Dodgers Need to Fill Roster with Best Players
First, I completely agree with Eric's position that the blame for the loss last night needs to go squarely on the starting pitcher. Chad Billingsley was given 5 runs of support, but was unable to last 6 innings and surrendered 6 runs in the process. Through two turns in the rotation, the Dodgers top 3 starters (if the order they pitched is an indicator of such things) in Billingsley, Vicente Padilla, and Clayton Kershaw have failed so far to pitch 6 innings. Needless to say, having 3 of the 5 starting pitchers unable to pitch deep into games all season would certainly be a major issue which couldn't be overcome no matter how strong the bullpen.
Two things though. First, I certainly don't think the trend of being completely unable to pitch into the 7th inning will remain a constant for all three pitchers. It's not as though Billingsley and Kershaw haven't been here before. Ignoring last season for a moment, 2008 saw Billinsgley struggle mightily early in the season, posting an ERA of 5.20 and recording a 1-4 record in April of 2008. Billingsley would be solid the remainder of the season. The same is true of Kershaw. Last April, Kershaw was 0-2 with an ERA of 7.29, before ultimately rebounding to post a 2.79 ERA for the season. It might look a bit more grim with Chad, since he finished last season struggling and now appears to be struggling again, but that leads me to my second point. Kershaw, Padilla and Billingsley are the best we've got. For better or worse, the Dodgers are married to these three pitchers, and as fans we're going to have to hope that they turn it around and perform well enough to keep the Dodgers in contention this season.
The bullpen is a different story. As Eric mentioned, a strong case could be made that three of the Dodger bullpen pieces shouldn't even be in the major leagues. With 3 of your 5 starting pitchers struggling early in the season, I'm going to go out an a limb and say that perhaps the team should populate its bullpen with the best pitchers possible. James McDonald proved in 2009 that he can be effective out of the bullpen in the major leagues, posting an impressive 2.72 ERA in 41 appearances last season as a reliever. Brent Leach also made an apperance last season, and the lefty has the tools to certainly perform as a LOOGY in the Dodgers bullpen (especially considering that the only other lefty in the Dodger pen currently is George Sherrill who hopefully will not be used as a LOOGY.) Both Scott Elbert and Travis Schlichting have shown enough in the minor league in prior years to warrant callups in the past (Schlichting was impressive last night striking out 4 batters in 3 hitless innings of relief.) The Dodgers also have the option to call up Josh Lindblom, who has struggled since being converted to a starting pitcher late in spring traning, but profiles better as a reliever anyway.
The Dodgers have options in the bullpen, and with the Dodgers pitchers struggling it would have been swell if the Dodger bullpen could have salvaged a few of these games so far. A few people on this board have been very vocal about the foolishness of making roster decisions based on fears of losing borderline major league pitchers who don't have options (or have an out in their contract allowing them to be free agents if they choose.) The Dodgers have now started 3-5 and the club should look to bring in bullpen help immediately. Hopefully the Dodger starters are just working out early season issues. If so, by adding strength to the bullpen in the time period before Ronald Belisario and Hong-Chih Kuo return the team might be able to salvage games like last night when their starter lets the team down. If the starters don't turn it around, the prospect for the season looks bad indeed, however all I'm actually advocating here is putting the Dodgers best bullpen options in the bullpen. It's not a horrible down-side scenario.
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Haven't finished reading yet, but Padilla is one of the 3 best we've got
and not Kuroda?
by Ivdown on Apr 15, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No, I stopped half way through. And I didn’t stop to never read it again…hence the yet…And it’s not like he ever addressed my question, so what is your point?
I don’t have a problem with what he wrote, I was just wondering why he said Padilla over Kuroda. I’m not sure why it would be something to “wow”.
by Ivdown on Apr 15, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
(if the order they pitched is an indicator of such things)
he adresses it a sentence after the statement
by matthewmafa on Apr 15, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
The only time the rotation has been in that order was the first 3 games of the season, and the rotation is now in the correct order of Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda, Padilla, Haeger. I guess that’s why I’m asking about it, because Padilla isn’t truly one of our top 3 starters in the rotation or top 3 talent starters.
by Ivdown on Apr 15, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i guess its just because
you like to start controversy
by matthewmafa on Apr 15, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s obviously it. It couldn’t have been that I didn’t see why he would list Padilla as one of our best 3 starters even though he’s now our 4th starter and Kuroda is much better than he is.
I was making the point that we all realize that Padilla wasn’t really the number 1 starter for us, and he definitely is not one of our 3 best starters, so i wanted to see why Michael wrote that. There was no bad intentions, I just wanted it clarified for my sake.
by Ivdown on Apr 15, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you are just mad at me because I call you out on stupid things you say.
by Ivdown on Apr 15, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yah and now im calling you out for not reading the article corrrectly
by matthewmafa on Apr 15, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I did read it, actually.
Kershaw, Padilla and Billingsley are the best we’ve got. For better or worse, the Dodgers are married to these three pitchers, and as fans we’re going to have to hope that they turn it around and perform well enough to keep the Dodgers in contention this season.
He does say this earlier in the post:
Through two turns in the rotation, the Dodgers top 3 starters (if the order they pitched is an indicator of such things) in Billingsley, Vicente Padilla, and Clayton Kershaw…
But just because Padilla started the opener doesn’t mean he was the number 1 pitcher. In fact, we’ve already seen the rotation righted by Padilla pitching in the 4th spot in the rotation. It’s not a knock on Michael, it’s just with what he wrote and what I bolded, I wasn’t sure why he would include Padilla over Kuroda, given that all of us know Kuroda is the true 3rd starter behind Kershaw and Billingsley, not Padilla.
My intent was not to start some problem, but to seek clarification.
Can you two just make out and get it over with?
Drop it.
by Eric Stephen on Apr 15, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What is this, a Jack in the Box commercial?
by Ivdown on Apr 15, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with everything you said fwiw
Kuroda > Padilla
and for 2010 Kuroda probably = Billingsley
Haeger and Padilla may easily end up equals too.
vr, Xei
I really hope that means that Kuroda has a great season, not that Billingsley has an above average season.
Wouldn’t it be something if Haeger pitched well enough to take over the 4th spot in the rotation and it put Padilla on the hot seat? I’m not convinced it could happen, but it would be funny.
by Ivdown on Apr 15, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
unrelated
Xeifrank – ive read this blog nonstop since beginning of last year and noticed you end your comments with vr, Xei, what does vr mean/stand for?
I think it is “Very Respectfully”, a salutation.
by CarolinaDodger on Apr 15, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Dave Cameron weighs in on “Russ” Martin’s patience:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/russ-martins-selectivity
pitching woes
Agree totally
instead of having 4 old arms (actually 3 old, 1 young untested) on the roster bring up the hard throwing young arms whose mistakes at least wont be 83 mph pitches down the middle. Pennents are not won in april but can be lost. The dodgers should not be worried about losing the 3 old arms. They were sitting out for the taking and nobody but the Dodgers bit.
I’m not too worried. The stuff has been there and he was just getting hit last night. I trust in his talent, frankly. I think a healthy Billingsley is an above average MLB pitcher.
by Michael White on Apr 15, 2010 11:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You’re absolutely right, btw. Take off the Ortizes, and possibly Monk, and get one of Lindblom, Elbert, or Mcdonald to take the 3rd open spot (if Monk goes), because the other two should be filled by next week with Kuo and Belasario.
Of course not
that would be incredibly uncomfortable for Travis and might damage his pitching arm.
by Eric Stephen on Apr 15, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know what to think about all the waffling
How many times have the likes of Elbert, mcdonald, and lindbloom been switched back in forth from the pen to the rotation. Is this normal treatment of players on other teams?
by SeanMillerSavior on Apr 15, 2010 10:55 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
its sickening
even position players like dewitt getting thrown back and forth from the majors and minors…
it can make their performances suffer.. they want to figure out what their role is..
by matthewmafa on Apr 15, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t necessarily turn to McDonald or Elbert for help, but Lindblom, yeah definitely. Even Logan White admits that his future probably lies in the pen, so why not get it over with and bring him in. His stuff as a starter may be just slightly above average, but for a reliever he would have great stuff.
you woldnt turn to mcdonald for help in the bullpen
i dont think he has a future in the bigs Starting…. his stuff fades away in the 3rd inning…
but as a reliever this guy has some big time potential… his fastbal lgoes up to 96 97… last year in relief he struck out 9 per 9 innings and had a sub 3 era… bring him on for relief…
by matthewmafa on Apr 15, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
At this point in time, I wouldn’t bring McDonald up to work out of the pen, simply because he doing well starting in AAA, whereas Lindblom is struggling in the starting role. We may need McDonald or Elbert in a starting capacity before the season is out, so I would keep them there for now.
i dont think either works out as a starter in the mlb
elbert conttrol is just bad… bad…
and mcdonalds stuff fades away
by matthewmafa on Apr 15, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree
I don’t love J Mac’s upside at all as a Starter, but as a reliever he can certainly be effective. There’s no reason him and Elbert, Lindblom, or other younger relievers are not on the big league club right now.
Look, we can harp about the starters not pitching well, and I’m as frustrated with Bills last night / last year as anyone, but we don’t have better options. Those guys simply have to pitch better. The good news is they can, and I believe they will. As for Loney, you all know my thoughts on him, but once again, no other option until we pick someone else up. As Michael noted though, not only do we have better options in the pen down in the minors, these Ortiz yahoos “cannot” improve, ala Bills, Padilla, etc. They suck, and were out of baseball for a reason.
I get what you are saying, but Mcdonald might serve better as a BP anyway because his ceiling isn’t all that high anymore realistically, and I don’t think Elbert was ever really getting a shot at starting in this rotation, so why delay the inevitable? Though I’d still like Elbert to start.
Right now, I don’t think you take McDonald’s ceiling into consideration because if there is an injury to the starting staff, if McDonald has been brought up to work out of the pen then your options are limited, especially if you suffer a couple of injuries. I mean beyond McDonald and Elbert then you talking about dipping into Ely or Towers for starting help. On the flip side we have plenty of good arms to turn to for bullpen help like Lindblom, Link, Tschlichting, or Leach.
I think this is right. Obviously, the Dodgers do not need all 12 pitchers to perform at the top of their games all at the same time. But if the starters are going to slump — and they will slump, and they are allowed to slump, and slumps don’t say anything about them as pitchers — then the best players must be in the ’pen. If the starters are thriving, they can survive a shaky bullpen. Struggling starters plus shaky pen, though? That will lead to the frustrations we have been seeing.
I’m optimistic about the future, because, like others, I think Belisario and Kuo will replace the Ortizes and right the ship. I haven’t been follwoing the news as closely as I should be — what is/are the current expected date(s) of their return?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
Kuo could be with the team as soon as Tuesday in Cincy, and Belisario has to be up by next Sunday the 25th.
by Eric Stephen on Apr 15, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
wasnt in the game thread last night
so dont know if others were pissed that monasterious came in to face the 3-4-5 of the lineup last night…
but even before monk gave up the homer.. was anyone else questioning why he was brought in to face the 3-4-5??
I think they were at a point where Weaver was out, Troncoso was sort of out, in that they only went to him to get one out (they didn’t want to use him at all because he had worked in 5 of 6 games), that they basically had to see if Monasterios could handle pitching in a high leverage spot.
It was either Monk or one of the Ortizes, since the plan was for Sherrill and Broxton to pitch 8/9 (with a lead)
by Eric Stephen on Apr 15, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
In a simplistic way, i look at a team divided into 4 parts – offense, defense, starting pitching, and bullpen. For this team, the offense has been great. People can complain about situational hitting failures, etc, but theyve been putting up 5,6,7 runs per game. The middle of our lineup is great, the back end is patient, etc. Nothing wrong with the offense.
As for the defense, it has been fine save for two main culprits in Kemp and DeWitt. Kemp made huge strides last year, but something just seems amiss this year. Bad jumps, poor throws (even on plays where he had no chance- the ball isnt coming out of his well), poor communication. I will chalk this up as just a bad stretch and that he will turn it around. DeWitt, obviously, is learning a new position and I would expect him to improve over the year. This area should be fine over the course of the year.
Right now, we all know the starting pitching is a mess. Chad and Clayton cant throw strikes, Padilla remembered he is Vicente Padilla, and Haeger and Kuroda have only had one start each. The issue here is that there is no better solution elsewhere for the main problems (Chad and Clayton and going deeper into games), so we really have to work with what we have. It isnt like bringing up Elbert or JMac of Towers will solve the strike throwing issue and that they’ll go 7 deep each game. There really is nothing to do here other than hope for the best out of the young guys and that Kuroda will stay healthy and pitch like he did in the first game.
All of this brings me to my point. The job of a general manager is to put out the best major league team he can with what he has in the system. No, I dont mean this is advocating trading premium prospects for golorified loogy’s or 35 year old 3rd baseman, but his main job is to put the best 25 on the major league roster. In my mind, Ned has not done this with the bullpen. I understand the desire to leave JMac and Elbert and Lindblom in the minors to develop as starters and as replacements for injuries on the big club, but the truth is that there is a huge talent deficiency in our bullpen. This team has the potential to make the playoffs, and keeping your more talented players in the minors to develop in roles they may or may not be suited for is just wrong when they can improve the big club. I’m not saying JMac and Elbert are world beaters out of the pen (although JMac was damn impressive last year in that role), but when you are throwing out dos Ortizs and a 24 year old who has spent 3 weeks above A ball, there is room for definite improvement. The bullpen is overworked, overused, and just plain bad. Part of that reverts to the starters, but there isnt much that can be done there right now other than hope. The adjustments that must be made are available to Ned and he cannot wait any longer. The division race will be close, and giving away more games unnecessarily because Russ or Ramon Ortiz or Monk has to pitch meaningful innings is something the team cannot afford.
I agree for the most part
the problems we have is that the best solutions for our bullpen are also the best solutions for our rotation. We could put the best 25 men out there but if Haeger slides, or any injury beset the others we would not have many rotational options if they are all sitting in our bullpen.
Seems to me they have to look at Lindblom, Elbert, McDonald and decide that one of them needs to become a major league relief pitcher right now. Leave the other two at AAA as insurance. McDonald and Elbert have both proven they can handle major league hitters out of the bullpen. Lindblom hasn’t. Lindblom however seems to have least upside as a rotational pitcher.
We all hope that Kuo can pitch, just because he’s coming back Tuesday does not mean he will be pitching on Friday. The man is a complete question mark. Belisario is just as much a question mark. Relying on Kuo / Belisario as our saviors might prove fruitless in the end.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Apr 15, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
How do you solve a problem like the Dodgers?
Generally speaking, it is a GOOD idea to develop the guys who can be starting pitchers into starters. (I’m not opposed to letting them get their feet wet in the majors in the ‘pen, but develop them as starters.) If Lindblom, Elbert, and McDonald really can be starters down the road but not today, it’s a good long-term plan to let them develop in the minors.
However — and I know not everyone agrees with me on this next point — there does come a time when a team should stop thinkin’ about tomorrow and start living for today. Flags fly forever and the 2010 Dodgers could very well be a pennant winning team with some tweaks. Perhaps it is better to give up the long-term goal of one or more of those guys as a major league starter in favor of having him as an above-average reliever today.
This is all complicated by the team’s contract situation and the divorce. The team’s best hitter, Ramirez, will be gone in 2011, and if the divorce gets ugly (or uglier), he will not be replaced. Kuroda is also gone. Is 2010 the Dodgers’ last best shot for a couple of years? Does that change the opinion of what should be done with those guys?
Right now, my opinion is that Kuo and Belisario are both so close to being back on the team that the Dodgers should take their lumps for another week and wait and see what they can do. If both of them succeed in doing what they can do, great, and some of the problems sort themselves out. If they don’t, the Dodgers have to take a long, hard look at the standings, their playoff chances in 2010 and beyond, and the true likelihood of Lindblom/Elbert/McDonald making it to the majors as starters, and decide if they’re going to pull the trigger.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Apr 15, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't resist
How do you solve a problem like the Dodgers?
How do you fit another division crown?
Why do I tear my hair out for the Dodgers?
Just when I think
They’re gonna succeed
They’re down
Many Ortizes anchoring the bullpen
Many our starters cannot find the zone
But there’s no one to step in
And stop the losing spin.
We just have to watch another game get blown.
How do you solve a problem like the Dodgers?
How do you find another way to groan?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Apr 15, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Honestly, i think its come to the point where you just need to get rid of the crap in the bullpen completely. Even past the Linblom, JMac, Elbert trio, there are other capable arms in the minors. It just blows my mind that guys like Russ and Ramon Ortiz can get chance after chance after just being terrible for the better part of a decade. How many chances do you need to prove your crappiness? The need to have guys that can start in the minors is important, but not the to detriment of the big league team.
by UCLADodger32 on Apr 15, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
“How many chances do you need to prove your crappiness?”
How many chances do you need to reconfirm your crappiness?
/fixed
by The Dude Abides on Apr 15, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Anq_iURPZQh0pnQKnpquN7YRvLYF?slug=jp-jackie041410
A pretty good article here from Yahoo about black players in baseball.
lindblom starting
2 innings 4 hits 2 runs 1 ER 1 walk and 2 Ks so far
Bullpen
Last year’s bullpen was lights out, but I think it’s unrealistic to believe that this year’s bullpen can be as good – even when everyone gets back. Our relievers logged a ton of innings last year, and all those innings will make everyone at least a little less effective this year.
The big issue isn’t the bullpen any way. It’s our starters who can’t go 6 innings. Call me old school, but when you only play once every 5 days, you ought to be able to pitch 6 innings. During the next 6th inning mound session, Joe needs to tell the pitcher that he better figure out a way to complete the inning because he’s not taking them out.
Haeger might end up being this staff’s saviour.
Broxton, Kuo, Belisario and Troncoso is a pretty awesome Front Four. Sherrill sucking so far and not having last year’s J-Mac hurts.
by silverwidow on Apr 15, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
The bullpen is the problem because it can be fixed. Chad and Clayton, the two biggest culprits on the staff so far, aren’t going anywhere. They just have to pitch better. The bullpen can be fixed to an extent, even without Kuo and Beli coming back. But 2 guys from the minors in the bullpen until Kuo and Beli get back and then go on from there.
by UCLADodger32 on Apr 15, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Shouldn’t Belasario just step right in when ready?
Its not like he’s coming off injury.
Weaver, Ortiz,Ortiz is like having three long relievers, and not especially good at that.
Monk should be buried in the pen with one long reliever.
I’m thinking we’ll feel alot better once Kuo(hopefully) and Belly-O are around and (if)the Ortiz brothers go away.
Plus side
We had 1,933 total comments in the game threads last night, plus over 100 more after a game that ended at midnight.
Down side: I didn’t get to sleep until 2am, and I’m tired as shit right now.
Is that a non-playoff game record?
And pshhh, I go to bed at 2 or 3 AM every night and I’m up at 8 AM every day, shouldn’t everyone be able to, hahah. Shoot, I can only do that after years and years of staying up very late.
Welcome to my life as a Dodger fan on the east coast.
by CarolinaDodger on Apr 15, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodger OBPs
Regular lineup
.390
.366
.435
.419
.275
.407
.429
.571
Current bench
.538
.400
.357
.333
.263
That DeWitt OBP
sure looks better then his wOBA
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Apr 15, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
You couldn't be a more emptier hitter
then DeWitt after the first week. At this point he’s Jamey Carroll without the defense or Luis Castillo without the speed.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Apr 15, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much
He doesn’t even have an extra base hit to bring up that slugging percentage. Hopefully he can start soon.
Huh? Carroll or Castillo wouldn’t have a .429 OBP though? Obviously would like to see some power but I think that OBP is useful enough to pull them out of the Carroll/Castillo class of hitter.
by CarolinaDodger on Apr 15, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
And expecting DeWitt to carry a plus 400 OBP
is as unrealistic as me expecting to not start hitting some XBH.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Loney has got to get it going. He is slotted in too valuable of a slot in the order to continue to be unproductive. Like for him to get hot. He doesn’t hit Haren well, so I guess we’ll have to wait for the weekend.
by keithc13 on Apr 15, 2010 1:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
it is absolutely horrible.
Gives the officials too much to assess while trying to be impartial. How can you ask kids to play full speed and give maximum effort and just turn that emotion off when it reaches a climax? Seems like they are trying to control too much. IMO.
by keithc13 on Apr 15, 2010 1:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I definitely expect it to affect SC more than UCLA : )
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Liriano looked good today
7 IP, 0 ER, 8 Ks. Got him on all my fantasy teams :)
Speaking of fantasy teams
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/4/15/1424051/tbla-roto-league-update
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I can’t view your standings via the link in that post. Says it is a private league.
by CarolinaDodger on Apr 15, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions

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