Better Know a Stat- wOBA
As a follow up to the first Better Know a Stat entry which explained OPS+, wOBA is an advanced statistic which gives different weights to on base percentage and to slugging percentage, as opposed to OPS gives equal weight to the two.
wOBA is a linear weight formula presented as a rate statistic scaled to On Base Percentage. Essentially, what that means is that average wOBA will always equal average OBP for any given year. If you know what the league’s OBP is, you know what the league’s wOBA is. Usually, league average falls in the .335 range
The beauty of wOBA lies in linear weights. Essentially, every outcome has a specific run value that is proportional to other outcomes – a home run is worth a little more than twice as much a single, for instance. What wOBA does, as all linear weights formulas do, is value these outcomes relative to each other so that they are properly valued.
Simply speaking, the ability to get on base is the most important quality a hitter can have due to the rules of baseball. To paraphrase from Moneyball, unlike any other American sport, baseball is an un-timed game. So long as there are additional outs, a team is never out of the contest. As such, those outs are the most precious resource the hitting team has. With every out, the game is shortened, and every time a batter leaves the batters box without an out being recorded they have extended the game.
The fact that OBP is more important than SLG seems to be fairly instinctual within the TBLA community, and perhaps the player that most people point out the failings of OPS is when discussing Russell Martin. Martin certainly had a rough stretch at the plate last year, and his OPS fell from .781 in 2008 to .680 in 2009. Suffice it to say, an OPS of .680 is pretty bad for a catcher-- actually its pretty bad for basically any position. In fact, it ranks 31st out of 45 catchers with at least 200 plate appearances in 2009. However, Martin still posted a quite respectable OBP of .352 (good for 8th amongst catchers in 2009 with at least 200 plate appearances) so the most damaging aspect of his OPS was the very poor SLG of .329 (37th out of 45!) As such, wOBA provides a useful tool when measuring Martin who has such a sharp split with how he stacks up amongst his peers. Once giving more weight to OBP, as wOBA does, Martin posted a wOBA of .307, which is, frankly, still pretty bad (26th out of 45.)
Looking towards 2010 for Martin, one could argue that absent improvements in his SLG, he will have a hard time maintaining his stellar OBP. By posting a SLG less than his OBP, pitchers will be more inclined to challenge Martin as 2009 showed that Martin is having a hard time hitting for power. That’s not to say that 2010 will be the same struggles for Martin of course, as their have been reports that Martin added 20 pounds of muscle in the offseason. But wOBA should expose the fallacy that Martin’s strong OBP should forgive his inability to hit for power. One last and somewhat surprising note, Martin’s wOBA of .307 in 2009 compares unfavorably to favorite TBLA whipping boy Juan Pierre’s career wOBA of .325.
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I’m hearing Strasburg might break camp with the Nats. I think he’d be better served by starting in AA for a month, then AAA for another. It’ll give Washington 6 2/3 yrs of (Cy Young calibre) service.
When they gave him that major league contract
Wasn’t he expected to start the season with the big league club?
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Great Stuff Mike
Other then Fangraphs what sites give us wOBA?
Also would like to point out that many use Jamey Carrolls OB% as a reason for his value, but his wOBA was only .317 in 2009 and his career is .315.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1591&position=2B/3B#advanced
Belliard on the other hand sits at .331.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=677&position=2B#advanced
This site has wOBA for both major and minor league hitters.
http://firstinning.com/stats/?type=batting&min=350&lg=CALIF&season=2009&t=exp&desc=woba
Comparing Martin and Pierre just doesnt work. Martin plays his position very well, Pierre has no position. Not one that requires throwing
Evidence that Martin plays his position well?
Both players play positions that are generally expected to generate power. Martin plays his position and isn’t horrible at it so that’s a bonus for him, but let’s not kid ourselves, most of the hate JP got was his lack of being able to draw a walk or hit for power. Using this metric which is for hitting only, it notes that Martin in 2009 was a bit worse than JP has been for his career.
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
.307 wOBA (Catcher) = 2.1 WAR
.325 wOBA (LF) = 1.3 WAR
This does not take defense and baserunning into account. But from a wOBA (or hitting only) perspective, a .307 wOBA from a catcher is better than a .325 wOBA from a LFer.
Edge: Martin. (on wOBA)
vr, Xei
Again, this is where I really part company with WAR.
If you just threw me behind the plate, I would get a WAR bonus regardless of how poorly I fielded the position. They get a boost soley for being coherent and having a manager decide that they are good enough for playing catcher in MLB.
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but that is not realistic
every stat will break down if you take the non-realistic into account.
vr, Xei
Also, that career wOBA for Pierre includes a significant amount of time at CF.
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
That's fine
He then takes a big hit defensively for it. But I would say looking forward he won’t see much playing time in CF and his wOBA projected going forward isn’t any better than his career norm at this point in his career. :)
vr, Xei
So he takes a big hit for playing it poorly, but Martin gets a bump just for playing his position? That’s why its silly to use WAR for catchers. Every other position actually uses defensive ratings, where catcher just has a blanket bonus.
I watched Martin, I didn’t find him to be a particularly good catcher, but no matter, WAR still loves that he is a catcher.
FYI. I don’t actually think Pierre is better than Martin. But Martin’s season at the plate was horrible. How horrible? He posted a wOBA which compares unfavorably to Pierre’s career, and Pierre isn’t exactly known for his ability to get on base or hit for power.
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure I am following you. Pierre gets a bump UP for playing CF and a bump DOWN for playing LF. He gets a bump DOWN for playing poor defense in CF and probably a bump UP for defense in LF. I don’t see a “blanket” bonus for catchers. You can still bump Martin up or down if you feel his defense is better or worse than league average. Defense has nothing to do with wOBA. Positions only does when putting two players who play different positions into context (hitting wise only). How well they play the position comes into play when converting to a full fledged WAR. So where in this web lies your concern?
vr, Xei
I misunderstood your earlier point.
My basic point is that for WAR only, the only position that doesn’t factor in the quality of defense is catcher. Comparing apples to apples, per WAR, its unfair to attack the quality Pierre plays defense in CF, since we are not doing the same thing for Martin.
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
You can do it for catchers too
- you just can’t use UZR. But I don’t think it is WAR’s fault that metrics for measuring catcher defense are not on par with metrics for measuring defense at other positions.
Some possible alternatives for catching defense.
Fans Scouting Report
or
Baseball Projection dot com where Martin is listed as an average defensive catcher.
Be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
vr, Xei
The Bako Bump?
You already did a fine job in your link showing how Martin compares against his peers. He’s in the bottom percentile, right there with one Bengie Molina. I’d have skipped the Juan Pierre comparison and concentrated on catchers.
by meercatjohn on Feb 26, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I like how
wOBA easily converts to runs and wins and fitting nicely into part of the WAR equation (Hitting, Fielding, Baserunning, Positional adjustment). This was probably worth a mention.
vr, Xei
Jonathan Garcia
Despite his mid-20s BA ranking, he sounds like the most exciting offensive prospect to follow this year. His write-up says he’s loaded with tools. Hell, if Matt Kemp ever leaves (knocks on wood), this young kid could be a great replacement.
BP
liked him but said he didn’t have crazy tools. Meaning he has a good arm not a great arm. Good speed not great speed. Good power not great power.
What's the weighting?
It sounds good to me that wOBA weights more towards OBP than to SLG. But how much more? And – whatever the proportion is – why that much and not some other amount? Does the person who invented wOBA (would you know who that might be?) explain how and why he made the choices he did?
I knew that question would come up
And I’ve got nothing. It’s from “the Book” so it was developed by Tom Tango. I don’t have the book, so I can’t give you too much there, only the cliffs notes version from Fangraphs which I excerpted above.
For these “better know a stat’s” the best I can offer is that I can explain the logic to it and that the logic makes sense to me. OBP should be weighted more heavily than SLG (which makes sense to me) and resources I respect (Fangraphs) have adopted this statistic which shows precisely that. While I share in your intellectual curiosity of the actual weights involved in the formula, I’m ill equipped to actually discuss the weights, test them, and explain why they are correct or not. Sorry….
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Found some stuff
From the preceding section, we know the run values of each event. For example, we know that the run value of the HR is 1.4 runs above average, and 1.7 runs above the run value of the out. In rate measures, like OBP, the value of the out in the numerator is zero. If we recast the run values of the most common events relative to the out (rather than relative to the result of an average plate appearance), we get the following:
HR 1.70, 3B 1.37, 2B 1.08, 1B 0.77, NIBB 0.62.
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
It’s not really a OBP or SLG thing at all. Each event is given a weight as listed below in Michael White’s post. The only thing that wOBA has to do with OBA is that it is scaled so that it’s easy to know what a good and bad wOBA is (as long as you are familiar with what is a good and bad OBP). Here is a great google doc showing how a wOBA translates to runs-wins-above replacement. It is such a cool stat and Tom Tango really is the best in the business when it comes to analyzing this stuff.
vr, Xei
Thanks, Xei. Unfortunately, I have no idea what any of it means. I also wonder why bother with columns E through I since the values are identical for all rows. Though I suppose they’re just there to make Excel calculate the conversions in columns A through D. Still, I don’t know what any of it means. That’s the trouble – you have to be an expert to understand and evaluate these things, so it’s actually not possible for laymen to “better know” these stats without first becoming experts.
Ok, fairly simple example.
Let’s assume the league average wOBA is .330 (same scale as OBP). wOBA is of course calculated with linear weights.
Player #1 is a shortstop with a .330 wOBA in 700 plate appearances. A quick look at the SS tab in the spreadsheet shows that Player #1 is 7.5 runs above average, 30.8 runs above a replacement level player (RAR) and 3.1 wins above a replacement level player (this is all hitting-wise).
Player #2 is a left-fielder also with a .330 wOBA in 700 plate appearances. A quick look at the RF-LF tab shows that Player #2 is 7.5 runs “below” average, 15.8 runs above a replacement level player (RAR) and 1.6 wins above a replacement level player (hitting-wise).
So from wOBA we can easily determine the “hitting” portion of a players Wins Above Replacement (WAR) taking a positional adjustment into account. Adding in baserunning and fielding stats, we can get a pretty good sense of how players stack up against each other and how much money their previous performance has been worth and how much money they should likely be getting if they were a free agent.
So from the example, using wOBA (with a positional adjustment) you can easily and correctly compare the offense from players who play different positions. Many real life examples are a little more complex than this of course.
It is probably one of the top stats that any GM should know and be able to use. Perhaps not a “final say in everything” stat, but a great tool to have in the tool box.
vr, Xei
Dodgertown Classic
Anyone going to the games on Sunday?
Just checking to see if there might be any company. I am striking out in terms of finding people to go with.
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 26, 2010 10:47 AM PST reply actions
Did you guys see that hilarious link on Memories of Kevin Malone
with the photo of Matt Kemp, Rihanna and the “little person” stripper!
We may get to see Carlos Santana at Dodger Stadium...
…with the Indians on April 1st. First exhibition of the year in Los Angeles.
I thought he was hurt
and will miss spring training.
by meercatjohn on Feb 26, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Fangraphs
Dave Cameron thinks we should all go to Vegas and bet on the Twins winning more than 82 games this year:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/why-does-vegas-hate-the-twins
I think I caught him on twitter yesterday
saying we should take the Dodgers over 84…
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
Twins more than 82 and Dodgers more than 84. So says the sim, so says I. :)
More confidence in the Dodgers beating the 84 than the Twins beating the 82 though.
vr, Xei
I'm still very dubioius
about the Twin pitching.
by meercatjohn on Feb 26, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
The 84 seemed low to me
But it’s hard to trust myself since I’m a Dodger fan and all…
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Camelback Ranch question
I’m taking some friends to next Friday’s game at Camelback Ranch. Our seats are behind home plate.
None of us has ever been there, and we need to meet at the park. Can you suggest a place good place for us to meet?
Thanks.
Parking is free this year at Camelback, so you can meet there.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Notes from Torre today
Koufax will be coming back to AZ with Torre after Saturday and will be in camp for 5-6 days.
Torre’s sense of humor showed, when asked about the length of Manny’s hair:
As long as I’m going to allow Brian Barton to have his hair like that I’ve got to let Manny.
I would imagine there will be some beat stories about Furcal today, but I found this Torre quote interesting
I think last year was great for him. That year was devastating. He’s done his exercises all winter and he’s in a good mood.
Oh, and Weaver’s wife had their baby. He should be back in camp Saturday.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Also:
Odds are well take or 11 or 12 pitchers
I’ll believe 11 when I see it (and I will welcome it!)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I'd welcome it too
Because it woudl mean we have 5 SP’s who won’t tax the bullpen. Torre will err on the side of caution on this one.
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
11?!?!?
Kershaw
Billingsley
Kuroda
Padilla
5th starter
Broxton
Kuo
Sherrill
Troncoso
Belisario
Weaver
Based on nothing at all, I’m feeling a McDonald vibe for the 5th starter. If so, Stults would have to be the swingman or sold to Japan. Something tells me we care more about Stults than the organization does. Joe Torre’s watch costs more than Stults’ car anyway.
We might find out that Torre’s watch is worth more than Eric Stults if they sell him to Japan.
by Dalton Paull on Feb 26, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
+1
No way we go with 11. Unless its just for the couple weeks when they could go with a 4-man rotation.
They have five games in a row 4/7 to 4/11. They can only go the first week of the season before needing that fifth starter.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I stand corrected. I thought I had seen a comment implying we could go a couple weeks with only 4. Either way, I do not believe there will be less than 7 guys in the pen.
Gurnick article on Cory Wade. Kind of a rote article with the obligatory I’m in great shape quotes, but Gurnick did write this as well:
With Belisario stuck in Venezuelan visa limbo, general manager Ned Colletti virtually proclaimed the job up for grabs by repeatedly saying he has plenty of other capable pitchers in camp.Of course, we all know Ned loved competition. Torre does know Wade though, so if he is healthy enough to have pinpoint command, I wouldn’t count him out.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Joe “Dickens” Torre: It was the greatest of years, it was the most devastating of years.
by kinbote on Feb 26, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No
I don’t believe so. I was actually having a hard time searching through the SBN library, so I just googled Martin images and used this one from USAToday.
The picture that Eric re-tweeted last week showed a much bigger Martin. I’ll try to find it.
by Michael White on Feb 26, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
The 4th photo in this gallery is of Martin and Loney on the stationary bikes, but you can’t really tell Martin’s body size from it, just his arms and the amount of ink on his left shoulder.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Leach's Picture
That photo was taken while Leach was in the middle of making a pitch, after he had released the ball. I am stunned that people haven’t seen a million such photos and thus realize that at that point in the delivery — after ball release — EVERY pitcher’s face looks weird.
by CanuckDodger on Feb 26, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Koufax
looked like a terror in a shot like that. I was a kid when I first saw it, scared the crap out of me.
Forget about Martin's poundage
Did Roly Poly weigh in yet?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I'd expect our tweeting brethren
to have been tweeted by now about it.
We should have done a poll.
207 1/2
I haven’t seen anything about a weigh-in, but there was this twitpic with him in it.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
This twitpic shows Belliard on the back of a cart, and since the cart isn’t tilted upwards I am not worried :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Trickle Down Economics
A total of $433 million moved from high-revenue to low-revenue teams for the 2009 season.
Speaking of trickle-down economics, I quickly hacked up this picture in response to an Andrew Grant tweet the other day that suggested such a thing.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Sorry if it was there and I missed it.
It seemed to me the most instructive comparison for both Martin and the stat would be his 2008 vs. his 2009. I didn’t see it in the Post or comments. I’ll try Fangraphs.

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