Russell Martin Returns as Dodgers Close Out Camp
by Eric Stephen on Mar 31, 2010 12:25 PM PDT
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| Mar 1 | Kuo |
| Mar 2 | Kemp |
| Mar 3 | Kuroda |
| Mar 4 | Manny |
| Mar 5 | Broxton |
| Mar 6 | Blake |
| Mar 7 | Billingsley |
| Mar 8 | DeWitt |
| Mar 9 | Elbert |
| Mar 10 | Loney |
| Mar 11 | Padilla |
| Mar 12 | Carroll |
| Mar 13 | Belisario |
| Mar 14 | Ethier |
| Mar 15 | Sherrill |
| Mar 16 | Furcal |
| Mar 17 | Troncoso |
| Mar 18 | Repko |
| Mar 19 | Mientkiewicz |
| Mar 20 | Anderson |
| Mar 21 | Paul |
| Mar 22 | Monasterios |
| Mar 23 | Johnson |
| Mar 24 | Ra. Ortiz |
| Mar 25 | Stults |
| Mar 26 | Ausmus |
| Mar 27 | Ellis |
| Mar 28 | Haeger |
| Mar 29 | Weaver |
| Mar 30 | Ru. Ortiz |
| Mar 31 | Martin |
Giants (20-10) at Dodgers (ss) (11-12-2)
1:05pm, Camelback Ranch, Glendale, AZ
The Dodgers have reached the final day of their second Cactus League season, as they play a pair of games before moving on to their final three exhibition games in Los Angeles and Anaheim. Today's first game is the finale at Camelback Ranch against the Giants.
Don Mattingly will manage the day game today, and Joe Torre will manage the club in Las Vegas tonight as they play the Reds.
Russell Martin returns to the lineup today, completing the bookends to the club's Arizona portion of spring training. Martin's only other game this spring was the Dodgers' first game of the spring, on March 5 against the White Sox. He missed three weeks with a right groin injury, an injury that originally was though to sideline the catcher for opening day. However, Martin has played in four minor league games over the last week without problems, and looks now to be a lock to start Monday in Pittsburgh.
Opening day starter Vicente Padilla will start for the Dodgers, and be followed by Russ Ortiz, who is battling for a spot on the 11-man pitching staff. Jon Ely, one of two pitchers acquired for Juan Pierre in December, and Scott Dohmann are also scheduled to pitch today for the Dodgers.
The Dodgers have officially released Jason Repko and Eric Stults, removing them from the 40-man roster. In the case of Stults, clearing release waivers was a procedural necessity before officially completing his sale to the Hiroshima Carp. In the case of Repko, his near 11-year run with the organization ended on a sour note, as the Dodgers announced his release before telling Repko (per Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times). The Dodgers now have 36 players on their 40-man roster.
Manager Joe Torre said Josh Lindblom, who is not on the 40-man roster, will start the season in the minors, according to Hernandez.
Here are the lineups:
| Giants | Dodgers | |||
| CF | Velez | SS | Furcal | |
| LF | DeRosa | C | Martin | |
| 3B | Sandoval | LF | Manny | |
| 1B | Huff | 1B | Loney | |
| 2B | Uribe | 3B | Belliard | |
| RF | Bowker | RF | Anderson | |
| C | Posey | CF | Johnson | |
| SS | Crawford | 2B | Carroll | |
| P | Ramirez | P | Padilla | |
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Glad that worked out okay
can you imagine if that had hit her in the head? And you laugh at those who wear gloves in those seats.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Mar 31, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed
The first time you did it, I actually read the code to see how it was done.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
As a take-off from hockey's overtime rules
they could try using Home Run Derby
"We have to win eight. I'll be crushed if we don't win eight." CRN...Eat it BN, lol
Zach Duke who will start opening day
gave up Eight runs today in 3 innings. I hope Padilla fares better.
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Let me get this straight
Are we operating under the same general assumption wrt our roster?
Locks: starting 8 (with DeWitt); bench 6 (with Green); rotation 5; and bullpen 6 (Broxton, Sherrill, Troncoso, Weaver, Ra. Ortiz, & [Monasterios vs. Ru. Ortiz vs. field])
It’s that one last spot that appears to be undecided, eh?
That sounds right
They might also be wrestling with Russ Ortiz or Monasterios vs. Green (or, shudder, DeWitt), in case they want to take 12 pitchers.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 31, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You would think the weakened bullpen [no Kuo, Beli, iffy Sherrill] would push them toward keeping that 12th pitcher.
Since we’re weighing the risk/reward of possibly keeping Monk, what is his upside? I’ve asked this before but got no replies. Realistically, what could we expect him to become in 2-3 years if we make all this effort to keep him?
Hard to tell
he wasn’t thought of enough by the Phillies to protect. He’s never pitched above A+ ball by the age of 23.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=monast001car
But our scout saw something he liked.
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Why the hell didn't that idiot Timmons ask Logan White about Monk???
My stages of reaction to not being the guy to spend 90 minutes with White are just like the stages of grief. This is the anger stage.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I would think this as well. It makes absolutely no sense to keep an unnecessary player in Green over a player that could help out in the pen.
Completely agree that Green
does not belong.
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Fangraphs.com finally put the Mariners on their 30-1 franchise list
at #6. All but maybe 10% of the comments are just people that are completely puzzled by this ranking and pointing out that the Mariners problems are being glossed over while teams like the Giants, Phillies, Tigers, etc…get heavily penalized for the same types of problems.
Way to go, Fangraphs.
I’m fascinated by how seriously you are taking that list.
by Michael White on Mar 31, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Tough being the Phillies
having to deal with all the problems that come with going to the World Series. Luckily the Mariners are not under those arduous constraints.
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It's Dave Cameron's list
Not Fangraphs list. :)
If the guy from Halo Heaven was working for Fangraphs the Mariners would be around 20th. I like to think of it as one of those studies you see published in Yahoo News every month or so, naming the top 10 cities to live in. Due to weather and lack of diversity etc…, I’d probably never want to live in 7 or 8 of them. These studies like the one Dave Cameron is doing is extremely subjective. Instead of worrying about his rankings, which are very flawed – instead concentrate on the substance and consider it more of an educational read (minus the rankings). Because he does offer some good analysis mixed in there.
vr, Xei
Good point, but he is writing under the fangraphs name and masthead, so he has to take that into account. Even if he isn’t speaking for fangraphs, he is representing them at all times with what he writes, the level of effort and analysis he puts in, etc. I never post any article here without thinking about how it represents TBLA. Comments on the other hand….. :)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
True, but he says that he alone did not make these rankings, that it was a group effort with the input from other staff writers. The authors at Fangraphs are all very bright “sabermetricly” leaning people. So it is natural to see them (and Cameron) favor teams that run their team like running a fortune 500 business. They did an excellent job of getting rid of all of their dead weight contracts left over from the previous ownership. They did a great job of finding value in the Cliff Lee trade. They did a great job of filling the holes of players who left via free agency (treaded water). They’ve always done a great job of finding value in defensively minded players, and they’ve made a great hire of Tom Tango as one of their lead consultants on the stats side. If this were the Billboard Top 100, the Mariners would definitely have a bullet or two next to their name based on they migrate from ownership that traded Adam Jones for a year of Erik Bedard to an ownership that flipped a few middle ceiling prospects for a stud pitcher in Cliff Lee who has a very friendly contract and later can grab two high draft picks for him. I’d give the Mariners the bullet next to their name, but not sure if I’d rank them this high YET.
vr, Xei
If we're talking about directions of the team though
from an organizational perspective, they are about 6.
Talent wise though, no. Front office wise, yes.
by Chad Moriyama on Mar 31, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Thinking out loud
of what my list would look like. This is no particular order, but this is a list of how I’d compare teams vs the Mariners using the FG criteria.
Above for sure (5)
Yankees, Red Sox, Rays, Cardinals, Phillies
Probably above (2)
Braves, Rockies
Even “Eric” Stephen (4)
Angels, Twins, Rangers, Dodgers
So I’d rank em anywhere from #6 to 12th. If we throw them in the middle of the last two groups that would make them 9th. Fangraphs hasn’t called me yet. :)
vr, Xei
The Cardinals have one of the 2 or 3 worst farm systems in baseball, which should be weighed against them somewhat heavily. In 2 years, Pujols still start making anywhere from 23-27 million a year, handicapping their payroll. In 2 years as well, I believe Carpenter and Wainwright will be free agents. Their farm system is so bad that if they lose those two, and can’t spend all that much, their rotation will be seriously horrible after 2011. I’d imagine they’d try to keep Wainwright, though.
Good point
if the Cards don’t have plans to open up the purse strings if/when they sign Pujols they wouldn’t deserve to be this high. The always somehow manage to pull a rabbit out of the hat as far as starting pitchers go. I wonder how much of that is/was attributed to their pitching coach?
vr, Xei
Jon Ely & Scott Dohmann are scheduled to follow Russ Ortiz. Does a shortened outing for Ortiz mean he’s out of the 5th starter competition?
Rest of week - starting pitchers
tonight – Towers
tomorrow – Haeger
Friday – Kershaw
Saturday – Billingsley (Kuroda will also pitch in that game)
Haeger is starting tomorrow in LA? Fun! I saw some of the tickets on Stub Hub are as low as .75 for Top Deck
by robotmadeofnails on Mar 31, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitching tonight in Vegas
Josh Towers starting, then Ramon Ortiz, Carlos Monasterios, Luis Ayala & Justin Miller in relief
Top 1st
Velez K’s, DeRosa singles up the middle and Sandoval lines into a double play at Loney.
The Giants have an audio feed on their website for those interested.
With James losing 15 pounds
maybe we will get to say Leaping Loney Latches Loose Liner more often
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5th starter spot
It doesn’t matter much whether or not they have the 5th starter pitch on April 10 or 11 (because Padilla will end up starting on 5 days rest once in his first three starts no matter what), but it appears the Dodgers have made their choice. Per the game notes:
The fifth spot in the rotation, which will come up for the first time on April 10 in Florida, has not been decided.
Then again, maybe it’s just a PR guy looking at a calendar.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 31, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
How come none of you guys who went to Camelback
noticed the slimmer version of Loney?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Who is this generic announcer on the MLB webcast?
Hank Greenwald? He’s not bad or anything, just Mr. Generic Announcer.
Hope the Dodgers hit the ball at some point today.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Hank Greenwald...
…has about the driest sense of humor of anyone ever permitted to broadcast MLB games. Just love the guy…
by wonderphenom on Mar 31, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah it was Doug Greenwald
his son, as it turned out. Announcer for the AAA Fresno Grizzlies who occasionally does spot duty for the Giants. Hank retired awhile back. Doug has similar voice though.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Some sloppy play
leads to a run for Giants, on Furcal and Martin (it sounds like).
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Tweeted
dodgerthoughts Dodgers strike out six times in first two innings against … Horacio Ramirez.
Good thing these games don’t count.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
"Nick" Lambo now in the outfield for LA
according to Mr Generic Announcer.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Great! Uribe just took Ortiz deep
Now I can root for the Giants while Ortiz is in there.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
And took RuOrtiz with him
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Russ
When I hear the name Russ, I think of Anthony Michael Hall in the backseat of the wood-paneled station wagon.
"Good talk, Russ!"
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Kensai...
Okay, what about Scott Van Slyke?
by CanuckDodger on Mar 31, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I have his upside as solid rf, downside replacement rf, likely fringe average rf.
Thoughts? :o
I know you like him.
by Chad Moriyama on Mar 31, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Scott Van Slyke
Upside: A better RF than Ethier, because he has more power than Ethier showed as a 22-year-old in the California League, and his defense is better. Van Slyke is a “true RF,” rather than an LF playing right like Ethier.
Downside: While Van Slyke’s SO rate is not ridiculous like Kyle Russell’s, it is high enough that I have concerns that Van Slyke may not make enough contact the higher he goes in the pros, so he could end up a AAAA guy. The hitting prospects that I rate as having “high floors” are the guys who don’t whiff much in the minors, like Ethier, Loney, DeWitt, and DeJesus.
Likely Outcome: The gap between his ceiling and his floor is so huge I honestly have no idea how Van Slyke is going to turn out, which is why I ranked him ONLY #13 in our system. Am a “high” on him? Only relative to the usual authorities on prospects, it seems. At this point I am certainly not writing his ticket to Dodger Stadium, or any other MLB park. I think 2010 is a very important year for him.
by CanuckDodger on Mar 31, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m about on page with you, I think, though I don’t see the huge hitting upside quite yet. His swing is sort of like Russ Mitchell and May in a bad way. :o
by Chad Moriyama on Mar 31, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Starter not playing very long.
Must have an early flight.
Ortiz = better hitter at this point than pitcher.
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Crash Davis, I mean Lindsey...
AAAA/minor league lifers, John Lindsey rips a deep two run home run.
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Yah it sounds like he pitched well actually
but a bit of bad luck and bad defense (also by the 24th string second baseman who hesitated and allowed Giants to score on a double steal). But he did K the side.
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Furcal has me worried. I know it will never happen, but I am curious how his numbers would look if he only batted right handed. He hits so much better against lefties, but not sure how all that would translate against righties if batting RH.
Isn't he often a slow starter? I recall him having poor springs before
and despite the fact that he’s actually healthy this offseason for once I didn’t expect much out of him until the season starts for real. If he’s slumping in May and June I’ll be more worried… But yeah ceasing to be a switch hitter has been brought up before, curious about it too.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
If Padilla going just three innings today is indicative of how the final tune up starts will play out, it sounds like Withrow just may have a chance to get an inning at Dodger Stadium this weekend, or perhaps in Anaheim.
of course, it also meant Russ Ortiz went 3 innings, so his roster status is still in play.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 31, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Despite being horrible in those three innings?
I think his roster status is play…ed out. ;-)
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Anyone notice the new scoreboard look
at www.mlb.com?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Sigh, Preston Mattingly continues to look like
a non-prospect, alas.
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It appears unlikely
Hasn’t shown any signs of deserving a promotion. Not even nepotism can help him. ;-) It’s sad, though.
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What a waste
of a first round draft pick. Or supplemental. Whatever the hell he was, it was a waste of.
I'll take that bet.
He’s only one step away, hard to not get at least that step with his Dad in the organization.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If it was any consolation, Beckett to the Dodgers was never going to happen anyway
by Eric Stephen on Mar 31, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Dang it
Since I have him in my leagues I wanted him to pitch all year without a contract. Now he and Lackey will be smoking dollar bills in the locker room and blowing circles around Paplebon’s head while he does some kind of gig.
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Do you think someone like myself could participate in a fantasy draft
with no preview magazines or lists?
Online, easy Yes
Offline at a table in a face to face league definitely no. You would need at least a list.
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And I will say
that until you do a face to face auction or draft you are only enjoying a very small part of roto baseball. The once a year auction or draft is usually the highlight of the league as you really do match wits. It is an interesting experience that anyone with serious baseball knowledge should attempt.
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The thing I miss most about the regular league I was in is definitely draft day.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 31, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The league I just finished on Sunday
has owners from Boston, Washington, and Arizona. Last year one guy couldn’t make it as he was on vacation on Kaui but instead of bowing out of the league he hired someone to be his proxy and he spent 12 hours on the phone doing the auction.
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I have never had a face to face draft
After college, we all dispersed…
by Michael White on Mar 31, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
six of our members
all went to UC Riverside. Crazy bastards.
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Just don't get too drunk
at the beginning of the draft and blow a third of your money on the first two players bid on. Otherwise, you will have a couple of hours to kill. Every live auction draft has that guy. Don’t be that guy! :)
vr, Xei
Apparently the Giants are commemorating the 10th anniversary openning of
Telephone Park. It openned with a Dodgers’ win…much the way Candlestick was closed down to baseball. I like the trend here.
"We have to win eight. I'll be crushed if we don't win eight." CRN...Eat it BN, lol
They are inviting Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent back for that event. I suggested via Twitter that they also invite Kevin Elster. :)
by Eric Stephen on Mar 31, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
"I'm less washed up than your PG"
LOL, Great line, thanks for the twitter posts. They help make conference calls more enjoyable to sit through.
"We have to win eight. I'll be crushed if we don't win eight." CRN...Eat it BN, lol
Just an FYI for Kenley Jensen fans
Sergio Santos was a lousy hitting SS for Arizona and I stopped following him. Turns out he was converted to a pitcher and just made the White Sox roster. I only bring this up because he was just converted last year. That is quite a jump.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=santos001ser
Take a look at his 2009 season. He went from A to A+ to AA to AAA and now he’s in the big leagues. How about that?
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His minor league stats are horrendous!
How is he already in the big camp with a minor league WHIP of nearly 2, a decent portion of which is the 6.3 walks/9 innings?
From the SB Nation White Sox writer
. I’ve seen all of about 10 pitches from Santos this spring, and I don’t need to see any more. He’s got a big fastball and a functional breaking ball. The Sox will lose him if he doesn’t make the roster. And even though he hasn’t quite demonstrated major league control as of yet, that fastball and his limited time on a professional mound would seem to make him an ideal candidate for camp Cooper’s learn-on-the-fly approach.
I guess because they would lose him they are going to try to baby him through the learning curve. I remember his arm as a SS, it seems we are seeing more and more big arm futility hitters being converted to pitchers.
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Sort of like stashing a rule 5 draft guy, keep him or lose him.
Also, they don’t have Jon Link anymore. ;)
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