Dodgers No Match For Lincecum: 9-0 Giants
by Eric Stephen on Apr 17, 2010 4:16 PM PDT
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PrintWildness on the mound by Charlie Haeger and wildness in the field by an increasingly shaky Dodger defense made for an ugly game as the Dodgers were dominated by Tim Lincecum and the Giants, 9-0 in the second game of the series in front of an announced crowd of 44,734 at Dodger Stadium.
Last Sunday showed us the beautiful side of the knuckleball, but today we saw the flip side of that, as Haeger simply had no command. He gave up seven hits, had five walks, and hit a batter in just three innings, a far cry from his 12-strikeout season debut six days ago. He was not helped by the defense at all, as three of four reserves in today's lineup either made an error (Jamey Carroll, A.J. Ellis), or a play that should have been scored an error (Ronnie Belliard). Haeger threw 97 pitches in his three innings of work, though he pitched to two batters in the fourth inning.
Joe Torre said Haeger gets "a hall pass" for today's performance, because he pitched in relief earlier in the week and warmed up on another occasion. Haeger, however, wasn't as lenient, calling his performance "pathetic," but said all he could do was forget about today's outing and work on getting prepared for his next start, presumably Friday in Washington DC.
Even with the smallest of breaks, Lincecum is tough to beat, but with today's cushion a win seemed impossible. Lincecum drove in the first Giants' run with a push bunt single in the second inning, but he wasn't done. On the day, Lincecum had three hits and three RBI, just the third pitcher ever to do so against the Los Angeles Dodgers:
| Pitchers With 3 Hits & 3 RBI vs LA Dodgers | |||||
| Pitcher | Team | Date | Hits | RBI | Result |
| Don Newcombe | Cin | 6/21/59 | 4 | 4 | Reds, 17-3 |
| Dennis Bennett | Phi | 9/28/63 | 3 | 3 | Phillies, 12-3 |
| Tim Lincecum | SF | today | 3 | 3 | Giants, 9-0 |
| Thanks to Baseball-Reference.com | |||||
Reason #6478 why I love writing this blog: I asked Torre if he remembered Dennis Bennett, the last pitcher to collect three hits and three runs batted in against the Dodgers. Torre not only remembered him, but said Bennett was his brother Frank's roommate (Frank Torre and Bennett were teammates with the 1962-1963 Phillies). Baseball is a small world, isn't it?
Lincecum allowed only one more hit than he had himself in his six innings of work, while striking out seven. His ERA through three starts is 0.90.
Down 9-0 in the ninth inning, A.J. Ellis hit a ground-rule double for the first extra-base hit of his career.
The Dodgers go for the series win tomorrow, with Clayton Kershaw facing Barry Zito. A decision will be made tomorrow regarding whether or not Manny Ramirez will play the series finale, depending on how his calf feels.
WP - Tim Lincecum (3-0): 6 IP, 4 hits, 2 walks, 7 strikeouts
LP - Charlie Haeger (0-1): 3 IP, 7 hits, 7 runs (5 earned), 5 walks, 3 strikeouts
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It all makes sense now
I agree, Dodgers had no chance (and by no I mean 20%) of winning this game with the lineup
It sucks to lose, but at least we didn't blow a win
Being on the receiving end of a blowout sucks but at least you know you should lose. I can live better with these. Its the games we should have won but for bad plays or poor managerial decisions, we end up losing that kill me. Ah well, we knew it was long odds to beat Lincecum with our 5th starter. Time to back Kershaw with some offense and take it to Zito tomorrow.
Heager. The only person in the rotation who didn’t have a bad start yet is Kuroda.
Why the heck would Heager be the only one singled out?
Whoa!
Can you say small sample size? This isn’t like McDonald who had a handful of starts and never lasted more than like 2 innings. Haeger’s been up now down. If he has two more awful starts THEN I would see about replacing him with McD or Elbert.
by Seanny Rotten on Apr 17, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, when Haeger isn’t right the game turns into a total clusterfuck. I don’t know how much longer Torre will tolerate this.
He was fine with it after the game today. Just one game, had to work out of the pen this week, got a “hall pass”
by Eric Stephen on Apr 17, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Haeger's knuckler outta control + Worst Post-Offerman Era Defense + Lincecum pitching =
total clusterfuck.
I get that. I don’t think you can put all of this on Haeger. I mean, if Haeger had thrown against Wellemeyer it wouldn’t have been such a big deal! For starters, Wellemeyer wouldn’t have driven in 3 runs … hahaha
by Seanny Rotten on Apr 17, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
We couldn't win with the B team...
So…
Monk, The Ortizes and the defense suck…
Good point: Ellis, Sherill and Caroll
Je t'aime Louise Bourgoin... I Love you Louise Bourgoin... <3
The umps said DeWitt didn’t touch 2B.
Torre asked them to take a look at the video, because he did.
by Eric Stephen on Apr 17, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not right is it?
Why would he not touch it? I saw the replay one or two times and didn’t look closely at it, but assumed he’d touch it. He had all day to do so.
vr, Xei
it’s that they thought he missed it. Just a blown call
by Eric Stephen on Apr 17, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we replace Monk and the Ortizzzzz by Ely, J-Mac ans Elbert??
Je t'aime Louise Bourgoin... I Love you Louise Bourgoin... <3
by Jojo93160 on Apr 17, 2010 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This is the best idea on this page.
I mean, what is gained from keeping JMac and Elbert down in AAA right now?
by Seanny Rotten on Apr 17, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
um no
maybe belisario kuo and j mac… but not ely
Added a couple of notes above
including my absolute favorite trivial moment derived from covering the Dodgers.
That
was totally cool. Thank goodness some “Geeky Interwebs” writer was there, we may not never have heard it.
No, I take that back, if Ross Porter were still calling games there’s a good chance he would have uncovered that stat.
by Seanny Rotten on Apr 17, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Ross Porter
would you consider him a sabermatrician? I just thought he bombarded you with stats, useful and obscure without really paying attention to it’s usefulness in assessing baseball prowess.
by Seanny Rotten on Apr 17, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The best part about the postgame interview with Torre
is that first off, they revamped Torre’s office this year, so it’s like 3 times bigger, and not as cramped as last year (it was brutal). But if you have something obscure to ask, you can just wait as more and more reporters leave to go into the clubhouse to see the players.
The Dennis Bennett question was the final one asked, and it was just me, Torre, and a Dodger PR man left in the office. I love baseball for little things like that that are so damn cool.
by Eric Stephen on Apr 17, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Your anecdote of his anecdote is the highlight of the game for me.
Just think, he probably went home, called his brother Frank, and told him that some reporter asked him about his old roommate Dennis.
btw, I went to an Earth Day event sponsored by my credit union and Orel Hershiser was there signing autographs! He has a 25% share in a loan/mortgage company and was promoting it. One of the nicest former players I’ve met.
Orel
That jives well with my experience serving him at the In N Out drive thru 17 years ago! :)
by Eric Stephen on Apr 17, 2010 6:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I could be wrong but,
didn’t Frank Torre die right before the Yankees were in the World Series one of the Torre years?
OUCH
Well.
I stand before you with egg on my face. I lobbied long and hard last offseason for the Dodgers to sign BWebb if he opted out of the last year of his deal. Disregard.
Has anyone ever come off the 60 Day DL that season and set the league on fire? Or even been league average?
by Seanny Rotten on Apr 17, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm ....
well he’s a Taiwanese Terminator robot … who just needed a tuneup.
by Seanny Rotten on Apr 17, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Per Hank Schulman:
Rowand to DL, likely out 3 weeks.
Kelly Downs recalled
Mark DeRosa OK, but likely out tomorrow.
Also from Torre
but not in the recap…
He said the defense was a bit bothersome, but he wasn’t worried about it. Specifically mentioned Carroll’s play, and said it had nothing to do with him being at SS, that the error wasn’t one of range.
The mood in the clubhouse seemed to be to just erase this game from memory ASAP and go get ’em tomorrow.
The Dodgers go for the series win tomorrow, with Clayton Kershaw facing Barry Zito.
In other words, we’re having a bullpen game!
Be positive
this could be Kershaw’s first CG/ SHO!!!
by Seanny Rotten on Apr 17, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
bullpen game.. i dont know about that
zito has actualy been pretty good…
and kershaw is pitching at home to the giants who swing at everything…
Actually CK cannot go deep in the game...
But I hope he can throw a masterpiece game like on April 16th, 2009 when he struck out 13 Giant…
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Mets and Cards still going...
No Score in the 15th inning.
Teams are a combined 0 for 16 with RISP.
Jerry Sands
3 AB’s tonight (so far). 2 doubles and a triple. BA is at .432 and he isn’t striking out too much.
lucas may
promoted to AAA finally and already has a passed ball lol
ground out to second base
ubaldo has thrown a no hitter
You know, I'm more impressed
That the very solid offenses of New York and St. Louis have been held scoreless for seventeen innings. Sure, Santana was pitching for the Mets but that means the bullpens have respectively gone ten scoreless. I wish our bullpen could go three…
mets vs cards scoreless through 17 innings
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I may be jaded
but a no-hitter with 6 walks is just a little….tainted to me.
If you watched the game you would have been impressed.
He was wild but unhittable. Then in the 6th he discarded the windup and went to the stretch. From that point on it forget about it. I think he had one two ball account after that.
My TBLA roto team had Jimenez, Nolasco, and Corriea going tonight. None of them gave up a run. I should be in 1st place by tomorrow morning.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The Rockies have founded a great ace by the Name of Ubaldo Jimenez...
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has anyone been to the Mets blog??
they have over 3000 comments on a single thread!!!!
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
1-0 mets
on a sac fly with the bases loaded
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I can only imagine
what some people here would be saying if Joe Torre had his hitter bunt over one of the fastest men in baseball (Jose Reyes) with the BACKUP LEFT FIELDER pitching in a tie, extra inning game. But hey, it worked…so far.
Crazy game
How can no one score in 40 at bats against the bullpens?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
How crazy that Yadier is still catching?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Forget the bullpens
Lopez had a scoreless inning and Mather gave up just 1. How did the mets not rake against those guys?
that insane sacrifice bunt
did not help. And I can’t WAIT to see what Amazin’ Avenue has to say about the decision to pitch to Met-enemy Molina. (I almost said arch-enemy, no pun intended, then stopped myself)
Diamondbacks still in shell shock from Thursday Night
Padres shutting em out.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Benson actually pitching good for his first game back
I’m shocked Ned didn’t bring him into camp.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If Wright threw 92, then he's basically Bryce Harper.
But this one might go 21…wow… poor Ubaldo. He might get over-shadowed by one of the best games in the history of MLB on the day of his best career (and probably best going forward) game.
Not sure who mismanaged Cards-Mets more
LaRussa or Manuel.
OK, it’s LaRussa. But I can’t believe that Manuel kept K-Rod out of the game for 18 innings. It pleases me that that move blew up in his face.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
well, given that K-Rod blew the save
maybe leaving him out for so long was the right thing to do
by sarcastro9 on Apr 17, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
FAR more insane
was that sacrifice bunt with JOSE REYES on first, and a position player pitching. Even Tim McCarver was speechless.
That's true.
Man, that’s a badly managed game.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Apr 17, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Met's won hard to see this blowing up in Manuel's face
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Saving K-Rod certainly blew up in his face.
He played the by-the-book “save your closer for a save situation on the road” card.
He played that card for 19 freakin’ innings. (OK, well, 10 innings of extras for our puporses.) If the Mets had lost before K-Rod could make it in, that would have been dumb.
So he plays it by the book, K-Rod comes in, and he blows the save.
Maybe “blows up in his face” isn’t the right phrase. Maybe file it under “best laid plans of mice and men.” Point is, it didn’t work, and that pleases me.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Apr 17, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the bigger point is he won
usually blow up in the face actions are not victorious in the end. The guys he used instead of FRod held the Cardinals scoreless. Now if they had given up the winning run instead of using FROd I could understand your logic, but it didn’t happen.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
From reading the game thread on BTF, K-Rod apprently warmed up multiple times during the extra innings.
One can imagine why K-Rod blew the save. Certainly being formed to warm up multiple times is unideal.
Shouldn't he be warming in case the team scores so he can save the game?
Any 20 inning game is going to be a manager mess.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I know that "deserve's got nothing to do with it"
but neither team deserved to win that one.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Apr 17, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
With Blake and Matt's splits v. lefties
As far as i’m aware, I see no reason to take them out. Loney will be gone, so will manny (probably) and my guess is Endre too.
Doesn't Johnson kill lefties though? Or am I confused?
And a middle-of-the-order of Kemp, Johnson (against lefties), Casey Blake and garret Anderson should suffice to keep Zito at the very least working. I just think if there is any day to rest Ethier, a home game against a lefty with a replacement that destroys lefties is the best option.
Anderson is a lefty.
You’re not going to sit Manny to let Johnson to play, and there’s no point of letting Anderson play against a lefty.
But Anderson's career splits suggest he hits righties the same as he hits lefties.
So statistically, that isn’t a factor. If Manny’s injury is lingering, I see no point in forcing him to come back tomorrow when Anderson can do sufficient in his place, regardless of the fact he’s just as old and decaying from his once excellent stats.
I'd expect
Belliard to play 1st
Carroll to play 2nd
Johnson to play LF
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If Manny is healthy, he will play.
Belliard is for sure starting at 1B. That’s all we know.
by Eric Stephen on Apr 17, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Finally got back
I knew the Dodgers didn’t stand much of a chance against Lincecum today, especially after he drove in 3 of those 9 runs. Looking at the other pitchers who’ve done that against the Dodgers throughout their history and how they’ve all led to similar blowout losses, I can live with that. Btw, don’t write Haeger off folks. This is just one bad outing in which the knuckleball wasn’t there for him. Expect him to bounce back next time out.
;-)
Trayvon Robinson
with his 2nd three run home run in as many days. The Jacksonville outfield is heating up, only Trayvon under .300 (.294) now.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
You bet the Jacksonville OF is heating up — they have a BEAST named Mike Stanton. :)
by silverwidow on Apr 17, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha, good looking out there
Though I must admit I miss that club quite a bit these days. Many of the current young Dodger players wound up making their way through there. Oh, sweet memories…
:-)
Too Many K's though...10
And only 1 walk. Need to see some improvement there.
Robinson's got the entire AA season to work on it
No need to rush him. At his current age, he’s right where he should be for the moment. Does appear to be the type that wants to improve based on last season’s High-A performance so that’s an encouraging sign.
From (AP) via Yahoo
Lincecum scattered four hits over six innings and set career highs with three hits and three RBIs, leading the San Francisco Giants to a 9-0 victory over the sloppy Dodgers on Saturday.
I didn't know their numbers were that bad
Russell Martin(notes) (0 for 13 against Lincecum), third baseman Casey Blake(notes) (0 for 9)
Also.... don't know if anyone has posted this. Same article.
The one constant in the longtime rivalry between the Dodgers and Giants has been Vin Scully, who on Sunday will mark the 60th anniversary of his first day in the Dodgers’ broadcast booth with Red Barber and Connie Desmond. "I feel only overwhelming gratitude," Scully told the Associated Press. "You feel blessed that you’ve lived that long, that you’ve been allowed to do what you love to do for that long, and that my health has held up all those years. It’s humbling to think that you’ve been that fortunate and that God has blessed you with that time. That first team, the so-called ‘Boys of Summer,’ that was my graduating class. I mean, look at the team then. I had Don Newcombe, Gil Hodges, Jackie Robinson, Pee Wee Reese, Billy Cox, Roy Campanella, Duke Snider, Carl Furillo and Carl Erskine. That was such an amazing collection of players, so I guess that was the team that made the most impression on me."
Mel Ott
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Apr 17, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont think manny should play tomorrow
rest up be fully healthy…
reed johnson would be a better fit for tomorrow… better D for the flyball pitcher kershaw… plus he hits lefties really well… manny level… so its not as much of a downgrade in offense as you might as think… let manny be a super pinch hitter if we need him near the end of the game
Can't write Haeger out yet.
Although yesterday there was no knuckle to Haeger’s knuckleball, last Sunday’s game is too memorable to pass on Haeger just yet.
However, if Joe does, he should definitely give the fifth spot to Ramon Ortiz, at least for two games, and see how that goes. Ortiz is a lifetime starter, and though he’s had some tough saves showings, he’s a starter by trade.
Regardless, with a $94 million team salary, $120 Million less than the yanks and $47 Million less than the Phils, this team should have went balls to the wall for an Ace like Halladay – then we wouldn’t be having this discussion and we would be worried about getting World Series tickets in July.
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