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Dodgers Have Their Eye On Wang

For the last few days, it has been reported than Chien-Ming Wang is deciding between the Nationals and one other team.  It appears that other team might be the Dodgers.  Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated reported that the Dodgers are watching Wang throw today for the third time, speculating that they are the second team in the running for his services.  Heyman also reported that Bill Mueller and Logan White are with Ned Colletti in Phoenix to watch the former Yankee starter pitch.

Wang, who turns 30 on March 31, pitched for Joe Torre in New York for four seasons, twice winning 19 games, and finished second in the 2006 Cy Young Award balloting.  Over the last two season, Wang has battled injuries.  His 2008 season was cut short after he hurt himself running the bases in an interleague game in Houston, prompting Hank Steinbrenner to deliver one of the better sports owner rants in recent memory.  Last season, Wang struggled mightily, with a 9.64 ERA in 42 innings before having shoulder surgery to repair a torn capsule in July.

What would Wang mean for the Dodgers? Well, for one thing, his addition would necessitate another roster move, as the 40-man roster is currently full.  Also, it would push Scott Elbert, James McDonald, and Josh Lindblom further down the depth chart, not to mention alter the fate of Eric Stults and Charlie Haeger, who are out of options.  Add in the likelihood that Wang might not be ready until May, and this becomes a more complicated transaction.

If Wang is healthy, he can be an asset to the starting staff.  His strengths are limiting home runs and inducing ground balls, all while striking out very few hitters.  Even when he was getting bombed last season, he wasn't that bad, producing a 4.55 x-FIP.  From 2005-2008, Wang's x-FIP ranged from 4.16 to 4.23, so if his shoulder holds up that's a pretty good idea as to what his performance might be.  I would expect his contract to have a low base salary with lots of incentives, perhaps like the contract Erik Bedard signed with the Mariners this week ($1.5 million base salary plus potentially $6 million more in incentives).

Another factor to consider is that this could potentially be a two-year commitment, although not directly.  Wang currently has just under five years of service time (he was a "Super Two" in 2008; thanks, Cot's), and he would be arbitration-eligible in 2011 as well, if the Dodgers chose to tender him a contract.

This could make for an interesting spring, in that I believe the Dodgers will end up making four roster moves to accommodate current non-roster players, including a potential Wang singing:

Also, even though he will likely not be ready to pitch next month, a signing of Wang would give the Dodgers a near monopoly on current Taiwanese players in Major League Baseball as they take their short trip to Taiwan.

UPDATE: Apparently the Dodgers either didn't like what they saw in Phoenix, or Wang's asking price was too high, because they have now pulled out of the Wang derby, again per Jon Heyman.

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I believe JMac, Elbert or Lindblom could give you x-FIPs in the mid 4’s while being ready to play to start the season while also being able to be moved to the bullpen if necessary— and they would all be cheaper and have more of a future.

This isn’t like Bedard or Harden who (if healthy) have really high ceilings that can turn into a shut down starter in the playoffs. Even when Wang was winning 19 games (as Eric mentions) he wasn’t putting up electric individual numbers, he was just a good pitcher who was a tad lucky and a guy who played on a team with an elite closer and slugging hitters in the Yankees.

by Michael White on Feb 10, 2010 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

The one thing I like about Wang, moreso than Padilla, is that he (if healthy of course) can eat innings, sort of Garland-y in that regard. Here are his IP/start pre-2009:

2005: 6.56
2006: 6.59
2007: 6.64
2008: 6.33

Maybe knock off a third of an inning (but likely less) taking into account that was in the AL, but still that’s pretty good.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

If the salary is low like bedard-OK. But i still want to see elbert,jmac etc perform for month or so.
The only other upside of wang is ..if healthy he offers another vet option in 2011 when we lose Kuroda.

by coloblue on Feb 10, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Good point

Wang was a Super Two, and would be arbitration eligible in 2011 as well.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I added the part about 2011 to the story above.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

If Wang signs with LA

the Dodgers will have 3 of the 4 active Taiwanese players in MLB. Fu-Ti Ne of the Tigers is the other one.

Also, the Dodgers would have 5 of the 6 all-time (adding Tsao and Chen as well).

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 9:34 AM PST reply actions  

Repko looks like a goner..

with all these possible guys to be added to roster..

by coloblue on Feb 10, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

which makes me wonder why he was signed in the first place.

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Lol. I’m 95% sure that the Dodgers do most of the bad things they do just to make me mad.

“Oh, you’re a big fan of Josh Bell, huh? Get Sherrill for him!”

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

a cheap, desperate signal that the McCourts aren’t ruining the team because they’re poor?

That and Ned Colletti’s weak foresight.

by StolenMonkey86 on Feb 10, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Even if they sign Wang, the Dodgers still would only have 6 outfielders that could reasonably play in the big leagues in 2010. Giles, even if on the roster, would likely have his glove behind a “break in case of emergency” glass case. I don’t think Repko is as gone as some do.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Wade is at risk more than Repko. We have a whole slew of live-armed reliever types and he had a poor season last year.

by OB12 on Feb 10, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

If memory serves, Ne is a LOOGY. I think we need to swap him for Leach straight up, just to corner the ROC market.

by Michael White on Feb 10, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

If wonder how much more valuable they are once you have the whole set ;)

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Kuo’s a little banged up, so that might hurt the value :(

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

He's been riding

around in one too many bicycle spokes.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Very good one, sir :)

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Might there be a Fu-Ti Ne in the bounty (for Leach)?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

oof.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was perhaps my worst pun attempt of the day. And that’s saying a lot with all the Wang jokes flying around!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Worth the risk.

If healthy, Wang has the ability to be a strong mid-rotation pitcher, he is not ace-level but still a pretty good option. I feel confident that we can fill the open spot in the rotation with Elbert, Stults, or McDonald until he is ready in May/June.

I have to think that if we offer him a contract that he would be likely to accept since he has ties to Torre and is friends with Kuo.

by OB12 on Feb 10, 2010 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/mlb/Fantasy_Baseball/18029166;ylt=AtenUcdfhjR2NB5mkzA520F0ucIF#mlb/FantasyBaseball/18029166

They talk about 4 players, 2 hitters and 2 pitchers. People in here will be interested in the final person talked about :)

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

I would much rather see Jmac/Elbert/Stults

get a shot at the 5th spot. One of Jmac and Elbert are going to be in the rotation in 2011 most likely, so why not start them now and get them more experience?

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 9:39 AM PST reply actions  

Likely to get 10 starts

out of those three this year. Even if teams have five man rotations, in reality each team really needs to go about 7 deep. The Dodgers had starts from 12 different pitchers last year. Chances are, the guys you mentioned, if still on the team once the season starts, will get plenty of chances.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Dodgers have had between 9-12 pitchers make starts for each of the last 11+ years, and 9 were used only twice.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Last year it was because there was never a clear cut 5th starter after Jmac’s terrible, terrible start. I’d love to see them pick someone and stick with them, because I don’t anticipate Jmac melting down like that again.

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Poor performances and injuries are rarely anticipated, that is why signing Wang would be a good idea.

by OB12 on Feb 10, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

If he's healthy and effective

Because signing him may boot a healthy (above replacement level) pitcher off the roster.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think a Wang signing the death knell for Stults or Heagar. Monasterios, Zerpa and Wade are probably the most vulnerable.

by OB12 on Feb 10, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I would guess that Wang’s return date is probably closer to June 1 than May 1 and if that is the case then Elbert or Stults or McDonald could get two full months of starts.

by OB12 on Feb 10, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it is great. Can never have enough pitching, and we have not seen Kuroda healthy for a whole season yet, so I think they will need someone to pickup some extra starts.

by delias man on Feb 10, 2010 9:49 AM PST reply actions  

Claiming system

Two part question.

A) Why do the Dodgers rarely claim guys on waivers?
B) Who was the last player they claimed?

by silverwidow on Feb 10, 2010 10:01 AM PST reply actions  

If so

that’s the reason why we don’t, haha.

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Because mostly shitty players get claimed off waivers, and other teams out of contention might have more flexibility and willingness to use a roster spot on players placed on waivers by other teams.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Headlined at the top are the superstars, three of the games most recognizable stars: David Wright, Evan Longoria and Ryan Zimmerman.

Can anyone tell me what’s wrong with this sentence?

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 10:01 AM PST reply actions  

I don’t know…is this a trick question?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

There should be an appostrophe inside the word “game’s?”

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 10, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t consider Ryan Zimmerman a recognizable superstar.

by silverwidow on Feb 10, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

^^^

He’s very good, but the average fan couldn’t tell Ryan Zimmerman from Blake Dewitt. He has the talent of a superstar though, that’s for sure.

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

So you’re saying there should not be an appostrophe in that sentence?

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 10, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Lol. You were right too, sorry I forgot to mention it.

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Can't resist

If we sign Chien-Ming, he will be the most famous blue Wang since Dr. Manhattan.

by kinbote on Feb 10, 2010 10:03 AM PST reply actions  

Randy Winn

has incentives based on PA against LHP only. Weird.

Winn’s $900,000 in performance bonuses are based on plate appearances against left-handed pitchers only. He would get $100,000 each for 50, 75 and 100, and $150,000 apiece for 125, 150, 175 and 200

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

Boy

You guys are really having some fun with Wang on Twitter

by Michael White on Feb 10, 2010 10:27 AM PST reply actions  

My favorite was D.J. Short bringing up Jon Coutlangus!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

is that actually one dollar and 19 cents?

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I know it’s a stupid question, but why would they pay him a million and a quarter for 25 years over 6 million dollars? Extreme interest?

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It was an Andruw Jones type release deal. Instead of paying him $5.9m in 2000, the Mets chose the convoluted 25-year plan.

To make it worthwhile, the Mets would need roughly an 8% annual return to invest the $5.9 million in 2000 to be able to afford the payouts starting in 2011. Then again, this guy Madoff has some pretty good deals…

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Update above

Dodgers are out, per Heyman.

ha!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

So I’m guessing they didn’t really like what they saw in the throwing session!

by BFDC on Feb 10, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Or like what they say

as the cute typo in Eric’s update above says. ;-) (Sorry! It’s the editor in me!)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Feb 10, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

From Mark Zuckerman

formerly of Washington Times:

Wang and his agent wanted a firm offer from the #Dodgers today. They balked. Could be only a matter of time before deal is done with #Nats

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 10:54 AM PST reply actions  

Sounds like he wants to play for the Dodgers moreso than the Nats, but will likely take the Nats offer since they have one on the table apparently.

by OB12 on Feb 10, 2010 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

He'll be the ace on the Nats

and the 4 or 5 pitcher on the Dodgers. I might go with the Nats too. He did win a ring last year with the Yankees, so it may not be all about winning right now.

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

That was an Adam Morrison / Chase Daniel ring though.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I am not really sure that his position in the rotation factors into the decision much. When he is healthy he would have a spot in the Dodger rotation.

by OB12 on Feb 10, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Wang wanted the Dodgers to whip it out…

OK I’ll stop.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

They'd have to hire

Dick Pole to be pitching coach.

An oldie but a goodie!

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by underdog on Feb 10, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s too bad Johnny Dickshot is dead, otherwise he’d be the perfect batting coach to complement him. One of the great things about Johnny is that he eventually played a few season in the old PCL for the Holllywood Stars.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

If Rusty Kuntz were a coach on the team, I’d imagine there would be some friction.

by LA Taco on Feb 10, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

He'll be traded to us from the Nats

before the deadline – if he really is healthy and effective.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Jon Sickels

over at Minor League Ball, takes a look at Scott Elbert vs Franklin Morales. He gives the slight edge to Morales.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

Sons of Steve Garvey with two cool posts today:

1) on Kirk Gibson
2) on the Tracy Porter Pick Six

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

The Dodgers did watch Wang throw, and didn’t like what they saw, per Gurnick.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

The subhead currently reads:

Left-hander’s shoulder progress a factor in club’s decision

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow

I missed that. No wonder Wang wasn’t throwing well…he was throwing with his off hand!!!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Hah hah Nice

And I’m kinda glad they passed. Originally I was interested in him but only the healthy effective Wang, and he wouldn’t come cheap either. They have better options for #5 pitcher in house already imho, all much cheaper.

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by underdog on Feb 10, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Nobody wants a non-functioning Wang. (I didn’t yet promise to stop.)

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Wang’s balls didn’t have enough movement.

by silverwidow on Feb 10, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

These jokes are getting flaccid

;-)

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by underdog on Feb 10, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

If the Wang excitement had last four hours or more, would we have had to consult with our physicians?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Stop it Dave, you’re killing me right now :)

by Julio Nievas on Feb 10, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

it would be funnier

if his last name wasn’t pronounced somewhere in between “wung” or “wahng” – as opposed to “waing”.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

"Wang and his agent wanted a firm offer from the #Dodgers today."

I guess Ned couldn’t provide that firm offer that Wang needed. Maybe Wang will just need to give Ned a hard time in return.

by Dodgers1981 on Feb 10, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know

it sounds like the Nats are willing to see if Wang will rise again.

by OB12 on Feb 10, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I was pulling for a CMW signing, but if he didn’t look good throwing and I am going to trust that White knows what to look for when evaluating a pitcher, then it is a good call to pass.

by OB12 on Feb 10, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I am going to trust that White knows what to look for when evaluating a pitcher

Good choice. What are the odds that he wasn’t the guy that looked at Esteban Loaiza?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m glad no one does that to me with “Rafael Belliard.”

by JonWeisman on Feb 10, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh

One of these days, Rafael himself might end up joining the Dodgers, perhaps as assistant GM, and you will be vindicated :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s only fun to pick on the folks that presumably have editors and fact-checkers employed as well as writers. In this case, the video still is staring them in the face!

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

There’s a good chance an editor writes thos headlines.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 1:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If by good you mean 100% …

by JonWeisman on Feb 10, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I still hope that the Dodgers come around and sign CMW because I think that he would be great if he is healthy at home with his stuff that leads to groundballs. And, he would probably be able to replace Kuroda and be at least a #3 if not a 1 or 2. Runner up for the Cy Young in the AL East. If healthy he should be able to rule the NL. And, the Dodgers need good to great starting pitching to be able to compete with what the Dbacks are going to be able to put out there and the Giants and Rockies have good staffs as well. The SP is the weak spot for the Dodgers right now.

by vadodger on Feb 10, 2010 12:52 PM PST reply actions  

The “if he is healthy” part would seem to be a pretty huge. If the Dodgers saw something indicating that he wasn’t, then I’m glad they took a pass. I would just as soon have any money that Wang would have tied up be free to cover a trade or signing later in the year.

by prosellis on Feb 10, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Cy Young

Wang was runner up for the Cy Young because he played on the Yankees with the type of run support that is conducive to winning 19 games. Besides, being a pitcher in the AL East isn’t that impressive when you pitch for the Yankees as opposed to pitching agains the Yankees, particularly in 2006 when the Rays still sucked. Sure, he has to compete against Boston I guess (who finished 3rd in the AL East that year), which he did 4 times and went 2-2.

Also, as I mentioned above, his x-FIP that year wasn’t that great at 4.16. In fact, if he posted that next year for the Dodgers and the remaining Dodger starters posted the same x-FIP as they did last year, Wang would actually be the 4th best starter after Kershaw (x-FIP 3.90), Kuroda (x-FIP 3.66) and Billingsley (x-FIP 4.04.) Padilla posted a combined x-FIP in 2009 of 4.41, though his numbers in LA were much better at 3.29.

Even at his best, Wang is not that good. Certainly not the 1st or 2nd option for LAD.

by Michael White on Feb 10, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

However with those numbers you have to remember that pitching in the NL is easier than pitching in the AL mainly because you have one more easy out that you don’t have in the AL because of the DH. So you just can’t compare one league’s numbers against the other that easily.

If any of the three Dodgers were to pitch in the AL the only one that would do ok is probably Kershaw. Look at the pitchers who go from the AL to the NL thier numbers always improve. Its just easier.

by vadodger on Feb 10, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Look at the pitchers who go from the AL to the NL thier numbers always improve.

Mark Hendrickson? :)

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Esteban Loaiza?

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 10, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Carpenter from Tor to StL improved, Santana from Min – NYM improved greatly.

by vadodger on Feb 10, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Not true for Santana. His first year in NY (2008) his ERA did go down, but his WHIP was up, his BB/9 was up, his K/9 went down, and his K/BB correspondingly went down. Clearly he was not as good last year. I leave it to Mike White to make this argument in terms of x-Fip.

I think we’re just picking on the “always” part of your statement.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I shouldn’t had used “always” probably a better word would have been usually.

by vadodger on Feb 10, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Santana was worse after coming to the NL overall, actually. His best seasons were in the AL.

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay fine. I get the DH argument in theory, but absent any sort of quantification of the difference between the AL and the NL what exactly am I supposed to do with that hypothesis? My point was that Wang at his best (2006) was still worse than just about all the other starters on the Dodgers staff in 2009 (including Billingsley which put in his worst performance as a full time starter.) Would his performance go up in the NL? Maybe, but just saying that the AL is tougher therefore lets ignore the actual numbers seems rediculous.

by Michael White on Feb 10, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It is too hard to compare the two leagues because they are too different. So you can’t say if he X had these numbers in the NL then Y’s numbers in the AL even though they are worse X is the better pitcher. Since they do not pitch in the same league you can’t really compare the two by just comparing their numbers like you were doing.

by vadodger on Feb 10, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

So what should I use?

You used Cy Young above which is an award voted on by the media and is largely based on pretty elementary and fairly useless stats like ERA and Wins. Wang sure did have a lot of wins, but in less he’s bringing the 2006 Yankees with him, it doesn’t make much sense to consider that. In fact, Wang isn’t even bringing the 2006 version of himself, so using the fact that he almost won an award 4 years ago seems a bit misplaced.

My numbers using Wang’s best year (again which would be the absoulte best case scenario since the dude has been injured an ineffective since) and the Dodgers numbers from last year would probably get you a bit closer in terms of evaluating how they would match up.

by Michael White on Feb 10, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

1/2 win WAR penalty

between the two leagues – with AL being the more difficult league.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

If only baseball-reference.com had neutralized stats as a feature. Oh, wait.
Standard neutralization (All seasons are converted to 162-game seasons &
average team scoring of 716 total runs (4.42 R/G) ):

Player        ERA   WHIP   BB/9   K/9  HR/9
Wang 2007 3.78 1.330 2.7 4.7 0.4
Kuroda career 3.79 1.215 2.1 6.1 0.8

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by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I used 2007 for Wang because it was his last healthy year. If I combined 2006-2007, it would be:
3.70, 1.326, 2.4, 3.9, 0.5

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by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

This are Rich Harden’s numbers from 2008 half the year with OAK the other half with CHC.
           G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA
2008 Oak 13 13 0 0 77.0 57 21 20 5 31 92 5 1 0 0 — 2.34
2008 ChC 12 12 0 0 71.0 39 17 14 6 30 89 5 1 0 0 — 1.78

by vadodger on Feb 10, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty similar

Harden 2008 w/Oak: 2.83 FIP, 3.66 x-FIP
Harden 2008 w/ChC: 3.08 FIP, 3.44 x-FIP

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

What about DLowe’s numbers from his days as a SP in Boston from 02-04 and his time in LA? His numbers in LA were an improvement.

by vadodger on Feb 10, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

We can pick example either way all day long, but that will never prove a trend. I would imagine that the study of the effects overall has already been done. What might be interesting is comparing two particular players and comparing them. With the neutralized stats, Kuroda looks like he belong higher in a rotation than a peak Wang.

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by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Small Sample Size

when you cherry pick players.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

The reason for the small sample size is that I am finding the ones that I can remember and looking up their stats.

by vadodger on Feb 10, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I plugged those neutralized numbers into Excel, and the FIPs were:

Kuroda 2008-09: 3.69
Wange 2006-07: 3.91

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Thought maybe

you were learning French.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Bill Simmons had some research on this a while back and I am trying to find it.

by vadodger on Feb 10, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Again

I’m not disputing that there is a difference between pitching in the AL and the NL. Pitching against 9 hitters as opposed to 8 is obviously more difficult. ERA+ equalizes for league if you are into the ERA thing. I’m not so I didn’t use those numbers here.

by Michael White on Feb 10, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

“Bill Simmons” and “research” are terms not often associated when it comes to baseball.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 1:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Bill Simmons research terms

Boston+Celtics+Boner
Wannabe+NBA+Know-it-all

by delias man on Feb 10, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

FWIW

The largely irrelevant USA Today Sports Weekly gives us this week their “100 Names You Need to Know” or something like that. I haven’t finished reading it, but I peeked and saw Elbert at #71 and Hu at #73. So far I like their top group (Neftali Perez—he of the true 80 fastball—is #1). I’d probably rank Lindblom above Hu [it’s not prospects per se], as I don’t even see a bench spot open for the latter.

by kinbote on Feb 10, 2010 1:16 PM PST reply actions  

Isn’t it primarily a magazine?

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by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Please, please, please can everyone refrain from mentioning persons #25, #76 or #92 on that list? Spilled milk only has a shelf llife of so long…

2009-10 Kings Hockey: Delivering Milk Steaks from the Meat Train at an arena near you!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 10, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

The one I was most mad about while just reading it was #76, because of our situation at 2B this offseason. Nothing can be done about it now, though.

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

He’ll be back soon enough :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Both the #58 on that list, and the #58 with the Dodgers.

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by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

How the mighty have fallen

Tyler Kepner of the NY Times brings us this on Johnny Damon:

Hearing Braves’ offer to Damon is $2M now + $2M deferred. If they raise it a little, it will be pretty much like Yanks’ final offer.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

Ughhh

Chattanooga (AA) 2-3 3.90 12 11 0 62.1 59 30 57 1.43

The 57 is strikeouts, 30 is walks, 59 is hits. What do you think is wrong about this line?

It’s the USA Today top 100 names you should know list.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2010-02-07-100-names-to-know_N.htm

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 1:58 PM PST reply actions  

Because I'm not sure when I'll check back I'll just tell you, lol

He had 87 strikeouts in AA in 2009 not 57. Small error, sure, but makes him look worse than he is.

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you think that factored into Elbert’s ranking? I doubt it; it was likely just a typo.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Doubtful

He just gets little respect as it is :)

by Ivdown on Feb 10, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Nats offer

per Peter Wang:

According reports from Taiwan media , Nationals offer Chien-Ming Wang one year 2 millions and plus incentive total up to 5 millions

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 2:55 PM PST reply actions  

OK, I promise to stop with the jokes at this point.

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by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW I would do that deal, if he is healthy of course, whether it is $2m + $3m or $2m + $5m. But I can understand the club not wanting to, based on what they saw from him all three times they saw him. It sounds at least like proper due diligence was done.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Jon Weisman even does dick jokes better than I do. There are no limits to this man’s abilities. From Dodger Thoughts comments:

Jon Weisman (2/10/2010 at 2:49 PM)
The real Ron Swanson knows his wood. Inside Offerman Workshop: http://bit.ly/abydaG
.
Jon Weisman (2/10/2010 at 2:50 PM)
(In the spirit of all the discussion this morning about a certain ex-Yankee.)

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by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

I wouldnt be suprised if Heyman is wrong

It seems like Wang really wants to play for Torre. If the money is close, I wonder if Wang would be willing to accept a MiLB deal that says he must be on the roster by some date or he can ask for his release. Sometimes players are willing to take a lesser deal(as long as the money ends up the same) to be in a place they want to be…

Also, Heyman says it will be resolved in 10 days.. 10 days is a long time when negotiating with a player. Dont be shocked if he still dons Dodger Blue..

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Feb 10, 2010 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

Could happen, but it’s not like Heyman is the only one reporting it. Ken Gurnick also reported the Dodgers aren’t interested in Wang, after seeing him throw for the third time today. Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe is close to Wang and reported this morning that Wang had decided on the Nationals, and a deal was close.

There’s still time, of course, but I doubt the Dodgers offer close to the Nats’ offer, especially if they weren’t impressed with his workouts.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I am fine if we are passing on Wang because White and others feel that he is not going to be effective. What I would be less OK with is if they are passing because they don’t think he is far enough along at this point. I guess what I am saying that if they don’t think they should take a chance on a guy who won’t be ready to contribute until May or probably June, then I think that approach is too conservative. Not signing a player because they are not going to be competing for a spot on the active roster on OD is not a valid reason.

by OB12 on Feb 10, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Matt Kemp is number 6 on Yahoos overall rankings for FB

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 10, 2010 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

Interesting

I suppose it depends on the rules. If your league requires you to have a dedicated CF, then Kemp is a monster. If you can just pile up corner outfielders though, I can’t see how he would rank that high.

by Michael White on Feb 10, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Right

He’s good – just not “Top 6” good. I’d say he is closer to 15 than to 6 in a standard scoring league.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

In a 5x5 Roto League I'd expect him to be up there

His R and RBI totals will go up with less time in the 8th slot in the lineup. He hits for average too, and is a contender for 30-30 if not 40-40.

In a points league, I don’t know, especially if they have an extra penalty for strikeouts.

by StolenMonkey86 on Feb 10, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

You should see where he’s ranked on ESPN.

by Julio Nievas on Feb 10, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

"Dodgers Have Their Eye On Wang"

Better or worse than a finger?

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Feb 10, 2010 5:50 PM PST reply actions  

Reminder me of George Carlin: "You can prick your finger, but don’t finger … "

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by David Young on Feb 10, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Still need a few

more people to represent TBLA in the battle of the Dodger blogs fantasy H2H baseball league.
Join Here
ID: 155901
pw: dodgers

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 6:38 PM PST reply actions  

I just signed up

but it didn’t put me in the TBLA division

by Michael White on Feb 10, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m in the fans of Ned Colletti division. I call foul! Also, this is my first time playing fantasy baseball. I hope I don’t get sucked in.

by Tripon on Feb 10, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

(02/10 11:31 AM)Mike, Maine – Gallardo or Kershaw? 14 team keeper
(02/10 11:32 AM) Yovani Gallardo is in the category of a third-year starting pitcher. He is going to become a big-time ace. Clayton Kershaw will be much improved, but he won’t be as high-end as Gallardo this year. Longer term, Kershaw’s talent is unmatched, though.

by Tripon on Feb 10, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Would you like to be moved to the TBLA division

If so, and its not full – what is your team name?
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I just signed up as well I am in TBLA division, I can’t wait.

by vadodger on Feb 10, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Cool

Looks like we still have four more openings. With three divisions, that will be 6-5-5. I wonder if Yahoo runs a balanced schedule. I would think so.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 10, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Is the yahoo fantasy site easy to deal with on IPhone?

by delias man on Feb 10, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember checking my bowl picks on Yahoo using my iPhone a couple of times. It isn’t very reliable. Lots of taking long time to load, and lots of browser crashing.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 10, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably a deal breaker

Now I remember the TBLA NCAA Bracket was hell on my phone.

by delias man on Feb 10, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

My team name is Gritty McHustle

It’s not a big deal the division I’m in. i guess I thought you set it up this way as sort of a battle of the blogs, as such, i belong in the TBLA division.

I just hope I’m with Sarcastro, so that he can spend his first round pick on James Loney :)

by Michael White on Feb 11, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought

I moved you to the TBLA division? Did I mess up?
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 11, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

No, I’m sure you didn’t mess up. I haven’t checked it since last night (blocked at work) so if you made a change I’m sure I just missed it.

by Michael White on Feb 11, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

moved you

I saw your Yahoo ID name and assumed it was you and moved your team to the TBLA division. I made a third division for those unwilling to choose sides – and besides three divisions is better than two. ??
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 11, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Sign Wang

Come on, the Dodgers gotta get all the Taiwanese playas.

by Turbo73 on Feb 10, 2010 11:30 PM PST reply actions  

Added Revenue

Not to mention signing Wang would provide Taiwanese companies to advertise at Dodger Stadium. Ahem, you hear that Mr (cash-strapped) McCourt?

by Turbo73 on Feb 10, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

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