Dodgers 200 Minor League Countdown: 180 - 171
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 7, 2010 1:00 PM PST
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While the Winter Meetings are in full swing, we've got some important business to take care of here at TBLA because here is the next part of my Dodger prospect countdown. Again another seemingly boring group, but you never know what can happen in the future. In addition, there are a few players with interesting backgrounds. Remember that the player’s ages are as of opening day 2011. 180. Leandro De Dios, RHP (40.2 IP in DSL in 2010) Signed by Dodgers in 2010 5’11”, 184 lbs, 21.75 years old 2-3, 2.66 ERA, 1.45 WHIP, 3.64 FIP, 7.97 K/9 Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A Leandro De Dios was born in the Dominican Republic, and signed with the Dodgers prior to the 2010 season. I’m not sure why he waited to sign until he turned 20 years old, but it definitely hurt him in prospect status. His 5’11” height also isn’t helping him in terms of his ranking. When you look past his age and height, however, De Dios actually had a very solid season for the Dominican Dodgers. He was especially effective in the first half of the season, when his 1.71 ERA earned him a spot on the DSL Mid-Season All Star Team. While he struggled a bit in the final month, opposing batters ended up hitting just .212 against him for the year. While the Dodgers will probably keep him around for another year, his great stats do not offset his age and stature enough for me to believe that he’ll ever make it to a US based league. 179. Webster Rivas, 1B/C (59 games in DSL in 2010) Signed by Dodgers in 2010 6’0”, 195 lbs, 20.5 years old, bats right handed .246 average, .662 OPS, 1 HR, 34 RBI’s, 3 SB’s Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A Webster Rivas, a Dominican native, was signed in 2010 and played his 1st professional season as a 19 year old. While he’s listed as a catcher and did make a few starts behind the plate, Webster was actually the Dominican Dodgers’ primary 1st baseman in 2010. Despite a .246 average for the season, I would say that he had a relatively strong offensive year given that the DSL is a pitcher friendly league. Rivas lead the Dodgers in both doubles and RBI’s, and was extremely tough to strikeout (just 12 K’s in 239 plate appearances). Nevertheless, he isn’t much of a prospect and will most likely repeat in the DSL in 2011.
178. Florencio Bustillos, RHP (Did not play in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2009
6’0”, 209 lbs, 21.75 years old
No stats in 2010
Pre 2010 Rank: 121; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Florencio Bustillos didn’t play at all for the Dodgers in 2010, however per the Dodgers he is still in the organization as of the end of this past season. The Mexican born pitcher spent several seasons in the Mexican League before signing with the Dodgers, and played in the Dominican Summer League in 2009. As mentioned, he didn’t play in 2010 for an unknown reason, but is currently playing in the Mexican Winter League so he is healthy. Unfortunately, his current stats in Mexico are pretty ugly, as he has a 12.00 ERA in 5 appearances. I gave Bustillos a relatively favorable ranking after the 2009 season because he had an outstanding strikeout to walk ratio, however since the 21 years old has yet to play in a leaguer higher than the DSL, I think it’s safe to say that Bustillos won’t even made an impact with the Dodgers.
177. Adam Dedeaux, LHP (10.2 IP in Arizona League in 2010)
Signed 7/1/10 as Non Drafted Free Agent
6’0”, 200 lbs, 24.75 years old
0-0, 4.22 ERA, 1.69 WHIP, 1.98 FIP, 14.3 K/9
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
The Dodgers signed Adam Dedeaux as a non drafted free agent out of the University of Southern California. Given that Dedeaux was used sparingly at USC and had a college career ERA above 6, it is possible that Dodgers signed Adam as a favor to his grandfather. You see, Dedeaux's grandfather and long-time USC baseball coach Rod Dedeaux was great friends with Tommy Lasorda before Rod passed away in 2006, so you can see the connection. Whether or not he was signed as a favor doesn’t change the fact that Adam is extremely old to be starting his professional career. In addition, the 24 year old pitched just 10.2 innings in the Arizona Rookie League. The only good news is that Dedeaux had solid peripherals in his limited appearances, and would have posted a much better ERA for the season had he not allowed 4 earned runs in his final appearance of 2010. Since he didn’t get much of a chance to pitch in 2010, I’m sure the Dodgers will give the lefty another look in 2011. His most likely destination next season would be with the Great Lakes Loons.
176. Delvis Morales, SS (65 games in DSL in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2010
6’1”, 146 lbs, 20.5 years old, switch hitter
.220 average, .583 OPS, 0 HR’s, 15 RBI’s, 18 SB’s
Pre 2010 Rank: 196; Pre 2009 Rank: 175
Delvis Morales got a little bit of a late start on his baseball career as he didn’t play his first professional game until he was 19 and a half years old. After seeing his stats in 2010, he is slightly intriguing because he is a switch hitting shortstop with good speed and a great eye (37 walks against 33 strikeouts), but the positives end there. He only hit .220 for the year and made 17 errors in the field. He also weighs less than Dee Gordon, which I thought was impossible. I think Morales will return to the DSL for 2011, but due to his age he doesn’t have any real value at this point.
175. Faustino Oguisten, SS/2B/3B (31 games in DSL in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2009
6’2”, 165 lbs, 20 years old, bats right handed
.253 average, .693 OPS, 0 HR’s, 7 RBI’s, 5 SB’s
Pre 2010 Rank: 163; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
After a terrible offensive season in 2009, in which he did not have an extra base hit in 79 at bats, Faustino Oguisten showed a little bit of improvement this past season. Every one of his offensive stats progressed in 2010, and he even managed to record 6 doubles. Even still, I was definitely hoping for a lot more out of Oguisten as I thought that he’d be able to add some muscle to his wiry frame. Really the only thing he has going for him now is the fact that he can play all over the infield, although his defense at shortstop has been pretty shaky over the past 2 seasons. Because he is still relatively young (he turns 20 this coming January) and has a solid frame, the Dodgers will probably keep the Dominican native around for at least one more season to see if he shows any more development as he matures.
174. Keyter Collado, C (1 game in AAA, 9 games in AA in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers 5/27/04
5’9”, 182 lbs, 24.75 years old, bats right handed
.314 average, .676 OPS, 0 HR’s, 2 RBI’s, 2 SB’s
Pre 2010 Rank: 190; Pre 2009 Rank: 154
I really don’t know what to make of Keyter Collado’s minor league career thus far. From 2004 through 2009, Collado was stuck playing in various rookie ball leagues, putting up average stats and showing absolutely no power. Then, all of sudden in 2010, the Dodgers started Collado off in AAA for one game, then dropped him back to AA for the rest of the season. Granted he only played in 10 total games for 2010, but still, that is a little strange. In addition, speaking of limited playing time, Collado has only played in 42 games combined over the past 3 seasons. I know that during 2010 he went on and came off the DL a few times, but it was a little suspicious because he always came off the DL right when the team was short a catcher, and he had to fill in. It’s almost like he is being used as a player/coach and maybe even as a translator, although he’s a little young to be a mentor in the upper minor leagues. Whatever Collado is doing, the Dodgers must be pleased because he was re-signed after the season as a minor league free agent.
173. Joseph Becker, 2B/SS (16 games LoA, 6 games Arizona League in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers 1/11/07
5’11, 175 lbs, 25.25 years old, bats right handed
.314 average, .772 OPS, 0 HR’s, 7 RBI’s, 1 SB
Pre 2010 Rank: 169; Pre 2009 Rank: 190
Becker was originally signed by the Dodgers as a non drafted free agent in 2007 out of Antelope Valley College, where he hit .350 for his career. Since signing, Becker has played at every Dodger minor league level except for the Dominican Summer League. That includes AAA, which is where he spent 2 games in his very first professional season. In 2010, however, Becker only played 20 total games due to an arm injury. After a short rehab assignment in Arizona in August, he spent the final month of the season with the Great Lakes Loons where he hit .255 in 16 games. Given his well-travel past, it is anyone’s guess as to where he will spend the 2011 season. Where ever he ends up, however, it’s going to be tough for this 25 year old light hitting middle infielder to make any impact with the Dodgers in the future.
172. Ivan Eugenia, RHP (1 IP in DSL in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2009
6’1”, 185 lbs, 19.5 years old
0-0, 9.00 ERA, 3.00 WHIP, 9.20 FIP, 0.00 K/9
Pre 2010 Rank: 153; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
I have no idea what happened to Ivan Eugenia in 2010. After pitching 14 innings as an 18 year old in 2009, Eugenia only threw 1 inning this past season. That one inning occurred right in the middle of the season, so I’m guessing he was injured to start the season, and then re-aggravated the injury in his one appearance. Since you can’t really look at his limited stats this year, we can go back to his 2009 season where he had a 5.79 ERA to go along with a 9.64 K/9. Still one of the younger pitchers in the organization, I’m hoping that Ivan will reemerge in 2011 and get in a full season of work.
171. Stetson Banks, CF (20 games in LoA in 2010)
Drafted by Dodgers 2009, 22nd round
6’0”, 185 lbs, 23 years old, bats right handed
.283 average, .646 OPS, 0 HR’s, 3 RBI’s, 0 SB’s
Pre 2010 Rank: 143; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Stetson Banks was drafted out of BYU in the 22nd round of the 2009 draft. He only played two years in college, however, because he served his Mormon mission in 2007 and 2008. During his 2009 college season, Banks hit .348 and stole 23 bases in 29 attempts. He is a great athlete, which he demonstrated in high school by being named second team all-state in football as a wide receiver. Furthermore, his uncle Brian Banks made it to the major leagues earlier in the decade, so he does have some decent bloodlines. Since turning pro, however, Banks hasn’t done much at all. After hitting .231 in the Arizona Rookie League in 2009, Banks was limited to just 20 games in 2010. He spent his abbreviated season with the Loons, and recorded just two extra base hits. In addition, with zero stolen bases in 2010, Banks seemed to have lost his speed, which had previously been his biggest asset. He is still relatively young at 23 and plays a solid center field, but unfortunately I don’t think Stetson will ever be a legitimate prospect.
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with Dee Gordon. Those guys should take a week tour with Man v. Food.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Me too.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 7, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
There are some great names above
Florencio looks like a Bustillos. Joseph Becker is a blogger and a middle infielder? Or is that Jose…:)
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Stetson Banks
is a great name, a natural for the Texas Rangers, to bad he’s not a great player.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
From Baja to the Canadian Rockies!
As I was in the car during lunch, Hacksaw Hamilton stated that the Dodgers are looking into a trade with the Pirates for Ryan Doumit. He didn’t site any sources, so please don’t kill the messanger.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
Tony Montana
middle infielder, Cuban Fall League
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Don't we have some failed
number one prospects we can send their way?
How about a twofer Martin and Withrow.
Doumit if he could catch would be a solid platoon for Barajas.
.797 career OPS hitting lefthanded.
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That sounds like it would be the right pickup for this team. They definitely need a platoon partner for Barajas and based on those numbers it sounds like Doumit would be ideal.
Isn’t catcher kind of a difficult spot to platoon at just because of the way that they have to interact with pitchers and such? Has there ever been a team that has successfully platooned at catcher?
Yes
whoever has Greg Zaun is usually platooning.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Kind of my point. And if you’re platooning, shouldn’t your numbers be a lot better than a career OPS of .730 or so?
I guess
but a career 91 OPS+ is not bad for such a long career.
Dodgers have done platoons,
http://www.truebluela.com/2008/1/24/121538/622
Notably
1981 – 1992: The Mike Scoscia show, started in 1981 as he and Steve Yeager shared the catching duties. They would continue to share the catching duties until 1985 when Yeager retired after a long and great Dodger career.
Fergy and Yeager did a bit of time sharing though not because of Right/Lefty splits
Duke Sime
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
is Hacksaw
a worse source than anybody in the history of media? Yes, yes he is. Not picking on you Blue Balls, I just find him rather comical.
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True, but is there any other California Sports Radio host willing to talk calls and comment on the Professional Rodeo Association or the 3rd round draft picks in the Basque Jai Alai League? No, no there is not.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 7, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
two of my greatest in the car (at the time) sports moment came courtesy of the Saw.
Keep in mind this is before Al Gore invented the internet..
1. August 9 1988 when Gretzky came to LA.
2. 1991 when we got Darryl Strawberry. I was listening to him and he broke the news..Of course this did not turn out so well.
Rosenfail
says on MLBN that it’s widely expected that Carlos Pena signs with the Nats. Loney will be in LA, the dream is overrrrr.
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we are the team
that offered 7 years to Lee
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
he's
the mystery partner
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Only to the Stadium
McCourt retains the rights to the parking lot
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I heard this
from a source familiar with the thinking of the McCourts
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Loney for Fielder?
No? Come oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
You aren't a big time writer
you wouldn’t understand
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Molly Knight
Source: Diaz to Dodgers could happen today. Sooner rather than later, anyway. His agent works fast, doesn’t like to prolong process.
Hurrah! Diaz or Hall, one of those, that was my hope
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Doesn't seem like she has any reason
to believe we are the favorites, just that he will sign somewhere today.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Curses, burned on the hot stove again!
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“[A] lot of people would think about the money they’re not making if they don’t play every day, but we all make enough money.”1
At least he has common sense on his side.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Dodger fans lose
when these are considered wins
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Agreed. Did not want Pods, but hard to get too crazy excited by a value buy. Although who knows what Gibbons would be capable of next year.
Diaz .830 in 2010 vs. LHP
Gibbons career splits are actually higher agaist LHP but vs RHP he’s at .808
a .800 OPS sounds nice
until you realize that is replacing the biggest bat in the lineup.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Kind of
he was the biggest bat in the lineup in 2009 and we kind of sucked without him in 2010 even with Gibbons doing more then we expected. The reality is that if Diaz/Gibbons is our LF in 2011, I fail to see how I should expect this team to score any more runs in 2011 then they did in Aug/Sept of 2010 other then hoping the veteran core doesn’t freak out when they don’t have a big brother to lean on.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Counterpoint - Rod Barajas
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I'm not entirely sure Barajas
is a downgrade offensively over martin
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
No but he will be a huge
downgrade from the Sept Barajas to the full season Barajas.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Scarier thought
That the bench could contain Ellis/Paul/Lindsey/Mitchell or that Colletti will dumpster dive for veterans to approximate their production?
if they get
Doumit and Diaz, it’s not a bad bench with Carroll and whoever the other IF is
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Time for
Andre Ethier to step up and be the Kirk Gibson of this team?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
But DeWitt seemed to only start against righties. Am I misremembering?
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yesterday on twitter
I offered Sharperson/Harris !
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They were the bomb
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Takes three to tango a platoon correctly
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
stetson banks
Reading that name in the past I assumed he was a brother named after Stagolee’s John B. Stetson hat ,but seeing he went on a Mormon mission probably not. A white banjo hitter with no speed. Better stick to the white shirt and the ten speed, Bud.
While the Dodgers will probably keep him around for another year, his great stats do not offset his age and stature enough for me to believe that he’ll ever make it to a US based league.
But he has to make it! He’s Leandro De Dios, Leandro of God for God’s sake!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Mike was a straight shooter
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I saw that her cancer had turned for the worse and they stopped aggresive treatment.
That woman had a shitty end to a pretty good life.
RIP
Pretty good life except for her scoundrel husband cheating on her and one of her sons being killed in an automobile accident.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Roger that. "The shitty end wasn't just referring to cancer. I wanted it to encompass all of the bad crap
That woman had a shitty end
bed pans suck
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
From Brewers beat writer Tom Haudricourt
Just heard that the Brewers have talked to the Rays about RHP Matt Garza. Not sure what it would take to do that deal.
Would the Rays do Fielder for Garza? It doesn’t seem like their MO to take a guy for one year. Just speculating.
Indeed
If they do that Deal, Crawford should sign with them for one year just for the fun they could have. As Matt Diaz says, they already have enough money.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Seems like too much
for the Brewers and not enough for TB. But maybe I’m overvaluing Garza and Rubby
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
maybe Loney goes to the brewers
and Rubby goes to TB?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Still not enough I imagine
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
One team is always screwed in these three ways
why do you want to screw Tampa like that?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Because he like the Dodgers more than the Rays :)
Really though, TB would just cut the Dodgers out and take Fielder.
Dodgers would have to throw in more prospects to TB.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Fair price for LA (it is Fielder for gosh sake’s)
TB does all right.
Brewers might need one more piece.
Interesting.
I have the exact opposite opinion
lol
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I do too. I find it hard to see how anybody would be that pleased with Loney and Broxton (as the entire haul.)
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Nice. I need to pick a Clipper game for us….
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Tampa wouldn’t do that. They are trying to trim payroll… They need MLB ready cost-controlled guys, which we don’t really have. Loney kinda fits the bill there, but he’s not enough.
Pretty good bet
the $1 Million first baseman they just signed will OPS out $6 Million dollar Loney if they got the same number of at bats. I expect that while some GM’s may fancy Loney, Tampa is not one of them.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
it's also trading your 2nd best pitcher
for a one-year rental. I’d be surprised if Tampa did that.
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Hey
all I need is for Tony Jackson to report it and it becomes fact.
Disregard females, acquire currency.
In general, I think Fielder might be a little undervalued in these trade proposals. I don’t know many players who can do what he does. I love Garza, but I can see TB replacing him with their depth. Loney & Broxton are no longer cheap, which is where I probably am way off (that and Loney not being very good). I was practicing for my Baseball Tonight appearance where I pronounce every trade “great for both teams.”
Zing!
Josh Fisher of Dodger Divorce dug deep for this zinger sentence from Judge Gordon’s McCourt vs. McCourt ruling this morning.
“The testimony of both parties as to their lack of knowledge and attention to the details of the MPA is not credible.”That light legalese for “both of you are liars.”
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"y'all get out of here with that weak ass shit"
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
ha ha
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Cute and cuddly
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Nulls and void my contest
Reg was pimping him.
Does this move Kemp to LF or RF or is Tony simply a bench part?
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I'm very irritated
I didn’t get this started on Nov 1st. I’ve deleted the post and cancelled the contest.
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I'm sure he'll be a Pirate soon enough
so you’ll find out.
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Horrible at the plate yet brilliant in the field.
Wishful thinking is he goes back to hitting like he did in 2009 (OBP of .350) while continuing to play plus defense.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, when I pimped the signing I think I was reading his 2009 numbers.
On the bright side, in a neutral park Gwnn would have had a .670 OPS. That’s not awful for a great defensive CF.
I'll still always love the fact
he knocked his Dads team out of the playoffs.
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imagine him
no longer shackled by the canyonesque power alleys of Petco. He and Adrian are now free men.
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This doesn’t sound that stupid.
This is the plus defensive center fielder which allows the club to move Kemp back to RF and Ethier to LF.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
What the hell is this?
Dodgers
Ned: I think we may be getting close on a couple things. Not a big time bat that’s going to shock the world but someone that we really need
A big bat is the only thing the Dodgers really need.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Translation - Gwynn = SOmeone We Really Need!
?
;-)
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Oh shit
dylanohernandez
Take this for what it’s worth: #Dodgers have had talks with the #Royals about Greinke.
So long Chad.
Actually, I don’t think the Dodgers have a snowballs chance in hell of landing Granick.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Well
You figure at best Chad is going to cost maybe a little more that one year’s salary to Zack (13.5X2).
If the Dodgers acquire Greinke
I will unban SPC7, and let him write a guest post.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
People don’t just disappear in the woods.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Bears gotta eat
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ALSO
HE TYPED IN CAPS AND NEVER LIKED TO END SENTENCES HE WOULD JUST GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE THE WEIRD THING TOO WAS THAT HE WOULD USE DASHES ALL THE TIME SO A LOT OF HIS TEXT WOULD BE STRICKEN
hee
RT @jay_jaffe 1985: Dodgers draft & sign Chris Gwynn. 2010: Dodgers sign Tony Gwynn, Jr. 2035: Dodgers sign 75-year-old Tony Gwynn, Sr.
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chris gwynn
was in a jury pool for a trial I was working on in riverside. he was dismissed because he had to go to ST.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 7, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
he will be.
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5pm hurry please
want to go buy Inception so I can learn how to get inside Jamie
’s mind.
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Yes!
and I have a pool that she can use between noon and 3pm on Thursdays!
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I know why we are after Greinke
Mega Blockbuster Trade
Brewers Get:Greinke and Loney
Dodgers Get:Fielder
Royals Get: Prospects
We wouldn’t be after Greinke then.
And we don’t have prospects who would even rate in the KC system (or so I hear.) And the Dodgers would be rounding into form with a 7 man rotation.
Getting Greinke would require Chad or Clayton be shipped out. There is no way the Dodgers are trading Clayton.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Why does that feel like a lot to the Brewers
for one year of Fielder and unknown prospects?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Dodgers kicked the tires
on Fielder, I think it was more to lay the groundwork if the Brewers hold onto him and trade him at the deadline.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
This sounds like the most likely scenario
Same with Granick.
that still does not get us Willingham
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no, they serve different purposes
Diaz would be a left-field platoon guy, Gwynn the 5th OF/plays D at all positions guy.
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I think it means
Ned is going through his rolodex asking, “Hey, can you play left field? What are you doing from March through late September? Would you mind not cashing checks for the next three to for years? Swell, when can you start?”
Yeah. Me and the rest of the Bama fanbase have been conspiring to bring down the auburn football program. That is, if you believe the people in Lee County, Alabama. :-)
In all seriousness, once September and October rolled around I went in full football and have spent most of my time following that and driving back and forth between Atlanta and Tuscaloosa on the weekends. I really want to devote more time here as I find myself out of the loop quite a bit,
Alice Cooper co-owns a sports bar with Randy Johnson in Phoenix. They sell a two-foot long hot dog called “The Big Unit.”
that place is awesome
so many questionable/ridiculous menu items named after athletes and celebrities. and all the employees wear ridiculous eye makeup.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 7, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Seems pretty full to me.
Besides, (and I don’t mean to attack you here) but who cares the attendance? Should the NBA contract and relocate teams enough that they have teams in NY, Los Angeles and Chicago only?
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
That seems harsher than I meant. Sorry about that Keith.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
I stand with you on those who
impugn attendance as a reason why the fan base sucks. All 5,000 of us Clipper fans.
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Average attendance was the trigger for the Hornets to end their lease early in New Orleans.
I agree, attendance is not the sole reason regarding measurement of the fan’s interest in the team but it is the one that hits the team in the wallet.
Speaking of wallets
What would the McCourts do if Dodgers attendance dipped to 25,000 avg. for a year? Extreme fire sale? Suicide?
Would never happen
might as well ask what the Dodgers would be like if Jeter/Arod were the left side of our infield.
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The average in 2000 was 35,559 and in 2001 it was 37,249. Its not that far-fetched. In 1992 it was 30,534.
35,000 sounds very plausible
if things go South for more then one year at a time. As prices keep rising, and the product does not follow suit it is much easier to say no at renew time.
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In 2000 The Dodgers had a home game with the Angels that only drew 35k. In 2001 a Friday night with only 37k!
folk were really unhappy with Fox as owners though, right? and didn’t ticket prices go way up?
I’d like to know these things for sure, but I was 13 at the time
Recession and the team wasn't great
‘08 – ’10 could have been a financial nightmare if the Dodgers hadn’t been in the midst off back-to-back NLCS championships.
2005
was the worst team that hit the field because of injuries and no decent replacements. Frank panicked then, so if that was to happen again, he’d probably panic again.
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That is what I was thinking, but two straight years like that could lead to extreme fire sale. Three straight? Don’t want to know.
Also just wanted to start a semi-meaningless/worthwhile topic.
Worst case would be that he becomes actually insolvent and there is a lack of buyers and the team is taken over by MLB.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
If attendance dropped drastically the McCourts would likely work on strategies to raise the attendance.
I think they woudl be able to accomplish this and not have to resort to hanging themselves.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
For the Dodgers to hit 35,000
they would need back to back seasons like 67/68 and I have no idea what the financial downfall of that would be for the McCourts.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
What happened if the Dodgers attendance dropped to zero and the entire team decided to retire from baseball and take their talents to South Beach?
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
but I resent fans from other teams who look at attendance and make fun of the fan base, especially when the majority of those making fun of the attendance rarely get off their couch potatoe ass to buy a ticket to the team they support because they can’t afford it.
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I had the same take Phil did. I see no reason to take a jab at the Bucks or their fans. Do we want a scenario where the NBA is contracted to 12 teams? What exactly is the point of those kinds of statements?
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Well also the Bucks are drawing 16k in an arena that holds around 19k. So they have 85% attendance, which really isn’t bad at all.
FYI
the Clippers may be averaging 16K but they give away a shitload of tickets to season ticket holders and to many organizations as they try to put people in the stands.
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Fucking Coliseum
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Coliseum
Only facility to host 2 Olympic Games.
Wasn’t it also the answer to a trivia question of one of the only stadiums to have hosted a world series and a superbowl? What were the others? HHH Metrodome?
Miami Dolphins stadium I'm sure
w/e they call it now
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
They are compared
to their NBA brethren. Hell Josie they made money while playing in the hell hole that was the Sports Arena.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Driving into work this morning, i relized I can barely remember the sports arena.
I remember going, but I don’t remember anything about the inside of the sports arena.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
So many bad things
1. Near USC
2. Parking sucked
3. Near USC
4. Old and crappy
5. Benches for seats behind the baskets
6. Near USC
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and Saturday
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Fear the Deer.
There are damn good fans in Milwaukee. Keep in mind that with a low temperature of 13 degrees last evening, it wasn’t exactly ideal weather to pack up the family and head on down to the Bradley Center for a NBA game.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 7, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
"#Dodgers have had talks with the #Royals about Greinke"
Ned: Any interest in trading that Greinke kid?
Dayton Moore: Not for Loney and Broxton.
Ned: You gonna eat those fries?
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 7, 2010 3:10 PM PST reply actions
LOL
what does a digital fry taste like?
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Gibbons can hit, however is challenged on defense
Gwynn is challenged with the bat, however is good at defense
XPaul is challenged both on offense and defense
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 7, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Put the trio together and you still don't have a good ballplayer
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I think so too
“he’s a winner with great bloodlines”
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Chris and Tony Jr.
The Dodgers attempt to finally get to Tony gwynn Sr. is to get his kid more rings than pops got.
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LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
SI_JonHeyman
hearing cliff lee now has two 7-year offers for $20-mil plus. #yankees, #rangers werent planning to go there. #doublemystery
Has to be someone who has to overpay
to get them to pay attention. Also someone who has money.
Who fits that description?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
It would suck if it was the Phillies
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For those who have missed it...
…SportsByBrooks has been totally ripping MLB and Bud Selig today on twitter RE: the treatment of the Dodgers.
got any
particular gems?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
SPORTSbyBROOKS
If Jamie wanted to be part of team, why is it buyout or nothing? Why cant she be co-Owner? B/C she doesnt want the team
She can't be co-owner
because MLB does not allow more than one owner who makes decisions.
Also, she is not a co-owner now, all today means is that all of their assets (that we know of) will be classified as community property once this statement of decision is filed as a judgment.
The other stuff in that article is tired and been rehashed over and over.
SPORTSbyBROOKS
Baseball’s “best interests”: Watching Dodgers burn.
SPORTSbyBROOKS
Selig was ready to invoke ‘best interests’ clause to seize Rangers. Dodgers? crickets
SPORTSbyBROOKS
The Jamie “buyout” threat is bogus. Negotiating tactic to steal as much $ from Dodgers (Frank) as possible.
SPORTSbyBROOKS
MLB, Jamie are your winners. City of LA, fans and Frank are your losers. Thanks Bud!
I can't disagree with him much
on this
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
But Selig can’t really say shit about the over-leveraged situation because he was openly supporting the McCourt’s when they were shopping for a team. Powerful people don’t say, “Woops, my bad. Sorry about that.”
Its his fault
for selling the team to them in the first place
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
so yeah
its all seligs fault
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Blame Kemp!
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry. I mean anything travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?"
allowing
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What fault?
It was either the McCourts or nothing and despite people not being perfectly happy with that, the team obviously has been better off. As Tripon pointed out, if the team needs to get sold again, the Dodgers are much more valuable and profitable then they were back in 2004.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t believe no one else was interested in the Dodgers. Without rehashing the whole Broad argument, there was an offer on the table if Frank’s deal fell apart. It should have fallen apart based on his lack of liquidity. Selig had to be aware of how much of the deal was being financed and deferred and approved it anyway.
And why shouldn’t he have?
The debt has not been an issue. The Dodgers have operated for 6 years under Frank and while some may not like how he’s done it, the team is not at risk of crumbling under it’s debt load. The value of the Dodgers franchise has gone up during the McCourt ownership and the team hasn’t sucked on the field either.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
I could reasonably take that position. In any case, the team is in a better position to undergo a sales process now then it was in 2004. The owner of the team should get some of the credit for that and continuing to call the initial sale of the team to Frank a mistake seems misplaced to me.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
I need a break
I’ve been agreeing with you far too often lately.
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I don’t disagree that McCourt has been better for the Dodgers than Fox was. Still, with increasing ticket prices, decreased operating budgets, and still deferring money every year, are you really unconcerned with the future of the Dodgers under the McCourts?
I am completely unconcerned. Seeing what the Texas Rangers got in a broadcasting deal when they renegotiated with Fox Sports Southwest has completely sold me. The Dodgers will recognize a windfall as soon as the current fox deal is up.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
i like this guy
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
if it is
then she is cool, if not, then he is cool
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
You might have the same opinion
if you had been around here when she was talking about Chad being a head case.
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Michael, you seem to have your finger on the pulse of what is going on in the trial. I, however, do not.
What is going to happen? I know you don’t know for sure, but what will the final result be and how will it affect the Dodgers and more importantly how will it affect me?
Thanks man.
I’ll hang up and listen.
Actually, I don’t consider myself to be particularly strong at all regarding the happenings of the trial.
Several others on this board are following it much closer than I am.
I just have a hatred for Jamie.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
What's next
1. Frank and Jamie’s attorneys will file objections to the Statement of Decision (I am sure there are some findings that Jamie’s side will want to re-argue).
2. By the end of the month or beginning of the year, Jamie’s side will file a draft judgment form that the Court will use to issue their judgment.
3. After the judgment is entered, Frank will start appeal process.
4. Frank and Jamie will start trial re Frank’s contention that Dodgers bought with his separate property.
5. Frank will probably lose that.
None of this will affect the Dodgers nor Keithc13 in any demonstrative way.
I know this horse has been beaten, shot and turned to glue
but mark Cuban was the runner up bid for the Rangers. Maybe he bid because it was a texas team, but I wonder…
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I wonder
about Dennis Gilbert. Guy seems to be waiting in the wings
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Would MLB approve him is the biggest question. Wasn’t there a lot of resistance to the idea when he expressed interest in the Cubs?
yes
there was, IIRC
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Accoring to Sources
This type of negative publicity rarely encourages prospective season ticket buyers to actually follow through with a decision to purchase the seats?
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 7, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
There was nothing that could have happened today
that would have changed anything for season ticket holders.
Now if you don’t like Padilla and Gwynn, that’s a good reason to not follow through on buying tickets.
From the perspective of someone who just loves baseball for the sake of baseball, including just about everyone who posts here, I agree.
However, a negative cloud of uncertainty hanging over the club could dampen the desire of some corporate sponsors and some fans who have more of a casual interest in the game.
Especially those who may be in a position where money has become tighter for them.
The public perception of greed as it is being portrayed in the Times for example, turns many people off.
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 7, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Lots of people still read it in Los Angeles, and that is only one example.
Where has anyone seen or heard comments reagding this subject that are only positive?
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 7, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
:)
Lots of people talkin’
Few of them know …
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 7, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Good LZ ref
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry. I mean anything travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?"
I would have been not renewing if my ticket prices had increased or stayed the same. Since the price came down a bit this year, I’ll take that as a sign of Frank realizing he can’t hose us in years when the team isn’t good. Its the first decent thing I can say has been done for the fans in several years.
I have decided to not buy a plan unless one more decent bat is added, and Pods does not count.
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 7, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
This team needs another power hitter in the lineup, that’s for sure.
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 7, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Lauughed at this
http://twitter.com/stevehenson333/status/12253866376564736
More Scioscia: “a pitcher of lees caliber makes you better.”
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#Dbacks former Cy Young winner Brandon Webb’s arm surgeron is at winter meetings, assuring suitors Webby will perform “at a high level.”
Did anyone see
that the Rangers will “listen” on Michael Young? My guess is the Cards take a look at that.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
Boise St President on BCS
Kustra has been a persistent critic of the BCS because he says it treats schools from smaller conferences like second-class citizens.
mid-majors are apparently now using the same rhetoric as civil rights activists
I guess the big win is the stories vin gets to tell about him and his family
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 7, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
from mlbtraderumors
Angels GM Tony Reagins tells Mike DiGiovanna of the LA Times that the Angels are not the mystery team that has offered Lee seven years.
Dodgers potential 2011 lineup (by2010 OBP)
Gwynn – .304
Furcal – .366
Either – .364
Loney – .329
Kemp – .310
Uribe – .310
Blake- .320
Barajas- .284
Couldn't Travon
do what Gwynn does?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
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