Is this the worst group of Free Agents ever?
or at least in the last ten years?
The 40 man roster is full, Ned has added so many like minded free agents either with major or minor league contracts it looks like he could build two AAA teams. So with that in mind what do we have?
Some folk are bemoaning the lack of upside with the group of free agent signings the Dodgers are bringing to camp in 2010. The names of Jamey Carroll, Alfredo Amezaga, Angel Berroa, Nick Green, Reed Johnson, Justin Miller, Armando Zerpa, Carlos Monasterios, Ramon Ortiz, and Russ Ortiz just don't inspire awe, shock, and destruction. They inspire aweshucks those guys suck. How much do they suck?
In Jon Weisman's debut column at ESPNLA he pointed out that our competition didn't do much either and listed the additions to each team. I already knew the names but seeing them in that context my first thought was that must be the most motley group of free agent signings I've ever seen. So I set out to see how they looked in comparison to the rest of the decade. To this exercise I'm using win shares, one column will show the win shares from the prior year and one column shows the win shares for the year they played for us after they were signed. Many people are signed each year but not all of them actually played for the Dodgers. I only included those players who actually played for us.
2009 - big year as we brought in frontline free agents Wolf and Hudson who did as much or even more then expected. However the big winner in this had to be Ronaldo Belisario who we expected nothing of but who was part of the backbone of the best bullpen in baseball. Jeff Weaver also has to count as a huge surprise. Big bust was Ohman, not only did he get hurt and not pitch but because he was hurt we ended up trading Bell and Johnson for Sherrill. So Ohman hurt us not only in 2009 but again in the future. Oh man, how could you do us like that.
2008 - Very few signees but the big fish were Andruw Jones and Kuroda. So again we had two front line A list type of signees. Jones was an incredible bust while Kuroda earned his contract. The big surprise again was a bullpen guy, another old friend, as Chan Ho Park proved solid in spot starts and the bullpen.
2007 - A plethora of signings. Juan Pierre, MikeJason Schmidt, and Randy Wolf were the big names. Pierre did what he had been doing, to much money for the production but at least he did what the Dodgers expected him to do. Wolf was okay until he got hurt. Schmidt never got started on his Dodger career and you could easily say he was the biggest bust the Dodgers have ever had as a free agent, though the Andruw Jones contract or Dreifort contract could also weigh in heavily. No good surprises in 2007.
2006 - Ned was very busy in his first year. Top talent was signed in the name of Furcal, Nomar, Lofton, Mueller. 2nd tier talent was signed in the name of Tomko. Furcal did exactly what he was signed to do. Nomar even more, Lofton held his own. Mueller was the big bust because of the career ending injury. Tomko was not quite a bust, he sucked but he pitched as he normally did. Again as we would see in 2009 and 2008 the biggest surprise was in the bullpen but this time he was not only a surprise he was a stud. Maybe the best free agent signing of the decade? Takashi Saito had 18 win shares in 2006 making the minimum. Aaron Sele did a bangup job as a spot starter.
2005 - Depo brought in top talent such as JD Drew, Jeff Kent, and Derek Lowe and until JD broke his wrist they held up there side of the bargain. Jose Valentin was 2nd tier talent but it hurt like hell when he went down for the season in early spring. No unheralded surprises here. Does anyone still remember how hot this team was in April?
2004 - With the sale of the team in limbo for so long and a GM getting started in ST not many moves were made. Just like 2010 not one front tier talent was signed. However we got strong seasons from the likes of Jose Hernandez, Duaner Sanchez, and Olmedo Saenz. No one saw it coming that Lima Time would be the prime unheralded signing in 2004. Where do these come from, these guys whose careers seem over, yet they get a 2nd life. It happens too often for it to be a fluke.
2003 - You think 2010 looks like dead year, try 2003. We signed plenty of people but only Fred McGriff and Ron Coomer saw any significant time. No unheralded NRI's here.
2002 - Kaz Ishii was the hot new import from Japan while Hideo Nomo was trying a repeat performance. Nomo was very good, Ishii was not. No unheralded NRI's here.
2001 - Andy Ashby, what a bust, but how about what Giovanni Carrera and the forgotten Jeff Reboulet did? If Jamey Carroll can pull a Jeff Reboulet I'll be very happy.
So in retrospect the 2010 free agent group is a motley group but is it our motliest? We won't know until next November when the season ends and we see how they performed. Which one of them will surprise? My money would be on someone who can pitch in the bullpen but man how will he find a way into our bullpen? So since I've been dumping Jamey Carroll since the day we signed, I would not be the least bit surprised to see him pull a Jeff Reboulet and make me look stupid.
Read the complete list after the jump.
| Year | FirstName | LastName | PriorWinShares | WinShares |
| 2009 | Brad | Ausmus | 8 | 3 |
| 2009 | Juan | Castro | 2 | 2 |
| 2009 | Charlie | Haeger | 0 | 1 |
| 2009 | Orlando | Hudson | 17 | 20 |
| 2009 | Mark | Loretta | 9 | 3 |
| 2009 | Doug | Mientkiewicz | 10 | 1 |
| 2009 | Eric | Milton | 0 | 1 |
| 2009 | G | Mota | 4 | 4 |
| 2009 | Will | Ohman | 5 | 0 |
| 2009 | Claudio | Vargas | 2 | 4 |
| 2009 | Jeff | Weaver | 0 | 5 |
| 2009 | Randy | Wolf | 7 | 14 |
| 2009 | Ronaldo | Belisario | 0 | 7 |
| 2008 | Jason | Johnson | - | - |
| 2008 | Andruw | Jones | 15 | 2 |
| 2008 | Hiroki | Kuroda | 0 | 10 |
| 2008 | Tom | Martin | - | - |
| 2008 | Chan Ho | Park | 0 | 6 |
| 2007 | Luis | Gonzalez | 12 | |
| 2007 | Mike | Lieberthal | 6 | 1 |
| 2007 | Juan | Pierre | 15 | 12 |
| 2007 | Jason | Schmidt | 15 | 0 |
| 2007 | Rudy | Seanez | 2 | - |
| 2007 | Randy | Wolf | 2 | 5 |
| 2006 | Sandy | Alomar | 2 | 3 |
| 2006 | Joe | Beimel | 1 | 7 |
| 2006 | Rafy | Furcal | 26 | 27 |
| 2006 | Nomar | Garciaparra | 5 | 17 |
| 2006 | Kenny | Lofton | 15 | 12 |
| 2006 | Ramon | Martinez | 2 | 5 |
| 2006 | Bill | Mueller | ||
| 2006 | Takashi | Saito | 0 | 18 |
| 2006 | Aaron | Sele | 2 | 5 |
| 2006 | Brett | Tomko | 8 | 5 |
| 2005 | Paul | Bako | 2 | 1 |
| 2005 | JD | Drew | 31 | 12 |
| 2005 | Mike | Edwards | 0 | 3 |
| 2005 | Scott | Erickson | 0 | 0 |
| 2005 | DJ | Houlton | ||
| 2005 | Jeff | Kent | 22 | 28 |
| 2005 | Ricky | Ledee | 5 | 7 |
| 2005 | Derek | Lowe | 6 | 11 |
| 2005 | Norihiro | Nakamura | 0 | - |
| 2005 | Jose | Valentin | 14 | 2 |
| 2004 | Brain | Falkenborg | 0 | 0 |
| 2004 | Jason | Grabowski | - | - |
| 2004 | Jose | Hernandez | 6 | 9 |
| 2004 | Jose | Lima | 5 | 9 |
| 2004 | Olmedo | Saenz | 0 | 4 |
| 2004 | Duaner | Sanchez | 0 | 6 |
| 2003 | Wilson | Alvarez | 2 | 10 |
| 2003 | Ron | Coomer | 1 | 0 |
| 2003 | Fred | McGriff | 18 | 8 |
| 2002 | Kaz | Ishii | 0 | 6 |
| 2002 | Mike | Kinkade | 2 | 3 |
| 2002 | Hideo | Nomo | 11 | 13 |
| 2001 | Andy | Ashby | 8 | 1 |
| 2001 | Giovanni | Carrera | 0 | 8 |
| 2001 | Phil | Hiatt | - | - |
| 2001 | Jesse | Orosco | 0 | 1 |
| 2001 | Jeff | Reboulet | 3 | 10 |
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Comments
Nerd
I will lose respect for JPG if he gives in to this assault on his little quirk.
by Andrew Shimmin on Feb 2, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
Funny, I edited it at about the same time you made your comment.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Okay
Then I won’t hold it against Phil. Now I know the true enemy of the spirit of human expression is David “The Man” Young.
by Andrew Shimmin on Feb 3, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
I feel like I've
been pillaged. Might be my worse day ever.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Man, Free Agency hasn't been too kind to the Dodgers in the 2000's
I mean there have been some really good players for the Dodgers, but nothing like a team with a budget like the Dodgers should have had. At least Barry Zito never donned a Dodger uni.
Worst Free Agent Class?
Maybe, but its not something I find too alarming. Unlike all of those prior years, there are very few question marks on this squad or places to upgrade. I suppose the Dodgers could have brought in a “front line starter” or a first basemen, but there was no market for those anyway. I was fine letting Wolf walk and the two best options for an upgrade at first base would have had to been aquired via trade (and McCourt would have to been a lot richer) in Fielder and Cabrera.
If the Dodgers had big money to spend, the year to do it was 2009, when Sabatihia and Tex were on the market. Those two went for top dollar to say the least, and the Dodgers did get the next best available hitter in Manny Ramirez, on terms that were much better for the Dodgers then what we were thinking when 2008 ended.
Worst Free Agent Class? (it was foretold)
“It’s a weak class of free-agent starters” originally published: September 11, 2009
No way Carroll gets cut
unless his contract has some sort of arbitration-like clause that lets the team get out of most of the money if he’s cut early. He’s pretty much a lock for the roster.
They signed Carroll to a 2-year major league deal
because they wanted him on the team. He’s not going anywhere.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
I also doubt any other team wants to take on that contract commitment for 2011. It’s not a lot of money, but for Carroll?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Rockies got Mora for less years and $
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly, although Mora is three years older. I think you guys have 77 years of corner IF on the bench over there.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It does concern me, quite frankly
but if either gets hurt, Eric Young Jr wouldn’t be the worst 25th man in the world.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
He might still be able to play
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 4, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Weaver being effective
last year is no indication he will be effective in 2010. We have been touting our incredible bullpen but all of that is based on last years performance and no position has a wider swing of production then relief pitchers. It would surprise no one if Belisario all of the sudden became what he was before he donned his Dodger blue, or that Kuo’s arm finally snaps in two, or that Broxton’s weight causes some type of healthy issue, or that George Sherrill loses a bit of his luck. We have plenty of backup in McDonald, Elbert, and Lindblom, just don’t be surprised if the guys who we are counting on this year are not the guys who end up saving the bullpen in 2010.
Just look at who we expected to be in the pen in 2009 at this time last year and who ended up in the pen by the time the Division was clinched.
Interesting quote from Rueben Amaro
per Baseball Prospectus:
“I was talking to some people the other day and I said, ‘I’m not a dummy. I know what Cliff Lee means to our rotation in addition to Halladay and Hamels. It’s a no-brainer,’” Amaro said. “Our goal is to be a contender every year, not just to be a competitor, but to be a contender every year. That’s really my job. As an executive of the club, it’s my job to do what I can to try to maintain that level of talent on the club and that hope from the fans. So, yes, I’d like to have a championship, but not at the cost of having our organization not be good for 10 years. Absolutely not. That’s not the goal. The goal is to be a contender every year. And once you get to the World Series or get to the playoffs, it’s really a matter of who’s playing the best baseball, who’s hottest, who has the karma.”
His last line is what we have been saying for years.
Mr. Torre is on record expressing the same idea.
Makes sense too.
by 68elcamino427 on Feb 3, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Amaro seems like a smart guy
He’s certainly done some nice work, and I’m sure he’s forgotten more about baseball than I’ll ever know. Nevertheless…I still can’t believe that he gave up one year of Lee for three years of Blanton- which, contrary to the media’s portrayal, was the true de facto exchange for Lee, not Halladay.
I guess time will tell.
on the other hand
I loved this line:
“So, yes, I’d like to have a championship, but not at the cost of having our organization not be good for 10 years. Absolutely not. That’s not the goal. The goal is to be a contender every year.”
Words to live by- especially in July.
I agree about Lee. I guess it all depends on how Aumont, Gillies, and Rivera perform for the Phillies, but I probably would have kept Lee in 2010 and traded Blanton, for a package much less than those 3 above of course.
Sure, they have Blanton in 2011-2012 for $9m each year, but it seems like you can get a pitcher like him every offseason for $5-6m or less.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Ramon Ortiz has been signed to a minor league deal.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/02/dodgers-sign-ramon-ortiz.html
So let me try and think of these signings off the top of my head:
Russ Ortiz
Ramon Ortiz
Jeff Weaver
Justin Miller
Luis Ayala
John Lindsay
Alfredo Amezega (maybe)
Jamey Carroll
Eyechart
Berroa
Nick Green
Ok, that’s what I can think of right now. That list of players makes me sad, haha. But really, maybe 2 or 3 of these guys can actually contribute something positive to the MLB team. My money would be on Justin Miller and Jeff Weaver again.
Guys expected to make the team
Amezega
Carroll
Eyechart
It would seem that Weaver is battling Justin Miller. I see no room whatsoever for the rule five guys.
I already added Ramon Ortiz
to the list and Dave already has a column up about it.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/2/2/1290289/more-pitchers-coming-to-camelback
We be way a head of you.
We are up to 24 NRIs (including Lindblom and Mitchell)
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/12/11/1197078/dodgers-2010-minor-league-deals
I completely forgot about Koronka, Felix, Dohmann, Perez, Clausser, Reyes, Barton, Gibbons, Timo, Redman, and Restovich.
And when the hell did we sign Josh Towers???
This list is a who’s who of who?
I think
Towers was one of the first. Now he’s wondering what the hell. I expect many a NRI who signed back in Jan is calling their agent and asking what they hell he got them into. Maybe the Dodgers are going to operate two AAA franchises this year.
Seems like we've been snake-bit with our free agents
but that also could go back to poor scouting on the part of the Dodgers. Guys like Jason Schmidt & Andruw Jones were big splashes, but the team should not have overlooked the risk factors. Dreifort was a huge gamble for a guy who showed a lot of potential, but not a lot of productions.
However, when it comes to this year’s list, there really wasn’t much out there. I don’t know there was anyone we could have gotten that really would have pushed this team over the top. If there was a year to stand pat, this was it. None of the other teams in the division have improved themselves and we will still contend for the divisions, unfortunately with the Phillies continuing to improve the chances of passing them up become more limited.
Oh well, Go Dodgers in 2010!
Woohoo, I get to look forward to another 7-6 season ("at best") in 2010! There's nothing like going to Idaho for a bowl game.
It was a weak class
and we didn’t have many openings but based on what happened this winter I would have rather have Kelly Johnson then Carroll but that is about it.
How about Pineiro or Lackey?
I realize both were priced out of the budget for the most part, but they didn’t have to be.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
I think Pinerio is a bubble about to burst.
The reality of the Dodger budget constraints kept me for even considering Lackey as a possibility. But 5 years/$82.5M for the age 31-35 seasons of a pitcher with a career 117 ERA+, which is almost identical to the 118 ERA+ he has over the last two seasons, in which he made only 51 starts, missing about 23% of his starts? That price seems steep to me.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
DODGERS FREE AGENT SIGNING FOR 2010
This is by far the WORST that they have done. And they had some crappy ones with Jones, Schmidt, Tomko, Lorizano and God only remnembers the rest of the SUCKOS.
I am really starting to hate sports and all the bad decisions made because of money! Its bad enough you go broke buying a ticket, Dog and a beer with parking.
by California Mobile CPR on Feb 4, 2010 8:13 AM PST reply actions

























