Thank You for showing up
On a mindless Monday TBLA had 400 comments about a preseason game. For most of you that is no big deal, for this author, it is the biggest deal. Not the 400 comments per se, but the rollicking banter between authors and members. Jon Weisman author of Dodger Thoughts noted today when our comment volume was being discussed:
I do feel kind of bad, in a really selfish, immature way, in that I feel like I did a lot to build the community that now exists elsewhere.
That community Jon is talking about is you. Some of you have never heard of the "Baseball Toaster" but it was where Eric, Dave, and myself first learned what it was like to have a community of baseball friends who could not only discuss the Dodgers intelligently but also other parts of the universe as long as it did not include religion or politics. A refuge from a mindless day at work, a diversion from life, a place to hang your hat where everyone knows you name.
When I came to TBLA we were the opposite of the Baseball Toaster. No one read us or of if they did, they rarely commented on what was written. Game threads were dead, given how much work Andrew (prior manager) put into this site it was remarkable that Andrew didn't say screw it in the middle of the season. Maybe he simply stopped writing to see if anyone would notice. I'll be honest even as I wrote at TBLA my heart was still at Dodger Thoughts. What would be the point of commenting on a site where no one responded? I'd get more reactions to things I wrote for TBLA at DT then I did on my own site. So did Andrew. I'll be honest, I was green with envy. It was a controlled envy because I knew Jon had earned the market share that was Dodger Thoughts. Still from time to time I would allow myself to dream that someday we could build TBLA to be something akin to the Toaster knowing full well it was simply another one of my dreams that would never come to pass.
Two and half years later I was wrong. We have a thriving community, I know all of you, better yet, I like most of you, even better yet, you have made TBLA a place that is fun to hang out at. Today's game thread didn't have a large number of participants but the ones who did are the ones I enjoy talking with. Each month we get new members, some better then others. A few months ago a young kid joined called lakersdogersyankes4life who has become a solid member of the community. It is members like Tommy that make writing for TBLA better then I ever expected it could be.
Some time I ago I implored our members to make use of the fanposts/fanshots, and you responded with such fervor that we could stop writing for a day and we would still have plenty of content. Over the past few months we have asked David and Mike to help with the writing chores at TBLA but we could have asked any number of you because we have such a talented group of commentators. The only difference between you and me is that I was here first.
So I just wanted to thank all of you for showing up.
Back to Jon's quote which made me want to write this column. I understand what he is saying and I do feel bad. I asked Eric Stephen to join TBLA because he was simply the best DT poster out there. Eric is such a prolific writer that he could manage TBLA, make most of our comments, and continue to make most of the DT comments. When you take a way a contributor like Eric it is going to have an impact. When Jon looks to TBLA he's really looking toward Eric because it has been Eric who has turned the deadbeat TBLA into the community we now all enjoy. After Eric came aboard he brought along several long time DT posters like El Lay Dave, BHSportsguy, and Underdog. We decided to stop sharing El Lay Dave and turned him into David Young so he'd hang his hat here more then there. Jon must have had great respect for their writing since both BHSportsguy and Underdog were asked to write for his Dodger Maple Street Press book. Jon is dead on when he says
I feel like I did a lot to build the community that now exists elsewhere.
He is the sole reason TBLA exists in this format. I expressed this sentiment before but I know for a fact I would not be writing about the Dodgers if not for Dodger Thoughts. I'm sure Eric and David would echo that sentiment. Everything that TBLA has become is owed to Jon. We all know it. His early and continued support of the columns, the friendly banter of the commentators, to the even keel we try to keep regarding the team. The goal was always to build something akin to what we had left. Jon is to blame for our success. If he had never linked to my early attempts I would probably have gotten frustrated and quit since the only time I knew anybody would read what I wrote was if he linked it. He was like the Godfather, he controlled our happiness.
Once the season starts I expect the comments will once again flourish at DT but I will not look there with envy anymore. I'm proud of this place, I'm proud of what Eric has built, I'm proud I had something to do with it even it was simply keeping this place running until we found a placeholder. We had no idea when we started writing together in Dec of 2008 that SB Nation was about to sign a game changing deal with Yahoo Sports but we were luckily in the right place at the right time. In my case it has always been better to be lucky then good.
In my ideal world Jon would be a paid writer at SB Nation using the SB Nation writing and commenting software forming a powerhouse combination with Eric that would be a must read for any Dodger fan. The biggest advantage of TBLA is the SB Nation platform from writing to commenting, as it is easy to share the load not only with other writers but the commentators. The reason I say my ideal world is because I'd love to see what Jon would do on our stage where he wouldn't have to worry about the minutiae of the Dodgers but concentrate on what he does best.
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Jon has always been very vocal of his love for his DT community
Eric Stephen, Eric Enders, Molly Knight, Underdog, Bob Timmermann, myself and then other site runners, Kensai and Mike from MSTI, were all big contributors to that book. It will be only publication I will ever contribute to where I knew the majority of the people who wrote for it.
Isn't this seem a bit high for Minor league deal
via Jon Heyman
SI_JonHeyman
hank blalock agrees to minor-league deal with #rays for $925,000 plus $400,000 in extras.
Hey Phil,
I never knew the toaster or dodger thoughts prior to July 2009, and even then I was always narrow minded when it came to reading material about the Dodgers. It was you that captured my eye to joining TBLA. Always thought that you were on top of Dodger blogging mortality, and still do. To read that you’re kind of discrediting yourself of TBLA’s success is blasphemy.
A few months ago a young kid joined called lakersdogersyankes4life who has become a solid member of the community. It is members like Tommy that make writing for TBLA better then I ever expected it could be.
Thanks Phil. This site has become the first I visit and I am looking forward to continue reading here for a long time. This site has easily become the 1st site I check when I get home… it’s nice to have a site that not only talks baseball, but almost anything of interest
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 8, 2010 7:08 PM PST reply actions
I should mention
that this website has more of a family feel that is obsessed with baseball than just fans. Most websites when they have a new member just pretend that they had always been there and move on. You have gone out of your way to welcome me into the TBLA family. Thank you Phil
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 8, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
4+1
game was the epitome of DT. We got a huge write up in the Sports Illustrated end of the year magazine when they compared our comments on DT to the comments on the Padres blog – with each comment time stamped.
vr, Xei
It would take some
serious google searching. I’d probably go through the DT Baseball Toaster archives to find it as it had its own DT blog entry when we made it into the magazine. I vaguely remember it being in both print and online as far as the ESPN article went. It was the end of year special issue and I bought two of the magazines because one of my quotes from DT was used as the article headline.
vr, Xei
Just checking in ... afer a long day
and just left a note on DT
Kudos
You are all doing a great job.
Great job.
THANK YOU
this post is
epic. Having been a long time DT’er (and a scout.com guy before that) I’m happy to have found a home here. I do miss the toaster. And my fists do too.
Who is Karim Garcia? Who is he to challenge me?
by Who Is Karim Garcia? on Mar 8, 2010 7:45 PM PST reply actions
Just want to say I really enjoy this blog and you guys are doing a great job.
I originally started reading DT at the Toaster sometime in early ‘08. At first, I was just a lurker, reading Jon’s articles and browsing through the ensuing comments. I really enjoyed Jon’s writing, the comments, the banter between all of you guys, and the quality of the baseball discussion.
After a while, I began to dip my toe in the water and drop in a comment here and there, and soon thereafter I found myself engaged in full discussions when I had the time (I had a different posting name). I couldn’t even come close to keeping up with the amount a lot of you commented, but still found myself checking the site and reading the comments as often as possible. The community feel was awesome, everyone loved the Dodgers and most of the comments and discussions were either insightful, provoking, informational and/or instructional.
In ’09, I guess I just sort of followed the traffic over here to TBLA and recognized many of the names from DT and the Toaster days. Putting the amazing commenting software aside, the writing here is great, and more importantly the commenting community here makes this the first and last site I visit every day. I think I am addicted to TBLA.
TBLA
I am new to both sites, but when I first started viewing the sites I was so relieved to know there was a better place for dodger fans than espn.com. I started with DT and from there was introduced to TBLA. For months I have read every post and viewed nearly every comment until I finally joined recently. I look forward to being apart of this community and really appreciate all the efforts of the writers at both sites.
by SLC DODGER FAN on Mar 8, 2010 8:06 PM PST via mobile reply actions
From someone who an outside perspective who a) discovered both blogs post-Baseball Toaster and b) only occasionally comments, I feel like some of the competition is overblown, as the blogs seem so closely affiliated. Sort of like if Bill Bill Belichick and Erik Mangini were best friends.
site line
here’s the deal:
for about two seasons, i loved dodger thoughts. watching a game with my laptop going became a small ritual. very fun.
and, to this day, i still like dodger thoughts. kinda.
but love faded when it jumped to LA Times. (nothing wrong with LAT, per se, but something about the blogging format felt weird. plus i work at another newspaper and i don’t want to give them the hits).
anyway, in the past year or so, i’ve found true blue la to be more than a happy substitute. this blog is far less mannered than DT, and i mean that in the best possible way. true blue la seems to pull from a broader range of information, it’s less sappy, more open to the odd drunken poster, funnier; tolerant of the occasional f-bomb.. it’s also filled with crackpots and experts, groups that aren’t always mutually exclusive.
don’t know if that matters to you guys, but it does to me.
much appreciated.
plus i work at another newspaper and i don’t want to give them the hits).
haha, never help the opponent ;)
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 8, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Great post Phil. I am on the road and when I got to Atlanta, after cleaning up a littany of emails, I checked into TBLA to see what was going on. I’m getting pumped for the season, and there’s nowhere I look before TBLA for Dodger info these days. I will admit that I was blown away at seeing over 500 comments. Holy crap! This is preseason! You guys have obviously built a great site and a great community where Dodger fans like myself can commune with each other. My hats off to all of you, especially my little bro. I’m very proud of his, and all of your, accomplishments.
That being said, >500 posts for a preseason game? My God…what is the real season going to bring us? I won’t be able to keep up! But try I will!
Completley Agree
When I get home there is already 300+ comments on a PRESEASON game… unbelievable…
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 8, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
DodgerThoughts and TBLA - the Koufax and Drysdale of Dodger Blogs
To me, it’s not a matter of choosing one, but being fortunate to have both resources to feed our Dodger news needs, as well as our baseball souls.
Between the two, I’d like to think we have most of the bases covered and when you add the number of other Dodger-related blogs, we have all the information possibly available to us. I love seeing the collaboration between the two blogs, and reading postings that complement each other, rather than compete.
As we head toward the season, I’ll continue to click back and forth between DT and TBLA (feeling as if I were Jackie Robinson winning a track meet and then suiting up for a baseball game the same day).
No competition
but I"m sure you meant clicking back and fourth between TBLA and DT.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
My mom called me this afternoon and told me she bought this maple street dodger magazine at vons today for me. I told her I wanted it and did not know where to buy it, so I am excited to see her tomorrow for her Tuesday babysitting day of the boy.
The comments were great today, and it was fun to hang out with everyone. This site surely has surpassed DT, and I enjoy it much more. There was an attitude in the toaster days that I did not really like, and I never felt that here. It helps that I keep running into the editors at Clipper games too.
Big Clipper Game
information forthcoming
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I saw the Maple Street Dodger Magazine at a liquor store in Oxnard last week, and was very tempted to buy it. It was more expensive than any magazine i have bought before, and I hadn’t gotten paid yet, so it will have to wait for now, haha.
Merger Monday?
Interesting this topic comes out into the open when it’s been lurking in the shadows recently. Obviously, from a mere reader’s/commenter’s perspective, combining DT & TBLA would be ideal.
kershaw and withrow
2 of the coolest pitching names…
WOW to the 18-22 second part
he threw a nearly EFFORTLESS pitch to strike out the batter looking….. It looked like he was throwing a warm up pitch!!!!! and he hit 94 MPH…. WOW
Now on double duty
As a longtime DTer, I finally registered for TBLA. For the last few years, DT has been my only Dodger home (I would read the posts on here as well), but it seems like the tides have sort of changed a little bit away from DT as far as commenters go. It will be strange at first checking on two Dodger sites every day, but hopefully I can become as much of a part of this community as I felt with DT at the Toaster.
You can participate in both
But Phil and Eric do a great job in making everyone feel welcome. I was going to email you and see if you wanted to check out some UCLA baseball games, my Wooden Fund card gives me free admission for two.
I’ll email you more info.
Matt Kemp on hitting 2nd
I definitely like hitting 2nd more than I like hitting 8th and 9th. But wherever I’m at, I’m going to try my best to get hits. I know Torre has faith in me. It really doesn’t matter where he puts me. As long as he puts me in the lineup, it’s all good. I just want to play every day, every single day, 162.
Billingsley joked about throwing a ton of pitches
I just wanted to make sure I got all my pitches in the first two innings, so I didn’t have to go down to the bullpen and throw extra.
Then he laughed after he said it. Chad Billingsley, jester. :)
Love what you have done to the place.
Don’t post too much here, but read everything. Now, all that’s missing is getting Timmermann back doing his baseball stuff on the internets.
Neat!
{sniff} {wipes tear from eye}
Only thing is, who’s this underdog jerk you kept referring to above?
(But seriously, keep up the great work. I’m excited to have both DodgerThoughts and TBLA to look forward to reading every day and keeping me sane during the season. Or semi sane. We’re really lucky as D fans to have both to enjoy.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Blog Roll for the game thread
Roll Call: silverwidow, meercatjohn, Eric Stephen, BFDC, bhsportsguy, delias man, Michael White, robotmadeofnails, S Jay Bruin, prosellis, Ivdown, Xeifrank, OB12, kinbote, David Young, underdog, kngoworld, sarcastro9, oshea2002, LA Taco, CanuckDodger, SeanMillerSavior
Total Users: 22
Total Posts: 506
Total Threads: 1
Name # of Posts
Eric Stephen 117
meercatjohn 107
Ivdown 34
bhsportsguy 32
BFDC 30
David Young 30
silverwidow 27
delias man 27
prosellis 24
underdog 22
Michael White 21
kinbote 15
SeanMillerSavior 4
OB12 4
Xeifrank 4
LA Taco 2
robotmadeofnails 1
CanuckDodger 1
sarcastro9 1
S Jay Bruin 1
kngoworld 1
oshea2002 1
So Eric and I dominated the conversation. My teachers said I never could keep my mouth shut.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
But I'm not sure what I "win"
for having a few more comments on an exhibition game thread other than my boss’s irritation ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
I rarely comment
But I always read, both at DT and TBLA. And I have to say, one of the best things about both sites are its readers. I feel that I learn as much from comments on a posting than the posting itself (of course the writing at both sites are excellent). After a long day, making it through the posts and comments, I feel thoroughly informed, and I find there is nothing left to say. I do sometimes make an appearance in game threads, and I feel TBLA just works wondefully for this purpose. Sometimes its nice to share in the frustration and joy of a game with other die-hards :)
1. I couldn’t say it better than Phil did. TBLA is what is today because of DT.
2. Jon Weisman is THE MAN, both at writing and at community building. Stumbling onto DT is what showed me there was something out there beyond what was being fed to us by the mainstream sports media.
3. I found TBLA through DT because Andrew commented at DT. I read TBLA, but commented only occasionally. (Through an unfortunate accident, all my TBLA comments prior to May 2009 have ceased to exist – and I didn’t get spider-powers in return – but I did get in my shots at Andrew, mostly about hair colors and girlie drinks.) I really enjoyed reading Phil’s columns (Phil, we need the return of Ned fan fiction!), and the topper was the addition of the sheer force that is Eric Stephen. These guys in combination really made me take more notice. I was pretty surprised when they asked me to join as an “editor”, and it still surprises me to see my name on the “masthead”, but I am honored to be in such company. Any time you get an opportunity to join a winner, you don’t turn it down.
4. I still read every post and comment at DT; it is still that important to me. I may comment less there than before, but I am still there.
5. There are several fine Dodger blogs out there that I read frequently, even if I comment on them seldomly. This is a great time to be a Dodger fan.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Through an unfortunate accident, all my TBLA comments prior to May 2009 have ceased to exist – and I didn’t get spider-powers in return
^hahaha
Idk why, but I’ve never been to DT unless it’s been a linked article, and I’ve never really poked around. I guess I should take a look with all the great praise everyone is giving it.
I just joined today
but this is the first site I look at when I get home from work to check for Dodgers news. I wanted to let you guys know what a great job you do with this site and I’ve really enjoyed the past year.
Simple fact is
this place and Dodger Thoughts are the two greatest sites for a Dodger fan to visit and the first place I check every day when I hit the web, during the season or in the off-season. It doesn’t matter who was first, where they were, or why fans moved. It’s all one community to me. Thanks to all of you that make these sites possible for making being a Dodger fan just a little bit easier from half a country away and half a world away. I appreciate what you do.
I could see this being explored, but only after Bellisario arrives and is able to go for OD or shortly thereafter. I think replacing Sherrill wouldn’t be too difficult, we have plenty of live arms, but I don’t know much about the Minnesota system or who we might be interested in. This is probably a situation that would be best to wait until closer to the start of the season, once we have made it through ST and the bullpen is mostly in tact and the Twins have determined that they don’t have a replacement for Nathan.
Or once
Link-blom prove themselves awesome to Torre.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Joe Nathan TJ surgery – Everyone who was in the trade of AJ that was so lauded at the time has now undergone surgery, Liriano, Nathan, and Boozer. Still an incredible trade, just pointing out how quickly what seemed like a bountiful harvest can turn sour when young arms are the commodity.
Elbert does not look like he’s going to be the fifth starter so he could fill the brim reapers shoes.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Can't see them
not using Stults to start the year.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I check TDLA all day
to see what is going on. It’s become such a big part of my day that my wife tells me “ask your blogging friends” whenever I have a Dodgers question. I love it here, thank you everyone.
by Skunkburner on Mar 9, 2010 9:36 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Correction: TBLA. Damn nubby fingers
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The first article I ever read on here was the Verducci Effect one about Billingsley. I really liked the article, but never read anything else on here. One day last summer I decided to find the article and then see what was on here. I was a frequent poster on Dodgers.com, and this place is 100 times better if not 1000. I love the writers and the posters on here.
You know though, the thing that really hooked me in was the daily minor league stat posts. I loved reading those almost more than anything else on here, minus the aftergame posts. I hope those continue because I’m definitely looking forward to those in 2010.
Top notch job, guys!
TBLA has stepped it up
I started reading DT during the passionate Hee-Seop Choi debates. The comments were so comprehensive I just lurked and absorbed as much knowledge as possible. I remember TBLA in its nascent days and wondered why it wasn’t as big as the other SB sites like MCC and BleedCubbieBlue, but you guys have worked hard to make it the force it is today.
I used to liken my following of TBLA and DT to 24-hour cable news and 60 Minutes, respectively. I came here for up-to-the-minute stories and statistical analysis, while DT provided Jon’s unique perspective and incredible writing. I think the comments here are on par with DT in terms of intelligence, which is no small task. A lot of credit goes to the TBLA authors who have fostered a culture of intelligent Dodger discussion.
I never saw a competition between DT and TBLA because TBLA is pretty much a DT-commenter All-Star team. EricStephen, BHSportsguy, Phil Gurnee, El Lay Dave… you guys (along with Kensai and CanuckDodger) were the people I stopped and read word for word as I scrolled down the 300+ daily comments on the old DT Toaster site. Dodger fans are lucky that TBLA provides a forum for all of you to spark your own conversations about everything Dodgers.
Its truly amazing to see how far blogs have come in such a short time
I remember DT was the first blog I read, and I used to comment as Lonestar7 during Toaster days. Now I’ve tried to universalize my name as Ollie/Oliver on most of the blogs that I read because they really do seem to become a community and a family, and I feel a bit of personal attachment to each one.
I know I’ve been primarily a lurker for a long while since the divorce debate cooled down, but I assure you I’ll be back when school ends and baseball rolls around because I’ll almost certainly be in sort of miserable internship or summer school class with nothing to else to do but track baseball : )
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Thanks for all the great info
You guys rock. Writing a baseball blog has to be incredibly demanding considering the long season. I mean how much can one really put into a Wednesday afternoon game agains the Marlins? But I’m glad you do it. Keep it up.
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