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Koufax and Torre Was a Night to Remember

Last night's "Joe Torre Safe At Home" benefit, featuring Sandy Koufax and Joe Torre, was a special event that I won't soon forget.  I never had the pleasure to watch Sandy Koufax pitch; I was born 10 years after he retired.  I knew of him, of course.  Brought up as a Dodger fan, I was indoctrinated early and often about the legend of Koufax.  Everybody that I know who watched him pitch has always been reverential toward the Dodger legend.  Part of the mystique surrounding Koufax is that he has been a relatively private man for most of the 44 years since he last pitched.  Saturday night offered a unique glimpse into the man, the myth, the legend.

The event was hosted by L.A. Times columnist T.J. Simers, who at times seemed like the only person in the room who didn't appreciate the specialness of the night.  Simers, who spent most of the night addressing the headliners by only their last name, deserves a ton of credit for helping create this event, much as he did with last year's Vin Scully and John Wooden event.  However, the curmudgeon shtick is tired enough on Page 2, and it was downright painful at times to watch in person.  Whether his nerves settled down or what, Simers did improve as the night wore on, as he rightfully took a back seat to Koufax and Torre, and Simers was able to elicit some enlightening answers from his guests.

What stood out to me was the rapport between Koufax and Torre, and Koufax's sense of humor.  My favorite Koufax story of the night was when he and Torre were discussing Koufax's troubles pitching to Henry Aaron.  Koufax had trouble retiring the home run king with his fastball and curve, so he decided to try a change.  After Aaron was retired on a blistering grounder off of Tommie Davis' chest at third base, Davis walked to the mound to hand the ball to Koufax, wheezing and pleading for Koufax to never throw that pitch again.

In a taped piece, Vin Scully, as only he can, likened Koufax walking to the bullpen "a maestro ascending the podium to conduct his symphony."  Scully also recalled how nervous he was in calling Koufax's perfect game. I got a little choked up watching listening to this quote from Scully, alternating my gaze from the video screen to Koufax on stage, as he was clearly moved:

Sandy had a way of lifting his teammates, inspiring the fans, and I think, once in a blue moon, even inspiring a broadcaster.  On that particular night, it was so dramatic, a perfect game.  Yeah, it inspired me.

Koufax recounted how he almost quit after the 1960 season, going so far as to throw his equipment away.  However, he did return in 1961, a decision for which Dodger fans owe him a debt of gratitude.  Koufax recalled advice given to him that spring by catcher Norm Sherry, who told the southpaw not to throw as hard. I'm sure Dodger fans hope a current young lefty will similarly benefit from some sage advice.  In this case, Clayton Kershaw was brought to the stage as Koufax showed Kershaw how he threw a curve.  Two very notable moments from this exchange were:

  • Koufax's hands dwarf those of Kershaw (Kershaw called them the biggest hands he has ever seen)
  • Koufax gripped the ball so that he wouldn't push on the back of the ball with his thumb, which he said just got in the way (not that I've ever been able to throw a non-Wiffle curve, but I always thought the thumb played a more prominent role)

Kershaw and Koufax became fast friends, talking pitching the whole way back to Arizona, per Ken Gurnick of MLB.com.  Hey, a kid could have worse tutors.

A few more highlights, from Koufax:

To me, competing is being the last man standing.  It had nothing to do kicking water coolers; that's ego massage.

On whether or not he would try steroids or HGH:

I don't know, it wasn't available.  I took whatever the doctors told me.  When what I was kind of living on they stopped giving to horses i thought 'Wait a minute, I'm not sure this is a good situation,  They banned it for horses and they're still giving it to me, I don't know about this.'"

On his relationship with Don Drysdale:

We were friends.  I think our relationship was good.  I think we drove each other.  If Don was going to do something, I had to do it also.  I think we made each other better, as a friendly competition.  Most teams would like to have two guys who are pitching that well.

On his six-year broadcasting career (he worked for NBC on their "Game of the Week" telecasts from 1967-1972):

I absolutely hated it...I worked every Saturday, and prayed for rain every Friday night.

There were a few other touching tributes throughout the night, one for former Dodger owner Peter O'Malley (who got one of the loudest ovations of the night), one for unsung 1965 World Series hero Sweet Lou Johnson, and another for Ann Meyers-Drysdale, the widow of the late former Dodger pitcher.  On an emotional night -- and rightfully so, as over $700,000 was raised to raise awareness of domestic abuse -- I thought it fitting that even Koufax, who earlier in the evening joked that there was no crying in baseball, fought back tears as Torre recounted their friendship.

Koufax said multiple times Saturday night that "a quality start is shaking hands with the catcher," and he delivered again with yet another complete performance in a wonderful night of remembrance for Dodger fans.

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A night I won't soon forget

Sitting there in Nokia with my fiance, I was struck how engaging and endearing Koufax was. Over the years, he has been assigned a mythic status by media and fans – and the word “recluse” is used all too often. However, the truth is that he just chooses not to deal with all the hype and nonsense and instead, live life on his own terms.

I got the sense that we were listening to a man who was at peace, happy to be living in the moment, completely secure with himself and his life. What may be more mythic is that Sandy has reached a level of contentment and self confidence that we all stride for.

by JJ 24 on Mar 1, 2010 11:55 PM PST reply actions  

That second paragraph is a perfect description.

by Eric Stephen on Mar 2, 2010 6:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

A couple of other notes

Sandy Koufax mentioned that of all the “Boys of Summer” he first met when he was the “bonus baby” back in 1955, it was Jackie Robinson who befriended him while others took a while to accept him. I noticed that whenever he mentioned a teammate, there was a tone of great affection and camaraderie that was readily apparent.

I mentioned to Hollywood Joe that I had not heard Koufax speak that often so I spent the first few minutes getting adjusted to his voice, but like JJ24 said above, here was a man at peace with himself, and also one who was not afraid to expose a little of what was behind the great Koufax.

by bhsportsguy on Mar 2, 2010 12:05 AM PST reply actions  

Also, in my opinion, Koufax is everything Lasorda is not.

While Lasorda has a need to be in the middle of everything, Koufax seems to be at ease with himself, has no need for self-promotion, as far as I know doesn’t intentionally barter free meals off his celebrity, and does treat others with respect. I’ve met him and found him to be a gentleman – I can’t say the same with Lasorda.

While Koufax might be the one that we hope for, Lasorda is the Dodger “Legend” that we are stuck with.

by JJ 24 on Mar 2, 2010 12:15 AM PST reply actions  

Idk why but that last line seemed like some kind of The Dark Knight line, lol.

by Ivdown on Mar 2, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

A 1965 SI article sheds some more insight on Koufax

I wonder if he knew already that 1966 was going to be the last year. http://bit.ly/cVMP3l

by bhsportsguy on Mar 2, 2010 1:48 AM PST reply actions  

From that story
Sure. You can’t go along in a set way. I remember a ball game against the Cardinals. I’d gotten Kenny Boyer out all night low and outside. On his last time up in the ninth inning, with a man on second in a close game, I threw a pitch in the same place and he hit a line drive into right field. Luckily it was caught and turned into a double play, but that’s not the point. By throwing to the same place over and over I could have blown the game.

You were lucky, in other words?
I was lucky. I had to be lucky.

by bhsportsguy on Mar 2, 2010 1:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Sandy

How I would have loved to be there with Joe Torre and Sandy Koufax—I am 60 yrs old I was at many games he pitched and watched on TV-Usally gainst the Giants at candlestick-Fans just have no idea how good he was-He was simply my idol and as far as baseball goes still is—-The Dodgers with VinScully and Sandy Koufax have the 2 greatest people in Baseball ever——-How many today even though there re many great players that make alot of money really understand what players like Koufax mean to kids growing up? Wille Mays-Don Drysdale-Hank Aaron-Frank Robinson-Ernie Banks——-What players today ? Maybe Ken Griffey-Greg Maddix-Randy Johnson but even they were with many teams-can you imagine Koufax as a Yankee after his first 6 years a free agent?
Or Mickey Mantle a Giant? actaully Jackie Robinson was almost a Giant but preferred to retire! and Duke Snider was a giant for one year wow! Still Sandy was the greatest!

by spc7@verizon.net on Mar 2, 2010 6:01 AM PST reply actions  

Great write up Eric

Loved the last paragraph.

Koufax said multiple times Saturday night that “a quality start is shaking hands with the catcher,” and he delivered again with yet another complete performance in a wonderful night of remembrance for Dodger fans.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Mar 2, 2010 6:51 AM PST reply actions  

I thought Torre’s reaction about Kershaw and that statement was telling—everyone is afraid to let these guys go long. And even Sandy seemed to agree; he said something about if he was making this kind of money he may have acted a lot differently. But I wonder if that would really be the case.

by KellyStephen on Mar 2, 2010 6:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I saw the show on TV and I felt it was really special. I agree w/Eric’s comments about Simers; he was actually pissing me off earlier but he ended up backing away. I think he could have shown a lot more respect to “Koufax”.

I grew up revering #32. Like Eric, I never saw him pitch (I was born in ‘61 and didn’t see my first Dodger game until after he retired) but I learned of him from my uncles. I could tell from their stories how special he was to Dodger fans.

I need to try to find it, but I remember reading an article about him after the 1974 World Series; I think it was in Sports Illustrated. He ended up throwing BP before one of the games and he got into some sort of a groove and was sawing off bats! Someone went to talk to him and he ended up stopping throwing, because they were afraid the guys would be totally devastated by the time they went into face real pitching during the game. 9 years after he hung ’em up. Amazing.

by KellyStephen on Mar 2, 2010 6:53 AM PST reply actions  

I can’t find the article, but I remember hearing about it. I found something from the New York Times recently that recalled it:

In the Koufax program, we hear how he dunked a basketball in 1953, as a high schooler; asked out of his contract after the Dodgers moved to Los Angeles because of his frustration over years of wildness; became an overpowering pitching force when catcher Norm Sherry suggested that he loosen his grip on the baseball; mowed down the heart of the Dodgers’ batting order in batting practice with fastballs before Game 1 of the 1978 World Series, and moves often (is it Idaho, Maine, Santa Barbara, North Carolina?).

by Eric Stephen on Mar 2, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I could not get up for going to this. I went to Scully/Wooden, but something was telling me Torre would be boring and I am really struggling mentally with ticketmaster fees.
It sounds like I missed out.

by delias man on Mar 2, 2010 8:21 AM PST reply actions  

I didn’t write much about Torre, but he was great too. He is very comfortable on stage, and is a good storyteller.

by Eric Stephen on Mar 2, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, I like the new pic. Who took that? Art gallery quality photography on that one…

by KellyStephen on Mar 2, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Goldstar events

had discounted seats available – up to 70% off the ticket price. Kind of a last minute thing though.

by JJ 24 on Mar 2, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Koufax's reason

What I haven’t seen yet in any write-up (well, I’ve read three: Eric’s, Jon Weisman’s,The Times’) is the reason Koufax gave as to why he agreed to do this event. It wasn’t specifically the charity – I’m sure he’s been asked to other charity occasions. It’s because Torre asked him: over many years, he recounted, he had asked Torre for favors – for tickets for many friends to Yankee games in New York, and Torre had always obliged. It reinforced the predominant impression that Sandy Koufax is a man of honor. Torre had done favors for him without demur, so of course he would oblige Joe.

I got the impression during the first half at least that he was indeed somewhat uncomfortable with the situation, especially some of Simers’ gauche questions. But he answered every question Simers threw at him straight back, correcting anything that needed it. By the end, especially when conversing with Torre rather than Simers, he actually seemed fairly comfortable.

Last year Simers seemed able to treat Wooden and Scully with respect and didn’t feel the need to jab them with page 2-type faux-naif rudeness. I wish he had done the same this time, but by the end he was speaking with them more like a normal person would. It felt a lot more pleasant.

Thanks for the excellent write-up, Eric. Really well done.

by berkowit28 on Mar 2, 2010 1:05 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks for noting Koufax’s reason; I forgot to include that.

I agree about Koufax. He seemed to exude class. He always spoke fondly of teammates, and as you say handled Simers with aplomb.

by Eric Stephen on Mar 2, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Simers didn’t treat Scully and Wooden any differently than he treated Torre and Koufax.

by JonWeisman on Mar 2, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

For one thing, I don’t recall him addressing them as “Scully” and “Wooden”. Did he?

by berkowit28 on Mar 2, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Like you Eric

I never saw him pitch. Hell, my dad never really saw him pitch(he was born in 58 but in NY, not many Dodger games got to him). But what a legend. I simply cannot describe it. Listening to him talk was something that I will cherish for a long time.

In fact, I was talking to someone else a couple of days later who also went to the event. He is one of the best at baseball in our school, and he simply said it was life altering. Hearing someone like Koufax talk was simply amazing.

Berowit, you made a very good point. The fact that he didnt do it because he wanted to get back into the spotlight, but rather because he felt he needed to repay his friend was really touching.

On a lighter note, Koufax is hilarious. I remember at one part Simmers brought up a point about Koufax being known as a playboy. Koufax said it wasnt called that. Simmers then asked the general idea was true, and Koufax simply said “I did alright”. Having Sandy as a teammate must have been fun..

I loved the story about Hank Aaron. It was almost like we werent watching legends talking, but normal human beings. Then you snap back to reality and realize one of the best pitchers and one of the best managers are having a conversation for you to listen to…

I could seriously go on all day, but will end with this. It was an event that I was simply lucky to go to and one that was very special..

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 2, 2010 2:42 PM PST reply actions  

Oh, one more thing that I thought of as Koufax talked about Drysdale

Doesnt it sound like Kershaw and Billingsley? Two young pitchers who drive each other. One obviously has more pure talent, but the other is no slouch. Two guys that could lead the rotation for a long time…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 2, 2010 2:43 PM PST reply actions  

MLB.com and itunes offers the Game 7 of the 65 WS to download

I downloaded it a couple years ago and watch the game every now and then. That might be the closest we get to seeing how dominant Koufax was.

A special part of the download is the post-game interview, with Vin Scully interviewing Koufax. I especially like replaying that scene. Koufax’s personality shines through that recording, and it doesn’t seem a stretch to say that he is much the same then as he was on stage Saturday night.

by JJ 24 on Mar 2, 2010 4:06 PM PST reply actions  

Is that the interview when Vin asked Sandy how he felt after Game 7, after he said he felt 100 years old after his last start? And Sandy said “a hundred and one” while Vin laughed? I might need to download that, just for the interview (and the game of course). :)

by Eric Stephen on Mar 2, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

yes it is.

a lot of people come by in that locker room, including Walter O’Malley and a young Lou Johnson. Even the President of the NL, who is beyond giddy that the Dodgers won.

by JJ 24 on Mar 2, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

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