You Down With OBP?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 9:45 PM PST
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So far this offseason, the Dodgers have signed five offensive players:
- Jay Gibbons
- Juan Uribe
- Rod Barajas
- Tony Gwynn
- Dioner Navarro
Gwynn and Navarro are pending physicals, but will be official soon enough. Anyway, in 2010 those five hitters combined to hit .233/.299/.395 in 1,475 plate appearances.
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I'm no Bill James
but doesn’t this suck? :)
Anyway, in 2010 those five hitters combined to hit .233/.299/.395 in 1,475 plate appearances.
For those that have been around for at least 6 months, I think they realize I’m the opposite of a stat guy.
I ask about FIP and X-FIP and someone posts a link to the defintion.
That shit might as well be in Latin.
.395 slugging
sucks in any language, most notably math
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Just means they're due
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by Pure Azure on Dec 8, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Gotcha.
Guy at the office the other day talking about betting on the Redskins. “Dude, they’re due.”
Keep betting with that philosphy and you’ll be washing windows for change every morning.
they're an NFL team
they can’t be THAT bad, right?
I find myself at the beginning of every season saying the same about Jim Loney.
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Has there been a great hitter named James?
Jim Rice, Jimmie Foxx, anybody else??
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Shitty fielder though
Never liked wearing a glove.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We've been great for a while.
It’s just nice for the rest of the country to finally notice the quality hoops being played at Montezuma Mesa.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
They’ve been building a respectable program since Steve Fisher came aboard.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
OK, great was maybe overdoing it, but they’ve been playing very good ball for a while now. Did you happen to watch the Aztecs in the MWC tournament last year?
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
back when Michael Cage was there.
GO AZTECS
Hating the Giants for going on a half century and counting!
by MammothDodger on Dec 9, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
agree to disagree
I’d make fancy with Momma Kardashian ;0
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I guess I remember a block quote on Ellsbury playing CF, but I didn’t connect that to Crawford. I was going 100 on the autobahn and mothefuckers were passing me!
If it is, I need to be like the dude in the AT & T commercial that changes his ticket at the last minute to ride by his future wife.
“Hey babe, even though your nose is weird, we’re cool, right?”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Right now
The over/under on Tony Gwynn 2011 OF starts for the Dodgers is 38½
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
if you close your eyes and by into the notion that defense
is hard to measure, and misunderstood, and maybe worth more that we somethings think because it is not obvious like offense
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
So, basically the Dodgers had a notably weak offense in 2010, and in this offseason they’ve managed to sign players who hit below the 2010 team’s avg and obp.
Now that was a play out of the timeout by the Clippers.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
seconded
D-FUCKING-FISH!!!!!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
lakers needed an uplifting thing to happen to the franchise you know..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 8, 2010 10:03 PM PST reply actions
Derek Fisher hit a running bank shot from ~4 feet at the buzzer. 87-86 LAL win
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
If I were a female magician, and owned my own performance theater, I would call it the Magic Box.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Stats sometimes lie
Uribe Barajas and Gibbons will get most of the AB’s next year in this group. Last year these 3 had 890 AB’s and had 40 2b’s and 45 HR’s between the 3. About 1 in every 10ab’s will result in either a double or HR!
If Loney, Ethier and Kemp improve a bit and Furcal stays healthy, this added offense will helpl. It ain’t perfect and I might have done things different, but you have to look at these guys as a part of the team…However, they can’t sign Pods
Since we're kinda talking NBA for the moment...
…I heard on ESPN tonight that Bill Simmons will providing commentary during the 2nd half of the Heat/Warriors game Friday night. Despite my LeBron hate, that might be worth tuning in for.
I'm in the midst of finals week
but what did i jsut miss here with crawford, he’s headed to Boston..I left for the Library thinking he was heading to the west coast?
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
7/$142 to Red Sox.
Apparently Angels offered $108m last month, presumed over 6 years
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
sorry Maddzy
don’t remember that one.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
So the Dodgers just signed Navarro
How are you tonight monseiur?
Better.
Better sir?
Better get a bucket. I’m gonna throw up.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 8, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
haha well i've kinda been in lurk mode for a while, which ends up being just as deadly : )
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holy smokes
and to top it off I know understand D fish hit a game winner? Apologies to all the clipper fans, were we down 2 and he hit a three or were we down 1 and he hit a 2?
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I’m pretty sure @trubludad is Dodger pitching prospect Brandon Martinez’s dad, and his response to my tweet of this article was:
please stop depressing me with the terrible stats! #FML
Literally Laughed Out Loud
/thinking of Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber walking out of the bar….“We landed on the Moon!”
Usually just 12 cops pulling up to a trailer….
Some redneck getting shoved into a cruiser screamin “Don’t let that Bitch smoke my cigarettes.”
No fun
you people are freaks
life doesn’t get any more boring
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
i remember when that one happened
but I didn’t see it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
seriously though
if your tires are gone, you’re not getting to Mexico dude.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
being a dodger fan at the winter meetings is like
being a Jehovah’s Witness at Christmas.
All the other kids are playing with shiny new toys, their crawfords and werths and lees while you get to play with the same broken toys you had before, some of which you threw away, only to see them return in worse shape than before
anyone want a subscription to the Watchtower?
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2010 10:12 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Great analogy
I saw someone on Twitter earlier today describe tomorrow’s Rule 5 draft like this:
It is like Black Friday, in that you wake up early just to pick up junk that you end up returning a few months later anyway.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
So this high (low speed) chase you are glued to after that clipper game is right near my house. In fact the helicopters are overhead and I live right near the freeway just past the Avery exit.
would be cool
seeing a heli-shot of someone we know running around in boxers and a t-shirt
1
2
3
go!
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
It’d be silverwidow and none of us would recognize him
Winter is coming.
by Maddz on Dec 8, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
San Juan Capistrano. If they hadn’t cut away I would have thrown on Dodger pullover with a white sign on the back that said ::::: FU Ned .233/.299/.395 in 1,475 PA
by Jason Ungar on Dec 8, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Now that would be some quick mobilization.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
right
I mixed up Bake with Avery, anyway I’ll be down there in less than 2 weeks to refresh my memory
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possibly
depends if Batman can give me a ride in his cruiser
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Good ole Fisher
but you have to love what the youngest starting lineup in NBA history is doing. Blake may be getting all the attention but Eric Gordon is turning in to a 4th qtr beastie
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Clippers played a good game
Griffin be a beast, but Gordon and Bledsoe are good too.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
I was talking about the Clippers
but yes, that runaway tank was great! Also because it ended with the dude taking dozens of bullets in the end.
/I am slightly morbid
by Eric Stephen on Dec 8, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
From Laker blogger Dexter Fishmore
The Lakers had zero offensive rebounds in the second half tonight.
It was weird cause as Fish was laying away the Clippers
I heard sirens and the helicopter and then bam it was on TV..I can
This just in
KCAL reporter Melissa McCarthy has too much botox in her lips.
Also, the police seargant in the video clip is named Publicker. COME ON!!!! That’s too easy. A slight pronunciation adjustment, and it’s hours of fun!!!
just a thought..
Maybe Ned is trying to help our pitchers by keeping our offense off the field so our pitchers don’t get rusty in the dugout??
He is just doing his part
to bring game times under 3 hours
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Two late night deals
The Kansas City Royals are nearing an agreement on a one-year major league contract with outfielder Melky Cabrera, a source told FOXSports.com early Thursday.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Melky-Cabrera-to-sign-with-Kansas-City-Royals-120810
The Twins have agreed to send J.J. Hardy and infielder Brendan Harris to Baltimore in exchange for minor-league pitchers Brett Jacobson and Jim Hoey.
Melky and Frenchy
I won’t be as complainy about the Dodger outfield for a long while…
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I'm s till going by assumption that Gwynn will be defensive sub
not a full timer. If I’m wrong then feh, feh on them both.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Dayton Moore is like Ned Colletti, only with Braves instead of Giants
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2010 10:31 PM PST reply actions
this is why
we must get Greinke. To complete the circle.
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My cat doesn't understand light
He likes to chase shadows, right? Cute, even funny when he launches himself at the wall, but when I turn out the light, he starts scratching at the wall to get the light to come back.
The walls are plaster. FML.
Winter is coming.
by Maddz on Dec 8, 2010 10:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Maddz, just put up a picture of Eric on your wall
then it’s more fun if he scratches it all to pieces.
:-P
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Juice in a box
Ok, that sounds wrong
"Misery loves company money"
by angelofdeath on Dec 8, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
I was pondering earlier,
is Jack in the Box a nickname for John in the Box?
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
The Parallax View
Look at Juan Uribe. Now close one eye and look at Rod Barajas. Rotate your head from right to left. Does it look like Barajas is moving? Now close your other eye and focus on Dionar Navarro. Can you see the whole picture? Next, imagine Juan Uribe in a checkerboard field. Tony Gwynn enters the periphery. The camera slowly pans to Jay Gibbons. What the fuck is he doing here? This isn’t working.
by kinbote on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
We're in the business of reporting the news, not creating it.
Nicely done sir.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Or
Look at Juan Uribe. Now close one eye and look at Rod Barajas
Now take out the knife very slowly…
"Misery loves company money"
by angelofdeath on Dec 8, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
and shake it all aoubt!
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Speaking of OBP
KenTremendous: It’s very hard for me to believe that paying $142 million for a 29 year-old guy with a .337 career OBP is a good idea.
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he has a point
What is a good again Matt Kemp going to cost
He is going to be good again
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
scary part
between this deal and the Werth one, Boston did the safer play
madness!
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Boston did the safer play
Which is weird, since they gave JD Drew a deal, knowing full well emotional distress gets him on the DL…
"Misery loves company money"
by angelofdeath on Dec 8, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
besides his age
and merely being very good?
nothing
fine player with a contract that doesnt match
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
If Werth is merely good, then what do you consider Crawford?.
Werth’s career OBP is .367.
And he has more power than Crawford.
They are both good defensive players.
Yeah, but as we all know
The AL is awesome, the NL doesn’t count…
/ESPN’d
"Misery loves company money"
by angelofdeath on Dec 8, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Agree...i've never been that big of fan of Carl Crawford either..
Doesnt hit many homers and doesnt walk much.
He’s a function of BABIP and gets his SLG’ing from a bunch of triples – how can you count on that year to year…especially as you age and slow down?
Crawford's a nice player
but that contract screams Julio Lugo to me. He’s just a better version of Lugo.
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that describes a shitload of players
but most definitely not any of the dudes we’ve signed.
Who is Karim Garcia? Who is he to challenge me?
by Who Is Karim Garcia? on Dec 8, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Crawford’s a carer .780 OPS corner OF’er.
Now if the Red Sox played him in CF…they’d get a much better value.
But as a corner OF’er…..I’d hate this deal if the Dodgers had done it.
We'll sign him in 8 years
when he has bum knees. Count it.
Who is Karim Garcia? Who is he to challenge me?
by Who Is Karim Garcia? on Dec 8, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
For some reason
Alfonso Soriano comes to mind. Except that Crawford is a better defender, and never went 40-40.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 8, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Guessing
Beltran, Manny, Soriano?
Who is Karim Garcia? Who is he to challenge me?
by Who Is Karim Garcia? on Dec 8, 2010 11:22 PM PST reply actions
40 man Roster
Is the Dodger 40 man roster full now or is the Padellia and Navarro signings still pending? Can the Dodgers participate in the Rule 5 tomorrow?
I had my Criminal Law exam this evening, so I've been studying most of the last day and a half
Are the Dodgers good yet?
Red Sox lineup..
C: Varitek/Saltalamacchia
1B: Gonzalez
2B: Pedroia
SS: Scutaro
3B: Youk
LF: Crawford
CF: Cameron
RF: Drew
DH: Papi
Thats pretty good.
No place for Ryan Kalish in there?
Too bad…
"Misery loves company money"
by angelofdeath on Dec 8, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
if half their team is injured again this year and they miss the playoffs again, I’m nicknaming them the Supermets
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
But the Angels already somebody at 3rd
Brandon WooHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Misery loves company money"
by angelofdeath on Dec 8, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
Soooo....
Are we really going with jay gibbons and tony gwynn jr as our leftfielders for next year??? If so, we’re in really bad shape. Does anyone think Ned is realistically trying to make a trade for a power hitter or is that just the media playing tricks with us?
by Nicholas Gentili on Dec 9, 2010 12:17 AM PST reply actions
TGwynn
doesn’t seem a likely LF platoon partner with Gibbons. Both bat LH for one thing. I think Eric is right that he is here to be the all-purpose defensive replacement and occasional starter.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Yup, understandable. Still though, I’m not confident with our 3rd outfielder situation. I hope Ned is able to work out a miracle trade.
by Nicholas Gentili on Dec 9, 2010 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
Does Deadspin moderate their comments for spam?
I really cannot think of any reason why they would have an approval process for comments otherwise.
Rule 5 Draft results
Pirates take Josh Rodriguez from Indians
Mariners take Jose Flores from Indians.
Diamondbacks take Joe Paterson from Giants.
Orioles take Adrian Rosario from Brewers.
Royals take Nathan Adcock from Pirates.
Nationals take Elvin Ramirez from Mets.
Cubs take Mason Tobin from Angels.
Astros take Aneury Rodriguez from Rays.
Brewers take Pat Egan from Royals.
Mets take Brad Emaus from Blue Jays.
Padres take George Kontos from Yankees.
Twins take Scott Diamond from Braves.
Yankees take Robert Fish from Angels.
Rays take Cesar Cabral from Red Sox.
Phillies take Michael Martinez from Nationals.
And a few more
Nationals take Brian Broderick, RHP, from Cardinals
Astros take Lance Pendleton, RHP, from Yankees
Mets take Pedro Beato, RHP, from Orioles
Yankees take Daniel Turpen, RHP, from Red Sox
Dodgers didn't pick anyone and no Dodgers were selected except
a few minor names in the Triple A phase including Jaime Ortiz, Fausto Mier and Matthew Sartor.
I think Brad Emaus by the Mets is an interesting pick. Also Robert Fish pick by the Yankees could possibly stick as a loogie. They have a weak pen and he is a power WAL.
Thanks for all this
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Should I have made it a fanpost?
I thought about it, but figured Brandon would do some sort of write-up.
If we had selected someone
or had someone selected a fanpost would have been great but since we sat it out I think this will suffice.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
We're over 400 comments in this article already
We may need that as a front page article!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
yeah i was thinking that we could move it over later
if we get as many comments today as yesterday
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 9, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
can anyone remember the last time....
two top tier offensive players were picked up by the same team during the same offseason? Yankees blew their wad on AJ, CC & Tex, but I can’t recall two players of Crawford & AGon’s caliber going to the same squad during the same off season.
I feel like they sucked out quite a bit of air in the Yankees sails.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
as busy as we have been
our moves are so minute compared to these other additions, and even the moves we have made are for players who notoriously have very low AVG/SLG/OBP :(
I just can’t see us standing pat and expecting to compete, there’s no way. Even if our pitching is stellar, there is no way to put up runs like some of these other lineups that are built.
I don’t want to complain here, but either we need to come to terms with the fact that we are not going to be a very strong team, or we need to make a comparable offensive addition (and I don’t see that happening.))
I think I would be more accepting of this fact if we were a small market club, but we’re not.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
You are aware that the Dodgers don’t play in the AL East, right?
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
We’re trying to win championships here Michael White, not division titles. We all play in the AL East!
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I disagree
The Giants proved that all you have to do is get into the playoffs, then with good pitching, and a little luck you can win championships.
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
Sorry, my faceitiousness didn’t show through as brightly as I well as it could have.
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I think G. Scott agrees and was being sarcastic.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
how long before a team built like the Giants win it all again?
I know I know….there have been some questionable Champions during the 2000’s but I think that BOS & NYY are setting the table to where that won’t happen during 2011-2020
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Everyone says that every winter
after they make all their moves, but they dont’ have a huge number of WC over the last ten years. Yankee’s add Lee, they lose Pettite. The Red Sox add AGon/Crawford but they have lost Manny/Ortiz so they are no better they used to be and that pitching to me is still a huge ???
Both of those teams still need to beat the Ray’s pitching, who while losing Crawford add the exact same kind of player in Jennings, they add the best pitching prospect in baseball when Hellickson takes to the mound, they still could move some pitching for hitting. Hopefully Manny ends up there as a DH.
I’m not ready to had either of those teams the crown yet.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Mine was a little too bold of a statement
I realize that now. Wouldn’t you attribute a lot of the Ray’s success to their succession of top picks? Their payroll certainly isn’t the “it factor”. Then again payroll isn’t everything. I’m finally reading that money ball book and it’s kind of crazy what the A’s were able to pull off. The Ray’s are having even better results because of their draft positioning in the past.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I hear you Michael
but what are our aspirations? Everyone is different. I used to think I would just be happy with Divisions but after going to the NLCS back to back years and failing I have changed my ambitions.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Get into the playoffs. It’s a crapshoot ater that point anyway.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
Have to get to the playoffs
to have aspirations for the WC.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
They did lose Beltre
so they have only gained + 1
but at what cost. Those contracts would kill a normal franchise. Going 7 years and all that money on Crawford, Yikes
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Yeah, but........
Teams that sign Beltre suck for the next two years
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
It is pretty crazy
I really, really like both Werth and Crawford, but there are definite questions. With Werth, he has only qualified for the batting title twice, and Crawford is a guy whose value comes in large part from the secondary things that are hard to quantify (defense, baserunning).
I'm partial to Crawford Eric, so my opinion is skewed
back in 2005 I made the statement that if I was going to start a franchise my first pick would have been Crawford (or Pulhos of course). So I really value what he brings to the table, far more than most people.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
This is always a great discussion topic. If you were to have a fantasy draft to build a franchise, who do you choose.
I always end up back at Evan Longoria or Mauer. Though I’d no longer go with mauer because of his contract.
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If contract is part of the discussion
and you have a limited amount of money to spend to build such a franchise
then I think Longoria is by far the number one pick.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
even if you didn’t have a small payroll, let’s say you had 100mil to spend, I think you still go with Longoria. Maybe a guy like Votto, but he plays a position where I could pick up someone marginally worse later on. 3B is barren. My only other idea would have been Carlos Gonzalez. I like starting with middle defenders, C SS CF.
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Longoria would probably be my choice today
but back in 2005 it was Crawford.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Not that long ago
Grady Sizemore would have been in this discussion.
Hanley Ramirez has to be considered, esp if he sticks at SS.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
A couple years ago it always went back to Hanley Ramirez, but he’s an ass. I’m more looking for someone who is team controlled or making a low long-term salary.
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Yeah, if you’re inheriting the contract, you have to go Longoria. I’d probably take Heyward and Posey over HanRam.
forgot about the new crop. I’d pass on heyward because of the abundance of corner OF types, but Posey would have to make me pause on Longoria. Why the Giants didn’t offer him a Longoria contract the second he came up is beyond me.
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Are there concerns
about Posey’s ability to stay at catcher?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I like Cano a lot, but doubt I'd go all in on him
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Crawford and Werth
are very good complementary players getting paid now like superstars. If Ethier has two more great seasons, imagine what he’ll command. And so on, and so forth. Makes it harder to keep good players, even if you’re a quality franchise like the Phillies with a high payroll.
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I can’t wrap my head around the fact that the (Dunn’s offense – Werth’s offense) -(Werth’s defense – Dunn’s defense) = that much more money.
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i can’t wrap my head around the fact that you appear to have just used some sort of quadratic equation. I hate math.
Winter is coming.
i didn’t want to type out that the difference in value between werth and dunn offensively and defensively was worth so much.
but now I have. Thanks.
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I know
but for some reason 4th grade or whenever just popped into my head
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
just busting your balls. I’m impressed you remember 4th grade math. I’m trying to study for the GMAT and it fucking sucks trying to re-learn basic Algebra.
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Quadratic equations are not 4th grade math, unless you are wicked smaht.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
It may have been 7th. I was likely just pining for Mrs. Concannon, the hottest teacher at my elementary school.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
unless you where really good at math or something
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
But
Werth + Facial hair > Dunn + clean shaven, according to their GM
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
I agree the money is too high and the length too...you're totally right there
but they are getting a deal done and it’s for a player who has a very productive track record. I don’t see Crawford falling off the map in a couple of years like some other high priced free agents (way too many to list).
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I fully expect Carl Crawford to be Juan Pierre in 4 years and the Sox pay him 60mil over the last 3 years for him to chill in LF.
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He will never be Juan Pierre
because he has some pop. If anything his speed will slow down (like Damon for example) and his BA/OBP and SB’s will go down, but he will focus more on hitting the ball further.
Good comp
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Guillen and Vladdy?
I’m sure Guillen doesn’t count
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I think Lee is great
but I spent an hour with my buddy (the Yankees fan) this morning doing a comparison, position by position, between the two teams and we couldn’t determine a clear cut winner.
Plus I would like to make the argument that we yet to see AGon’s true power potential because he’s played half his games at Petco. I mean Beltre is a great player but his stats improved exponentially (spelled wrong?) once he moved from Safeco to Fenway.
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My take (which is far from official) is that they just added a Johnny Damon in his prime (Crawford) and a power hitting 1B who could go on a Dunn like string of 40+HR.
When looking at their rotation they are strong 1-5 and although slightly inferior to the Yanks (if they add Lee), they will still be competitive pitching wise to say the least.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Even if the Yankees add Lee, I think the Red Sox rotation is better. Sabbathia/Lee at the top is real strong, but after that it gets shaky. Burnett hasn’t looked great, Hughes was very good for the first part of the season, and who knows who will fill out the back. Red Sox may not have the dominance at the front of their rotation, but 3-5 they’re better.
Best players were
Werth – Nationals
Beltre – still out there but no way he’s headed for Boston or NY so someone else is going to get him
Dunn – White Sox
Crawford – Boston
Lee – FA
Lilly – Dodgers
Kuroda – Dodgers
Uribe – Dodgers
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hee hee
Should I add Barajas instead:)
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His options seem to be limited
with Boston / NYY out of his bidding.
Maybe Texas is trying to move Young because they want to sign Beltre?
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I thought they would get Granick by default?
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If that happened
we would have to take them serious. Some people already do, but I for one thought that TEX & SF were flukes. If TEX got both Lee & Granick then I would certainly recind on them.
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Yes.
It’s all in the FAQ that we haven’t written yet.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
This 7 Year deal stuff
is madness. Simply madness
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Agreed
What long term deals (lets say 6 years or longer) did a team ever get the full value of the player? Jeter?
Okay
but those are HOF in their prime when signed. I’d say none of these players are close to that caliber. These are good to very good players getting ridic contracts, coming off of career years.
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Oh, I completely agree WRT Werth and Crawford.
Just trying to come up with answers to BFDC’s question.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
Okay
but you didn’t get full value, you got four years, then he cratered quickly. These teams are all basically saying, we want you now, knowing full well the pain they will need to endure after about the fourth year. That is a given, not one of Werth, Crawford, or Lee will be earning their contracts by year five.
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True, I suppose.
What about Ichiro? Do you count his 3/14 + 4/44 + 5/90 as a 12/148 deal since he’s never been a free agent?
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good point
but he was the type of player (imo like crawford) where he would be less risky then a lot of other high priced FA
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Magglio for Detroit?
You could say the injuries late, but he earned that contract.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
How was that close to a six year contract?
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He was in Detroit for 6 years. Did he re-sign at one point?
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
Looks like it was 5 years with an option. I’d say that is close to a 6 year contract.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
Time flies
You are right, man was I off on that one, I thought he’d only been there about four years.
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6+ deals that worked out
Pujols signed for 7/$100m (2004-2010), plus an option for 2011 that was picked up
Manny signed for 8/$160m (2001-2008) with Boston
Rolen signed for 8/$90m (2003-2010) with Cards, and played with 3 teams. He only averaged 123 games but I would still say success
Bonds’ first contract with SF was epic. I can’t remember if Maddux’s first deal with Atlanta was 6 years (I don’t think so).
I started writing a list
I had Pulhos and Manny then stopped typing because I couldn’t remember if K. Brown would count
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It's tough
The total value the Dodgers got from Brown probably makes it worth it, but the fact that he was out of commission for roughly a year and a half of the five he was here are major red flags against the deal.
But in the last two years of that contract
Brown pitched and started 22 and 13 games (for the Yankees) and was ok (110 ERA+) and stunk (65 ERA+) respectively, so he didn’t earn it.
The Dodgers got from Jeff Weaver what they hope to get from Jon Garland the next two years – make all your starts and be around 100 ERA+. I don’t think the Dodgers got total value from that contract, though they got a lot closer to it than many people think.
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I think they made a great call on Lowe
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
At this point
aren’t teams ponying up, knowing that they will be overpaying in years 6 and 7 almost certainly?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
they are having to in order to land the big names
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Nice Pull
I don’t really count Pujols though because that bought out a couple of his arb years IIRC. Manny, Rolen, Bonds & Maddux are all good though. And I guess Jeter and ARod.
So basically unless you are a HOFer or Scott Rolen or Magglio Ordonez you shouldn’t get a deal longer than 5 years.
sounds like a good rule of thumb
unless it’s for a Kershaw to buy out arb years….right Ned?
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Here's what I think
If you’re only good enough to make 11mil/year on the open market, you’re either a marginal player in a weak market, or a good but not great player in a strong market. If you’re not a great player, no one should be giving you more than 3 years. No matter the age of the player.
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G.Scott...what do we do for?
Kershaw?
Kemp?
Ethier?
I like Billingsley, but I see a lot of other comparable pitchers out there. Loney will have to go, he’s solid but will never be what we initially predicted.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
1) Extend
2) Wait and see
3) Let walk
I would extend Billingsley.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I let Ethier walk. He’s going to be 30 entering Free agency.
Kemp I pay this year and take him to arb before 2012 and see how the season goes, and if he’s had a good year and a half, extend him.
Kershaw I would give 84/7 right now.
Billingsley I would offer 50/5 today.
Basically, what mike said.
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let's say Ethier
bounces back and has a great year, he should get a decent haul in return eh?
I’m a believer in Kemp, I can’t see him completely falling off. His value has never been lower so I would think if we were going to invest that now would be the time.
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Etheir bounces back from what?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
his ops+ was higher last year
then it was in 09.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
From sucking in the second half
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or, bounces back from his injured finger?
arguably could have had some effect on his late suckiness.
that and the contagiousness of the rest of the team’s Suck virus.
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If Loney and Ethier both play well, I give Loney a 2 year deal after the season, trade Ethier for a pitcher to replace Kuroda, then let Sands play RF and Trayvon play LF and use the money saved to go after jose reyes.
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I'm not sad at all
that we didn’t try to sign those two. Really. I still would like to get in on beltre, but at this rate the dude is going to get 5+ for 16+ per.
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Funny
how Wells contract stands out as a bad one the moment it was signed and how Werth signed the exact same deal. Hope the Nat’s have better luck then the Blue Jays did.
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honestly, I doubt it.
and it was nice to see Wells have a bounceback year.
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Just throwing this out there
Four players in professional sports history have signed for 126/7
Barry Zito
Vernon Wells
Rashard Lewis
Jayson Werth
Maybe 126/7 will be the new 55/5
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weird
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5/55 (that was a Dreifort reference right?)
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My strategy if I were a GM
is that if I messed up horrendously (like Rios or Wells) I would hit #5 on my speed dial…." Hi Kenny? This is Joe with LAD!"
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Steve Garvey, Financially Stable Owner of everyone's hopes and dreams...
…not.
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Eep!
But seriously, Garvey’s been a financial mess. This would make people appreciate the McCourts more. If they want a figurehead ex Dodger I’d prefer one with a lot of money. Mike Piazza? ;)
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I was the biggest Piazza fan for many many years
every backyard HR Derby contest I was automatically Piazza, or else we were fighting. The irony was his ability to perform in real HR derby contests.
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In my mind I was so embarrased
by his home run derby failures.
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you weren't the one
who wore a Piazza jersey to school just about every Friday from 6-8th grade LOL
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if and when
“It’s too early to say,” Cuban said in an e-mail, according to the report. “Let’s see what happens if and when it goes up for sale.”
I like the Navarro signing alot
For a catcher that turns 27 in Feb, switch hitter complementing the RH 35 year old, a guy that delivered 3 wins in 2008 and got squeezed out by a solid Jaso, $1mil sounds like the right ticket for this team with only Gimenez and Ellis around.
He might even get the majority of starts against RHP.
Hope his defense is up to snuff and his bat comes back. He had a lot of good peripherals once upon a time. Defense. OBP.
$1mil for a 27 year old swirtch hitting catcher with potential. Let’s not forget Martin set the bar pretty low offernsively the last two years.
I'm on board
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He also went
through some really mind fuck personal shit. He had the skills, they could resurface. This is exactly the kind of guy you gamble on, and if it does not work you then have Barajas.
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They could, sure. But I can’t pyschoanalyze the guy over the Internet and I’m not gonna try. The fact is that Navarro has OPSed over .700 once in a season where he’s had 200 at bats. 2008 is the outlier here.
Sure
but he’s our backup plan. Just saying of all the backup catchers available Ned for once picked the guy I wanted. He might suck, but if he does I can’t complain about, just like I could not complain about signing Andruw Jones.
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I don’t mind the Navarro signing at all. He is still just 27 so he seems like a guy who could still have a few nice seasons. My only reservation is his attitude. The fact that he left his team when he found out he wasn’t on the playoff roster doesn’t sit well with me.
Brad Penny, on the other hand, is just a hands-through-his-hair dick.
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couldn't have said it better myself....
what the hell Aliza Douskue (have no idea how to spell her name) saw in him?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Eliza Dushku
and I believe the common perception is treat the princess like a whore and the whore like a princess. Not a great attitude at all, but the results show it may work.
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Given what he’s been through with his wife and son, I have to think twice about that. I might be ok with him going home to be with his family. I’ve read that his wife “made a full recovery”, but if it were me I’d be looking to lift as much stress off of her as I could, plus his son is still down a kidney. Who knows what life is like in the Navarro household?
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I didn’t realize he had family concerns to deal with, if that is the case then I can’t really blame him.
The price is right but I don't see
Much potential
Who is Karim Garcia? Who is he to challenge me?
by Who Is Karim Garcia? on Dec 9, 2010 9:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
More importantly
what insight do your fists have?
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I think it was a guesstimate Eric...
Ha Ha, what if it’s for 2.5-3M? ducks
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
so true on Barajas
I like him, and I even think he will be better than we expect (hometown factor), but he isn’t a $3.25M/year player (unless he hits more than 20HR- not happening)
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Dad just called me to say we just signed
Downer Navarro
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That would be great
but I would be sad when we ship billingsley out.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
If we get Pujols
I’ll still be sad to see Bills go. Its not an issue of talent.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I'm also
not saying we shouldn’t do it.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I don’t think Bills would be in this deal.
He would still be shipped out, because he’s got a ton of value and the Dodgers will have 7 starting pitchers under contract so he’s the one who can actually fetch a bat.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
Bills just goes with Loney to Milwaukee for Fielder.
And, actually even though the Dodgers would add ~$20 million in payroll by doing that, which makes it impossible, that would be fucking great.
Indeed
for 2011, but I’d want more from the Brewers for Chad / Loney then just Cecil, I think they have to throw in Gamel.
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really? A 50 homer guy for your #2 starter and a black hole in the lineup? And you want their top prospect also?
Fielders will always be worth more than pitchers, so if we got him for Billingsley and Loney I’d be first in line to buy a XXXXXXL LA Dodgers Prince Fielder sail err jersey.
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Sure
if Prince was here for more then a year but you are giving up a stud pitcher who you control for a 1st baseman you don’t.
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something tells me
that we haven’t seen the best of Billingsley yet
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impossible to predict, but maybe Billingsley is more likely to be offered and accept an extension from Milwaukee as well. He’s a midwest boy, probably more comfortable out there, and Milwaukee is only a little over 300 miles from Defiance, OH. I know, I know, he lives in Reading, PA now (~800 miles), but still, might be a fit.
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He would probably prefer to play there
just guessing…but there is no ice to slip on in LA though…so there’s that
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Bills walks after 2012 yes?
Maybe they aren’t that interested in him because they want more service time?
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What do you mean?
You think KC wants CB? I don’t. What’s the point? Don’t they want guys who can develop with their fantastic minor league core. Bills doesn’t have that much club control time left.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
I was lucky enough to watch 50+
Single A games for the Royals system in 93-94. They had Johnny Damon, Carlos Beltran and two other guys who were just as good at that level named Hugh Walker and Raul Gonzalez. They absolutely dominated! It was way more fun watching them play then watching the Adrian Beltre single A Dodgers.
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maybe it was carlos gonzalez...there were a lot of latin names and I was 11
sorry
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It was Michael Tucker....just looked it up....my bad
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Dodgers???
I thought we already have 6 SP’s? Just for arguments sake, if we were successful in landing Granick, who goes in that scenario?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Billingsley
would probably be traded to someone else for a bat
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Right
3 team deal.
Greinke and Fielder to LAD
Billingsley to MIL
entire LAD farm system gets turned into an expansion draft between the Brewers and Royals, each team getting 10 selections.
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The Brewers don't deserve anything beyond Billz
Its only one year of Cecil Jr.
I wouldn't mind trading for Michael Young
and turning Blake into a LF/1B/3B (Uribe-Lite) player. Maybe they’ll take XPaul, Hu, a bag of balls and bats, the McCourts, and the ugly Kardashian sisters.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
This
I don’t want to pay 48/3 for a 34 year old declining infielder. You don’t dump your franchise’s second face because you love his production and contract.
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I thought I heard
the Rangers were willing to eat most of the contract to move him.
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I wish Young could play LF...
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The problem for the Angels
is that if they are to sign Beltre and Soriano, there is no way there payroll isn’t approaching $140M and they cannot make any money if their payroll goes up that high.
Currently
the Angels have 97.47 committed to 2011 plus 8-9 arbitration eligible players that will certainly put that well over 120M
Arte Moreno
is not afraid to spend money.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I think he sees it as a long term thing
sometimes you have to spend money to make money, and losing the division last year probably made him none to happy.
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Absolutely
The Angels have pretty much owned that division during Scioscia’s tenure, and when Moreno came in and opened his wallet, I think he was expecting big things. Not too unrealistic, IMHO.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I don't think the Angels can have a payroll of $140M
and be profitable, their attendance numbers are flat (even after all their success), they have their TV contract locked up for several more years.
Now, could they lose money each year and probably not affect Moreno’s wallet, probably.
Now, could they lose money each year and probably not affect Moreno’s wallet, probably.
This is exactly what I want out of our next owner.
I want the Dodgers to matter again in the eyes of the national press for reasons other than their owners’ marital problems.
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I don’t give a fuck what the national press thinks.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"Meg, who let you back in the house?"
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Happy Pony’s on, and I’m not missing Happy Pony.
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do I sense a little projection here? Hmmm?
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i love that someone already asked Cuban about it.
Cuban said this the other day:
When I got in, everyone was like, ‘Shut the hell up, go up to the box, write the check and don’t say a word.’ Now, every time a team loses a game someone wants me to buy their team. Now when new owners come in, they want them to be like Mark Cuban. That’s a compliment, that’s interesting, that’s fun and everything.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/03/mark-cuban-on-mark-cuban/
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Sure
but he might be willing to do it for one or two years, to ensure the continued success of his brand. If sony is willing to take huge losses as a company to make sure the Playstation brand continues to be a success, why can’t he take small losses, or minuscule profit, for one or two years?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
everyone else is doing it
why not?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
look at my life, I’m a lot like you were.
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by David Young on Dec 9, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like Monday night worse, cause the hangover essentially lasts all week, although I guess by this theory, Sunday night is the official worst night to drink
Great night if Monday is a holiday though!
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only if Tuesday’s a holiday as well. Haulin ass out of Vegas at 7 in the morning after taking six shots the night before was….less than fun
I always drive to Vegas. But I accrue a lot of time off, so I can usually have a buffer day in there.
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I’m fine the next day, it’s just the driving at nine in the morning feeling like death while your friends are all asleep in the backseat part I hate.
I really just need more friends with cars that can go more than 20 miles at a time.
honestly, unless we’re finding drink specials, it’s too damn expensive to get fall down drunk in Vegas, and I think that’s on purpose
Vegas is great because you can bring a bottle of scotch from home, then just drink straight out of that all day.
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They give you “free” drinks while you are gambling. Just plop yourself down at the bar and feed the poker/blackjack machine slowly.
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see I wasn’t sure what the deal was, cause those girls kept coming around saying drinks, and she only had a tip cup
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, it will cost you tips only. I suggested the bar, because then you don’t have to wait for the cocktail waitress to come around, and you might find the bartender cute.
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yeah but I only like the table games. I didn’t come to Vegas to interact with a computer
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
the free drinks suck so much though.
darkest jack and cokes i’ve ever had.
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that’s why you gotta go neat son
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Word
Or simply drink beer. I can get Sam Adams in a lot of casinos, which is good enough.
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beer makes me pee like sea biscuit, so I usually try and only drink one a night, either at the beginning or the end
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
True story
I have never seen a horse urinate.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
But I have never seen rabbits fuck, either. So scratch that.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Somebody get Eric the rabbit porn
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
I have also never seen a bear shit in the woods.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Somebody get Eric the bear scat porn
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
True story
I have seen a hippopotamus ejaculate.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I dont' see how this can beat
saggy balls
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Lion Country Safari
A drive-through zoo in Irvine back in the day. These two hippos were trying to mate, but she wasn’t being very cooperative. He ended up finishing his business via the involuntary withdrawal method. It was, uh, impressive.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Well that’s a rec if I’ve ever seen one.
by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
BTW
I don’t approve of coke as a mixer. Too sweet and too strong. If you have to mix coke with it, you need a drink a better liquor instead.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I would like to offer to responses
it’s really only meant for crappy rum
or
two ingredients isn’t a cocktail, its an emergency
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Listen
I didn’t want to buy Scootypuff but my parents INSISTED. So then I turned around and sold it to my ex when I left Los Angeles.
God that car was a piece of shit. And now I will not have a car forever for I am but a lowly graduate student.
Winter is coming.
Scootypuff?? My daughter named her car “Diego”, but it could easily be a scootypuff, being a ScionXA.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
it was a 1990 Honda Accord
the thing was as old as my little sister. I’m surprised it went 20 miles at a time, period.
Winter is coming.
My daughter should be thankful she is an only child – God knows what she’d be driving otherwise!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
well
when I was 16, I got my grandma’s car (RIP) because she couldn’t drive anymore. My sister didn’t get her license until she was 18…at the same time my brother got his at 16. I had just graduated from college and moved back home…and was greeted with the news that I was going to have to buy my own car.
I didn’t have enough money to actually get a real car, I had to settle for the mystery of the Accord.
Winter is coming.
My first car was my mom’s beige (she insisted it was “taupe”) 1987 Mercury Sable. With the digital dash. That didn’t work anymore.
In 1996, I drove that car across the country. In 1997, I bought a new car: a Toyota RAV4. I drove that car for 12 years, and last year, bought a Honda CRV.
Like sands in the hourglass, so go the cars in my life.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
1993-1995: 1982 Chevy Citation
1995-1996: my mom’s old 1986 Dodge Omni
1997-2004: 1997 Ford Ranger pickup truck (with no extend cab; man how I should have had that!)
2004-present: 2005 Ford Escape
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
In 1977 I “inherited” my dad’s stripped ‘66 Rambler. Three on the tree, bench seats, no carpet, no radio, no A/C, nuthin’. I drove that into my 4th year of college, until some drunk chick rammed me from behind and totaled it.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
That still is likely the best possible outcome when a drunk chick rams you from behind.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree
I’ve never been the same since that fateful night….she didn’t even call the next day
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Face it
I’m older than you and I have better car (insurance).
And my wife is reliable company,
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I also never leave that early
Screw that. I check out mid-morning, have a leisurely breakfast, then head out of town.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You know what would be really funny
if Ned was just in the mix to fuck everyone else up. Like, offering really high deals to make other people try and match it, just to fuck them over in terms of prospects.
Winter is coming.
And go to the winter meetings with a handwritten note
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Unless your Depo
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
You know what really would be really funny
If Ned was a lurker in the comments section of TBLA every day.
he could even be a commenter, though he’d probably chose a female persona then. No one would suspect a girl
/heh heh heh heh
lshihtcmyapmhdfasaigatlo
laughed so hard I had to close my eyes and put my head down for a second as I got all the laughs out
:)
I’m giving myself until 12:15 to dick around on the internets before I get hip deep into discourse about the Other.
Winter is coming.
I just spent an entire semester on the other in postcolonial studies. Dude’s alright, kinda pissed about the othering
hehe
one of my professors gets really amped up about “post-” studies. He doesn’t agree with the post-modern designation.
The class I’m doing this for is my horror film class, and I think I am going to make a case that the Other is precisely what makes things unsettling for us. I still have to work on it, but that’s the beginning.
Winter is coming.
IF I were writing that paper, I’d use Buffy as an example of allowing the other to represent internal demons and then glom onto Senna’s idea that there is a foreigner inside all of us which cause us to other, well, others. but that’s me : )
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
hahahaha
sadly, I have to use the original Wickerman, and what might be Martin Sheen’s first movie, which was apparently the ABC movie of the week way back when. It’s called “Conflict” or, alternatively, “Catholics”
Winter is coming.
That
is awesome. Bruce Wayne is the shit…have they brought him back to life yet or is Grayson still Batman right now?
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
that entire storyline is why I stopped reading DC comics
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
bull hockey
you said you stopped reading long before that I thought?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
did I, well if I did I was posturatin or something, I was reading Batman up until final crisis/they cancelled Catwoman
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I'm probably full of shit
but yeah final crisis was fucking horrible. Such a let down. They have Batman series that arent helmed by Grant Morrison, but I haven’t read anything since Final Crisis, Batman or otherwise(marvel included).
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I haven't actually read comics in ages
The last one I read all the way through was the Death of Superman saga, which I enjoyed, but I didn’t care for the Cyborg Superman villain. I never got to finish reading Knightfall, either: I was much more impressed with what I read of that one and Batman coming full circle after Bane.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Knightsfall
and Knightsend where really my intro into batman
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I believe they are in the process
but I usually lag a year or two behind, I do the trades, much much cheaper
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
he was also never dead
just time traveled
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
That's right
Darkseid’s Omega Beams don’t actually kill anyone. Forgot about that…and why isn’t Brandon Routh getting another shot at Superman? Throw in Darkseid/Braniac, recast Lois Lane, and show a lot of explosions and you’ve got The Man of Steel. Guaranteed $250 million gross, before DVD/BD sales.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
From some accounts
Brandon Routh is Dimmagioesque in some ways… supposedly they had to minimize his package for the costume of superman.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I still plan on seeing it!
sometime. I think.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Superman Returns was very dividing
You either loved it or hated it…I’ve found very few people who were in between.
And it made back its $200 million budget before home release, so I think the number was a little bigger than 8.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Yep. The ex was a huge superman fangirl and dragged me to that damn movie twice.
by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
You saw it twice?
No matter how many times you watch it, two hours of nothin’ is still nothin’. Sorry, man.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
TWSS?
Nah, she’s NEVER said that…
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
then they bow out and Ned get's stuck
Frank would love that!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I've been skeptikal of this on more than one occasion
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
in that scenario
can the GM just say “I was just playing Dogg, you know we’re still cool right?”
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
If we get Grienke, Bills will be in the deal to KC. There’s no doubt that they’d want a legit, really good replacement.
pretty sure ned is always "going for it"
see every trade deadline
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 9, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
know when to give up james mcdonald for a bucket of shit
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 9, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the return on that was terrible
but I’m hoping that McDonald can finally do what he was unable to do in LA. I wish them the best chance to be awesome.
Winter is coming.
its too bad nobody is allowed to struggle in LA
see: jackson, edwin
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 9, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
then again for every jackson theres a laroche so meh..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 9, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
There’s struggling, and there’s being a bucket of shit.
by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
well yeah, cause I mean there ain’t no mistaking what someone means by fecal matter, but it ain’t the words it’s the images being conjured up in my thought box
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I’d be sad too. Chad taught me how to love again (it’s been a while between favorite players in baseball.)
But, Greinke is just so good.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Aren’t they under team control for the same amount of time? What’s the gain for KC unless they (mistakenly?) think the prospect(s) they can pick up from LA are elite? Are they Jonesing for Bills/Gordon/Sands for Greinke? Doesn’t sound quite right to me.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
z
Cash money.
But I agree, they don’t want Chad.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Well then, don’t let the door hit ya Dee
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
someone just posted a comment and I pushed Z too fast and now I can’t find it……DOW!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Going to New Zealand, need a passport
but have no idea where to get one. I’m assuming post office?
Disregard females, acquire currency.
You don’t need a passport to go to Mexico
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
the terrorists have won
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
That's why I asked
I don’t have a passport either, but I’ve been to TJ.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
No you don't
You need it to get back into the U.S. ;-)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
post office is one place yes, it’s gonna take like a month or so
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
fed building
It is cheaper there to. Wilshire/ federal
Right, but you could be waiting in line for upwards of 3 hours.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I have tomorrow off, so not really an issue, plus maybe there’ll be a cute receptionist.
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they can see your @ replies to people they also follow, but only those
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
that would make sense
i would not want people to suffer through what i tweet about with delias horny teenage cousins.
They should be able to see if they go to your page though, just not in their normal feed.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
not unless they really wanted to stalk you, not just passively stalk you
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
horny teenage cousins
I may have seen that movie. I think it was filmed near Phil’s office.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Re: Steve Garvey
My mom’s sister used to work for a really rich and powerful guy back when she lived in LA, this was during the time Garvey was around. So she used to get 4 tickets right behind the Dodgers’ dugout and give two of them to my mom and dad and use the other to take a date (which I think is really fucking bold, considering my father).
I guess whoever she used to bring got off scot free though, because my father contented himself with yelling “STEVE!!! STEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!”
All game long
Winter is coming.
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by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Even SoSG is pining for Mark Cuban
heh
http://www.sonsofstevegarvey.com/2010/12/steve-garvey-corraling-investment-group.html
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I'm surprised no one has considered this
CBA ends in 2012(?), Bud Selig is retiring after the new CBA is negotiated. Frank and Jamie will probably be tied up in court until at least then. If the appeals trials last until 2013, and they are forced to sell, Bud Selig would not be in charge of the sale.
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I’m surprised nolander didn’t say that first.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I know the scouts like him, but Gordon can’t hit, can’t field, and doesn’t have the build for commissioner.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Just have to ask
And be gentle with me, I was out of commission for two days —
Do we live in a world where any trade for Fielder and/or Greinke is really possible? Really? Because if the Dodgers get those two guys I take back everything I’ve said about 2011.
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If the payment is small that might be tolerable, but ….
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The Dodgers have been eating their fiber. By that, I mean our prospects suck. It is Fielder and Greinke. Go get ’em.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
It’s not so much that I’ll be disappointed when we get neither, so much as I’d be appointed when we got both.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I would classify it as extremely unlikely, just based on payroll…
1) prospects for Greinke adds $13.5 million
2) Loney (~$4.5m) and Bills (~$5.5m) for Fielder (~$16m or so, maybe more) adds $6 million
So we are looking at an extra ~$20 million for 2011.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
That’s the answer I was looking for. Thanks, but too bad.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
don’t need one with Fielder at 1B :)
Also, Billy Hall FTW!
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
In this highly fantastical scenario
We would have a LF. His name would be Ethier, and Kemp would be RF and Gwynn Jr in CF
if that happened
I think I’d take back a lot of things I’ve said about Ned and Frank lately haha
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Many baseball
and (heck) even Dodgers related posts to read this morning. I am so very pleasantly surprised /wiping away tears of joy.
vr, Xei
Its just super contrived
none of the people they bring in seem to have a culinary background,and then they stick them in professional situations with little to no training and scream at them when they make the mistakes they obviously are going to make. Whoopdy fucking doo.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
None of the contestents
are ever likeable either. I just don’t get it.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
This is where
my ctrl-o (obliterate) proposal would come in to play. The one where you can just hide a sub thread.
The page only partially loaded for me but it appears to be an article about TCU and how none of their games meant anything this year in terms of winning a national title. They ended up playing 12 games (winning all of them) all for naught. They did get invited to play in an exhibition game, attend a parade with some spectacular floats and eat some of the best steak in town. So there’s that. :)
which is how it’s been since the beginning of time dude
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
If they only thing that matters to you is the National Title game, then I can see where you would come to that conclusion.
Seeing as how TCU sold out their alottment of Rose Bowl tickets, it doesn’t seem as though their fans feel that way.
Really though, the article speaks on points that you and I have discussed. How bowls would be eliminated in a playoff.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Ask a TCU fan this
A trip to the Rose Bowl in a meaningless game in terms of title aspirations. Or a #3 seed into a four or eight team playoff. Would be curious as to which they’d prefer.
The way I’d put it, would you rather vacation in Pasadena for a week around New Years with the chance to win a meaningful trophy, or fork over the money to see your team play in a bunch of games with a failure to win the whole tourney meaning your whole season is a failure
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
thats assuming that trophy
is more meaningful then a playoff win. Which, I don’t see it as being.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I have no recollection of an NFL playoff win that didn’t lead to a Super Bowl berth being meaningful. I do have recollection of TCU players with Roses in their mouths, excited to go play in the Granddaddy of them All.
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
I have no recollection of an NFL playoff win that didn’t lead to a Super Bowl berth being meaningful.
1 playoff win saved Tony Romo’s life.
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Did the Cowboys put a picture of that game, with the final score written on it, in their trophy case?
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
No, but remember how excited we all were a few years back when Lima won that playoff game? It means nothing in the grand scheme, but from a fan’s psyche standpoint, it’s nice to know we haven’t gone 22 years without a playoff win.
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as a Cal fan, going to the Rose Bowl for the first time in 50 some odd years would be more meaningful than being in the MNC game, but I can take solace in the Holiday Bowl victory a while back until then.
Ask a Cubs fan or a Red Sox fan pre-2000 how much those playoff victories mean
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Right
Bowl games are fun. It seems as though people don’t realize that fact in their haste to eliminate the current system.
It seems as though people are so steadfast in their idea that absolutely, no matter what, there must be an indisputed national title. Even though there’s like 120 college football teams. People, most of whom don’t enjoy these games anywhere but their own television and would be considered somewhat casual fans, want to a lot of the fun because it doesn’t advance their goals of having a clear champion.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
You can still have the "bowl" games
as part of the playoff system if that is what “the masses” want. Put the semi finals and finals in a bowl site. There will be plenty of money made on the TV broadcasts and I’m sure the two teams that make the finals plus any fan of the game can fill up the seats in the title game. Just makes too much sense. You can have both the exhibition bowl games, meaningful bowl games and a playoff all in one.
No, you can’t.
But we’ll just start spinning our wheels now.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
it works?
Conneticut playing Oklahoma? Yippey! Although the BCS bowls are much better then last year.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I don’t really have a problem with UConn playing in a BCS. They are in a BCS conference. They won their BCS conference.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I hate that reasoning
I want to see the best 10 teams matched up. I want to watch good football, not good “tradition”.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Why is a playoff the only acceptable outcome? To Josie’s point, if it’s been done this way for 100 years, and the game is popular, why should the NCAA switch to become more like the NFL?
People still like going to bowl games.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
It hasn't been like this for 100 years
And just because something has been done a certain way for X number of years does not mean it is the best/most popular/fair/makes the most $$ etc way to do things. The BCS is monopolized by a block of conferences. It is like having a Presidential election and not letting any candidates run who are from the 10 states with the smallest electoral votes. Do it that way for 50 or 100 years and people will probably say the same thing about not wanting to change it.
except this is sport, and the bowls are all exhibitions started by local communities to make money.
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Popular for who? The several hundred thousand fans who travel to bowl games every year probably find it pretty popular.
People can trash bowls as “tradition” but I don’t see why fans and alumni or certian schools who still enjoy and travel and love this stuff should be told that it’s time for a change for the sake of being “fair” and making it better for TV audiences who never really have a dog in this fight. They are the casual fans.
Can’t hold up Boise, TCU and Rutgers as an argument since their fans still travel like crazy to these exhibition games.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Sometimes
people want things to be better, but don’t stop doing whatever it is just because it can be better. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try to improve.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Sure. But I’m not saying to avoid something better for something old. I’m saying I think the thing that is old is still good.
I actually agree with Dave the most. The BCS blows, just go back to the old system.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
It can still be good
and yet still be replaced by something better.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
But I’m not convinced most of the playoff models would be better. I would really only be happy with a 16 team field and even then I’d feel some remorse about losing the bowl games. I do like them, I get the purpose and I’d be bummed if they went away.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I just see
giving 4 to 8 teams a shot, better then giving 2 based on unbalanced schedules. Thats all.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
To tell you the truth my beef is with the fairness of how the champion is determined and I couldn’t give a crap about how teams “travel” to exhibition games. As a compromise in my proposed system, I’d still have bowl games played at every single venue that they have bowl games played at today. Therefore, that argument is completely wiped out. The Las Vegas Bowl? You’d still have it. The Armed Forces Bowl? You’d still have it. The teams that did not make the 8 team field would populate those bowls. Their fans could travel to those bowl sites and have a fun vacation and attend the parades etc… The 8 teams that made the playoffs would populate the more popular bowl sites. Therefore there would still be a game in the Rose Bowl on Jan 1st, it would just be a playoff game. There would be some playoff bowl site issues to work out, but it is all very doable. Everyone gets their cake and nobody’s cheese is moved. And best of all the title is decided on the field not on the microchip or some coaches poll. I remember one year when USC was in the mix for the top two spots and they had to worry the last week or two what teams like Hawaii were doing in some obscure game because it affected their SOS in the computer.
Because
having the two teams who get to compete to be the champ decided by polls and computers is fucking lame. I would actually argue that playoffs make more sense for the NCAA then they do for the NFL. You can play a much more balanced schedule in the NFL then in the NCAA.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Why do you need an undisputed champ for college sports?
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Why do we play the world series?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
because two leagues a hundred years ago decided to have their champions face each other. The federal league wasn’t invited, the Pacific Coast League was close to applying for major league status before MLB let the Dodgers and Giants come out west, and pretty much any threat to the cartel of two major leagues was stomped out
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
And 2 leagues 60 years ago decided to have their champion face each other (Big Ten and Pac 10.)
I’m on your side on this one, even if I don’t agree with your Boise hate.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
at the risk of starting a separate argument
I don’t hate Boise, I’m frustrated with the current position in much of the media that a team can be better than their conference. If that’s the case either go the Notre Dame route and become independent or join a better conference. We’ll see how things change once the MWC takes on the best the WAC has to offer.
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t want to start a separate argument either.
The only thing I’ll say is (as Stewart Mandel put it) joining a different conference is not like joining little league. You can’t just sign up for the Big 12.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
and by "go the ND route"
did you mean molesting young boys?
by Greg Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
hey bub, I was raised Catholic so you’re treating on thin ice there
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
ah, yes, but then again you are not a young boy, now are you?
by Greg Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
So was I. And I once was a young (unmolested) boy.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
OK, OK
child molestation is off limits. I got it
by Greg Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
There are too many Div-I (or whatever it’s called now) NCAA football teams to be able to seed a playoff tournament fairly. The team that thinks they were # 9 will scream they got screwed out of the playoffs. Who is #4 vs. #7? The BCS is pretty lame – just go back to the old bowl structure.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
But there is a huge difference between who is #2 or #3 in the current system and who is #8 and #9 in an 8 team playoff system. Has there ever been an undefeated #9 team? In an 8 team playoff, you’d just be SOL if you were the #9 team. You have to draw the line somewhere. Just like I don’t really feel bad for a team that can’t make the NCAA field of 65 (or w/e it is now).
I disagree because I don’t want rapists like Ben Roethlisberger playing in playoff games of any kind.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
WTF
My NFL allegiance has nothing to do with what is right and what should be done with NCAA Football.
Oh, but it’s ok to swindle 180K from a university and still play?
by Greg Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
All I know is that people like Ben Roethlisberger are scum.
And that the Baltimore Ravens are the class of the AFC and got completely jobbed this past weekend.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Jobbed by who?
Who’s fault is it tha “Unibrow” Flacco can’t feel backside pressure?
by Greg Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I got nothing. I didn’t even watch the game.
Your brother put me up to this!
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Really?
what does that have to do with this?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Nothing. At karaoke night Eric said it would be funny if I trolled the shit out of Greg and he gave me a few things to say.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough
I’ve been trolling the last few weeks anyway and just got back into the fray today. Slow day at work.
Oh, and fuck Eric
by Greg Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
from an earlier post, TWSS
Right, Keith?
by Greg Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I tried, but I didn’t have anything else to say. Ideally I wouldn’t have tried this the week after Baltimore lost to Pittsburgh.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I expect that a lot of 2 to 3-loss teams, or whatever, would have an reasonable argument for #8. 8 is a pretty exclusive club. The basketball tournament is large enough that the shunned at-larges, while they have an argument, can simply be countered with, whatever, you’re clearly not top-30.
At least the basketball tournament comes immediately after the end of the season. With a three/four or more week gap to the bowl games, they ought to be exhibitions.
And if you want to be realistic, you still have to placate the conferences. The conferences are powerful – the big ones run the BCS cartel right now. The basketball tournament takes conference champs.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Pete Rose. The gift that keeps on giving.
"In 1967, I get a call from the state department and a guy identifies himself and he says, ‘Would you like to go to Vietnam?’ I said, ‘Not necessarily. In ’67?’ He said, ‘Well, Joe DiMaggio’s going.’ So five of us went over to Vietnam and we went to Saigon and met up on the Intrepid in Tonkin Bay. And we were there for 23 days. Now we’re down in the middle of the jungle, it’s hot, it’s so hot you can’t sleep, there’s a war going on, you can see the helicopter and every fourth bullet is a tracer. We’re up on a hill and there’s a valley and the other hill is where the war’s going on. And Joe says, ‘Man, I’ve gotta take a shower.’ I said, ‘Joe, we’re out in the middle of the jungle, what do you mean you’ve got to take a shower?’ He said, ‘I don’t give a damn, I’m Joe D and I’ve gotta take a shower.’ And the only way you can take a shower, Mike, is they have these big bamboo bags, like, and somebody’s got to get on a chair and pour the water and pull a rawhide thing and the water comes through and the guy takes a shower. So I saw everything that Marilyn Monroe saw. Now, when I tell people the best way to describe Joe DiMaggio, he was a penis with a man hanging from it. … Does that give you a better perspective?"
by BFDC on Dec 9, 2010 10:27 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
"Bevacqua couldn't hit water if he fell out of a fucking boat"
Is that what you were looking for? I’ve got to know.
by Greg Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Check the last (Navarro) thread. There are links to a few classics, including Lasorda and Jesus Feliciano.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Some pictures you may have or have not seen
Next year’s BP jersey:
How the Dodgers keep track of the roster:
That particular one will never be put to use though, as he will be in Wisconsin. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
That white board looks like its in the equipment room
Ned keeps a much bigger board on the wall in his office so he can remember all the players’ names.
That’s in the locker room. Right near the entrance. The little doorway (just to the left of the second picture) leads to both the manager’s office (on the right) and player lounge area (on the left) where they eat.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
repeat from yesterday
being an unpaid journalist blah blah blah
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I'm just pissed
because he confirmed before I had a chance to!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
at least we’re all of the same mind : )
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Also
Good to know Justin Huber and J.D. Closser are getting spring training invites.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Could be Jon Huber, I suppose, who was in Chattanooga in 2010.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
On September 27, 2003, their first wedding anniversary, Sherley [Mrs. Dioner Navarro] suffered a cerebral aneurysm in Tampa. Doctors gave her less than a 5% chance of surviving surgery, and said it was likely she would die on September 30. She survived, and made a full recovery. Navarro has worn the #30 in her honor ever since.
I wonder if Lopes will give Dioner Navarro # 30 (wonder if he picked that because it was double 15, his player number in LA) and pick a new one. 45 is available.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
the first one was some guy taking a picture of a mailer that went out to season ticket holders, the second from the official photos from the Juan Uribe signing
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
rob flippo represent
how long has he been bullpen catcher? been a looong time.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 9, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Note that the retired numbers do not appear
As well as one other – # 34. That is about as retired without being officially retired as it gets.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Nice catch
99, by the way, still available :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
nice catch. I imagine this year could be the year it gets done, with the amount of Fernando merch on the giveaway schedule
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
In my opinion, “unofficially retired” is BS. Either the number is in play or it is not. If it is not, whatever rule you have about why it’s not officially retired is a bad rule.
If no Dodger is gonna wear #34, retire it.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Or, I suppose, they don't have to retire it.
They could just give Vicente Padilla #34. That would also end the conversation.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Is there a case to be made that there is a difference between number/player honored by being displayed in the stadium and not reassigned?
Also, Fernando is still employed there. Maybe it’s considered still his number, although he doesn’t wear a jersey.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Is there a case to be made that there is a difference between number/player honored by being displayed in the stadium and not reassigned?
If so, that is a distinction without a difference. The reason it is not reassigned is to honor Fernando.
Also, Fernando is still employed there. Maybe it’s considered still his number, although he doesn’t wear a jersey.
Plenty of Dodgers wear Rick Monday’s number, n’est-ce pas?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
The reason it is not reassigned is to honor Fernando.
The honor is private rather than public though.
Yeah, but he’s just Rick Monday, and he always has the flag snatch thing.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Rick Monday is a really nice guy
I would go up to the broadcasters booth at Dodgertown a lot as a kid with my Pops (they’re still good friends)
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
The honor is private rather than public though.
I find that unsatisfying. The only reason not to reassign a number is the public honor of what that player has contributed to the team. Keeping it private makes it like an in-joke. In a couple of years, I’ll have to explain the retired numbers to Spawn, and then I’ll say, “And of course, no Dodger wears 34, but it’s not retired, even though…” C’mon, it’s silly.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
His Uncle wears a Panama Jack hat...
that is his Uncle right?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Red Sox have fielded calls on Cameron
Ned is almost certainly on this.
Furcal SS
Kemp RF
Ethier LF
Loney 1B
Uribe 2B
Cameron CF
Blake 3B
Barajas C
That lineup could be full of pop
and no one ever getting on base. Could we see the back-to-back-to-back-to-back broken?
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
This is starting to look like taking a bunch of players, throwing them against the wall, and seeing who sticks.
Did I just mix my metaphors?
Winter is coming.
Options on Navarro
Does Navarro still have options if Ellis were to have a good Spring and Navarro sucks.
Navarro has five years of service time, and cannot be assigned to the minors without his consent.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
So he’s in a walk year. Good to know. Gurnick made it sound like this is a long term deal or something.
He does have one option remaining though.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of OBP (redux)
Rob Neyer gets all sarcastic with this header:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/6552/royals-add-two-more-on-base-machines
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
The Dodgers have added one player with a higher career OBP than Jeff Francouer this off season.
by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
And that player was on the Newark Bears in 2009.
by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
So, like Spinal Tap's amp, we're 1 better than the Royals?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Listening to ESPN Radio
and Dan “The Duke” Davis on his sports update noted that the Red Sox signed “speedball outfielder Carl Crawford.”
That makes two total speedball references in baseball, joining Bruce Springsteen in Glory Days.
Speed is a hell of a drug?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Black Magic...darkness...
CHARLIE MURPHY!!!!
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
this may have already been posted:
Colletti said that there’s a chance he’ll sign nobody, let such internal candidates as Gwynn and Xavier Paul get a shot, then make a move if needed as the season unfolds.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
To be fair, nobody would beat Scott Podsednik.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
would you rather have
posednick playing a lot or split duties between Hall & Gibbons?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I haven’t believed that since we posted pictures of hairstylist Paul Mitchell, and I still don’t believe it.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, how long as Tripon been back? Man, you get the stomach flu, you miss everything.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
16-team college football tournament
Eleven conference champs and five at-large teams. LSU and Missouri are the teams that get hosed in the scenario:
1 Auburn
16 Florida International
8 Arkansas
9 Michigan State
7 Oklahoma
10 Boise State
4 Stanford
13 Central Florida
3 TCU
14 UConn
6 Ohio State
11 Virginia Tech
5 Wisconsin
12 Nevada
2 Oregon
15 Miami (OH)
Sweet 16 to be played at higher seed’s home field on Saturday, Dec. 11, Elite 8 on Saturday, Dec. 18. Losers can all go to whatever bowl game they want, followed by the Final Four in the first and second week in January.
Tell me you wouldn’t watch.
Whether or not we’d watch is not the point.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I would stop caring about college football outside of the Cal-Stanford game
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
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