7.14 FIP, 4.24 K/9
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Ariel Pena did not have a great statistical season in 2010, but his size and youth give him an advantage over several other players in the Dodgers organization. The 6’4” 19 year old has a perfect pitchers’ frame, and still has plenty of time to improve. One interesting thing about Pena’s 2010 season is that he did not allow an earned run against left handed batters through 5 innings. He will obviously return to the DSL in 2011 after posting a 2.53 WHIP in 2010, but a solid performance could land him a spot in a US based rookie league in 2012.
139. Yimy Rodriguez, RHP (20.2 IP in Arizona League in 2010)
Drafted by Dodgers 2010, 27th round
6’2”, 215 lbs, 23.5 years old
3.92 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 4.12 FIP, 4.79 K/9
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Yimy Queipo-Rodriguez was selected by the Dodgers out of Peru St. College (Nebraska) in the 27th round of the 2010 draft. Rodriguez was the 1st player from Peru St. College to get drafted, and he made his school proud. After the draft, PSC President Dan Hanson said, “This is a great day for Yimy and Peru State College baseball. In addition to making Peru State history, Yimy’s baseball success will undoubtedly inspire legions of young athletes from the area long into the future. I congratulate Yimy on his amazing accomplishment and the Dodgers on a great new recruit.” At Peru, Yimy had a 3.83 ERA as a junior and a 4.52 ERA as a senior. In his professional debut with the Arizona Dodgers, the 23 year old Rodriguez had a great WHIP of 1.11, but his ERA and FIP were less impressive. Besides his stats, the only thing I know about Rodriguez is that he throws pretty hard, although his strikeout rate in college and in his professional debut wasn’t very impressive. Rodriguez might move to LoA in 2011, but unless he improves his secondary stuff it seems doubtful that he’ll ever be a relevant Dodger prospect.
138. Antonio Castillo, LHP (48.2 IP in Pioneer League in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers 3/30/07
5’11”, 180 lbs, 23 years old
3-6, 8.32 ERA, 1.81 WHIP, 3.20 FIP, 7.77 K/9
Pre 2010 Rank: 93; Pre 2009 Rank: 45
Antonio Castillo appears to be homesick. A Dominican native, Castillo absolutely dominated the DSL in 2008 and 2009, posting a combined 1.41 ERA, 0.80 WHIP, and 9.2 K/9 through 115 innings. After getting promoted to the Pioneer year in 2009, however, Castillo has been terrible. When you combine his 2009 and 2010 seasons with the Raptors, Antonio has a 7.19 ERA, a 1.87 WHIP, and a 7.6 K/9 through 96.1 innings. What a difference a country makes. I watched him pitch this past season online, and he has a 3 quarter delivery with a decent sized leg kick. In addition, he appeared to be extremely undersized for a pitcher. Overall, given his lack of success over the past two seasons and his small stature, it appears that Castillo is no longer a legitimate Dodger prospect. However, Castillo is still just 23 years old and did have a two year stretch when he dominated batters, so he shouldn’t be completely written off just yet.
137. Andrew Edge, C (21 games in Arizona League in 2010)
Drafted by Dodgers 2010, 24th round
6’2”, 230 lbs, 23.25 years old, bats right handed
.259 average, .824 OPS, 4 HR’s, 15 RBI’s, 1 SB
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Andrew Edge was selected by the Dodgers in the 24th round of the 2010 draft out of Jacksonville State, and he was ready to sign right away. Upon getting drafted, he said “I was just hoping to get picked up by anybody. I’m actually happy with the Dodgers. I like the team and hopefully I can work hard and make my way up there. They told me to enjoy it right now. I’m kind of on cloud nine and waiting to see what I need to do.” While at Jacksonville State, the catcher had a very good senior season, hitting .330 with 11 homers and 64 RBI’s. Edge made his professional debut with the Arizona Dodgers, and got off to a hot start. Through July, Andrew had an average above .315 and already had 4 homers through just 56 at bats. He hit the skids in August, however, which is what dropped his average to .259 for the season. In addition, he struck out in 30.7% of his plate appearances in 2010. One of the older players in the league, Edge did play solid defense and threw out 8 of 12 potential base stealers behind the plate. Because the Dodgers have a crowded catching situation in their lower minors, it is difficult to project where Edge will play in 2011. But given his age, it’s not out of the question for him to play in a full season league next year.
136. Austin King, OF (35 games in Pioneer League in 2010)
Drafted by Dodgers 2009, 31st round
6’2”, 200 lbs, 22.25 years old, bats right handed
.241 average, .682 OPS, 3 HR’s, 13 RBI’s, 15 SB’s
Pre 2010 Rank: 149; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Austin King was drafted out of high school by the White Sox in the 40th round of the 2007 draft, but obviously didn’t sign. He went on to play at a JC, and in 2009 the Dodgers selected him 9 rounds earlier than in 2007. Upon signing, King made his professional debut with the Arizona Dodgers and got off to a slow start before catching fire in August. That earned him a promotion in 2010 as he spent the season in Ogden. Unfortunately for Austin the Raptor outfield was pretty crowded, so King only accumulated 108 at bats in the Pioneer League. When he did play he spent most of his time in center field, and only made one error all year. In addition, King showed off his speed by stealing 15 bases in 17 attempts, which was good for 9th in the league despite his limited playing time. Since he just turned 22 years old, King is still pretty young, and I’m going to go out on a limb and say that he’s a sleeper prospect for me because I like his speed and his size. He’ll probably have to fight again for playing time in 2011 in the Midwest League, but I’m hoping that he’ll surprise some people and jump up the prospect rankings by this time next year.
135. Chris Handke, RHP (22.1 IP in Arizona League in 2010)
Drafted by Dodgers 2009, 41st round
6’11”, 235 lbs, 23 years old
1-0, 4.03 ERA, 1.70 WHIP, 4.81 FIP, 8.06 K/9
Pre 2010 Rank: 154; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
As I mentioned last year, Chris Handke is an interesting prospect with an even more interesting background. The giant pitcher was actually a much better basketball player at Cornell College, averaging 9.8 points per game and setting the single season record for blocks with 45 during the 2008-2009 season. In addition, Handke had a 3.92 GPA while majoring in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. And by the way, his career pitching stats at Cornell looked like this: 0-1, 10.12 ERA, 25 walks, and 11 strikeouts in 21.1 innings. Based on the above information, who would have guessed that he’d be playing in the Dodgers minor league system? Well, Chris didn’t even believe it after he was drafted. He was quoted as saying “I told the Dodgers that I want to finish my degree at Cornell and complete my basketball career.” Handke ended up signing with the Dodgers because they allowed him to finish his degree last winter. He only got into two games in his professional debut because an injury shut him down, however, and after the 2009 season he was quoted as saying “After my first two outings in the Arizona Rookie League, it was clear that I needed more work on my mechanics to be able to throw strikes and quality pitches consistently. Luckily though the Dodgers have some great pitching coaches who were all more than willing to work with me and I spent about a month just working on refining and repeating my delivery with them.” He was sent back to the Arizona League in 2010, and this time he got a little more work in. Besides being very wild, Handke was actually pretty good through 22.1 innings. Because taller pitchers are historically late bloomers and need to grow into his body, I’m not overly concerned about his control or his age. I do know that he has hit 93 mph in the past, so I’m sure the Dodgers will continue to spend time on him to see if they can maximize his potential. I’m hoping he’ll get a chance to play in LoA next season so we can see what he does in a full season league against older competition.
134. Luis Mesa, RHP (56.2 IP in DSL in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2009
6’4”, 170 lbs, 20.75 years old
4-4, 3.02 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 3.18 FIP, 7.31 K/9
Pre 2010 Rank: 173; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Luis Mesa is a young player from Venezuela who debuted with the Dominican Dodgers in 2009. He struggled in 2009 to the tune of a 6.37 ERA, but really turned things around in 2010. The 6’4” righty had a 3.02 ERA this past season, and batters only hit .227 against him in 56.2 innings. He also only allowed 1 homer all year, and he was especially effective in the month of August when he threw 18 innings without allowing an earned run. With a solid pitching frame and two years of professional experience under his belt, Mesa is a prime candidate to move up to the Arizona League in 2011.
133. Clay Calfee, 1B/OF (36 games in HiA in 2010)
Drafted by Dodgers 2008, 14th round
6’6”, 220 lbs, 24.75 years old, bats left handed
.233 average, .636 OPS, 2 HR’s, 11 RBI’s, 1 SB
Pre 2010 Rank: 86; Pre 2009 Rank: 69
Clay Calfee was drafted out of Angelo State in Texas in 2008, and left the school as their all time leader in home runs (28), RBI’s (171), and hits (239). He made his professional debut in the Pioneer League, and while he struggled with a .232 average, he did manage to hit 8 HR’s and drive in 35. In 2009 Calfee actually played at three different levels (Arizona League, Pioneer League, and LoA), but only got into 44 games and was pretty mediocre overall. Calfee was promoted to HiA for the 2010 season, but he was plagued by injuries and was limited to 36 games, hitting just .233 in the process. In addition, he continued to strike out at an alarming rate. Despite his size and power potential, the Dodgers decided to release Calfee in December, so he won’t be around next season. Since I had already finalized my ranking by the time he was released, this is basically where he would have ranked had he stayed in the Dodgers system for 2011.
132. Gregory Pena, OF (58 games in DSL in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2010
6’0”, 175 lbs, 19 years old, switch hitter
.212 average, .575 OPS, 0 HR’s, 12 RBI’s, 14 SB's
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Gregory Pena was apparently born in New York, but must have moved out of the USA at some point because he wasn’t subject to the MLB draft. Instead, he was signed by the Dodgers as an international free agent and made his professional debut in the Dominican Summer League in 2010. The 18 year old severed as the Dodgers main center fielder, but he didn’t do much at the plate as he hit just .212 for the season. He also didn’t show any power, and had an OPS of only .575. Nevertheless, Greg does have a few things going for him heading into 2011. First, Pena is a switch hitter. Second, he stole 14 bases in 19 attempts, so he does have good speed. Finally, he demonstrated a very good eye at the plate as he walked in 11.5% of his plate appearances. Given his age, I’m sure Pena will return to the DSL in 2011, and he’ll be one of the players I watch closely in the DSL next year because I believe he’s a candidate to move up to the Arizona League in 2012.
131. Alex Garabedian, C (19 games in AA, 23 games in HiA)
Drafted by Dodgers 2007, 8th round
6’2”, 210 lbs, 25.5 years old, bats right handed
.292 average, .789 OPS, 3 HR’s, 21 RBI’s, 0 SB’s
Pre 2010 Rank: 144; Pre 2009 Rank: 98
Coming out of high school, Alex Garabedian was considered to be one of the better catching prospects. He was a 2003 AFLAC All-American, was named as the top catcher in Florida by TeamOne Baseball, and was ranked by Baseball America as the second-best catching prospect and the 33rd-best overall prospect nationally going into the 2004 draft. However, he fell to the Yankees in the 7th round of that 2004 draft, and decided to attend the University of Miami rather than turning pro. After hitting .255 with the Hurricanes during his freshman season, he actually decided to transfer to the College of Charleston. At Charleston, Garabedian did much better, and as a Junior, he hit .353 with 13 homers, and also threw out over 40 percent of attempted base stealers. That led to him being drafted by the Dodgers in the 8th round of the 2007 draft. Unfortunately, even though his biggest asset is his bat, he has struggled at the plate since his professional debut. His career minor league average is .248, and he only has 16 homers in 818 minor league at bats. In 2010, he started and ended the year in AA, but spent a good part of the season in Inland Empire. While he put up solid stats during his 2010 campaign, he only participated in 42 games and struggled against the older competition (.239 average in AA vs. a .321 average in HiA). Now 25 years old, Garabedian will probably spend the majority of the 2011 season in AA, and how he performs will definitely dictate the remainder of his career.
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I think Garabedian
is the only one here I had previously heard of.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 8:07 AM PST reply actions
I'm intrigued by
Austin King, Garabedian, and Handke.
6’11 and 235?! That’s a skinny dude.
the square root of 69 is 8 something, right? cos i've been tryin' to work it out...
He should fight Dee Gordon
This is what 6’11 like 245 looks like

@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
it would be pretty funny
to see Dee Gordon and Handke walking side by side in spring training
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 28, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
tiny tiny tiny tiny picture
But size doesn’t matter, right? You get the point.
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
and reg
I call shenanigans, Handke does not look like that nice-stomach-having gent up there. In fact, he needs to get more Chadlike in his legs.
Man, I’m terrible. This poor kid is going to google his name, see this, and then go cry cos some random girl on the internet was like, “Meh, I don’t like his physique based on this thumbnail, pass”
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
that Maddz
is Stephan Struve, UFC fighter with the nickname “Skyscraper”. just FYI
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, just wanted to show that Handke probably has the physique of a giant 12 year old.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
lol
I just wanted Maddz to know his name so she could google him.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
His face might scream “pre-pubescent” but that’s about all that does.
And it’s too early for spelling.
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
And really, if you’re looking for swole MMA dudes, Struve is like the worst possible choice.
Okay, Roy Nelson is probably the worst.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
like you’re looking at his face anyway. :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Do you know what team that is Maddz?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Garabedian
However, he fell to the Yankees in the 7th round of that 2004 draft, and decided to attend the University of Miami rather than turning pro. After hitting .255 with the Hurricanes during his freshman season, he actually decided to transfer to the College of Charleston.
I doubt he ‘chose’. More like the staff at Miami told him his scholarship was yanked.
lul
Billz Hatin’ Ex just jumped on gchat to talk to me because he had to fly from Theramore to Darnassus. He’s a druid. And a moron, apparently.
No Moonglade, no porting from Stormwind or IF…C’MON BRO, GET SRS
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
The first sentence utterly confused me
then I read the second one and was like “Oh….warcraft….right…”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
You just know it’s bad when you have someone like me, who hasn’t played in 2 years, remembering shortcuts and telling them for someone who is a GM. Just saying.
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
ha ha, yeah
i don’t play at all. I just read Moonglade and remembered that you said you played. connected the dots.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
by the way Maddz
what it the cheapest price I could get for a flight to Tennessee…in case I want to see the Lookouts play next season?
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 28, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
you would probably have to fly into ATL first…doesn’t appear to be direct flights between LA and Chattanooga. However, it might be cheaper to fly into Nashville and then rent a car to drive to Chattanooga, which is supposedly only a few hours away.
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
yup
like $100 or so cheaper, and then you could totally spend time in Nashville, which is fun. Chat is like 2 hours away, so comparable to going to SD I guess?
And if you come and see the Lookouts, I am going with you.
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
yeah for sure you'd come
i’d be cool to go out there this summer, and luckily i’ve got a long time to plan it
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 28, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Or just fly into Atlanta direct and drive to Chatanooga? Google maps says its only 2 hours from ATL to Chatanooga.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, it’s in the middle. :)
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
by the waterfall?
(get that reference)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
:(
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
(psst….pagemaster)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
has anyone seen "The Other Guys"
with Mark Walberg & Will Ferrell? I loved the TLC references by Michael Keaton.
I’m a peacock captain you gotta let me fly on this one!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I've flown into
Atlanta and driven to Nashville and stopped by Chattanooga on the way. It is a beautiful drive in the fall and Lookout Mountain in Chattanooga is kind of cool. Many Civil War soldiers died for the top of that mountain.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
why would he go back to darnassus?
all the action is in stormwind
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Dan Syzmborski was nice enough to tell me that out of the thousands of players that have played big league baseball, there are 34 players more like Matt Kemp than Juan Encarnacion.
Sometimes we say terrible things in anger.
@andrewngrant
Unless
of course many of those 34 players were worse then Juan Encarnacion
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
At least his top three of Adam Jones, Reggie Sanders, and Marlon Byrd is pretty nice.
Maybe Kemp’s gonna go on the Reggie Sanders be good every other year plan.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Adam Jones fans have as many worries as Dodger fans do regarding Matt Kemp. He’s not exactly a franchise player, he’s a good player but he’s not going to be a game changer. Marlon Byrd was cat bait until he turned 29, not something Dodger fans want to wait on. Reggie Sanders would be nice but I hopefully Kemp will have more power in his 20’s then Reggie did.
I want more from Kemp then that.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Better than Juan Encarnacion.
Actually Kemp pulling a Marlon Byrd would be really freaking annoying.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Right
but even that is nothing special, since they made him a full time player he’s headed back to mediocrity since he can’t just beat up on LHP. I really do not know why guys like him get at bats against RHP.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Because he’s at worst the Cubs 3rd best player.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
I really think you guys should adopt my approach
by having rediculously high expectations of Kemp….I’m still sitting of the 30/30 bandwagon…please take a seat up front seems like all of the passengers got off in July of 2010.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Okay
I was shocked to find out that NO player since 1958 who has been in the 30/30 club had an OPS+ less then 104. I was going to say just because he made the 30/30 club would not make him a good player, but I’m clearly wrong.
Though if he becomes Preston Wilson I don’t think any of us would be to pleased.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
I have zero recollection of Jeff Bagwell stealing so many bases
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
It always come back to Jeff Bagwell being the man.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
he gets my vote
can the B and B boys go in at the same time?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I’d be willing to wait for that, but if people can’t see Bagwell as a slam dunk Hall of Famer, would they see Biggio as one?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Biggio
Has one of the golden tickets to the HOF, 3000+ hits
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 10:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
We need to sign Johnny Damon to keep his ride to the Hall alive.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
My expectations of Kemp are now that Matt will be Matt.
The league has made their adjustments on him and now it’s time for Kemp to respond. Banging out HR’s at the end of the season when nothing is on the line for either team is nice.
What can he do consistently?
Is the ‘Lamar Odom Syndrome’ in play with Kemp? That is Kemp looks so good that people set high expectations for him, but they are not expectaions Kemp has set for himself?
Not down on Kemp, just expecting more of the same as we have seen last year.
Nothing wrong with a CF who plays good defense, hits .250 with 28 HR’s.
Will be pleasantly surprised if he goes .300 BA and 30/30 in 2011.
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I was once a fan of Preston Wilson
Due to living in S. Florida and really thought he would become the real deal, I would certainly be heart broken if Kemp went that route :(
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I can still remember Rob Neyer calling Sammy Sosa “Sammy So So” somewhere around 1997, which was after his 30-30 seasons, and before he started juicing working with current Dodger hitting coach Jeff Pentland.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
.309 on base, the burn works!
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I think he will have a nice year, but not how you think
My guess is he hits .275/.335/.515 with 35 homeruns and only 15 stolen bases.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I can’t see Kemp putting up a line like that.
Kemp’s ZIPS line was .271/.327/.458, with 28 doubles and 23 HR. If we keep Kemp’s BA and OBP numbers the same — correct me if I’m wrong, but that basically means you gotta take 8 or 10 or 12 of those doubles and turn them into homers.
I dunno. I just can’t see Kemp hitting 35 HR and 20 doubles to put up a line like you indicate.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Just to complete the thought — I think that if Kemp hits 35 home runs, it will be by turning fly ball outs into home runs, which will push up his BA and OBP numbers.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
aren't homeruns
not reflected in OBP? Or am I wrong?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. That’s my point: I think that if Kemp hits 35 HR, his OBP will be a lot higher than .327 or .335.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, I think I misread you. HR ARE reflected in OBP, if that’s what you’re asking. They are not reflected in BABIP, which might be what you’re thinking of.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
yes
i think that is what i was thinking of, thanks Humma
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Playing devil's advocate
If Kemp simply turned seven more balls into home runs in 2010, giving him 35 HR, his triple slash line would have been .261/.320/.497.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Responding to the Devil:
1) .320 OBP isn’t .335. I know these are fudged numbers, but at a certain point, numbers aren’t in the same ballpark anymore — and 15 points of OBP is stretching it for me.
2) I daresay that if Kemp actually did that, it would be the most disappointing 35 HR season since Steve Balboni’s 1985 campaign.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
I must ask why
You feel the need to find the season I made for Kemp so impossible? I realize he may not be the huge slugger we all expected 2 or 3 years ago, hell, even last year, but his homeruns are going up each year, and he hasn’t yet reached his prime yet, though it really should be in the next 3-5 years.
I know we can’t just have all optimists, but you seem very adamant about it.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I don’t mean to come off as adamant as I sound. I apologize for that.
I’ll admit that I’m letting emotion play a role. Frankly, I don’t want him to put up the season you suggest, because I think that kind of season won’t help the team. We have a lot of low-OBP, high-SLG guys already, and Kemp being one more — well, that disappoints me.
It’s not so much that I think it’s impossible — shoot, nothing’s impossible. I think it’s unlikely. You and I can agree that Kemp upping his power numbers is entirely possible, but I think it will be by turning outs into HR and you think he can incrementally increase power (doubles become HR, singles become doubles) while still making the same number of outs. Maybe you’re right, and Eric’s devil’s advocate shows that if things had worked out differently, to the tune of one fly ball a month, you would be right. But — frankly — Kemp didn’t turn those fly balls into outs, and Kemp also had a miserable season, and I think those things are related.
I’m tempted to say that even if Kemp had turned those seven fly balls into outs, his season would still be viewed as a bad one, but I don’t know if that’s true.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
You don't have to apologize
I just like to be optimistic more than I should be, but otherwise, I’d be looking forward to an 81-81 season, and who wants to look forward to that :)
You don’t believe a .515 slugging percentage with a slightly above average OBP will help the Dodgers? Especially after he did so badly last year? I respectfully disagree. I think the Dodgers would benefit more from Kemp having a higher SLG than a higher OBP, at say .360 with only a .475 SLG.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Well, I think that’s a good place to bring this to a close. I really don’t have any idea what to expect from Kemp, and because of that, I was wrong to get into this with you. I’m sorry about that.
I guess the point really is that none of us really know what to expect from him. Maybe the Dodger season has a lot of question marks, but that dude’s punctuation looms large over the entire team. I wonder if this is hyperbole: as goes Matt Kemp, so go the Dodgers?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
don't really think that's hyperbole at all
but I think Ethier and possibly Loney should be thrown in with him.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
For Loney
I think if he does bad it won’t hurt us, but if he does good it will be a surprise and really help. Kemp is a lynch pin to this offense, Loney really isn’t. Or shouldn’t be.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Well, sure -- "the core" --
But I mean specifically Kemp. I think we know what Ethier will do, within a certain window. He will be a mid-800s OPS player. Also, unless Loney finally becomes Mark Grace — and I’ve stopped holding my breath — we know what he’ll do, too. Kemp is the big question mark.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Nah man, don't be sorry, I was just looking for a good Kemp argument
I haven’t had one for a long time :)
I will say this, if Kemp has a great season the Dodgers will. If he doesn’t, we might see the same Dodgers that we saw in 2010.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Certainly agreed. Now if we can just agree on what defines a great season, we’ll be all set. :-)
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
I would say 90+ wins will be a great season
Ok, how about this for a statement:
If Kemp can OPS .875 or better the Dodgers will win 90 games or more.
:)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
optomism is about 100 times more fun then pessimism
in the long run imho
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
So I did the math
If Kemp were to have hit 7 more homeruns to get to 35, and 5 more doubles to get to 30, with all other numbers remaining the same, his triple slash line would have been:
.269/.328/.513
.006 points off in average, .007 points off in OBP, and .002 points off in SLG than my prediction. Of course like you said it’s just fudging with the numbers, but it comes very close, and all I had to do was change his numbers to the homeruns and doubles I predicted.
Go Kemp! lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
He will hit 35 homeruns and 30 doubles
I am not taking ZIPS prediction as my own. That is why his slugging percentage will be so high because he will have 65 extra base hits, but it wont be extremely high because his average will only be in the .270s.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Sorry, I’m still not buying. It’s not 65 XBH, it’s 75, when you count the triples he’ll leg out. You are suggesting that he’ll have nearly as many XBH as singles, and I don’t see that happening.
Look, he can and he might have a breakout power year, but I can’t see that breakout power year coming and still make all those fly ball outs. I think he’ll either be a great player, or he won’t.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
You think he will get 10 triples?
Well, he actually had 5, 7, and 6 the last 3 years, so maybe he can.
Last year Kemp had 59 extra base hits. 2 years ago he had 58. 3 years ago he had 61. Getting another 10 to put him around 70 (with the addition of triples into, i hadn’t factored that in) would most definitely put his numbers up to an area close to the numbers I put him at. I don’t think you realized how many extra base hits he had the last 3 years, and I know I didn’t, and it was more than I thought, putting him closer to that goal that you thought.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I knew I could count on you Maddz
No Rhianna = Huge Jump in Offensive Output
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Hmmm yes because Matt Kemp was sleeping with someone whose name you’ve heard before he sucked please explain more
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
who was he sleeping with before?
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
anybody he wanted
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
I was having a drink with Kemp his rookie year in Vero
and every girl in the club was jocking him. He seemed uninterested in all of the attention.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
When something happens to you all the time, it loses its novelty.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I could
Be wrong and I don’t know Florida’s drinking age but I believe Kemp didn’t turn 21 until after he finished playing in Vero Beach.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 10:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Could have been Spring Training.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
also, clubs/bars have been known to let in people underage when they’re celebs
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
I was gonna say how could you say no to a starting center fielder for a low A baseball team. Then I realized, yeah, that’s probably the closest thing to a celeb you’re gonna see in Vero.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Given the chance, I think I would holler at Kemp just to say I did it. I mean, that would be awesome. “Oh man, I saw Matt Kemp at a club, and I totally said hello, and he TOTALLY IGNORED ME! WHAT UP!”
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
One of my buddies favorite memories is when he bought Manny a drink and Manny didn’t touch it.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
ooohhh burn Regfairfield
I dunno you’d be surprised at a lot of the celebrities I’ve met…..most of them have been baseball related though
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
He wasn't underage I promise
I wouldn’t have brought it up if he was
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
He was already a rookie
it was after him and Kent made up LOL
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
It was in Springtraining at a joint called the Clubhouse
He also had dinner with his parents at my Dad’s restaurant. We had a nice little conversation about tattoos and the message it sends to little kids. His parents were voicing their qualms with it and he wasn’t too pleased that I sided with them.
I quickly rebounded by saying “Dude you’re going to be on posters and stuff”
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Max Kellerman
Is now on the air.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 10:05 AM PST via mobile reply actions
and now
A Martinez is a pseudo co-host
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 10:11 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I wasn’t going to listen before I knew this anyway, but now you have sealed it.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Kellerman's first rant
Was how the Staples crowd was not as supportive as he would have liked on Christmas Day.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 10:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
they might have cared more
if the lakers didnt take a dump on the court in the first quarter.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 28, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
When you pay
$400 – $1500 for a ticket you want the team to wow you, don’t you?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
The Lakers have horrible fans
This is a fact.
{ducks}
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
perfume is always problematic
I can’t tell if I smell good, smell ridiculous, or smell like a stripper.
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
There is no way you could convince me that smelling like a stripper is preferable.
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
Unless I was stripping.
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
If you
Are close enough to a stripper to smell her perfume, she is no longer just a stripper
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 10:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
She's now a lap dancer
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Alas, those nuances are lost on me, I’ve only been to a strip club once.
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
We are tied
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
ya both got me beat.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
don’t worry. all the strippers i know say that the Cabaret on the LB Wilmington border is the best around. It could be part of your anti-south bay tour.
as a stripper? or as a regular person?
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
So TBLA would like me to wear glitter and heels. Should I sign up for S Factor workouts as well?
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
You mean 20 year old Maddz?
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
My main goal as a Father
Make sure I keep her off the pole, if so I’ve done my duty J/K
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Over on SBN Los Angeles
I picked Clayton Kershaw’s first shutout as the Dodger game of the year. It wasn’t even Kershaw’s best start of the year, but it combined everything that made the 2010 Dodgers: good starting pitching, shitty offense (they had one hit).
Was your favorite Kershaw start the Ubaldo win? The one when there was like one ball hit out of the infield?
by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
To me, that was easily his best start and it had the matchup with Ubaldo too. The game against Zito and the Giants was good too, when the Dodgers trailed 1-0 int he eighth and Manny hit a two-run homer to take the lead.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I loved the Cubs start when he went 8 IP with 12 Ks. Furcal, I believe, gave us the lead late.
by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
That was one of three games I paid for a ticket this year, although I never made it to the game. Was listening in the car
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Saw
Both of those games from my seatsom the Reserved section
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 10:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I was at Ely’s second start. That was pretty good. I guess.
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
Pre-restraining order, obviously. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was also at the Ubaldo game. The thing I had forgotten that I looked up a while back was that this game directly followed the Haeger blowup, when he did not record an out. (I did not see that game; I was on a date with the Bride.) I certainly had high expectations for that game, but Kershaw exceeded them all.
I know it was a disappointing year, but the Ubaldo game was my choice for the year’s best.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
The game against Zito was also following a disaster game, a 9-0 loss in April against Lincecum.
The Dodgers lost four Saturday games by eight or more runs (three to Colorado, one to SF), and won the following day in a start by Kershaw. The only one of those four starts that Kershaw didn’t pitch well was on September 19, when Tulo was still red hot, and the Dodgers somehow came back and won in extra innings, which stopped the Rockies winning streak and started them losing 13 of their final 14.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
The Dodgers lost four Saturday games by eight or more runs (three to Colorado, one to SF), and won the following day in a start by Kershaw.
May I put that more succinctly?
KERSHAW IS AN ACE.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
In those four games
Kershaw got two of the wins. He allowed nine runs (seven earned) in 24 innings (2.63 ERA), walking 15 and striking out 29.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
So basically
Kershaw is the freaking man.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Pretty much
He had a streak of 29 straight scoreless innings at Dodger Stadium against the Rockies going into the September 19 game, but he got roughed up for three runs in each of the first two innings.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
After that may 5th or 6th start (maybe the 4th? Idk, lol), he just flat out dominated. Take that one start out and he could have been in the Cy Young discussions (though only possibly for a 3rd place vote).
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
~3.20 FIP, in case anyone was wondering.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
i was there!
swesoke game. Coming back from throwing 30 pitches and loading the bases in the first inning to just shutting them down and matching Ubaldo 0 for 0.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
i know...it's been keeping me awake at night as to where I'd rank him
What I’ll probably end up doing is writing an additional post after I complete this series saying approximately where all the new minor league players that we acquired/signed since I first started the series would fit into my rankings
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 28, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of Mulligans
at least the Dodgers have never made these trades. Since 2004 the Mariners have made the following trades. Yikes
January 8, 2004: Carlos Guillen traded by the Seattle Mariners to the Detroit Tigers for Juan Gonzalez (minors) and Ramon Santiago.
Traded Ben Davis and Freddy Garcia to the Chicago White Sox. Received Mike Morse, Miguel Olivo and Jeremy Reed.
Traded Yorvit Torrealba to the Colorado Rockies. Received Marcos Carvajal.
Traded Asdrubal Cabrera to the Cleveland Indians. Received Eduardo Perez.
Traded a player to be named later and Shin-Soo Choo to the Cleveland Indians. Received Ben Broussard and cash. The Seattle Mariners sent Shawn Nottingham (minors) (August 24, 2006) to the Cleveland Indians to complete the trade.
Traded Jamie Moyer to the Philadelphia Phillies. Received Andrew Barb (minors) and Andy Baldwin (minors).
Traded Rafael Soriano to the Atlanta Braves. Received Horacio Ramirez.
Traded Tony Butler (minors), Adam Jones, Kameron Mickolio, George Sherrill and Chris Tillman to the Baltimore Orioles. Received Erik Bedard.
Traded Mike Morse to the Washington Nationals. Received Ryan Langerhans.
You’d think that with the repeated excellent deals the Indians have made with the Mariners and Dodgers they wouldn’t suck so much.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Bill Bavasi.
He has to be the only GM in history to have, and this is without exaggeration, never won a trade.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I went through
every trade from 2000 on, and I think you are right. One thing to never win but he never even broke even, who the hell were his scouts and are anyone of them still employed?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Bavasi ignored the advice of his scouts, for reals.
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
He couldn't even break even on the little trades
like Mike Morse for Ryan Langerhans.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
It’s amazing, you think he’d get lucky on one of them.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, found one: 7/27/1995 A bunch of nothing including McKay Christiansen for Jim Abbott.
If you ignore that in 1996 Abbott went 2-18.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Ooooh, nothing for Phil Nevin.
Two years later he trades Phil Nevin for nothing.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Nevin while with the Angels had one of the worst injuries ever, taking a ball off the junk while catching. He was wearing a cup, but it provided little to no support.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Polyester cups never caught on with catchers after that
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
This really is amazing, even when he does something like trade nothing for Rickey, Rickey ends up shitting the bed.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Ned had more luck
with the Johnny Nunez for Marlon Anderson then Bavasi had in his whole long history of trading. Is this Karma at work? Did baby Bavasi do something tragically wrong at some point in his life?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
A freind of mine was a long time scout for the Mariners. When Bavasi hired Dan Evans, my friend was assigned the task of teaching Evans the nuances of scouting players. After the tutorial, my friend was then reporting to Evans.
This reminded me of the scene from ‘Saving Private Ryan’ when the German soldier was captured and they forced him to dig his own grave. Today my friend is still a scout (with the Twins) and Evans is now an agent.
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Seems normal
new management many times need to be taught by their future subordinates.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Heh
Bavasi – Hey Dan, wadda think about this player?
Evans – Blah, blah, blah.
{what does he want to hear?}
Bavasi – Great.
{Had my mind set before you opened your mouth anyway – you know nothing}
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
It was weird that the President and CEO were both seen holding shovels.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Every time I start to feel ill will towards Ned
I will remember that it could have been worse.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
What's Bedard up to these days?
Weren’t some lobbying to get him at some point?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Re-signed with the Mariners.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
he was re-signed by the Mariners
he didn’t pitch at all last year IIRC
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
anybody think the Rangers made a bad call on Webb?
Worst case scenario they are out $3M, I still think he’ll be a shell of his former self
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
high risk, high reward
if he can get some of his former self back he could be a solid addition.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
I liked the ERA he maintained after a 1000+ IP from 2003-2008
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
And right now their rotation contains Tommy Hunter (who sucks) and Scott Feldman (who also sucks), if Brandon Webb sucks, then it’s not like he’s replacing anyone worth while.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I know right
That’s why I was blown away they made it to the WS…..oh yeah there’s that guy Cliff Lee.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Hopefully
Holland steps up and they give Feliz a shot at starting.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Holland should be in the rotation day one, but I’ve got a feeling Neftali is closer for life.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I believe I heard Daniels say that
Feliz was going to eventually get a shot a starting again.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
And now
Jim Lampley is on the air with Kellerman, talking Charger football.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 10:39 AM PST via mobile reply actions
and
Now we are talking HBO boxing
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 10:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
As someone who likes boxing
I enjoy hearing Kellerman talk about boxing. He knows his stuff and is passionate about it.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
So he and Lampley should be a good match on this subject?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
I remember back when Kellerman hosted Around the Horn. He never did much for me, but one day the PTI guys brought in Kellerman for the “5 good minutes” segment. It was completely about boxing particularly about some fight recently where one of the boxers got screwed in the decision. Kellerman was awesome. So comfortable and the PTI guys just shut up and let him do his thing.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I am a fan of Kellerman on boxing, but for comedic reasons I love Larry Merchant, so I am torn.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
I don't mind the boxing talk
And I like Jim Lampley (was a big fan of his local radio talk show back in the day), just wondering what Kellerman brings to the LA market.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
He is considered a sabremetrics guy. Perhaps he’ll dig in during baseball season.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Lampley might have been the only local radio talk show person I’ve really liked to listen to.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osnUB9bUm-E
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Ha!
That was cool.
I was talking more about this, though.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I used to be obsessed with boxing
until I decided Fernando Vargas was my favorite, then paid $50 for his PPV fight with DeLaHoya in college and lost. Worst $50 spent EVER (comic book guy from the Simpsons)
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
He is no Larry Merchant.
Loved the way he could not handle the way Mosely crashed Floyd’s post fight interview early this year, started sweating and threw it back to Lamps. That was about to be the greatest moment on TV and he shit himself.
Larry Merchant reminds me of Harry Carey after the 5th inning
too soon?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Jebus, i just took a walk through the last thread
only to discover at the end it’s a ghost town. To recap:
@Joey Joe – you just lost all my respect (preferring She’s out of my league to Up in the air)
@TommyBlackjack my brother got Epic Mickey for christmas, it looks, dare I say, epic
@DodgerBlueBalls Someone has to support the fringe sports, like the NFL circa 1955 re:Says the soccer fan re:nobody watches soccer in America
@underdog oh that’s right, you’re a sharks fan. that’s why alex was loving it and you have a sad. cause you like evil or whatever. man i completely misread that.
The little I've gotten to play Epic Mickey
it is quite fun.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
what I like most about it is you can watch old cartoons. I’m a bit against this trend of Wii releasing side scroller games with characters two pixels tall
by Josie Becker on Dec 28, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone think it's likely
something big in MLB happens before the new year?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 11:00 AM PST reply actions
like Albert Pujols turns out to be a robot, something like that?
by Josie Becker on Dec 28, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
that would be pretty big
i was more talking about a signing or a trade.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
No
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Are Adam LaRoche and Derrek Lee still available?
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
yes
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Both trying to become the Oriole 1st baseman
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
318’ to the RF foul pole, 373’ to right center on a hot humid summer night in Oriole Park …
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
news wise
I feel like we’re screwed until February. Only thing going on until then will be relievers signing various 1 year deals aside from guys like Soriano..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 28, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Dodgers4life would like us to sign a left fielder.
but Humma doesn’t want to talk about it anymore.
I’m torn
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Dodgers swing a deal with a team like the Rangers that is desperate for pitcheing for an OF?
Demand for pitching is enhanced as rotation candidates on already pitching thin teams come up lame?
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Murphy works for me but since 4/6 of our rotation is unable to be traded due to the fact they were recent FA signings, I don’t see a match. Unless Texas wants to give us Billingsley for Hamilton
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Could other teams come into play as unforseen events take place toward the 3rd week of March?
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
sorry, i'm blanking
Murphy?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
David
as in, once traded for Eric Gagne
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
gotcha
I remember him now, had a couple of big HRs versus the Rays in the ALDS IIRC
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
I am guessing with the roster spot now open
the Dodgers will either go into in ST with the two position spots open and a battle for the last spot in the pen.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Pujols to the Dodgers...
For player to be named later…
Chad Billingsley: The Man With the Golden Thighs
one of my favorite ESPN commercials
I like the Josh Hamilton one….where the guy types faster because of the bat donut
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Why is Phil Jackson like Sugar Ray Robinson?
I don’t know, but Max Kellerman is about to tell us.
Pound for pound
he is the best coach of all time.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Current NL West Starting pitching rotations
Dodgers – Kershaw, Billingsley, Lilly, Kuroda, Garland
Giants – Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgartner, Zito
Rockies – Jiminez, Chacin, De La Rosa, Hammel, Cook
Padres – Latos, Richard, Harang, Stauffer, LeBlanc
Diamondbacks – Saunders, Kennedy, Hudson, Duke, Enright
Certainly the biggest changes in the last 3 years is no longer having Jake Peavy, Brandon Webb and Dan Haren to pitch maybe 12-15 times against you that season. It will be interesting to see if Harang can have bounce back year in San Diego (he should pitch better in Petco)
Those top two rotations
look very nice. Bit of a drop off after that, but still solid all the way around.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I think you might be underestimating Coors Field, or at least the Rockies rotation.
ZiPS projects the Dodgers starting five for a 116 ERA+, the Rockies at 121. I’m guessing the Giants five will project ahead of both our teams, but they don’t have a #6.
For my part, I think I was underestimating how well rounded the Dodgers offense still is. Regardless, it looks like a three team race to me next season. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dodgers, Giants or Rockies won.
I guess you can call every hitter in the lineup being bad “balance”
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
are they really bad though?
i mean one terrible year and all of sudden we can’t hit?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Also Casey Blake getting old, Orlando Hudson turning into Juan Uribe, Manny turning into Scotty Pods in the best case scenario and Rafael Furcal playing in a year divisible by two.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
And Rod Barajas being the best catcher on the team.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
History has shown Ethier, Kemp, and Loney will perform better at the plate with a Big Bat included with them in the lineup?
Big Bat, Who are you? Where are you? Are you?
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Loney has pretty much been a metronome for three straight years, whether Manny was in the lineup or not. I don’t expect his performance to vary much one way or another.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
True, till the second half of last season.
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
valid points all
but you said all. I’m sure it was hyperbole, but as has been stated before, none of those guys are the ones we’re relying on to be the main offensive force. Kemp, Ethier, and to a lesser extent Loney are the guys who have to be the force. Now I know that discourages a lot of people, but we have 09 for a positive outlook, as opposed to ’10.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
On offense, roughly
Realistically, the Dodgers will probably be below average at 1B, 3B, LF, and C (could be that Barajas/Navarro could be deemed average if things break right)
They will be averagish at 2B, and above average at RF, CF, and SS.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
You of all people should know the Javier Vazquez effect is 100% accurate :)
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
There’s some guys that are good every other year. History shows us that Furcal is gonna be healthy and suck this year.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Ahhhh
Gotcha.
I’m old school, and would have went Bret Saberhagen with that one. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
maybe I should clarify and say that I was probably not expecting the Rockies
to have four of eight starters below a 100 OPS+ projection. At least the Dodgers have five of eight over that. So if you guys are bad, we’re potentially a little worse.
For the most part those are slug heavy OPS+s, and there’s really no difference between a bunch of guys at 101 OPS+ instead of 99.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Like I’d rather have Dexter Fowlers 97 OPS+ instead of Loney’s 101.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have Loney's 104 than Helton's 93
Or Jose Lopez’s. I think both teams’ lineups are similar in that (assuming that Kemp bounces back ahead of his projection) that they have two star players leading the way, four more or less average guys and then two projected deadweights. I think one of the keys this season will be who gets the most from their players in the middle, if Loney has a career year in his age 27 season or if Fowler breaks out, it might provide whatever separation we’ll see at the end.
That said, I’m guessing it’s mainly going to come down to who stays healthiest again. The Giants won that game (at least as far as their rotation) last year.
The NL West: No, my team sucks more.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
If you’re assuming Kemp bounces back and Loney does anything, sure I can see the comparison, but I think a more realistic scenario has 1B, 3B, C and LF as problems for the Dodgers, while I think the Rockies might only be carrying dead weight at 1B.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
From Yahoo:
Last year, the Dodgers thought at least one, maybe two, and perhaps all three from a trio of Scott Elbert(notes), Josh Lindblom(notes) and James McDonald(notes) would contribute in the majors. All three took steps backward, and McDonald was sent to the Pirates in the Octavio Dotel(notes) trade, which doesn’t look very favorable.
Really?!? That last sentence really knocked me on my ass.
tell Yahoo
we already filed that piece of information under “Shit we already know.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
99.9% of baseball fans outside of LA are saying who the fuck is James McDonald.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
The youngest son and future heir
to the McDonalds hamburger fortune?
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
99% of baseball fans in LA are saying who the fuck is James Zell McDonald?
by Tripon on Dec 28, 2010 2:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Despite that last sentence
overall its a fair assessment of the lack of progression by any Dodger pitching prospect above A ball, you could maybe point to Ruddy but he only has 2010 to show for himself.
Yeah but mcdonald and elbert didn’t get muvh of a chance. One bad outong and you’re replaced by Monk?
by Tripon on Dec 28, 2010 2:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t lump Elbert in there. He sucked in the minors for most of the year, when he was playing.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
I saw an interesting payroll chart by Biz of Baseball
I think I will do a quick fan shot/post on it.
One note, in the seven seasons that McCourt and Moreno have owned the Dodgers and Angels, the Angels have had the higher payroll in 4 of those years. Moreno has spent more on payroll but they were both about the same going into the 2010 season, that is where Moreno has taken the lead.
Right
He’s spot on with McDonald though, and his success in PIT doesn’t make it look like a regression in ability as opposed to the organization missing the mark when evaluating him.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
MLBTR looks at the possibility of Troy Glaus on the Dodgers.
The Dodgers occasionally used Ronnie Belliard at first base last year. He’s gone, so the Dodgers could use a right handed hitter to complement James Loney, who has hit just .261/.321/.381 against lefties in his career. Marcus Thames may be a better fit for the Dodgers, since he can also play left field, but Glaus makes some sense if his price drops enough.
I don’t seem them platooning Loney.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 2:13 PM PST reply actions
Jones has a better chance of playing on, given his age and health?
A no power Manny who can not run does not have much to offer anyone.
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
They might be the one of the few organizations that can figure out a way to get these guys back on the juice and back on their way to being productive once again?
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Offense
Looking at 2009, during Manny’s 50-game suspension, the Dodgers hit .265/.333/.385 as a team (~96 OPS+), but averaged 4.4 runs per game.
Contrast that to 2010, when the Dodgers for a full season hit .252/.322/.379 as a team (93 OPS+), and averaged 4.12 runs per game.
I have to think the 2011 offense, as currently constructed, perhaps with a part-time righty outfield bat added, will fall somewhere in between those two. If, by chance, the Dodgers do score 4.4 runs per game in 2011, that will be 713 runs on the season, 46 more than in 2010.
If they somehow score 713 runs, to get a pythagorean record of 90-72, they would have to allow 630 runs, or 62 fewer than in 2010.
Monasterios made 13 starts and allowed 35 ER in those starts. Ely made 18 starts and allowed 61 ER. Kuroda is back, and replacing Padilla with Garland is probably about a wash, maybe a small improvement. The bulk of the runs savings will have to come from replacing Monk/Ely with Lilly. That will be a lot of runs, but not 62.
It cannot be underestimated the role of Randy Wolf on the 2009 staff. Do you think Lilly can deliver a Wolf-ca-2009 performance? Maybe he can.
Look, I know I’m back to being negative, which I said I’d try to curb. So here comes the positive — even though Eric has outlined a very best case scenario, it’s certainly possible that things can work out that way. Sure, everything, everything, everything has to go right, but that can happen.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
heh
Now don’t go getting into reality now, wait till the season is under way!
Please, let us golry in these innocent hot stove times!
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
i keep seeing that the chargers have the number 1 rated defense
but i just don’t get it. it seems like they got blown up quite a bit this year, and even in some wins gave up a lot of points. but it must have something to do with their special teams sucking. i am just tired of hearing these excuses for the chargers. maybe they just aren’t that good and pundits need to accept that.
also in the games where their defense was good,
it was against kinda shitass offensive teams.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 28, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
San Dee A Go Chargers!
San Dee A Go Super Chargers!
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Those rankings are based on yards per game (for and against)
The Chargers will be ranked 2nd in both stats after tonight’s game. They are the only team to be ranked in the Top 5 in both categories, the only other team that will be in the Top 10 in both categories after tonight’s game is New Orleans.
ok, so then why so many points given up?
or is nfl defense down all around this year?
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 28, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
They were 8th in points per game. Fourth through 11th are kind of bunched up.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
I believe at the current pace this season will be the highest scoring NFL season on record.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Hi friends, come on down to Jacoby Ford where price is just a concept.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
by mleadman on Dec 28, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
a bunch of those points were special teams related
by Josie Becker on Dec 28, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Official stats
Opponents have 4 return TDs and 2 defensive scores, the Chargers had 3 defensive scores.
Starting in a few minutes
and through Saturday night, there will 19 Bowl games, 2 on broadcast television, the other 17 on ESPN, ESPN2 or ESPNU.
the fact that the Rose Bowl is on ESPN really bothers me, deep down
by Josie Becker on Dec 28, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
So GScott and I are cruisin' the Valley, nbd
And we decided that 4down’s name should be 4play…cos he’s sexually frustrated. You’re welcome.
"I am slain. What mischance ever brought me to this dismal world, where bags of paint would spell my doom?" - Major Wes Jansen
by Maddz on Dec 28, 2010 4:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Wouldn’t noplay be more appropriate?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
It puts a smile on my face to know I'm talked about when people are just hanging out :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Brady would probably try to find a way
not to play.
I tend to think for some or a lot of those guys, its a nuisance to play in that game.
Can’t blame them. Football is too violent to risk your career in an exhibition game.
If you get permanently injured in a regular season or playoff game it’s unfortunate but part of the game, if you do it in an exhibition game its stupidity.
One of these days somebody’s career will end in the pro bowl, and they’ll stop playing the game.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Messy departure
Bobby Jenks, on Ozzie Guillen:
"With the way Ozzie was talking this winter and the way he treated me, I don’t want to fight with the guy. How many times did he question my ability, and then saying how he would love to have me back, but I would have to come to Spring Training and fight for the closer’s role like anyone else? “Why would I come back to that negativity?” Jenks said. “I’m looking forward to playing for a manager who knows how to run a bullpen.”
Ozzie’s son Oney, retorting:
i thought u were a man not some punk who runs away and talks bullshit. u coward. say it to there face when u were with them
and u say the manager didnt trust u? he kept putting ur fat ass there and u kept blowing it, he never took u away from that role unreal
one little story remember when u couldnt handle ur drinking and u hit a poor arizona clubby in the face i do. and later u covered it with
Yup, that's messy
I like the indignation from Jenks that he wouldn’t simply be handed the closers job.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
What kind of name is Oney?
It would be an awesome name only if Oney was Olney’s son
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Did anyone see the LAT article
that talks about the Hu trade? It also says that three Dodger vice-presidents were let go.
The executives let go include Ray Maytorena, a former Secret Service agent hired as head of security two years ago. The Dodgers had expanded Maytorena’s duties last season to include oversight of ushers, ticket takers and parking attendants.
The Dodgers also cut ties with Steve Spartin, who was in charge of developing corporate partnerships, and Joe Walsh, who oversaw human resources and fan service initiatives.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 4:22 PM PST reply actions
Am I missing something? Are these guys getting fired noteworthy?
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
It does tend to get reported
I would suggest someone on the site contact Josh R after the holiday to inquire about who and what they are doing re fan services and security going forward.
That will be a non-starter, and would also require the writer of said story to care about those moves.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
I will say that as a season ticket holder
I am generally concerned about fan services and security issues.
Q: Will you have someone in charge of fan services and stadium security in 2011
A: Yes
And, scene.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Alternatively it could also go
Q: Will you have someone in charge of fan services and stadium security in 2011?
A: What the cuss is wrong with you?
by Josie Becker on Dec 28, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
From BTF.
19. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 28, 2010 at 11:26 AM (#3718863)
I was curious about Sands too … curious about his glove. The little bit I’ve seen of him he looked a lot better than what you read in BA, etc… – I think he’s just fine in RF.
Sands is from this area (Clayton) and some of the things I’ve heard from the locals imply that the Dodgers’ minor league people and Sands don’t always see eye-to-eye on his development path. It’s possible that some of that has filtered out into the public. Granted that he was a 25th rounder, but the Dodgers have been moving him very slowly; they left him in low-A to start 2010 for no obvious reason (it’s not as though they had any great OF prospects in the Cal League last year) and waited until he had half a season of tearing up the MWL to move him up to AA.
— MWE
For one thing
Watson said that he doesn’t see a lot of difference between the two leagues (Midwest and Cal) and both college outfielders were brought up to AA for the second half of the season.
Since I've heard many people make the comment "Jon Heyman is a shill for Scott Boras"
here’s something for the file. Heyman was just on Hot Stove saying that their could be a “Mystery team” in on Beltre.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 4:34 PM PST reply actions
I don’t remember mystery team before this offseason. Did enough people start calling out Heyman et al on their crap that they invented mystery team so they can never be wrong?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
We need to start hearing that teams
are going after mystery players.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Also
writers are going to wrong almost every time when it comes to these stories, that is why you have to view them with skeptical eye.
“– Multiple sources close to Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated say that there is a mystery team in on Lee. The team is not the Phillies.”
He found the perfect cover and still managed to screw it up.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Why don’t you tell me ‘bout the mystery team?
I wanna know about the mystery team.
Why don’t you show me,
‘cause I’ve tried and I’ve tried,
and I’m still mystified.
I can’t do it anymore and I’m not satisfied.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
by mleadman on Dec 28, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Team I ride, sixteen seasons long
Team I ride, sixteen seasons long
Well, that big market team, got my free agent and gone
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Heyman also said
“mystery team” may have a third baseman they are looking to move. now that’s covering the bases
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Its the Yankees, and they’re going to move A-Rod to left field.
by Tripon on Dec 28, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It would be funny
if mystery team meant Boras didn’t know what team it was.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
by mleadman on Dec 28, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Heard this, Heyman deserves a kick in the ass or a mystery body part.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
all three of these were hilarious
all rec’d
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Two comments on Kemp and Rihanna
KenLevine
Rihanna & Matt Kemp have split. Dodger reserve Xavier Paul sent in in his place.
btimmer (12/28/2010 at 10:42 AM) Report Violation
I guess for Kemp, Rihanna just wasn’t the only girl in the world.
Raider Fans, feeling you
AndrewSiciliano
RT @PSchrags: Peyton Hillis and Darren Mcfadden each left off Pro Bowl roster. Can’t name two players w/greater impact on their offense.
I can’t believe Arian Foster isn’t starting for the AFC. He was the best RB in football this year…easily.
pro bowel is always a year behind
but he should be starting no doubt
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I’m not touching that typo.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 28, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
prime 9 most unusual feats
number 3, Tatis’s two grand slams off of Park.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 5:20 PM PST reply actions
Lakers and Spurs
First game in a while that I expect the Lakers to lose.
Bill Lajoie - 1984 Tigers GM
Plus, Ned’s former top advisor for the Dodgers (among other teams) passes away.
Three Time or more repeat championships
NFL – Green Bay 1965- 1967 (also won Super Bowl in 66 and 67)
MLB – New York Yankees (3x), Oakland A’s 1972-1974
NHL – New York Islanders 1980-1983, Montreal Canadians 1976-1979 (post-expansion)
NBA – Minneapolis Lakers 1952-1954, Boston Celtics 1959-1966, Chicago Bulls (2x), Los Angeles Lakers 2000-2002
You could probably reconsider at what point to count the Minneapolis Lakers and Boston Celtics due to league size but they were still larger than the NHL was until they expanded beyond the Original Six in the late 60s. Regardless Lakers are trying to do something that is rarely done.
what could he have gotten if he had?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
I listened to a bit of Max Kellerman today.
No idea why A. Martinez was hosting with him. Maybe Dave Denholm finally got fired for being horrible.
Denholm has been gone for a while
he was on a few days last week but he was calling in from Cleveland
Adrian Gonzalez on the NL West
“Where in the NL West you’re facing Ubaldo Jimenez, you’re facing [Tim] Lincecum, you’re facing [Matt] Cain, [Jonathan] Sanchez, Clayton Kershaw, Chad Billingsley, you name it. Every single team’s got guys. I guess the easiest team right now in the NL West is Arizona, and they’re a bunch of young guys that throw the ball well.’’
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/columns/story?columnist=edes_gordon&id=5951380
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
I guess he found out
what that means to him.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
just
a little bit
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Whats wrong with the Lakers?
Is it time to panic or are they just taking it easy in the regular season?
They started out great and are now 21-10.
Celtics, Heat, Spurs, Mavs all look noticeably better.
Maybe they’ll put it together closer to the playoffs.
You’d think a chance for a 3 peat would motivate them.
Give some Credit to the Spurs
they outplayed them in the second half. Lakers can’t find their shot right now and are in a slump because of it. The MIL loss and to some extent the Heat loss may have been due to taking it easy, but I think this one was just getting out of rhythm and losing the offense. It’s only December, so it’s far from panic time, but I do hope they turn it around soon.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Is it time to panic
Please remember that I know nothing about basketball, but in general, life, I have found this:
Now is always the time to panic.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
lol
KCAL 9 reports on the Kemp/Rihanna break-up, but basically just reports what US weekly said.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 8:57 PM PST reply actions
“The grass in center field at Chavez Ravine is sure to be brown this summer as Matt Kemp salts the earth with his copious tears over losing Rihanna.”
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
“Then he’ll remember he’s Matt fucking Kemp, and that if Brad Penny could swing Alyssa Milano and Eliza Dushku, he’ll have another starlet in no time.”
by EMDarrow on Dec 28, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
We now take you to Matt Kemp's condo
Where he enters “Katy Perry boobs” into google, then asks himself, "What’s Russell Brand got that I don’t got?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
heh
apparently he’s “tired of following her around the world like a puppy dog.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
I never really thought Kemp was famous or A list enough to date Rihanna.
He definitely outkicked his coverage.
Not that she’s so hot…bc she isnt…but more just the fame factor.
He could have been the next big thing
Young, good looking guy who looked like an up and coming star. Add in that that he’s from the glamorous Dodgers and it make sense.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
But why the fuck did Ethier not get someone famous?
He’s yummy.
Chad Billingsley: The Man With the Golden Thighs
married
for awhile now
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
yes
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
he met his wife
in college
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Good.
Kemp in 2011: .330/.415/.575
Ohh yeah, and 40/40. :)
Chad Billingsley: The Man With the Golden Thighs
by Corncake on Dec 28, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
love it
rec
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
OHH GOD!
NEVER. EVER. Put a Sweetart in a Dr. Pepper can.
Chad Billingsley: The Man With the Golden Thighs
That’s why we love you, Ornake.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Holy shit..
I just wondered what the hell would happen, like, Mentos or what, but SWEET JEEEZUZ! I just opened the can, popped in a purple one(bleah) and… Boom.
Chad Billingsley: The Man With the Golden Thighs
never put the contents of a Dr. Pepper can
in your mouth in the first place
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Don't.
Your stomach will explode.
You may read things to the contrary. You may even find medical research saying that your stomach won’t explode. Don’t believe it. If you drink that mother, your stomach will explode.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
The Sweetarts stopped foaming about 10 minutes ago.
Still shouldn’t?
Chad Billingsley: The Man With the Golden Thighs
It depends. Would you prefer to have your stomach outside your body? Got the number for the paramedics handy? Feel like cleaning stomach off of your walls and out of your carpet?
If the answer to any of these questions is “no,” then don’t drink it.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Insanity
I’m about to take a drink of Dr Pepper right….now.
God that was great!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
yin and yang clone
yin and yang
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
This would be so great if one of the reasons you said this was because you watch Psych, that would just give us more things in common to make us creepy and weird to the people in here, lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
ha, that would
but I don’t. I don’t watch a lot of tv shows…..
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
You are my opposite, aren't you :P
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
you're the clone pally-boy
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2010 6:23 AM PST up reply actions
I had a friend who reffed some high school games about three years ago, but that’s the closest I can get.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
thinking about doing it for extra money. I know the game very well. Baseball I am just a huge fan and played when I was a kid but that would be cool too if anyone is a baseball ump. it just seems daunting, like what do I do to get started. Baseball i think i’d really have to learn the rule book so I am being lazy in choosing soccer. plus i figure in soccer i will also jog a bit and help me stay/get into shape.
by Jason Ungar on Dec 28, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
A college friend of mine refs in nothern California for kids/ayso. Says the worst part about it is dealing with parents who he will red card with relish if they get out of hand.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 28, 2010 11:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, man — you have just inspired me to start carrying around yellow and red cards in my shirt pocket. I would whip those fuckers out all day long.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 28, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
more people would get it
if you carried around a yellow hankerchief tied off with some kind of weight.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2010 6:25 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe the will.
Basically, I just had the worst football weekend ever and it lasted all the way until Tuesday.
by Michael White on Dec 29, 2010 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
Mike Antonini scouting report
Pulled from the 2009 BA book:
“Feel for plus changeup”
“Fearless and crafty”
Upper 80s fastball, tops out at 90
“Ordinary” curveball
Projected as bullpen swing man
crafty Lefty
is better than crafty Righty
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2010 6:25 AM PST up reply actions
NPUT
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/12/29/1902178/matt-kemp-follow-up-projections-for-2010
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

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