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Every Lord needs a King


and I've got just the man. For a team with a fine stable of solid catchers which includes Roseboro, Haller, Yeager, Fergy, Scoscia, Lo Duca, and Martin one man stands so far above them you could cut him off at the knees and his bloody stumps would still stand tall over them.

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We have read some great stories about our position players who have had good or even great careers, but not one of them had five years like Mike Piazza.  From the time he showed up until he left he was the best at his position every year. Five years, five Silver Slugger Awards.  The Los Angeles Dodgers have zero HOF position players who did the bulk of their work in the Ravine  without any prospects for the future. The one who fell into their lap by pure luck the Evil Empire decided to trade in the prime of his career.

Growing up a sports fan in Los Angeles we have had a few punches to the stomach that leave you gasping for reason but the toughest punches for me to deal with was Magic Johnson announcing he had aids, and May 14th, 1998 when the Dodgers traded the most valuable player in baseball.  For this life long Dodger fan it was a fatal blow to my fanhood, and turned me into a baseball fan more then a Dodger fan until Fox did the right thing and sold the team.

From the time he first showed up at Dodger Stadium he quickly became my favorite Dodger of all time. No one in my opinion had ever hit the ball as hard, and as consistently in the Ravine as the man no one wanted in the 1988 draft. Being slow, you have to be one hell of a hitter to post a .362 average but he did it with ferocious line drive after line drive. The ball simply jumped off his bat making a sound that hadn't been heard in Dodger Stadium in my life time. This might sound like hyperbole but I 'd been watching Dodger baseball since 1970 and I never heard a ball make the sound it did when this man squared up on it.  He did it all from the offensive side of the game. Batting average, On Base %, Slug%, Home Runs, Runs Batted In, he was always on the leaderboard.

For fun I wanted to know how many catchers had ever hit more then 30 home runs and had a batting average > .340?  Only one.

Okay, how many catchers had ever hit more then 30 home runs and had an OBA > .400? One man holds the top three spots out of six matching seasons in the history of baseball, and you know his name.

How many right hand hitters had hit the ball out of Dodger Stadium until he did it? No one

How many catchers hit more then 24 home runs and had an OBP > .359 their first 10 years as a starter? Only one

How many catchers have hit more then 35 home runs? 18 times this has been done. Only one man has six of those 18 seasons and it ain't Johnny Bench.

How many right handed catchers have had an batting average > .360? Only one

I could go on and on, make no mistake this man was unique in his greatness and unique in his story.

Unquestionably the two best Los Angeles Dodgers are Sandy Koufax and Mike Piazza as they both put together far and away the best five year runs in Los Angeles Dodger history.  The difference between the two is that Piazza from the moment he became the starting catcher was one of the best players in baseball. Home grown Los Angeles Dodger greatness. When you look at his production while he was a Dodger you could make a case he was the most valuable player in baseball during that time given the fact he was a catcher, and other players in the conversation were all 1st/OF. Every year he started for the Dodgers he finished in the top 10 in MVP with two number two's, and we all know who the real MVP was in 1997, and it wasn't Larry Walker.

                                                                                             
Player OPS+ G From To Age HR RBI BB IBB BA OBP SLG OPS Pos Tm
Frank Thomas 184 698 1993 1997 25-29 194 599 575 99 .334 .455 .631 1.086 *3D CHW
Jeff Bagwell 168 690 1993 1997 25-29 154 546 468 79 .313 .423 .579 1.002 *3/D9 HOU
Mike Piazza 164 668 1993 1997 24-28 167 526 268 58 .337 .401 .583 .984 *2/D3 LAD
Edgar Martinez 159 570 1993 1997 30-34 100 388 439 46 .322 .447 .559 1.007 *D/53 SEA
Albert Belle 155 727 1993 1997 26-30 202 620 359 48 .306 .387 .604 .991 *7/D CLE-CHW
Gary Sheffield 152 586 1993 1997 24-28 126 388 416 55 .290 .419 .537 .956 *95/7D TOT-FLA

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The legend starts with him being drafted in the 62nd round, in the 1988 draft. The 62nd round, wrap your head around the fact that no one in baseball in any way, shape, or form thought this guy had any chance of lasting more then one professional season.  He was drafted strictly as favor to his brother Tommy's Godfather, Tommy Lasorda. If Tommy did nothing more then befriend Vince Piazza, he did enough to hang around and tell stories for as long as wants.

Between the start and the end of his Dodger career he put up comic book numbers.

                                                         
Rk Player Year Age PA HR RBI BA OBP SLG OPS
2 Mike Piazza 1993 24 602 35 112 .318 .370 .561 .932
4 Mike Piazza 1994 25 441 24 92 .319 .370 .541 .910
5 Mike Piazza 1995 26 475 32 93 .346 .400 .606 1.006
7 Mike Piazza 1996 27 631 36 105 .336 .422 .563 .985
9 Mike Piazza 1997 28 633 40 124 .362 .431 .638 1.070
12 Mike Piazza 1998 29 161 9 30 .282 .329 .497 .826

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  • Before Mike Piazza showed up the highest batting average was .346 by Tommy Davis, by the time he left it was .362. As a slow footed catcher he still has three of the top five Los Angeles Dodger batting averages.
  • Most home runs in a season was 33 by Pedro Guerrero and Steve Garvey.  He broke that record in his ROOKIE season and would break it three times total finally settling on 40 home runs as the top water mark. 
  • Highest Slug% was .577 by Pedro Guererro, by the time he left it was .638. That mark (Gary Sheffield would later break it) was not only the highest Dodger slug% it is the highest of any catcher in the history of baseball.
  • Most home runs in a rookie season was 23 by Frank Howard. Mike hit 35.

Individual moments

  • Rookie season last game of the year in 1993 he would single handily knock the Giants out of the pennant race with two home runs and four runs batted in. It was the 3rd time in the month of Sept he would hit two home runs in a game.
  • August 27th, 1995 he went four for four with two doubles, two home runs, and seven runs batted in. That would cap off a streak in which he had multiple hits in 16 out of 27 games, moving his average from .347 to .369 starting on July 31st. Not easy to do.
  • June 29th, 1996 three home runs against the Rockies. He simply owned the Rockies, hitting some of the longest home runs Coors field had ever seen.

I'm sure some of you who were lucky enough to see him play have your memories. I have no idea what game I first saw him play but it was early in the spring of his first season. I was somewhere down the right field line when I first heard him hit the ball. It was a sound I would hear over and over again over the next five years and to say the least, the first time I heard the sound, it left an impression.

I won't sugarcoat the fact that Mike was not the greatest defensive catcher. According to Bill James

probably the best hitting catcher ever to play the game

however because of his defensive shortcomings Bill James only ranks him as the fifth best catcher of all time. He didn't have much of an arm but I always thought he had soft hands, and was able to catch some of the best pitchers we had such as Ramon Martinez, Ismael Valdez, Hideo Nomo,  and Pedro Astacio. 

I'll always remember one play he made which I think was against the Mets Phillies in which somehow he ended up covering 3rd base, made a spectacular catch of an errant throw, put down a sweeping tag for the out at 3rd.  Some will say he was not athletic, I say those people never saw him play the game in his prime and only remember him as an old Met after a 1,000 games at catcher. 

Never won a playoff game as a Dodger, succumbing two years in a row in three straight. Tight games in which one key hit might have made the difference. Didn't happen. The only blight I can think of on his Dodger career.

The man he was traded for was every bit the hitter that Mike was. He would end up breaking several of Mikes offensive records. It was eerie how close they were in their Dodger careers. Sheffield would end up with an OPS+ of 160, Mike 159, but Gary only had 2276 plate appearances. Even if I had moved the requirement down to 2500 he still would have fallen short.  That fifth year really makes a difference. The next best hitter was Reggie Smith and while Reggie played six years he only had 2055 plate appearances. Multiple injuries kept down one of the best hitting LA Dodgers until Piazza showed up. To bad because given his defense and offense Reggie Smith might have been the best Los Angeles Dodger to ever play for us.  Pedro Guerrero is probably the best LA Dodger hitter when you figure in the fact he had over 4,000 plate appearances. He did it longer then anyone at a higher level then anyone.

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I know for sure that play at third base was in Philadelphia. It was outstanding.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 7:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Do you have a great photo laying around of Miguel?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 6, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The late 1990s are my blind spot of baseball card collecting, unfortunately.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trying to find the LA Times article on that play. If I remember correctly, it was either Mike Downey or Placshke that wrote a glowing piece on how that play would catapult the team into a pennant.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hate to say it

but Piazza is a little tarnished to me now because of the steroids. I realize he was just another symptom of the whole era, but it still has diminished my opinion of him.

by BFDC on Feb 6, 2010 7:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Boy, you are gonna be pissed

when gene doping becomes the norm :o

by kensai on Feb 6, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Movie

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 6, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We've been in the steroids era

since like the 60s by the way, at least

by kensai on Feb 6, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Come now

want to support that with something. One or two taking steroids does not make it an era.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 6, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Support common knowledge?

Been around since like the 20s.

by kensai on Feb 6, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Steroids or baseball used in Steroids

Jim Bouton was very upfront about everything going on in the 60’s did he simply neglect to talk about steroids for some reason?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 6, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

They’ve been around in baseball since at least the 70s, as some have come out and said as much. Not a stretch to say that professional athletes would have followed the trend of experimentation earlier than that, maybe unknowingly, but probably not.

The only thing that has changed is knowledge of PEDs really, not the morality.

by kensai on Feb 8, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And no

I can’t name players because what player in his right mind would come out and admit that now when there’s no possible way they could be found guilty? :o

I do know that the Steelers dynasty in the 70s admitted to it, Terry Bradshaw said he probably did it. Though it’s football so nobody cared.

by kensai on Feb 6, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That may be true

but growing up in the late 80’s/90’s I don’t recall guys getting ridiculously huge until after the strike.

I try to rationalize it by telling myself “well the roided out hitters were probably hitting off roided out pitchers,” so maybe it was a somewhat even playing field. Still though, a lot of those quotes I read about Piazza were really disconcerting. Like players saying he absolutely sucked until he started using and his body started to change. We’ll probably never know how many “greats” used, so it is what it is, and that’s why I said he is a “little” tarnished to me.

by BFDC on Feb 6, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't base an opinion on hearsay

He did what he did in the same era as everyone else and he did it better then just about all of them.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 6, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More sophisticated drugs

And better weight training regimens

Doesn’t mean those using anabolic steroids weren’t cheating back in the day just because they had less of an idea of how they worked.

by kensai on Feb 6, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right. Those guys were cheating too, but since they did have less sophisticated drugs and training programs, it had a lesser impact on their bodies, their performance and their success as baseball players than the guys that were heavily doing it over the last 15 years.

by BFDC on Feb 6, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You could argue that people are still ignorant. HGH shows very little effect on anything without pairing it with other drugs, yet they are still vilified.

Remember, new drugs have people just as ignorant without the correct advice. Regardless, it’s the same level of cheating, and we will never know what part of the numbers are fabricated, so why speculate?

We can’t know and will not ever know, so to try and separate the group is pointless to me.

by kensai on Feb 8, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was common baseball thinking that hitters shouldn’t even work with weights (extensively) lest they become "muscle-bound" and hinder the fluidity of their swing. That’s probably why it never comes up in Ball Four, mentioned by Phil. That kind of thinking was definitely still talked about in the 1970s, perhaps into the 1980s. As for the Steelers, football players were always encouraged to build muscle. I can believe that steroids became prevalent in football long before more than few baseball players tried it.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 6, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Still think recovery and feeling like a God are huge factors along with added strength.

Same reason greenies were so popular.

by kensai on Feb 8, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hate to agree ... but I do

It was fun watching Piazza play.
I’m happy remembering him as a Met.

by 68elcamino427 on Feb 6, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t a Piazza/steroids based only on the most speculative hearsay? He’s not in the Mitchell Report. IIRC, he’s not in Canseco’s book. He played primarily for two teams who are prominently nailed in the Mitchell Report (Dodgers, Mets) and yet his name doesn’t come up. I would say that at least a little doubt has to be exercised.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 6, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which looks like hearsay and speculation to me. I’m not saying that Piazza didn’t use; I’m just saying I can’t be super-certain that he did.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 6, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Every Lord Needs a King

What can you say? The Pizza Man…he delivers.Nice post Phil.

DezertWolf

by DezertWolf on Feb 6, 2010 7:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yep

This is really great. Phil brought it for this piece

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

NIce job Phil.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 6, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What is ( * ) for? For developing power ( * ) really makes a difference

Guerrero
Smith
Piazza ( * )
Sheffield ( * )
So what kind of numbers would Guerreo or Smith put up if they had used?
How about Frank Howard?

by 68elcamino427 on Feb 6, 2010 7:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Are we also accounting for the greeneies?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or greenies?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought they were extra green

Hey the one thing the ESPN site has on SB Nation is that commentators can edit their comments.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 6, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was taking a veiled shot at Todd Greene :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Clippers are quickly learning

that maybe Dunleavy was not the problem. Hopefully Hughes will let DJ play a ton of minutes for the rest of the season. This team needs to play for the future not for some ridiculous attempt to the be the 8th best team in Pacific.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 6, 2010 8:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

True that Phil

But Dunleavy’s coaching record for the Clips speaks for itself…

by Julio Nievas on Feb 6, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember being in 11th grade English class when my teacher casually broke the news of the trade. Shocking. Couldn’t wait to find out who we got in return.

by silverwidow on Feb 6, 2010 8:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was pretty sad

I was 8 years old. He signed my first ball and my sister had the biggest crush on him.

by Julio Nievas on Feb 6, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was 7 or 8 and he was my favorite player. I was going to a game 3 days later. I’m pretty sure I cried when I found out :(

by Ivdown on Feb 6, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, don’t forget, the Piazza trade killed Frank Sinatra

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No soup for you! :)

by silverwidow on Feb 6, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy shit

I completely forgot about that.

May 14, 1998
1) Seinfeld Finale
2) Piazza trade
3) Sinatra dies

All 3 were horribly disappointing

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Except Sinatra was 82, so he had a nice long life for a man born in 1915, and Seinfeld had a good, long, complete run – heck, they were kinda celebrating going out on top. Piazza’s rightful Dodger career was cut short, so it was far more disappointing.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 6, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Both Seinfeld and Sinatra knew the end was near, even if the final demise was disappointing. Piazza was the James Dean of the bunch.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And now the end is near,
And so I face the final curtain.
My friend, I’ll say it clear;
I’ll state my case of which I’m certain.
I’ve lived a life that’s full,
I traveled each and every highway.
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 6, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well played, sir

Sad he ended up in New York, New York

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My son was 4 years old, 12 days from being 5, the day the trade happened. I heard about the trade on the way home from work and went right to my older daughters’ softball game. My son loved baseball, and I had raised him right—he was already a big Dodger fan. Piazza was the big Dog back then, so obviously the Pizza Man (our nickname…he always delivered) was his favorite player. First words out of my son’s mouth when he came running to me as he saw me walking towards the ballfield: “Dad, what made them make that decision?”, a pained look in his eye. (He wasn’t even old enough to properly pronounce “decision”.). And I remember vividly that I really didn’t have an answer for him.

To this day, as much as Sheffield hit well for the Dodgers, I think that this and the Pedro trade were the two worst in LA Dodger history.

Three more Piazza thoughts:

I’m not a huge Jim Rome fan (although I think he can be a great interviewer at times), but I still remember his words the next day: “You DO NOT trade a Hall of Famer”.

I happened to be at Mecca when Piazza came back later that year w/the Mets. The ovation was the loudest I have ever heard for an opposing player. But, then again, he was a Dodger, damnit!

I saw him hit one out of Dodger Stadium that day during batting practice. I remember hearing the story about how Stargell had been the only one to do that all my life; to see him (and hear it bounce off the roof of the Pavillion) was pretty damn cool. Again…you don’t trade a HOF’er.

by KellyStephen on Feb 6, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Random thought of the night

Most underrated Tom Petty song:

1) Southern Accents
2) You Wreck Me
3) somthing else

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 9:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t Tom Petty just underrated in general? I think the entire “She’s The One” album/soundtrack is probably underrated.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 6, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

“Wildflowers” is a great album as well.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Great album start to finish. I like that it sounded different from the Heartbreakers stuff but was still all Petty.

by prosellis on Feb 6, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s my favorite version of Southern Accents (featured on the excellent “Runnin’ Down a Dream” documentary), and here’s an excellent Johnny Cash cover.

Here’s a version of You Wreck Me.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been pretty fond of “Saving Grace” laely…but all of the old crap is great as well

by KellyStephen on Feb 6, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

“crap” being a personal term of endearment, of course.

by KellyStephen on Feb 6, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

“crap” meaning worthy of being traded for a blank cassette tape of course :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, you do not want that story being laid out here amongst all of your friends, do you?

by KellyStephen on Feb 6, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was, what, 8 or 9 years old? I can’t be held accountable for my actions at such a young age!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Always and Forever

Mike Piazza will always be my favorite Dodger. Thank you Phil for writing such a wonderful piece.

I remember the day he was traded too. But I already shared that story once before. It was a hard thing for me to accept . I cried and cried and cried, and cried some more. I found other players in Dodger Blue I enjoy watching play, but never any player that will make me feel the way I did when I watched him hit. I was in High school for the first 3 years of his Dodger career and I had lots of friends who played baseball and they all talked about how great it would be to hit like Piazza. He will be for me what Koufax is to my dad. My favorite Dodger of all time.

by Lidlbit on Feb 6, 2010 9:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That was a surprising and sad day

when the team pulled off that trade. Definitely a favorite one of my favorites at that time especially with how he stepped up through the system to become such a great leader. Hated seeing him play with the other teams. I still have some of my Piazza stuff from back in the day.

Woohoo, I get to look forward to another 7-6 season ("at best") in 2010! There's nothing like going to Idaho for a bowl game.

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 8, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mitch Williams

Do you ever come across a stat that just kind of blows your mind? Well, we all know Mitch was known as “Wild Thing” when he played, but I was always under the assumption that during his prime he settled down a bit and had some good years.

FALSE.

The best BB/9 rate he ever had was 5.7, which was in 1989, which was the only time he was below six walks per nine in his entire career.

He walked 7.08 men per nine innings in his career, the highest ratio for any pitcher ever with 250 or more innings. I mean, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. Wow.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2010 10:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Rarely can mere mortals

pull off what our gods can pull off.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 7, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 7, 2010 12:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 7, 2010 12:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 7, 2010 12:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Great pictures

what a gamer, worked his ass off to make it.

Woohoo, I get to look forward to another 7-6 season ("at best") in 2010! There's nothing like going to Idaho for a bowl game.

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 8, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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