More Pitchers Coming to Camelback
The Los Angeles Dodgers continue to stockpile arms in defense of their Western Division title, signing Jeff Weaver and Ramon Ortiz to minor league contracts and inviting both to spring training.
Weaver, 33, is a familiar face to Dodger fans, having been a solid starter in the 2004 and 2005 seasons for Los Angeles, then returning last season after having been out of the majors for one year. Weaver was reasonably effective in a swingman role in 2009, posting a 3.65 ERA (108 ERA+) in 79 innings, spread in seven starts and 28 relief appearances, despite having a whopping WHIP of 1.519. Allowing only one hit and three walks in 24 bases-loaded situations helped hold down the ERA.
Per Rhett Bollinger of mlb.com, Weaver signed an $800,000 minor-league contract. Dylan Hernandez states that Weaver has a chance of earning "around another $100k in performance bonuses".
Ramon Ortiz last pitched in the majors in 2007. In his three major league seasons after being traded by the Angels, he has a 5.47 ERA (78 ERA+) over 466 innings pitched, allowing 81 home runs over that span. Ortiz pitched one season in Japan for the Orix BlueWave, then last season pitched in AAA for the Giants affiliate in Fresno.
Presumably Weaver will be vying for his swingman role, and perhaps the newest R. Ortiz is yet another longshot fifth starter candidate who might provide emergency depth in the minors.
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I go dark for a few hours and I come back to see two more NRIs! That’s 24 now.
Everyone, check your mailboxes. You might be invited to Camelback!
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 12:01 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Minor thing
Dave, but I think you left out the + on Weavers 108 ERA+
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 3, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
Are you SURE he didn't have a 108.00 ERA?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
To few inning
but maybe they are doing this because of the trip to Taiwan?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Weaver
will be a solid middle reliever. Great addition with a young staff that will likely pitch fewer innings.
R.J. Anderson at Fangraphs wrote about Weaver, and was a little surprised there wasn’t more of a market for him:
Weaver is a ROOGY, or at least, the right-handed version of a lefty specialist. These types can come in handy, since most batters are of similar dexterity and this gives Weaver the perceived edge, but types like Weaver are also the most fungible reliever type around.
I’m happy with Weaver as the swingman, as long as he can replicate his numbers with the bases loaded :)
Weaver really was quite effective last year. I said it once, but I will say it again, his changing of the release location was brilliant.
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 3, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
The best use of Ramon Ortiz is as the answer to a trivia question
He was the winning pitcher in the play-in game between the Rockies and Padres in 2007, the “Did Holliday touch the plate” game.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 8:47 AM PST reply actions
Nice
I was actually looking at his gamelogs, hoping to find that he got the loss in the one game out of 22 that you last during that month or so. Alas, Ortiz did not pitch in that game.
Nope, that was all Webb ownage
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Things I didn't know until 5 minutes ago
Ramon Ortiz (37 in March) is older than Russ Ortiz (36 in June)
Wasn't Ramon
one of age gate guys, going from a huge prospect with the Angels to a guy with a good arm.
I saw this game.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ANA/ANA200008080.shtml
He looked awesome as he outdueled Pedro.
I should probably write a post about this
but just spitballing the roster, here are my thoughts:
Locks (11 offense, 9 pitching)
1) C Martin
2) 1B Loney
3) 2B Belliard
4) 2B Carroll
5) 3B Blake
6) SS Furcal
7) LF Manny
8) CF Kemp
9) RF Ethier
10) OF Johnson
11) C Ausmus
12) SP Kershaw
13) SP Billingsley
14) SP Kuroda
15) SP Padilla
16) CL Broxton
17) RP Sherrill
18) RP Kuo
19) RP Belisario
20) RP Troncoso
DeWitt will be given a shot at 2B, but he is facing an uphill battle, at least to start the season. I think the final two bench spots will go to:
21) PH Mientkiewicz
22) IF/OF Amezaga
Both are non-roster players, so a move will have to be made for each spot
As far as pitching, there are three spots: one starter and two relievers. I think the 5th starter comes down to Stults, Elbert, and McDonald (Torre said as much yesterday). To start the season at least, I think Stults gets the shot, with McDonald in the pen and Elbert in ABQ:
23) SP Stults
24) RP McDonald
The only reason I didn’t make McDonald a “lock” is because I think there’s an outside shot that he would start every 5th day in ABQ rather than join the major league bullpen. That leaves the 7th and final bullpen spot open, likely for a swingman role, although McDonald is capable of doing that as well if needed. I think Weaver gets every chance to take this spot, and he starts the season with the big club:
25) RP Weaver
Weaver is non-roster as well, so we need to clear three spots off the 40-man. The first two are easy: Monasterios and Zerpa, the Rule 5 guys who will need a superhuman performance in spring to get noticed, let alone make the team. The last one is tricky. If Stults doesn’t perform well and loses the 5th starter spot, he will be gone since he’s out of options. Another choice to drop would be Haeger of course. But, watch, it will be someone out of the blue who will be removed from the 40-man instead!
Anyway, that’s my predicted roster for opening day, even though it is probably a fool’s errand to try and forecast something two months away. These things have a way of sorting themselves out.
Couldn’t they just finally cut ties with poor Repko?
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 3, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
True.
I wonder if Repko wants to stick around or if he would like a shot at playing as the 4th OF for another team.
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 3, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Weird
Agent says his goal is to be ready by opening day, but Tony Jackson’s source says June. It’s probably somewhere in between, but the source has less of a fiduciary obligation in the matter so I trust him more :)
McDonald
Is a very interesting situation IMO. I feel like long term his worth should be as a mid-bottom of the rotation starter somewhere. For 2010, if he doesn’t win that 5th starter job or end up there by default, he will probably wind up in the bullpen. However, although he would certainly be useful in the pen (as he was last year), is that really maximizing his value?
What I mean is if his value is higher than just a middle reliever, maybe he should just be traded to maximize his value, rather than just letting him sit there as a reliever. Or then again, like you mentioned Eric, maybe he should start every 5 days at AAA in order to be ready to fill in if/when there is the inevitable injury…
I agree
as the 6th man in the pen, I’m not sure if that’s the best use of J-Mac. If McDonald doesn’t win the #5 spot, I’d rather have Cory Wade take that 6th man role in the pen, with McDonald starting in ABQ, so he’s ready to step into the big league rotation if needed.
I’d hate to see a situation where the Dodgers need a starter, but “can’t” use McDonald (or Elbert) because his arm wasn’t stretched out enough.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t like Torre’s comment from yesterday about potentially using Elbert as a multiple innings reliever.
Didn’t get a chance to read everything from last night yet, but that is troubling, yes.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
What is the point of bottling these guys up in the ’pen. They would be given the 5th starter job on at least 10 teams in this league.
I suppose
but how much of a haul do you expect to get for McDonald? I think he’s a better reliever than Wade, so why trade McDonald then use an inferior pitcher in his spot?
I actually think with McDonald’s velocity he could be made a closer elsewhere. But I don’t expect the Dodgers to get enough value for him in a trade, so I wouldn’t move him just to move him.
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't trade move him to just move him...
and for 2010 if the team need is to have him as a middle reliever then he should serve that need and I expect he will do well. However, I don’t want to think of him being pigeon-holed in that role going forward and if the organization doesn’t think of him as a starter, then I think they should try to use him (or Elbert if its the same scenario) as the centerpiece for someone.
Perhaps Monasterios could take the 6th spot in the bullpen with Weaver being the longman and McDonald starting in AAA.
Under that scenario
the AAA rotation could be something like:
Elbert
McDonald
Lindblom
Ely
Heagar (if he clears waivers)
Not a bad rotation to pull from if we need help.
Who is the 5th man in the rotation?
I guess you are pencilling in Stults?
I don’t see it. Torre hates Stults and if he was going to stick in the rotation it would have happened by now. I expect the number 5 man is JMac, Elbert or Lindblom.
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I think Stults has the inside track on being the 5th man because he is out of options and because he is a lefty. I think he also benefits from not really being a prospect anymore, if that makes any sense. I don’t believe the organization is worried too much about his development and thus might be more inclined to use him at the beginning of the season.
FYI
the Amezaga and Ortiz deals have been confirmed by the Dodgers. Haven’t seen any monetary notes RE: Ortiz (and I hope I never have to!).

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