Spring Training Battle: Lefty on the Bench
With pitchers & catchers scheduled to report to the cool side of Camelback Ranch on Saturday, spring training is just around the corner. The Dodgers have a few battles ahead of them, but for today I will concentrate on the bench, specifically the primary left-handed pinch hitter.
I'm going to make a few assumptions regarding the bench, namely that three spots are already etched in stone:
- Brad Ausmus, backup catcher
- Reed Johnson, fourth outfielder
- Jamey Carroll, backup second and third baseman
The battle for starting second baseman is between Ronnie Belliard, Blake DeWitt, and a scale, as Belliard's contract becomes guaranteed if he weighs in at 209 pounds or less at any point during spring training. I believe Carroll was signed to be the backup at second and third, starting occasionally at both positions. Carroll's role would have been the same whether DeWitt or Belliard was the starter. Much like last year with Orlando Hudson, the market for second baseman tanked and as the winter dragged on Belliard drew closer and closer to the Dodgers' price range.
If general manager Ned Colletti has established any type of trend in roster building, it's that he prefers veterans for bench roles, with the theory that the development of younger players would be better served by playing everyday in the minors rather that playing sporadically in the majors and sitting on the bench most of the time. Thus, even though the 24-year old DeWitt bats left-handed, I don't consider him a candidate for a bench role. He will likely either win the second base job or get the DeWitt Discount on yet another flight to Albuquerque.
Xavier Paul is the only other player on the 40-man roster that fits the bill as a potential left-handed pinch hitter, and he also provides flexibility with the ability to play all three outfield spots. However, he is much more likely to spend his age 25 season playing everyday in Triple A, for the reasons noted above.
Of the 14 non-roster batters, there are two switch hitters: JD Closser and Alfredo Amezaga. I don't even want to know all the dominoes that would have to fall for Closser to fill this bench role; if anything his shot of making the big league roster is as backup catcher, which would require a few injuries as well. Amezaga has hit better from the left side in his career, but his .687 OPS from that side isn't likely to win him this role. Amezaga, who is recovering from micro-fracture surgery on his left knee, is more likely to make the club as the backup shortstop (and occasional outfielder) than as the primary lefty pinch hitter.
That leaves us with two likely veteran options: Doug Mientkiewicz and Brian Giles. Here is a quick look at their stats against right-handed pitchers over the last three years:
| Doug Mientkiewicz |
Age: 36 | |||||
| Year | PA | 2B | HR | BA/OBP/SLG | OPS | wRC+ |
| 2007 | 159 | 11 | 5 | .286/.351/.471 | .822 | 118 |
| 2008 | 281 | 14 | 2 | .283/.384/.376 | .760 | 109 |
| 2009 | 17 | 1 | 0 | .333/.412/.400 | .812 | 129 |
| Brian Giles |
Age: 39 | |||||
| Year | PA | 2B | HR | BA/OBP/SLG | OPS | wRC+ |
| 2007 | 367 | 19 | 11 | .286/.368/.458 | .826 | 126 |
| 2008 | 424 | 29 | 11 | .309/.399/.485 | .883 | 146 |
| 2009 | 165 | 8 | 2 | .221/.309/.321 | .630 | 79 |
| Thanks to Baseball-Reference & FanGraphs | ||||||
Both missed significant time last season with injuries. Mientkiewicz separated his shoulder stretching a single into a double in April, and didn't come back until September. Giles has an arthritic right knee and he didn't play after June 18 last season. Mientkiewicz might have some sort of advantage as the incumbent, and ordinarily I would credit him for having defensive versatility, but I'm not sure this bench role will require much glove work. Mientkiewicz also has more experience coming off the bench, with 107 career pinch hitting plate appearances versus 57 for Giles.
Giles has the benefit of having the more potent bat, specifically in the power department. He has been hampered by Petco Park, and has an ISO (isolated power) of .168 on the road over the last three years, versus just .100 in San Diego. Over that same period, Giles hit a home run every 35.8 plate appearances on the road versus one every 117.8 PA at home. The Dodgers haven't had a real power threat off the bench since Olmedo Saenz (although Wilson Betemit had a nice run in 2007), so the allure of a healthy Giles might be too strong to ignore.
This spot pretty much comes down to health. If Giles is healthy, he will hit, and he'll win the job. If not, Mientkiewicz likely will get the role, at least for as long as he remembers to slide feet first.
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From Jon Weisman
of Dodger Thoughts:
ESPN.com/LA’s Tony Jackson says Dodgers did not sign Eric Gagne Wednesday night, contrary to this CTV report
Probably, but just that nothing is done yet.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t tell me you wouldn’t get goosebumps if Welcome to the Jungle came on over the speakers even just one more time and seeing Gagne running out to the mound. It would be worth it if it happened just one time when Broxton was resting that day with a 3 run lead, lol.
Even if Gagne were to (1) sign, then (2) make the team, he will not be closing any games, unless a whole slew of people are unavailable. Relievers don’t get music when they enter a game in the fifth or sixth inning. :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Any chance he is going to be in the running for the 5th spot in the rotation? I thought I read where he was trying to come back as a starter. Even at that, I would think that he is only in the running in the same sense that Ortiz and Towers are in the running for the 5th spot.
He could come
in with the song to do mop up
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 18, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
I really think they would for him. Signing him would essentially be for the publicity at this point, so if he actually makes the majors they would have to do something.
Given the Manny suspension was only last season, is signing one of the most prominent Dodgers (second to Lo Duca?) in the Mitchell report good publicity?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Good or bad the opinion on people who took steroids isnt as bad as it use to be, and Manny didn’t get close to the scrutiny that most of the other ones got, so with Gagne I think he would get so much less. Gagne was everyone’s favorite from 02-04, so I don’t think it would be a bad thing to most Dodger fans if here were signed to a minor league deal.
I will admit, it would be pretty exciting.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
As someone who witnessed 2000 Hershiser, I would say I would not have goosebumps to see Gagne come in.
2000 Orel: worst ERA in modern baseball history (1901-present) for anyone with 20+ innings.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
It could make for an interesting blog post comparing the two seasons, perhaps with a dash of 2004 Hideo Nomo thrown into the mix.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
In his final start, he gave up eight runs in the second inning and was relieved with two out by Carlos Perez.
That’s the “2005 Dodgers started 12-2” moment where the click in the roller coaster happens :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
As someone who witnessed 1988 Sutton I would say I would not have goosebumps to see Gagne come in. :)
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by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Oooh, good one. I forgot about 1988 Sutton.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Us old farts have our uses!
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by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I still think the “Dodgers” script on the road unis were cool. Not that I don’t like the current ones, but I grew up with these.
by silverwidow on Feb 18, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
The Dodgers wore the “Los Angeles” road unis through 1969 then switched to the “Dodgers” road grays to start the 1970s. I barely remember the late 60s, so I more or less grew up with the “Dodgers” ones, but I applaud the return to the “Los Angeles” road jerseys. I heartily endorse wearing the city name on the road unis.
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by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I agree, I like having Los Angeles on the road unis too. I own one jersey, it’s a road one because I like having Los Angeles on there.
In the early 60s, the Lakers represented L.A. on their road unis also:

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by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
your image isn’t working but I think those are the ones I’ve seen at Staples a few times, they’re great.
Funny, showed up when I posted but disappeared with the refresh. Click here.
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by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
and yes, they’ve worn them on throwback days.
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by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
He looks like he should be playing with the Who
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 18, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
If Giles wins the job, I’m wondering a) if Eye Chart somehow also makes it and b) if he’d accept a AAA assignment.
Very doubtful there is room for both on the bench, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Mientkiewicz accepted a spot in AAA to start the season.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Doug’s veteran status gives him the right to refuse? Or does his deal bind him to the club for a year?
I know for sure Giles has an out clause, but I don’t know if Mientkiewicz does. He most likely does, but they could probably convince him to stick around; perhaps renegotiate a new deal with a new date (May or June) that he has to be called up or released, like they did with Eric Milton last year.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Made a couple of revisions
to the payroll worksheet:
Reed Johnson’s incentives:
$50,000 for 80 games played
$75,000 for 100 G
$50,000 for 300 plate appearances
$75,000 for 350 PA
Jason Schmidt’s deferred money is paid out $2m in 2010, $1.5m in 2011 (not $2.5/1 as I had before).
I am pulling for
Giles to win the lefty spot on the bench, though I won’t be too unhappy if Minky gets the nod. I would just like to have a little pop off the bench is all.
I’ll be happy if Giles wins the job because he is healthy and can hit. The baseball. OTOH, I can be happy if he doesn’t make the team, if it turns out that any significant part of what he is accused of is true.
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by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
and I wonder if anyone will bring up Giles at the “Safe at Home” Torre/Koufax event next Saturday. I don’t even know if there is a Q&A, but that is a tempting question to ask.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
I believe there’s a better venue for that question. Like, anywhere else on earth, starting in Camelback.
You’re right: the level of awkwardness would be crazy on Feb 27.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
That video tape and eye witness account seem pretty damning. I’m fine with not having him on the team, even if it means giving up a win or two.
I would tend to agree, although it would seem to be a break from the norm for Ned to sign a veteran with some questionable character issues or outstanding scandal that could reflect negatively on the team. He typically brings in good character types, especially to fill out these final spots on the team, so I would think that they did their homework on him.
Nah
Ned became making exceptions the moment he signed Furcal. But of course, driving drunk still gets a free pass in baseball. Did Belisario even get a slap on the wrist?
I thought
about Furcal, but I think Ned relaxes his standards when it comes to possible starting impact players. Bellisario didn’t get his DUI until he was already on the team.
I am referring more to bench players like the Lorretta, Ausmus, Minky types that fill out the last couple of spots on the team.
When managers like Tony LaRussa barely get disciplined for it, I can’t hardly expect the players to be, though they should.
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by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
I agree that they probably think Giles is past this issue, or has at least moved on, but don’t forget Ned signed….
double DUI Rafael Furcal…twice
Gary Bennett, fresh off the Mitchell Report
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
What event
are you all talking about with Giles?
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 18, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks
I meant incident.
Man, that kind of thing really pisses me off.
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 18, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I think you are referring
to the Torre/Koufax event. If someone wasted a question about Giles on that Event I’d hang him.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 18, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
I was at the game
with great seats the night Eyechart hurt himself. I can’t remember the context perfectly other than it was a big hit at a big moment, but when he went into that bizarre swan dive I immediately was like WTF was that?!
Two-RBI double against the Giants to push out the lead to four in the bottom of the sixth. I remember watching it on TV and wondering why the hell guys slide when they know there’s no play coming.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
from my seat
about 120 feet away, it looked like a kind of “victory slide”, the crowd was rockin’ and I think it was his first hit (first PA?) of the year.
That play actually had a larger ripple effect, pushing Loretta into a more prominent PH role against both lefties and righties. I think Loretta suffered because of it.
I’d be surprised if Carroll, in the Lorretta role, SLGs much more than .300
by silverwidow on Feb 18, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Is Carroll in the Loretta role? I am slightly confused as to exactly what Carroll will be asked to do this season.
Yup. Although Carroll fill in at 2B and 3B, instead of 1B and 3B.
by silverwidow on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
So, is Loney playing 162 or is Blake going to spell him and have Carroll at 3rd? Having seen some of Blake at first last year, I’m not in love with the latter.
If Mientkiewicz wins a bench spot, he’s your backup 1B. If not, the spot starts probably go to Blake and Belliard.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Isn’t Belliard a bit too short for 1B? I know it’s the easiest position on the diamond to play, but height matters.
by silverwidow on Feb 18, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
If he had to do it regularly, it would be a problem. But for 5-10 starts I think they’ll work around it.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I’m starting to wonder who will be the Dodger 1B in 2013. It’s not that far off anymore. :)
If Lambo is being groomed as an OF, we really have no options.
by silverwidow on Feb 18, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Really?
2013?
Who worries about 2013?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 18, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
How can you not be worried about 2013?? Kershaw and Kemp could be up for Free Agency around then and we might have to worry about if we can resign them or not! lol
We have Kershaw through 2014, so rest easy! :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
It's like Ethier & Martin, only more club friendly
Kershaw won’t even qualify for Super Two after 2011
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Kershaw only got 105 days of service time in 2008. A full season is 183 days long, but you only have to get 172 days to accumulate a full year (and you can’t accumulate more than 172 in any given year).
The lowest a Super Two has ever been in terms of service time was 2 years, 129 days. There is pretty much no chance Kershaw will be among the top 17% of the guys with in between 2-3 years service time to be a Super Two.
So the Dodgers will get Kershaw until he has completed six full years, which runs through 2014. And only three of them will be arb years.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
You resisted an opportunity to try and twist that into an Ethier-or situation. Kudos.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Once the game in Washington happened last year, my Ethier/Orr thirst was quenched.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
You will get thirsty again if Kyle Orr ever learns to hit.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
No question.
Imagine if we draft a pitcher with the last name of Aand or something :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently Jon Cusack was unable to convince Silverwidow that the world will end in 2012 :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I take pride in knowing how to spell it, much like Grudzielanek. :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
The Dodgers would have run out of letters to put on jerseys. Frank would have asked them to differ Z’s and K’s over three years.
by prosellis on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wanted him last year
Thought he and DeWitt would have been a decent solution.
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by Phil Gurnee on Feb 18, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Well, he’s sort of in the Loretta role, only with actual playing time at 2B. And hopefully the presence of a LHB pinch hitter will lessen the PH load on Carrolloretta
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
For instance, Carroll got 28 starts last year (14 each at 1B and 2B)…I expect Carroll to double that.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
?
?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 18, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I think Carroll will start ~60 or so games (possibly more)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
but is this correct
Carroll got 28 starts last year (14 each at 1B and 2B)"
I didn’t even know Carroll played 1B
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by Phil Gurnee on Feb 18, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Oops
meant Loretta started 28 games in 2009
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
In case this wasn't mentioned this morning
Buster Olney talked with Colletti regarding the club’s 5th starter candidates, and the names are all ones we expect:
Elbert, Haeger, McDonald, Monasterios, Stults, Ortiz, Ortiz, Towers
Lindblom wasn’t listed, but he could have been missed by Buster:
I don’t know if I kept up and jotted down every name he mentioned over the phone, but here is at least most of them
Nothing new here.
Headlines
So we’re already into our name-a-day spring training stories, and I find the headlines somewhat amusing (just for the angle that is chosen). Here are the last two:
“Ethier not satisfied with past success”
“Kuroda aims to recover from painful ’09”
What others stories do we have to look forward to?
Furcal says back is “now” pain free
Casey Blake is a moderating influence on his younger teammates
Martin expects to bounce back with new exercise program
2009 was a learning experience for Billingsley
Russ Ortiz has so much to offer the young pitchers on the Dodgers
Brian Giles looking to prove he can help the Dodgers
Ausmus teaching Martin how to sacrifice power for play calling
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 18, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Wade looking to rebound
Gagne in the best shape of his life
Belliard tips the scales in his favor
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
DeWitt awarded ‘Super Platinum’ status by airline
Barton calculates odds of making roster, not pleased with results
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Kemp won’t let limelight affect performance.
Broxton trying tinted contacts to hide the look in his eyes.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Feb 18, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Dodgers seek No. 5 starter
Dodgers still seek No. 5 starter
No. 5 starter still on Dodger agenda
Fans: ‘Where the hell is my No. 5 starter?’
Dodgers find No. 5 starter, still seek ace
by JonWeisman on Feb 18, 2010 12:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Dodgers shuffle the deck to find an ace
Nick Green still can’t believe non-strike call, or that Rivera didn’t dive
Ramon Ortiz signed by accident due to clerical error searching for “R.Ortiz”
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
These are all good
I’ll add a few more:
Sherrill hopes he won’t be left behind when the end is near
Armando Zerpa commands respects through words, deeds
Scott Dohmann promises big year if given chance
Argenis Reyes: Who is he and how long has he been playing baseball?
XP sees Windows of opportunity closing
Jason Schmidt finally pain free, reaching upper 90s on radar gun
Juan Pierre slams Colletti, Torre in expletive-laden tirade at Sox Fest
Very interesting player perspective
on arbitration, from Brian Bruney, who lost his case with the Nats. Thanks to Federal Baseball
You trained them well
when they first came over, lots of swearing but the novelty wore off and it is like we have our own 10 rules. However the no hitter rule falls by the 3rd inning.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 18, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Just don't send D4P
over here.
Study just came out that says being happy helps the heart. I’m not sure if they studied the fact that having a healthy heart might play into being happy and that the correlation is simply culling the herd.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I'm going to make a prediction and say Minky
wins the backup lefty bench spot. IF he’s healthy, I believe he can still hit, has the requisite veteran-ness, and can spell Loney at 1st which may come in handy once in awhile. (Hopefully not due to injury.) Of course Loney being a lefty also means that it wouldn’t be to spell Loney for that reason…
I really do think Giles is close to done, and it sounds like he’ll be willing to admit that too if that’s the case. If I’m wrong, and he reverts to form of 2 or more years ago, fine by me. But I don’t see it. I also still want XPaul, even on the bench. But I know that’s not gonna happen anytime soon.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Yeah
I think Mientkiewicz is the most likely to win the spot, especially since it’s likely Giles isn’t healthy enough to still be productive.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 12:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Screw car rental companies
I’m a safe driver, but because I’m 20 I’m screwed if I want to rent a car. UGHHH.
Face it boys, I’m older than you and I have better insurance.
(That’s a movie you probably never expected to be referenced in a baseball blog.)
I guess you have to blame your peers for their exemplary track record. Of course, it’s been this way for a long time, so you can blame us old farts for what we did in our 20s also.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Thanks David!
I’ll be the first to say people my age really suck at driving, whether by being reckless or not paying enough attention. It just sucks because I was taught driving by my dad who is the safest driver I’ve ever seen, and I have to deal with all the crap from everyone else who sucks at driving :(
I was planning a road trip to Phoenix on March 6th to the night of the 7th for a Coyotes game with my gf. I asked my sister to borrow one of her 5 cars, lol, which was the Hummer 2, but she’s worried because I will be going so far and doesn’t want me to take it. My dad most likely won’t let me take his car for the same reason. I don’t know anyone else that I could borrow a car from.
Oh, my car is an 90 Miata with a cracked radiator so I have to fill it with water any time I drive it, and it gets taxed at 80 miles, so I wouldn’t even try 400.
Stupid life! lol
Ha
my fun car is 92 Miata. Still doesn’t have 100,000 miles on it.
What kind of sister has five cars and won’t let you borrow one? Phoenix is nothing, tell your sister to quit treating you like a baby brother. A Hummer 2 to Phoenix will cost you plenty.
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Haha, that’s funny. That car model was the same for almost a decade so they are probably very similar. Mine is a red convertible.
Mine has around 113000 miles on it, but I put 14 k on it in the last year my self and my dad had it for 19 years before that : / lol
I know she wants to help, but her husband is going to be the one with the problem with me going that far with it. She’s just worried something will happen and it’s too risky. She has a lexus (she drives that), integra (husband drives that), an older f-150, an 80s caddy, and the Hummer 2. I chose to ask for the Hummer because I’ve driven it to Hollywood before for Prom, and the 150 would be the same gas-wise.
I did the math and it would cost 220 bucks on gas if I went 1000 miles and the Hummer got 14 mpg. If I actually got to take it I would be happy to pay that much because it’s the only option I’ve got…well…had.
Oh well.
$220 – wouldn’t a pair of plane tix on SW, and a taxi from the hotel to the areana and back be cheaper? Heck, pick the right hotel and they probably have a free arena shuttle.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I thought about that, but it’s 3 weeks from now (2 weekends really), and I don’t really know the cost of taxi’s or the info for shuttles. I assumed we’d just be able to borrow the car since I asked my sister a month ago about it and she still hasn’t gotten around to asking her husband :(
I just check at that time and there are $49 flights one way from Southwest. You can’t beat that
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 18, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
“asking her husband” – doesn’t that go something like, “honey, my brother is borrowing the Hummer.” ?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
He’s a cool enough guy, but he’s protective of his cars. My sister told me she wouldn’t let her stepson take the car on a trip like that, it’s just too bad that I’m way more responsible than he ever has been.
I think I’m going to end up having to ask my gf’s parents to take their main car (pt cruiser) for the trip. I don’t want to ask, but I think they’d do it.
Hey, a PT Cruiser is just like renting a car, so now you did it!
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 18, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t most places rent under 25…they just hit you with a fee.
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 18, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
A hummer for a hummer
would do the trick.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
5 cars and none to borrow. What is up with that?
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 18, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s the fact that the distance is so far, so it doesnt really matter if she has any that are free.
Don't get hurt now
we’d all feel bad for egging you on.
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I don’t know what is a more ban-able offense:
1) You referencing Fried Green Tomatoes
or
2) Me knowing the reference immediately!
by Eric Stephen on Feb 18, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Great movie
Southern stories are a bit more interesting then Hollywood tripe.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Who would have thought that Fannie Flagg, who I always thought of as the game show lady: Match Game!, had that kind of story in her? I wonder how the movie would have worked if she hadn’t written out the lesbian angle that was in her book. BTW, did you know that Fannie Flagg’s birth name is Patricia Neal? She’s one of those folk that was required to take a stage name to get in the union. And check out this story on her wikipedia page:
At one time Flagg was linked in the press (and was in some reports said to be married) to actor Dick Sargent. The two appeared as a couple on the 1970s game show Tattletales, which featured celebrities and their spouses, though at no time were they presented as a true couple. Host Bert Convy would introduce them as “Dick Sargent and his lady, Fannie Flagg.” Sargent was himself gay and eventually came out before his death in 1994.4Hilarious – I love it.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
At least I inspired
one of the funniest threads I’ve seen in a while. No, I had not seen that, thanks for sharing.
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Win
47. Accent Shallow Posted: February 18, 2010 at 01:15 PM (#3462881)
FELIX HERNANDEZ ENDS WAR
. . .“He’s just too good to evaluate via one metric,” says Dave Cameron

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