Dodgers Sign Tony Gwynn
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 4:22 PM PST
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PrintThe Dodgers have reached back into their past to sign reserve outfielder Tony Gwynn, formerly of the Padres. Gwynn is the nephew of former Dodger outfielder Chris Gwynn. The deal, which was first reported by Tom Krasovic of AOL Fanhouse, is worth $675,000, per Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times.
Gwynn hit .204/.304/.287 in 339 plate appearances for the Padres last year, and is a career .244/.323/.314 hitter. His best offensive year was 2009, when he managed .270/.350/.344 in San Diego. However, Gwynn's calling card is his defense. His career UZR/150 in center field is 14.2 runs above average, and he has been +13 and +11 in John Dewan's plus/minus system in the last two seasons. In plus/minus, Gwynn ranked second among MLB centerfielders in 2009, and fourth in 2010, all while playing the equivalent of slightly more than one full season in total over the two years.
Gwynn figures to be the go-to defensive replacement and occasional starter all over the outfield this season. What this also means is that Xavier Paul, who is out of options, is as good as gone. Right now, the Dodgers have Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, Jay Gibbons, and Gwynn targeted for their outfield, and I would be shocked if they don't sign another, preferably right-handed outfielder, presumably a more offensively-minded player. There just isn't enough room on the bench of Paul, so expect him to be traded at some point before opening day.
Gwynn gives the Dodgers 38 players on their 40-man roster, and when the Vicente Padilla deal becomes official the Dodgers will have 39 players. I have seen Gwynn referred to as Gwynn, Jr., by some media outlets, suggesting he had a father of the same name. Apparently he is a baseball coach of some sort at San Diego State. If Senior could hit as well as his brother and son, he might have been good enough to make the major leagues, too.
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The Dodgers today also announced the hiring of a pair of scouts. Wade Taylor, a former big league pitcher for the Yankees, and former scout with the Yankees and Nationals, will be an advance scout with the Dodgers. Bill Latham, a former pitcher with the Yankees and Twins, and former Red Sox scout, will serve as a pro scout for the Dodgers.
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Wow, first view of that pic made me think, the return of Juan Pierre (at a much more reasonable price of course)
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 7, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Do prefer the Gwynn price tag
At the very least, it’s a low risk signing, which could otherwise sum up every other move this offseason.
Kemp, Francour, and Uribe in order and McCourt could sell electricity with his new windmill farm!
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 7, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I look forward to hearing Vinny say
“Ah, Tony’s boy….a delightful man, and what a hitter, mmm hmmm”
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 7, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
According to FanGraphs...
He’s been worth an average of 2 WAR a season the last two years. While he obviously won’t be worth that much in a reserve role, still a great signing at that price – we need a plus defender in the OF off the bench.
So far this winter
The Dodgers have signed two from the 2010 Padres, and one from the 2010 Giants. Watch, we get Miguel Olivo and Chad Qualls to complete the light-scale division raid.
Ken Rosenthal
If Gwynn Jr. hits – and it’s a big if – #Dodgers could go with him in CF, put Ethier back in LF and move Kemp to RF. Again, big if. #MLB
Uh…
I could be argued into the case
that an outfield defense of Kemp / Tony / Andre would be better then an outfield of
Andre / Kemp / Diaz
because I love a good defensive CF, maybe because we rarely get to see such an animal at the Ravine.
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am I the only person who cringed at the use of the word “animal” for an African American? Probably.
He’s from Long Beach. Maybe Ned is just trying to get a bunch of local kids to play for the team, hoping they’ll try harder.
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andre is half bean too
mother is Mexican, father a honkey like Tom Willis.
by The Real Pancho on Dec 7, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
after a semester of delving hip deep into Black Church history and stuff like that, I think I am now overly sensitive to race and identity construction.
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They have you right where they want you.
I need to get the just as Planned gif.
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Only if you light that comment on fire next.
by SoftballHuman on Dec 7, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
You were awesome, too. Not so much for your skill, but for, you know, making fun of.
Good times.
by SoftballHuman on Dec 7, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Possibly the only…
(a) catcher to call pitches in slow pitch softball
(b) first baseman to cover home on plays to the OF
I was all-laugh, no-hit, no-field.
But we miss the laughter, man. We miss the laughter.
by SoftballHuman on Dec 7, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
I think the South will do that to people.
But also, Phil referred to animal meaning a defensive CF. Had he said that Gwynn is an animal it might be somewhat different? Dunno because lots of athletes get called animals.
yeah
it’d be interesting to see who gets called “animal” and who gets called “gritty”. Would Juan Pierre be gritty?
…if I could tie this to religion, I could totally do that as a master’s thesis project.
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wow.
Anyway, yeah, it would be interesting to see who gets called an “animal” and who gets called “gritty”. I’d love to do a master’s thesis on this, maybe I can parlay it into a directed reading or something with the sociology department.
I’ll stop the race talk though, my bad, I know it gets close to politics.
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oh god damn
my initial comment was hidden, I thought it just screwed up.
MY OPINION IS CONSISTENT
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I’m disappointed you even brought this up.
I’ll use plenty of other terms in the future you can find offense with, but this was not even worth bringing up.
The gritty world of over achieving white athletes is a whole different matter.
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I'm sorry
it was the first association I made, and I admitted it was probably due to the context of the classes I’ve been taking this semester. For what it’s worth, I didn’t think you meant anything offensive by it at ALL. If I had, I wouldn’t have responded.
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Gwynn is
“well spoken” and “explosive”. White people are gritty, and latinos are sparkplugs I think.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
dylanohernandez
#Dodgers are still exploring free-agent options in the outfield, bullpen and at catcher.
HOOWAH.
I did some advance scouting for you
The nacho fries at Del Taco are not very good.
And this is coming from someone who likes their chili cheese fries
I do like their burgers
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ouch
thats why I was curious. I like their macho nachos, and I like their chili cheese fries, how could it go wrong?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Lethal Weapon 5 showed us there’s never an appropriate time for blackface.
by regfairfield on Dec 7, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Um, I don't get it?
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I dunno if that’s a cultural reference you can expect.
One thing I learned this weekend, outside of LA, you can’t expect that people view movies and TV as common cultural ground
I dunno, I was practically accosted by people at a school party early on demanding to know if I had seen True Blood…and that demanding that I watch it when I said I hadn’t.
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Thats college
doesn’t count
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
in the South
which contains a bunch of people who listen (WILLINGLY) to country music, much like the thingy that Josie was at this weekend.
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Country is just their pop
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
You might as well like
Britney Spears and N Sync
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
that’s not fair, Country Music has more in common with R&B than pop. He might as well like Alicia Keys, is the correct response
Most "country"
you hear on the radio might as well just be called pop. I don’t see much relation to hip hop in actual sound, or lyrical content.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
as little as possible?
that and Garth Brooks. I know I’m making an unfair generalization based on almost nothing. Taylor Swift though sounds like pop to me.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Ok, so instead of saying, “Taylor Swift sounds like pop”, you conflated ALL of Country Music with Tay Tay?
That seems silly.
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Its called
stirring the pot. I think. I will say that most country music I have heard in my life basically sounds like pop.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
traditional music, coming out of blues in the south, usually with a guitar lead, focusing on telling the stories of common folk of a people and their everyday struggles. Could easily describe R&B or Country or
Season 184 was much better
she fell in love with Matlock and they had a Benjamin Button baby
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I used to
I still remember both Dana Carvey and someone else used to do very funny impressions of him, throwing in crazy obscure historical references. “What’re you, Nebuchadnezzar?”
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Do you still like the current Dennis Miller
or the dead long ago Dennis Miller?
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my dad used to have an audio tape copy of the Rants
that’s the Dennis Miller I love. I’m not sure what he’s been doing lately, and I don’t think I agree with his personal ideology, but I’m the kind of person who gets excited over obscure historical references. Like, when UDog referenced Nebuchadnezzar up there, I got excited.
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what the hell does Rant mean?
:)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Family Guy:
Dennis Miller: I don’t wanna go on a RANT here but America’s foreign policy makes about as much sense as Beowolf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first Battle of Antetum. I mean when a neo-conservative defenstrates it’s like Raskalnakov filibuster dioxymonohydrostinate.
Peter: What the hell does RANT mean?
defenstrate
remains one of my fav terms ever.
Also, that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.
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hey, just aways up thread I suggest Jeter might get angry over someone eating his hardboiled eggs. You’re speaking to the queen.
I’ve just realized that most folk don’t watch nearly as much motion pictures as I (and I assume most Angelinos) do
what was your reference?
All I could think of is the lizard trying to each the poachers eggs in down under
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Arrested Development
“Oh here he comes, here comes John Wayne. I’m not gonna cry about my pa. I’m gonna build an airport, put my name on it. Why Michael, so you can fly away from your feelings? I think you’ll find that you can’t escape from them, and they will come out when you least expect….
Who the fuck ate all my hardboiled eggs?"
[queue Christmastime is Here]
/from memory
heh
still only seen the first season
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hah
“Michael remembered what Buster did to what he thought was Rosa’s favorite toy to what he thought was Rosa’s car.”
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Yah, might be true
tho most peeps here are pretty pop culture savvy, but I live in bumpkinville, aka, San Francisco. I just watch CMT and Spike TV mostly. ;-)
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Not really...
But I was trying to tie it in to Paul vs Kemp, aren’t they both African American? But obviously I’m missing something else anyway. ;-)
I’ll ask Danny DeVito what he thinks.
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He's from Louisiana
and definitely black, unless he’s from the Hispanic section of Baton Rouge :-)
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correction: "from the Hispanic section of Slidell"
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I was wondering how I could drive home and there be 200 unread comments
now I know
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But really
Furcal Gwynn Ethier Kemp Loney Blake Uribe Barajas would be one hell of a defensive lineup, and they’d easily score more runs than the Padres did last year, though they’d clearly be bottom half in the league, but with our rotation and bullpen (assuming struggles are gone. LOOKING AT YOU JB), would we need to score more than say 4 runs per game?
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Yes, but
we’re used to losing 3-2 already, now we’d expect it and, in return, love it when we win 3-2 because of awesome D.
We’d be using the “Just as planned” gif a whole lot. Like everytime a ball in the gap gets run down.
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The idea of a superior defensive center fielder is genuinely appealing. Defense is cool anyway. The more and more 2011 reveals itself, the more I realize that the offense is pretty much going to depend on Kemp/Ethier.
I’m also very worried about Blake on both sides of the ball.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 7, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Re: Blake, Bat yes, but why glove as long as his hammy holds up?
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 7, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
He’s not a very good defensive third baseman, and isn’t getting any better. WIth his bat now a huge question, I worry.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 7, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
this is wrong
he’s been an above-average fielder for years
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Spekaing of that
I added some minor info about two scouts the Dodgers hired that they announced earlier. I forgot to put that in the original post.
I feel like this offseason is being done by one of those genies who give you the worst possible interpretation of every wish.
“I wish the Dodgers would spend 125 million this offseason”
“Okay, but the best player you’ll get is Ted Lilly”
“Noooooooooooooo”
This really has nothing to do with today, but the comparison suddenly came to me.
Jeter is a whiny baby
“I was pretty angry about it, but I let that be known,” Jeter told beat reporters. "I was angry about it because I was the one that said I didn’t want to do it, that I wasn’t going to (test the market).
“To hear the organization tell me to go shop it when I just told you I wasn’t going to, if I’m going to be honest, I was angry about it.”
OMG you asked them for a ridiculous contract and they said no. You poor baby.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Very hard not to find that irritating.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 7, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Its more irritating because in the end
they still agreed to overpay him.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
at night he can cry into his pillow stuffed with 1 million dollar bills
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 7, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
I was more thinking of stuffing Minka Kelly.
I’d rather take Riggins, though, if we’re choosing people from FNL
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I say dude more than y’all.
I’m damn near an outcast!
I’m glad you had fun with all the country folk.
is now a bad time to mention she lives like, I dunno, a quarter of a mile away from Vandy’s campus?
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Why are males attracted to Taylor Swift?
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She's not
I’m thinking he has no idea who she is
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Its not always about size
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I don't mean just her
I mean the whole skelatal look in general.
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Because she's very cute
That said I don’t love her like some guys I know do.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
she didn’t show. I dunno if you watched, but basically Toby Keith and Trace Atkins took over and made it a “real” country show
Does he live in Australia
and poach Eagle eggs?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I saw it a couple months ago
because fuck yeah rescuers down under
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
We all HATED that signing.
We were all wrong.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
the other being, of course
Matt Kemp’s preternatural ability to be responsible for EVERYTHING.
Winter is coming.
Who knew
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Actually
I really meant “Who Knew” to Reg, because as Mr. White pointed out we at TBLA did not have any idea what his opinion was. Not Who Knew as though Who Knew he would be worth the contract.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Really
I thought you never responded to anything I said on DT over some weird guilt trip.
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I don’t believe you had made your triumphant return to TBLA by then. As such, my statement stands :)
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
Plus my defense of the signing was “he’s the best Alex Cora type out there”. There’s a ringing endorsement.
I AM TOTALLY TO BLAME FOR REG COMING BACK
Seriously. I think I texted him a few times “Post on TBLA! POST ON TBLA! I AM ON TBLA COME POST HERE”
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I assumed he brought you over here.
So how did you get here?
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Let's see.
I discovered DT after the Bobbleslam because I was stuck at work until 1 am. I started lurking there before I worked up the balls to comment. Then, Jon moved to ESPN and it was blocked at work. I missed talking Dodger things, and so finally I decided to check out TBLA.
That’s when I came here. Reg and I were already BFF at this point.
Winter is coming.
Juan Phillipe was more wrong then anyone else
because I was more angry about it then anyone else.
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Okay
I count 20 on the roster, 3 out of options.
20 locks
Kershaw, Billingsley, Lilly, Kuroda, Garland – 5
Padilla, Belisario, Kuo, Jansen, Broxton – 5
Barajas – 1
Loney, Uribe, Furcal, Blake, Carroll – 5
Ethier, Kemp, Gibbons, Gwynn 4
4 out of options
Hawksworth, Giminez, Hu and Paul
From the farm
I can see Elbert maybe Troncoso but no position players
Assuming that Giminez will be cut in ST, they still need a FA catcher, probably a better bat utility IF and a RH outfielder.
I can see Hawksworth and Elbert both making the team
I would like to see
Hu / Paul traded to the Pirates for Joel Hanrahan.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
wasn’t Hanrahan a product of the Dodger minor league system?
by The Real Pancho on Dec 7, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Octavio Dotel
the return the Pirates should have gotten last August.
ned makes right.
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What about Ru/Paul?
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OOT: Need a phone upgrade but have 18 months left on my plan
any idea where I can get a droid x or droid incredible (Verizon) without dropping 600 bucks and having to get a new plan?
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I renewed with Verizon, so I didn’t drop anywhere near that much on my incredible.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Mike
Apparently my sociology prof next semester is a woman. It’ll likely be the two of us…and 19 year old boys.
Maybe I will date a 20 year old, after all.
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nah
I’m going to say, in the words of Michael White
Alright bitches, listen up: I’m going to tell you about a little thing called “park factors”
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no, you need a BA for Vandy Div, I think
but this is a class offered by the Sociology department for undergraduates. I’m taking it as a super elective, as I think I might want to pursue a PhD in sociology.
Winter is coming.
Planning for to extend your time in Tennessee
Hoping keithc13 and family come up for an Arkansas v. Vandy football game.
hahahaha that would be funny!
I dunno, Vandy has a pretty good soc program, and they have money…which is the important part. I’d love to go to UCSB though.
Winter is coming.
Heading out to the Lakers game
Look for me on TV, I’ll be the guy in the yellow shirt with purple writing on it.
he can compensate for the grit we lost now that Riot is gone
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Whoa
As for Padilla, he agreed to a one-year contract for a guaranteed $2 million with as much as $8 million in incentives if he makes 33 starts or as much as $6 million in incentives based on relief workload.
Nothing is ever as good
as it sounds once we hear the details.
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Padilla, however, probably believes he can beat out Jon Garland for the fifth starting spot, presenting manager Don Mattingly with potentially his first dilemma as the new manager. He already has rotation spots locked up by Clayton Kershaw, Chad Billingsley, Ted Lilly and Hiroki Kuroda.
Heh.
Padilla's "stuff" would seem to be better suited for relief
than Garland, no? But anyway, not a terrible problem to have, really. Better than watching the Ortizii battle it out.
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The thing is
When both are healthy, Padilla probably is the better SP.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
I think Padilla is more capable of having great games; I also believe he is more capable of having wretched games. Consistently slightly above average vs. Occasionally great but sometimes clinically insane.
Do they mean
the whole contract could be worth 8 million, or is it 2 million + 8 million in incentives?
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ouch
of course the chances of him starting 33 games are approximately nill.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I have to believe that it’s a 2mil base contract with something like 6 mil in starter incentives and 2 mil in reliever incentives. Something so that it’s impossible for him to get the full value of the contract. If he makes all those starts, he’s worth 8mil, if he’s making enough relief appearances to be worth it, he’s worth the 4mil. But in no way is this guy worth 10mil.
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Phil took the contest down?
Since TGjr was signed? Lots of Zs to go through, so not sure if it was announced.
Yes
It was a bad idea at this time.
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Just in the last 5 years
David Lee had 24 straight (in 2009)
Dwight Howard had 20 straight last year.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilt went 81 for 81 one year
I find it hard to believe
that Wilt did not get a double double every night the year he averaged 37 points and 19 rebounds a year. He might have had a double double every year from 1959 – 1965
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I remember the first time I read where Wilt averaged 50 points a game in 1961-1962
and knowing that was the year he scored a 100, I thought, you mean in one game he had zero. I was in young child then and Wilt was still playing.
Wilt's 100 point game
was played in front of 4,100 people in Hershey, Pa
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry. I mean anything travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?"
Box scores don’t go back that far on BB-ref
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
He did it after every game too
Or are you talking about basketball?
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KG had 37 straight overlapping the 2005-06 and 2006-07 seasons.
Barkley had 28 in 1986-1987.
That’s how far back Basektball-Reference goes.
Also from that link
On February 2, 1968, in a game against Detroit, Wilt Chamberlain managed a double triple-double of 22 points, 21 assists, and 25 rebounds, a stat line unlikely to be ever seen again.
Magic had a 24-17-17 game in 1989, the only 17-17-17 game in the last 25 years.
Most recent Quadruple Double
David Robinson, 2/17/94
34 points/10 boards/10 blocks/10 assists
Unbelievable!
I hope Gwynn isn’t our starting LF. I read an article that said he would get most of the playing time. I would only accept him as a starter if we got Fielder. I hope he is nothing more than a 5th OF,pinch runner, defensive replacement.
What article says he'll get most of the playing time?
I don’t buy that at all.
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No way Gywnn starts, right?
Too bad the Dodgers didn’t go after Maybin if this was their plan. (not that it is.)
Ah, Tony Jackson, so insightful...
Gwynn, an outstanding defensive player, is expected to share time in left field with veteran Jay Gibbons, although Gwynn likely will get the bulk of the starts.
You really think he was signed to start? In left field?
…Really?
If they seriously signed Gwynn as an everyday player
this team is never going to score.
It’s going to be interesting and/or frustrating as fuck. Likely more the latter. I’d be especially mad if Gwynn starts in LF instead of CF.
I have a soft spot in my heart for teams that refuse to score runs but remain competitive through really good pitching. I think it happens to anyone that grows up hearing the stories of how Drysdale and Koufax won every single game 1-0.
Those Dodger Teams
of the early sixties were really bad at scoring clumps of runs. Wills would walk, steal second, then Willie Davis would bunt him to third, and Tommy Davis would hit a sac fly to score him. Then Koufax, Drysdale or Podres would have to hold them.
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
Isn't that the hell where they send
child molesters and people who talk at the theater?
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Awesome
I’ve always wanted to be included. :-)
For all those who don’t know (and how could you not?), Firefly is amazing.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Us browncoats
have to stick together.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
gooble
gobble
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
OhRLY?
Is this a Joss Whedon thing or a western-in-space thing?
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Fair enough
Put me in the former, but my girl is not a fan and I don’t blame her in the slightest. Strangely, she loved Serenity…
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
This made me laugh very hard.
I hope the fine people of Tennessee haven’t made Maddz think this is offensive.
I'm sorry IVDown, you know I don't mean this, it's just right there
If they seriously signed Gwynn as an everyday player
this team is never going to score.
Like IVDown
I'm glad to see both you and Reg thought of me when you saw this comment
lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Something is wrong when I'm the first thing people think of when they see what he wrote, hahaha
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Not everyone can be an Ivdown
It takes a special breed :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
You....bitch
haha
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
my fav country music song of the moment: Rain is a Good Thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXILOc89y3s
Rain makes corn, corn makes whiskey, and whiskey makes my baby….feel a little frisky
I like Hank Williams
and not that cocksucker who sings the Monday Night theme, the OG one
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
hopefully that won't be the theme song
for Dodger baserunners this year
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
You gotta know when the hold ‘em, know when to fold ’em, know when to walk away and know when the evening’s done
You never count your money
When your sittin’ at the table.
my first, instant thought when I saw the headline
“Ned has taken his love of veterans WAY too far this time!”
Really, though, not a bad signing overall. If we could sign Jeff Francoeur now, and somehow combine the best of these two guys into a single outfielder, you’d actually have a pretty decent player.
That’s a Franken monster joke waiting to happen
Dr. Ned at work in the lab …
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 7, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
American Idol (yeah, I watch it) is changing its format in 2011. They’re going to let people vote online based on pre-packaged videos. So it’s going be like, hey, here’s 60 “talents”, pick your favorite 12.
Could be a disaster.
In all seriousness, my dad LOVES american idol. I don’t get it. But I think he might love that format…
Winter is coming.
People who like pop
and watching people get belittled. I get the attraction, its just not for me.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
he definitely doesn't like pop
but he loves the hell out of these music reality tv show things. He likes glee, too. I’m not sure why
Winter is coming.
counting down
to cancellation.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
So I'm going to Vegas not this but next weekend
with my cousin and a friend of ours. We are going to share a suite from the Aria I believe. It’s going to be my first time in Vegas when I can actually gamble, which is huge for me because I love casinos (even when I lost at Chumash). I’m definitely excited for that.
I was thinking of putting a bet on an NFL game that weekend, and Chiefs/Rams is looking like what I want to bet on, taking the Rams.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Just tell him to check the back pages of
LV Weekly…………………………………….
Way to many
Sailors tryed getting those back on the ship when we were in the gulf.
if you're a Ram fan
don’t bet with your heart…it’ll make you poorer in the end
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Definitely not a Rams fan
I bet against them just about every week the first 8 weeks of the season, and now I’m just wondering if I should just accept the fact that they don’t seriously suck that much anymore.
I’m going for an upset, but I’m not sure they would actually be the underdogs now that I think about it because they are at home.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I'm not quite sure on the rules for craps
But I’d be willing to give it a try. I also want to play roulette.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
roulette scares me
basically with craps, you place an initial bet. Someone rolls two dice, if they roll 7 or 11, it pays 1:1. If they roll a 3 it’s craps and you lose what’s on the table. Anything else, that becomes the number to get again, if they manage to hit it again, you get payed 1:1 on your initial bet, if they get 7 or 11 it’s craps and you lose it.
There are other bets you can do once their is a number on, but that’s where it starts getting complicated
I really don’t like Las Vegas, so I will probably not enjoy any of this in the near future.
Winter is coming.
Where you say 1:1, do you really mean 2:1? I.e. if you bet a dollar, you get back that dollar plus another dollar ($2 in all) so you win a dollar free and clear? If you just get back your initial dollar (1:1), how do you ever win any money?
It's French for "Take my money, please".
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry. I mean anything travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?"
play 3 card poker
ante, pair plus and play every hand with a face card and, assuming you came with enough money, you’ll win most hands with nothing but a King or ace high.
Disregard females, acquire currency.
This
Learn to play a game that has skill involved.
You can go to the casinos early in the day and get lessons on how to play.
those games are so involved though. Getting one hot roller in a game of craps then walk away from the table and you’ll have throwin around money for a few hours, go get blitzed somewhere
Yep and you can put $100 on black 10 rolls in a row and walk away with $1100 if you get lucky.
Not the smartest play though.
I do like craps though. Fun fast game. Plenty of action.
I once won $750 in Reno
when I went up there one year for the Big West basketball tourney. All roulette and blackjack, just lucky streaks. But I agree, you play long enough it will take a bite outta your ass. Mastering a game of skill is the best way to go.
My uncle’s home away from home for decades was Vegas, a high roller. One night he stayed up all night and won like 60 grand playing poker. Nuts.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
About a month ago, I watched this guy walk up to the roulette wheel and get 4 $25 chips and put 2 on 7 and 1 on 11 and 1 on 0/00 split.
It hit 11. $875.
He then put $50 on 7 and $50 on 11 and it hit 7. $1750.
Walked away.
I was in shock
that's like my dream!
My birthday is July 11…I hope to pull that off one day with similar results
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
I took home 2200 in craps one weekend
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 7, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
hey hee came hee seop'd he choi'd
would it be weird if i asked you what kind of law you practice?
Winter is coming.
I'm not a lawyer
I’m a paralegal at Omelveny
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 7, 2010 6:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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OT - But not
Harry Potter, Bill James, a 9-year old daughter and a sabremetric look at quidditch - Only Joe P. could tie it all together
Oeltjen is back
on a minor league deal with a spring training invite, per Tony Jackson. Also, they are close with Juan Castro on a minor league deal as well. What about that whole “left the team” thing last year with Castro? Jackson explains:
Castro played in one game for the Dodgers on Aug. 15 after being released by the Philadelphia Phillies, then was sent to the minors. The Dodgers tried to call him up in September, but discovered he was ineligible due to a rule technicality.
Could have had something to do with his status at the time on the Isotopes roster, maybe? I’m just grasping at straws here.
Must be under 52 to be a minor league call up
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
According to reports
Tony Jackson sees him as the centerpiece in the Prince Fielder trade
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Tony Jackson sees him as the centerpiece
of the universe
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Prince Fielder
Ok….I keep hearing his name come up with the Dodgers in a possbile trade? Any truth to this or has anyone heard anything about it? Who is involved if?
The rumor was Broxton and Loney for Fielder. It seemed to be shot down rather quickly.
I don’t expect anything to come of it.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
There was some talk earlier about the Rangers moving Michael Young. It appears the Rockies were the ones expressing interest in Young, per Tracy Ringolsby. No idea as to the players or even likelihood (seems far fetched).
Rockies like collecting infielders
as much as the Dodgers like collecting pitchers.
Maybe they’ll have Young play 1B, compleate his infield journey.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure what to make of Gwynn Jr’s BABIP luck. His K-rate and walk rates have been average, but if you chart his LD% vs BABIP, nothing makes sense, except that he’s a part time player and has NO power. But still, the 18.6% LD rate makes a .236 BABIP look low for a guy who’s got some decent speed.
I hate Gwynn getting 500 at bats
but love his non-slump skills of speed and defense for the dollars off the bench
good move if he is number 5 OF
Mariano Duncan (now Double A hitting coach with Cubs)
sounds like someone who didn’t want to leave LA:
“I leave with a broken heart,” said Duncan. “I thank the Dodgers organization for giving me the opportunity to start my career and play in the Major Leagues and then for the coaching opportunity. I have great memories. I wish the situation hadn’t ended like this, but I wish Ned Colletti and the organization the best. I’m very disappointed to leave, but I have no hard feelings. I thank Frank McCourt for giving me the opportunity to come back.”
very classy guy
good luck Mariano!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
(sniff)
stop…….i’m getting ferklempt…….talk amongst youselves…….
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Same game as the 4+1, best live game for me
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 7, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
You couldn’t tell what he yelled, but Peavy had hit someone during the inning or brushed em back. After the last out, Duncan said something to him while walking across the diamond. It got Jake really pissed. I think Duncan did it to get in his head and throw off the concentration. It worked. I remember thinking that game was long gone when Penny gave up 4 runs by the first two innings (all from memory, might be off)
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 7, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I wish him the best
hope to have him back in the fold at some point
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
When I was single
Which was an eon ago – I was bumming around costa rica surfing and having your run of the mill best of times
While there, I met a lovely young lady from the Dominican, she was very lovely, but from certain angles and in certain light she looked just a bit too much like Mariano Duncan
Which was a bummer then…but makes me laugh and happy today
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 7, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
The extra long gerry curl had you fooled. Maybe it was him. Was it off season? Maybe he let his hair grow long………..yeah that was a funny story.
by The Real Pancho on Dec 7, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Midseason trade piece right there
I wonder which prospect we have lined up for that one.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Ludwick
now there’s a solution…….
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
What would it take to get him? He would be a good fit. He has good power and would be a stopgap guy and allow Robinson or Sands to take over in 2012.
good question
division rival, so who knows.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Ken_Rosenthal
Market for Russell Martin intensifying. #Yankees, #RedSox, #Blue Jays varying levels of interest. #MLB
Bill Plaschke
Do you have a favorite home-run call? Pull it out. Dust it off. Shout it into the crisp December air. Shout it until it starts to sound like spring.
Something is leaving the yard, and it’s something big.
Something is sailing away, and we should pour out of our dugouts to dance.
Get sports scores and updates, delivered to your mobile phone. Text SPORTS to 52669.
Something long awaited by Dodger baseball fans could be might be and is.
The McCourts are outta here!!
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-mccourt-20101208,0,7526319.column
FTFY
boy is he going to look silly if they don’t sell
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
My favorite line is the one about getting sports scores and updates. Classic Plaschke.
by kinbote on Dec 7, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
noted
that was my dry humor implying that Plaschke is an asswipe no-talent hack
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
well, look no further
They never bought the Cliff Lees. They continually bought the Vicente Padillas.
Really?
Winter is coming.
Like
don’t get me wrong, I love me some Cliff Lee, but Padilla has won me over. It’s the eephus. Chicks dig the soap bubble.
Winter is coming.
he's still mad over this
Gone will be the folks who continually raised the cost of parking while lengthening the wait for a hot dog.
Winter is coming.
guh
The McCourts thought it was cute to have the stadium rules read on the video board by Snoop Dogg, the rapper known for his drug use. Then they wondered why their building was being increasingly filled with troublemakers.
Yeah, that’s right. That’s exactly why troublemakers came to DS…to see Snoop D-O-Double-G was reading the motherfucking rules.
Winter is coming.
Troublemakers definitely weren’t here before Snoop or the McCourts showed up.
BTW, reading these snippets from you guys is hilarious. I can’t believe this is real.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
dude
The McCourts thought it was cool to treat drug-suspended Manny Ramirez like a king, even keeping his Mannywood throne warm while he traveled the minor leagues in style. Then they wondered why he never really worked hard for them again.
WHAT FUCKING WORLD DOES HE LIVE IN?!
Winter is coming.
He sure is swinging for the fences on this one.
by Michael White on Dec 7, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
so
if the Angels played Snoop Dogg on their video board, all the riff raff from the neighboring towns in central OC would descend upon Angels Stadium in a teeming horde of filth and decay. But the Angels wouldn’t do that, since they’re a class organization.
whatev
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Plaschke has always wanted to be able to write like Jim Murray
and he just can’t do it. Keeps picking the battles to fight.
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
The FJM folks need to have a crack at this gem.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
sadly, that site called it quits a few moons ago
by Josie Becker on Dec 7, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
I know :-(
though I think they are sort of doing similar pieces for Deadspin once in awhile?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
maybe, I don’t really read deadspin, I need something more alive
by Josie Becker on Dec 7, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Who's left?
Maggs
Damon
Thames
Nady
Hawpe
Ankiel
Edmonds
Kearns
Melky
Guillen
Melky is basically Gwynn and Guillen is a cancer, so we can cross them off. Maggs and Damon are going to be expensive. Hawpe, Ankiel, and Edmonds are all LH.
That leaves us with Thames, Nady or Kearns as the RH platoon guy.
well
they spent this much money……….
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
/joins him in laughing
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
This is going to be one really boring team in 2011...
Not much runs to be scored.
No exciting rookies trying to make their mark.
Besides Kershaw, what player do you make time to really want to see on a nightly basis?
Severe lack of star power, lack of interest, just a hodge podge of veterans..
Marketing experts – what do the Dodgers do?
Kuo
if hes not pitching, I wanna see him pinch hitting. Same for Jansen
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
especially if an NL West team picks up John Maine
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 7, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Just because Billingsley or Kuo aren't stars
doesn’t mean I don’t want to see them. The same goes for Kemp and Ethier.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Well the diehards are going to show up no matter what.
But to the average fan….how does the marketing team even market the Dodgers?
Who’s on the cover of the media guy, or on all the commercials?
Kershaw – “come see the best left hander to grace the Dodger uniform since Koufax”
Matt Kemp – “you know, Rihanna’s boyfriend”
After that I got nothin..
I would bet money on Kershaw on the cover of the 2011 guide.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Juan Rivera is a cancer?
since when?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
He will probably be available
if they sign crawford
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
He had that one argument
with Posada
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
he tried to date an ex of mine
but she wasn’t havin’ it
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
my point exactly
With Gibbons already in the fold, a very good defensive outfielder but no hits with Gwynn why not give Hoffman a chance. After 20 games if nothing happens perhaps a trade can be worked out, or you bring Sands up. If not you pursue a trade.
ed_price
Word @ meetings has #Rockies on Russell Martin, along w/#BlueJays, #Yankees, #RedSox. Bos would sign him as starting C (Salty has opt left).
Ive missed a lot of good stuff since the end of the world series
Is the TBLA tshirt slogan still up for suggestions? Because I hope someone threw “blame kemp” and “broxton is not our guy” in there.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
Courtesy of TJ in the LAT
“Who do you think Frank considers the bigger disappointment, Jonathan Broxton at $7 million a year, or Jamie at $7.6 million a year in support payments?’
Pretty funny and also probably true…….
I dont think anyone has an interest in him.
He doesnt hit enough to play 1st or DH….and he cant play another position either.
He could probably be a right handed bench bat for some team..
he was hurt last year
his 09 was awesoke
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Loney's defense makes him a start on a team without a power hitting 1b
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
You’re overestimating Loney’s value on defense, and underestimating how much offense a regular 1B is required.
...
I didn’t say I think Loney should be the starting 1B for our team, but he could easily be the starter for the Mariners, could have challeneged to start on the A’s, the Orioles, possibly Atlanta (blanking on their 1B situation besides Glaus), Houston, Cleveland, and possibly a few other teams.
Wherever Loney ends up he will be a starter, and it will likely be for his defense and rbi numbers.
I completely get what a 1B should give offensively, which is why I don’t care if we get someone who is a butcher on defense at 1B as long as they can mash the ball.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
What about here
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
It took me a week to figure out who the hell your pops was.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
I think most people were confused at first, haha
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Lee will find a home somewhere, no question. There’s always Baltimore.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
They are a good retirement home for washed up former sluggers..
Sammy Sosa, Garret Atkins, Cesar Izturis…
I like the progression of that list.
…Mark Reynolds?
kidding
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
So Tony Gwynn Jr will be an Oriole eventually?
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 7, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Carrie Muskat (MLB.com) says it’s for $10 million
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
HOW MANY STARTERS DO YOU WANT NED?
LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — The Los Angeles Dodgers have made at least one contact with the Kansas City Royals at this week’s winter meetings, Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti said Tuesday. Although Colletti wouldn’t identify what players were discussed, the call clearly was about the same player almost every call to the Royals is about these days, former American League Cy Young Award winner Zack Greinke.
But lets do it anyway.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=5896878
2010 WAR
Greinke – 5.2
Billinsgley – 4.6
I’m not saying Billinglsey is as good as Greinke, but last year it was pretty close between the two, and Chad’s got a smaller salary to deal with. Also, I know the 2009 splits wouldn’t be anywhere near as close, but that doesn’t help my point :P
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Grenike 2009 WAR
A lot.
But I wouldnt do the trade for other reasons.
1. If we had any owners but these dicks, Bills is locked up.
2. Well thats it.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
I'd rather keep Bills and the prospects it would take to get him
and get maybe 1-2 less WAR per year for a cheaper price. Billingsley has the potential to be a number 1 starter, he just will likely be saddled behind Kershaw in the rotation as long as they are teammates because Kershaw has a higher ceiling.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I would trade Bills 20 minutes ago if I thought Grenike could be locked up and the Dodgers werent completely fucked with cash problems.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
It wouldn’t just take Billingsley, and that is a problem. For one thing, locking Greinke up would take >15 million dollars a year for at least lets say 5 years or so. My guess would be 18 million a year for 5 years. Sure he’s a great pitcher, and his 2009 season was possibly a top 20 season ever, but is he really that pitcher or the one we saw in 2008 and 2010, a great pitcher, but not really elite.
I honestly do think Billingsley will put up lower numbers, but not by that much, and for a lot less money, even long term. That’s just my take on it.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
thing is though
and I know this is the constant joke here, but I don’t think KC would want Billz. Isn’t he close to FA as well? I think they’d want guys who are still prospects but are close to the majors.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
They shouldn’t trade a guy 2 years away from free agency in Greinke for a guy also 2 years from free agency in Billingsley, unless they want him plus a couple of our top prospects and then they sign Bills to an extension, because his will be cheaper than Greinke’s would, but they know Greinke wouldn’t resign after his current deal.
That’s some logic I could see in them going after Billingsley in a trade. But you do make a good point.
If they want people 1 or two years away they should look at maybe Texas or Cincinatti, and go after one of their very top prospects then a few or a couple lower guys.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I really think the Grienke talk
is overblown. I’m sure it’s just Ned doing his due diligence.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
I know it’s not actually going anywhere. That’s fine with me. Why focus on getting a pitcher when we need hitting? Fine by me that we aren’t going after him, haha.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I know it would take more and if the Dodgers weren’t owned by McCourt maybe we wouldn’t have a completely barren farm system. I’m just talking fantasy dream planet right now.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
that planet is nice
i have my own……ahhhhhh….soo awesoke…….
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
I'm here right now
there is beautiful everywhere! oh wait, porn site. nvm.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
Futurama is on every tv all the time ;)
Speaking of which, i’m going through all the seasons on Netflix at work while I’m working. Got through season 1 and a few of season 2. It’s just amazing how this show never gets old and makes me laugh every time. Ultimate mood booster.
Funny thing about watching and listening to stuff while I’m working is that I’m actually more productive now, possibly because I’m in a better mood.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Ned's answer to Tripon
more
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
well Eric, in many ways Big Boy never left
he’s always offered the same high-quality meals at competitive prices :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Russell Martin
Steve Henson of Yahoo! says Martin wanted $5.5m from the Dodgers, not $5m as was previously reported (by Gurnick, Jackson, and Hernandez):
Russell Martin turned away from the Los Angeles Dodgers because they insisted on cutting his guaranteed salary from the $5.05 million he was paid in 2010. The Dodgers’ final offer was a guaranteed $4.2 million with incentives worth from $1.5 million to $1.7 million if he played in 125 games, a source said. Martin wanted a guaranteed $5.5 million, a raise of nearly 10 percent.
Henson also pointed out that it is unlikely Martin will get what the Dodgers offered, on the free market.
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all Russel wanted was for the Dodgers to keep his salary consistent with the rate of inflation
by Josie Becker on Dec 7, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Are we really completely out on him?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Only way a return is possible
is when he sees the FA market not as lucrative as what the Dodgers offered. Even then, not sure Dodgers would go that high after Barajas.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
I just have a hard time
believing we wouldn’t at least wait to see what the market for him ended up being before rushing to give barajas cash money.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I mean it happened
but…
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
It's still possible
But that scenario is probably also one in which the Dodgers also want to use Martin part time in LF, which screams of Todd Hundley on the Mets (maybe not that bad).
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Bill Hall's still available no?
There’s that.
I liked Diaz ok but not nearly enough to get bummed out about it.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
It seems last season he hit righties way better than he hit lefties...
fwiw.
.283 /.346 /.495/.841
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Career splits
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=hallbi03&year=Career&t=b
not as strong in career but splits are pretty close
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’Tis a tough place to be, this LF wasteland of ours.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
I vote we start a charity for signing Crawford. I can pitch in $4.33
by Josie Becker on Dec 7, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
First base, catcher and team OBP also seem to qualify as a wasteland.
Seeing as it is more than a left field wasteland, I suppose it is acceptable to cry or raise your eye.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 7, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Rule 5 eligible players by team
Anyone here people have interest in the Dodgers grabbing? (If they could make the team)
LA has quite a few names as we know, but of those only Justin Miller and maybe M Wallach are the ones I’d worry about losing. Can’t really picture anyone sticking on a mlb roster all season. Except maybe Miller.
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Brandon will have a Dodger-centric Rule 5 preview tomorrow morning
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
One more Hall thing before bed
From Nick Cafardo:
Nick also reports the Dodgers have a lot of interest in Bill Hall.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/12/red_sox_and_met.html
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I could be talked into Bill Hall I suppose
It would give the Dodgers quite a few options defensively:
rhb Uribe 2B/SS/3B
rhb Carroll 2B/SS/3B
rhb Hall 3B/LF/2B
lhb Gibbons “LF”/1B
lhb Gwynn OF
rhb Blake 3B/1B
rhb Barajas C/CF
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
The dude just likes playing at home, what can I say?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Salary estimates?
1 yr $4m seems reasonable.
2 yr $14m seems probable.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 7, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Bill Hall's WAR
2006: 5.0
2007-2010 combined: 2.9
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 7, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
Heh
He had a nice bounceback year. Something like 1/$5m or 2/$9m wouldn’t surprise me at all. Kind of a weird market.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Come on Bernie
One more solid move and i’ll give you two thumbs up for the offseason. Am I missing something on Greineke? Playing games that don’t matter he has had one good year. I’d rather take my chances with Billingsley, unless of course we are going to a 7 man rotation.
Bernie?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
OMG
it looks just like him!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'm assuming
he’s refering to Colletti’s striking resemblance to Bernie from Weekend at Bernie’s.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Actually
Greinke’s had at least 3 good seasons, one of them being an all-time amazing season. But I would rather stick with Billingsley and the prospects it would take to get him.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
they (Greinke/Bills) have the same exact era+ for their careers…which is odd. I believe in Billingsley though..I don’t know why..but I do.
Trying to figure out Martin
With supposedly only 3 teams seriously interested in Martin and according to Steve Henson it is unlikely that Martin will get more guaranteed money then the Dodgers originally offered, why is his agent doing him such a disservice
Both sides gambled
Martin’s agent probably figures that the Dodgers will still be there in the end if Martin doesn’t get what he wants on the open market.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
One year and one day
after I got Arrested Development (all 3 seasons) for $29 on Amazon, it’s now available again on Amazon…for $28.
Well, as long as it’s not still in the shrink wrap, there’s no shame in that.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 8, 2010 12:45 AM PST up reply actions
netflix streaming
you fool!
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Per Dejan Kovacevic
Matt Diaz’s deal is two years, $4.25 million. I like that deal.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 6:56 AM PST via mobile reply actions
because it was being reported as being “north” of 4 mil, I was expecting something higher than 4.25, but that’s chill.
Winter is coming.
Because of the Grienke and Bills talk
I changed my avatar to the 2009 UD Bills and Grienke autograph/jersey card!
Bronson Arroyo
Has deferred money in his new (2011-13) contract that has the Reds paying him until 2021
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 7:30 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Perefrct comment on which to end the post
New post up
http://sbn.to/gptWNe
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 7:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
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