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Cincinnati Reds Preview - A team in disarray

After losing five games in a row, punctuated by being swept by the Pittsburgh Pirates. The Reds started the road trip with two extra inning wins against the Marlins but then lost five in a row. Only one game was a blow out, as each of the other four losses were by two runs or less, so this team is not doing as bad as the record indicates (5 - 8) and Pythagorean (5-8) suggest.

The offense is only scoring 4.08 runs a game putting them 14th in the league.  Several of their hitters are hitting into bad luck with BABIP's less < 25%.  The pitching is allowing 5.31 runs a game but just like the Dodgers that includes several blow outs. The Reds have a solid infield, a weak outfield, decent bullpen, some decent starting pitching but little depth. They are probably relying too much on an older left side of the infield, and a decaying Ramon Hernandez.  The outfield which looked so promising a few years ago is in disarray. Jay Bruce arrived with much fanfare and many LA media outlets complained the Dodgers never produced players like Bruce. Move forward a few years, Bruce has never gotten it going while Matt Kemp is the talk of baseball.

Help for the rotation could be on its way with Aroldis Chapman who is in the minors for some reason. The Reds signed the Cuba stud to a six year, 30.25MM deal this past winter. Latest scouting report on Chapman courtesy of Baseball America:

The Scoop: We knew he could throw hard. We knew he had as much upside as any left-handed pitching prospect in the game. We knew he was a potential No. 1 starter in the future. What we didn't know was how good Chapman was right now, as he showed in his first minor league start by dominating Triple-A Toledo. Chapman hit triple digits with his fastball, but Reds' brass has to be just as impressed that he only walked one batter. He'll still have to refine his command, but it shouldn't be long before Chapman takes his prodigious arm to Cincinnati.

Changes:

Notable Losses: They had no notable losses unless you consider losing Willy Taveras notable.

Notable Additions: Aaroldis Chapman, Orlando Cabrera, Jonny Gomes

Old Friends: Zero

Position Breakdown

1st Base- Joey Votto is not off to a sizzling start as my roto teams can attest but he is a big time talent. When healthy in mind and body Votto is just a tad behind Prince Fielder when it comes to 1st base production. I think part of the unhappiness with James Loney is that he's not Joey Votto. They were both drafted in 2002. The Dodgers got Loney with the 19th pick of the 1st round; the Reds nabbed Votto with the 2nd pick in the second round. Votto has outperformed Loney by leaps and bounds over the last two years but it is too early to say this dog hunt is over. At the moment Votto is an extra base hit machine as Brandon Washburn who sponsors his page at baseball - reference points out:

2009 Final NL Rankings: BA .322 (5th) OBP .414 (4th) SLG .567 (5th) OPS .981 (3rd) His at-bats/home run and at-bats/double ratios rate him as one of Major League Baseball's elite hitters. Better things to come in 2010!

2nd Base- Brandon Philips struggles in 2010 are another reason why the Red offense is having trouble scoring runs. Never a good OB player, Philips puts together a decent combination of extra base hits, speed, and defense to make him a better then average 2nd baseman. Right now his .224 BA is being affected by his .26% hit rate. 

SS - Orlando Cabrera came over as a FA after spending 2009 playing for the Twins. This old SS is consistent putting up an xBA of .259 - .268 over the last five years. Not a particularly effective offensive player his defense according to UZR also took a large dip in 2009 (-15).  

3rd Base -At one time Scott Rolen was one of the best 3rd baseman in the NL. His offensive and defense combined to make him a potent force when he was healthy. His age and shoulder woes have sapped him from the power he once had but even now when he's playing he's a good 3rd baseman. His defense is still a plus (5.8) and his offense should still tick in above a .800 OPS.

C - Four years ago Ramon Hernandez was a decent offensive catcher posting four straight OPS+ years above 100. That was four years ago and time has caught up to the 34 year old catcher.

CF - Drew Stubbs is trying to keep the job he won this spring. The former number one pick (8th overall) has several outstanding skills in speed and defense. Lacking however seems to be the ability to hit. Kind of important for a center fielder. So far this year he has struck out 41% of the time and his future as the starting CF seems tenuous. He has a sore back which might help explain his 2 for 24 in his last six games. Dickerson might see some time in CF against us. Dickerson has decent OB skills, excellent speed, and little power. He can do the job but he's really a fourth outfielder. Similar to Xavier Paul except he can play a good CF.

RF - Jay Bruce is the king of the poster children of Delmon Young, Andy Marte, and Alex Gordon. Top top tier prospects that have not gotten it done at the major league level. Bruce was expected to be the best of the best prospects but those expectations have not been met. He has plenty of time to turn it around, and probably will still meet those expectations but not as soon as they expected him to. He's having a dismal April as he carries.598 OPS into our series. Bad luck has plagued him, with a .19% hit rate, so things have to turn around for him. When he gets going he should give the Reds a solid above average right fielder for years to come.

LF - Gomes seems to have taken over the starting gig, even against RHP. Gomes has plenty of power, strikes out a lot, walks around 8% of the time, and is a terrible outfielder. If he's starting against RHP he's a huge weak link.

This might be a weaker outfield then the Giants. Only the potential of Bruce keeps them interesting.

Bench -Lance Nix (OF), Paul Janish (MI), Juan Francisco (3rd/OF), Miguel Cairo (Infield), and Ryan Hanigan make up the bench. Juan Francisco has some talent.

On the DL:Edinson Volquez

Starting Pitching for our Series:

Game One -Homer Bailey - 7th pick in the 2004 draft Homer has never quite lived up to the lofty expectations. His control is awful, his dominance only adequate, and he lives up to his name. He had a nice nine game stretch to end the year last year which gave Red fans hope he had turned the corner. So far in 2010 that would not seem to be the case as he carries a FIP of 6.32 into Tuesday's game. Fastball (92.7), slider (85.5), and CB are the main part of his arsenal. He has a changeup but rarely uses it.

Game Two -.Aaron Harang  was widely discussed as a possible landing spot for the Dodger rotation. We might be lucky that didn't happen. He has a 7.82 ERA, a 6.59 FIP, but only a 4.32 xFIP, suggesting he's had some bad luck in the home run department. That probably won't improve after our outfield gets done with him. Fastball (91), Slider (82.8) is what he goes to war with. He also has a CB and Change up and uses both of the about the same 6%.

Game Three - Mike Leake jumped from college to the starting rotation and has a done a job in two starts in keeping base-runners from scoring.  He's gotten into the sixth inning in both his starts. We will kill him. That sterling 2.63 ERA will look very much like his xFIP (5.69) after Thursday Night. He does not belong in a major league rotation yet. At least not one facing the Dodger outfield.  On the plus side Leake does have three hits in his first five major league at bats. Also it is cool he jumped right from ASU to the Red Rotation. 

Bullpen:Francisco Cordero is still the closer and still doing the job. Hitting stud Micah Owings is doing the best work. The ex-starter seems to be thriving in the bullpen, to bad this reduces the times he will hit. Others we will see are Nick Massett, Daniel Herrera, Arthur Rhodes (yes he is still pitching),  and Mike Lincoln. Anyone else and that means the game is out of hand. Rhodes and Herrera will be thrown at Andre as they try to cool his late inning heroics.

I expect a sweep as our offense will overwhelm their pitching. Those close games they have been losing to the Pirates are about to turn into more then one run deficits. Unless our bullpen lets them back into the game.

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pitch swinging Juan Francisco is a hitting machine without a position to play on this team.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Apr 19, 2010 1:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Second

year in a row a QB will be taken #1 overall.

by silverwidow on Apr 19, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Third

pitcher of the series will get hammered.

We will kill him.

Best sentence of the season so far.

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

4th

1st sweep of the year will coming…

Je t'aime Louise Bourgoin... I Love you Louise Bourgoin... <3

by Jojo93160 on Apr 19, 2010 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Fifth

of gin if the Dodgers let the Reds take two or more games.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 19, 2010 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Sixth

Bison Bomb™ of the season for coming to a Cincinnati near you.

by K3vo on Apr 19, 2010 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Seventh

circle of Hell involves proposing trade rumors that have no chance of happening

by Eric Stephen on Apr 19, 2010 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Who says we won’t get Pujols for Loney, and a slew of minor leaguers :)

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

They just might do it!

(that is one of my favorite running jokes of the year)

by Eric Stephen on Apr 19, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you are overvaluing Pujols ;)

by K3vo on Apr 19, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

Very awesome and thorough confirmation! Reading FTW!

by Eric Stephen on Apr 19, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is why we welome you

that and the fact ‘spawn of Kavula" is the best name for a child I’ve come across. If you refresh you will be green.

by meercatjohn on Apr 19, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks all!

And let me just add: I loved this preview. I don’t know much about the Reds, except what I can tell from their record. This was helpful and a good read.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 19, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eight

homerun hit by Kemp will take place on Wednesday

by Julio Nievas on Apr 19, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

No fail here

Kemp’s gonna blast the Reds :D

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

he should be licking his lips over that pitching and the tiny little ballpark they have.

by K3vo on Apr 19, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Kemp will hit 3 homeruns in the series, but I certainly wouldn’t put it against him. If I had to bet, I would say he hits 2 HR in the series.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, by "failing"

You broke the string and finally allowed the conversation to continue.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 19, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you just need a hit:

Everyone can admire Dunn’s power, who would you rather have up against an elite pitcher, the man with holes in his swing so huge that if Panda was a baseball he’d still find his way in to the catchers mitt, or the man who sent Dempster back to Dixieland?

The Answer:
-14.9
-18.8
-28
-36.3

The Question?

by meercatjohn on Apr 19, 2010 2:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Interesting in 2010

Dunn has a walk rate over 20% and a K Rate below 30%.

In his career he’s never had a K Rate below 30% or a walk rate above 20%(who has?)

by meercatjohn on Apr 19, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The man with a hole in his swing. He’s still posted an OPS over .900 last season.

I’m guessing the question is K/rate.

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, then maybe its UZR?

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

Nice trend toward -50

by meercatjohn on Apr 19, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, the Dodgers wouldn't ask him to play the outfield

at first base 2009:

Fielding Percentage
Loney: .995
Dunn: .986

Range Factor per Game:
Loney: 8.7
Dunn: 8.5

Range Factor per 9
Loney: 9.1
Dunn: 9.5

Is Loney’s first base defense that much better to make up for their 200+ point difference in OPS last season? I would doubt it. Again, its first base. I absolutely do not put much emphasis on defensive ability at first base.

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am with you on this

I would have loved a signing of Dunn and Manny in the same offseason.

by robotmadeofnails on Apr 19, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

At 1B

UZR (career):
Loney: -5.7
Dunn: -21.2

UZR/150 (career):
Loney: -2.4
Dunn: -17.9

DRS [total Defensive Runs Saved] (career):
Loney: +11 in 3808 innings
Dunn: -26 in 1521 innings

Very, very roughly, Dunn might cost you 28 runs per season on defense compared to Loney, but the difference between a .750 and a .950 OPS might be, I dunno, 40 runs/season?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed!

Loney’s OPS last year was .756 and Dunn’s was .927, so the theoretical .750/.950 split might be slightly wide.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

loney vs dunn

loney is the first 2 dunn is the next 2…

by matthewmafa on Apr 19, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

DEFENSE

the defense of adam dunn

by matthewmafa on Apr 19, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

UZR

my most hated thinng…. uzr is bs

by matthewmafa on Apr 19, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you remind me again what you have against UZR, aside from simply not liking it? I honestly don’t remember.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 19, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

No defensive numbers are exact. But whatever we have is a hell of a lot better than fielding percentage or using our own eyes to compare players.

by UCLADodger32 on Apr 19, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have to prove that point. I don’t hate UZR at all, but just because somebody smart created it does not mean it is automatically superior to using your own eyes (scouting.) What does UZR do exactly that leads you to believe it is better than old-fashioned scouting?

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you can put scouting or eye balled defensive metrics into numbers that are more accurate than UZR then show me. UZR is by no means the “final say” in defensive metrics, but it is obviously a much value added stat “if used correctly”. And it may from time to time have problems with certain type of players Show me a system that publishes numbers that is quantitatively better.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Apr 19, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that seems like a backwards standard. I ask somebody to defend UZR and the response is, go find something better.

I’m not sure there is a quantitative answer. I understand that we want to be able to evaluate all baseball players in that way, but I don’t see it for fielding (as opposed to hitting and pitching.) In football, I’ve argued that you simply can’t quantitatively compare quarterbacks (at least not accurately.) There is far too many variables. Play calling, weather, offensive line quality, receiver quality, audibles that the receiver doesn’t pick up, officiating, etc. For an intelligent opinion, you basically have to scout these players. I feel that may be the same case with defense in baseball.

If I’m wrong, explain to me what UZR can do better than a scout. Or we can just keep shifting the burden of proof between us and call it a day.

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't answer that

and probably niether can anyone else, because we don’t have any quantitative numbers to work off of from the scouting side. How can I tell you what it is that UZR can do better, when the other side hasn’t been defined as anything other than a black box up to this point.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Apr 19, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

UZR is a compilation of data based on observations on every player every day. Scouts, by definition, see a small sample size. They can tell you something like, “Kemp gets poor jumps and sometimes takes poor routes, but has plus-plus speed.” So is he a better than average fielder or not?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do UZR and traditional scouting have to be mutually exclusive? UZR tells us what happens in the field defensively, a scout would tell us why. The problem would come up when a scout tells us a guy is a good defender when actual outcomes would paint a different picture. Or vice versa.

by prosellis on Apr 19, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The one position I don’t like UZR for is 1B. Fielding percentage along with UZR along with scooped balls would be the best way to judge that. Loney was top 5 (top 3 I think) in balls scooped last season, btw.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scooped Balls

Do you know where I could find that stat? I’ve never seen it anywhere. I’d really like to take a look at it.

by CTBMikeD on Apr 19, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/4/11/1416213/most-balls-scooped-at-first-base

I’m not sure where they got the stats, though. The guy who wrote is is essentially the one who made fun of me enough until I started actually looking at advanced stats, and he’s actually a really smart guy. It would be cool if there was a big site that had that info on scooped balls, though.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I would have expected higher numbers. Don’t quite know what his definition of scoop is. Loney does pass the eye test though. Compared to other first basemen I’ve seen. It would be nice if there was a hard stat for this. I think it can be underrated sometimes. It’s one of the reasons I like Loney at first.

by CTBMikeD on Apr 19, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly. There is a lot that goes into being a 1B, and this is a big one.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

fangraphs

fangraphs.com carrys the scoops (a counting stat) on their player pages. For example, you can find James Loney’s 101 career scoops (Scp) on his fangraphs stat page.

Seems like a rate stat would be nicer, but the best denominator would be some like “number of low throws” or something. If you assume infields make low throws at about the same rate overall compared to all their throws, you could divide by putout, I suppose.

Scp/PO, career:
Loney: 2.75%
Dunn: 2.21% (34 scoops)

But I imagine some infields make more low throws than others. Or there are other skews.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its better because we cannot possible watch every play that every player makes. I watch a lot of baseball, but I could not possibly give an accurate description of the defense that (just an example) Delmon Young plays in left field. Sure, I’ve seen him play some games, but all in just an extremely small sample. I have no clue on how he would compare to rest of the left fielders in a game, on whether he gets to ball in front of him, etc. You just cannot possibly judge a player correctly by watching him play on TV. Sure, its great when they single in on a player after a play to show the jump they got, the route they took, etc, but most of the time that isnt the case. Especially when doing so in such a small sample of a few games.

by UCLADodger32 on Apr 19, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Even then, when you do watch a player in a small sample, you can be fooled by their “bad” qualities. Sure, one guy may not get great jumps compared to another guy, but if he has the speed to make up for it and them some, the net result could be that he is the more effective fielder, even if he looks less than graceful doing so.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh right. Well I understand that we cannot watch every single game. Believe me, I understand the value of using statistics as an impartial way to evaluate players throughout the entire league (and minors.)

But for a statistic to be meaningful, it has to actually be right. As I said above, I’m not sure you can find a quantitative answer for something like defense. And if you can’t, UZR is less effective then relying on scouting reports.

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

True or False

UZR > using no defensive stats

by Xeifrank on Apr 19, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

And how about looking at UZR and, say, +/- based stats, like DSR that I used above in my Dunn/Loney comp comment.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know

That’s what I was asking.

If UZR> using scouting reports, then why?

If you can answer that then I’ll be happy. I’m not trying to bash UZR here, I genuinely don’t grasp fielding stats the way I get stuff like wOBA and xFIP. That stuff makes sense to me. UZR doesn’t.

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fielding stats are not nearly as refined as other stats. I have my own issues with UZR, but I think it can be a really valuable tool for evaluating a player’s overall value.

by prosellis on Apr 19, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

True or False

QB Rating > no quarterback stats

True or False

PER > no basketball stats

In other sports statistics aren’t nearly as mainstream as baseball and for good reason. In other sports you cannot isolate the contributions of one player like you can in baseball. But while I understand how one can isolate the stats for hitters and fielders, I don’t understand how that can be done for fielders.

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW, while I loathe QB rating, I do like PER (FWIW.)

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't follow hockey

that closely, so i wouldn’t know.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Apr 19, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

UZR Primer

UZR Primer Fangraphs

I think the implementation is easier to explain by having someone read the primer on it. As far as proving how good the results are. You need to have the scouting reports (w/e they are published, do they exist?) in a quantitative format.

by Xeifrank on Apr 19, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

And how do we know that scouting reports are right? For years it was accepted that Derek Jeter was a great defensive shortstop, and most scouts agreed. Every defensive evaluation program I’ve seen had him below average for a 5-6 year period before last year. Which way is better?

by UCLADodger32 on Apr 19, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you get a consensus

of defensive metrics saying the same thing, that seems like something you can almost take to the bank. You should read the Fielding Bible, to at least figure out where these defensive metrics are coming from. No one is expecting perfection but published scouting reports are meaningless because of sample size issues. Now if we got a scouting report from the club who watched their player all season long, I’d certainly take that opinion over a defensive metric. I think most of us can accurately judge the defense of the Dodgers given how many games we watch.

by meercatjohn on Apr 19, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you like fielding percentage better? Ok, so if a guy can field every ball that comes right to him, great, but if he’s got the range of Jeff Kent his defensive value is crap.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are baiting him with a red herring. He didn’t claim that he liked any particular stat.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was just assuming, which I guess is my bad. I’d like to know how he likes to judge players defensively, then.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

dont worry about ivdown

he just like to cause trouble with me..

by matthewmafa on Apr 19, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

No I’m defending UZR, don’t get your panties into a twist. Maybe you could actually give me an answer instead of acting like I’m trying to fight with you.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the uzr = bs

comment really lit the “flame”.

by Xeifrank on Apr 19, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

It seems like the typical “I don’t know much about it so I don’t like it” sentiment. I was honestly the same way when I first started hearing about WAR, FIP, UZR, etc…Since then, with the help of some friends who were really into advanced statistics, I’ve learned to appreciate those stats more and more and see that they can be a very good tool to help gauge a player’s value.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then help him understand why UZR is useful. If people just ridiculed you when you said you didn’t like FIP then where would you be.

I admit, I do not know much about UZR like I do with some of the other stats.

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a good point. But I feel I used a pretty good example as to why fielding percentage is not a good measure of a players fielding ability (assuming he liked that over UZR).

UZR is why players like Nyger Morgan and F-Gut (from the Ms) are so highly valued in the game right now. These guys cover more ground in CF than anyone else in baseball. Covering more ground obviously makes it so you would get to more balls put into play. And, obviously, when you make more outs on more balls put in play, it should bring up your value.

As I said earlier in here, i think the worst position to use UZR is 1B. Sure it’s nice to have range at 1B, but I think more important is the 1B ability to be able to scoop balls in the dirt or save high or bad throws. I have no idea if there’s any stats on the latter, but I saw a post on beyondtheboxscore.com about most scooped balls fielded at 1B the other day (and Loney was top 3), so there’s that.

Also, I was thinking about it 2 days ago, and by UZR’s standards Orlando Hudson is not a great fielder anymore. Or rather, he doesn’t have that much range. What I remember seeing all 2009 was Hudson ranging all the way out to shallow CF or shallow RF and stealing balls from Ethier and sometimes Kemp. This made me think of 2 things:

1. Ethier’s lousy UZR was partly due to Hudson vulture-ing a large number of balls from him.
2. My friend checked, and Hudson was 5th in baseball in OOZR (Out of Zone Rating), which is the amount of balls fielded outside of your zone (which is the UZR zone).

This means that while Ethier doesn’t have great range, last year was definitely not his true value for UZR, and I think it will go much higher (even if still negative) in 2010. It also means that while Hudson’s UZR was not good, he still got to a great amount of balls out of his zone and his defensive value isn’t as low as UZR would suggest.

Another thing UZR does not factor in, I believe, is a players arm.

So there definitely is reason to doubt UZR, but I do like the fact that it shows how often a player can field and get the out on a ball hit in their field of play. I’d also like to learn more about OOZR and see what players are at the top and what players are at the bottom of the leaderboards.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the book I wrote here. But I do think it’s a good piece of writing, lol.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Fangraphs section that has UZR has a column for arm for outfielders, just not for infielders.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Apr 19, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know that they do, I was just pointing out that it’s not incorporated into UZR (though it likely should not be). Like most stats, UZR should be something to go along with other stats to get a good idea of a players ability.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Btw

That’s 5th in baseball of all 2b for Hudson.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

This argument needs to be settled in the Thunderdome

by K3vo on Apr 19, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d say a good killer robot battle would do the trick, like the old show on Comedy Central.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh good call. All TBLA disputes should be settled in this manner.

by K3vo on Apr 19, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I call the one with the gigantic saw coming out of it’s chest.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most likely to get DFA'd out of this lot?

Cory Wade
Hu
Brent Leach

Let’s face it; none of them have futures in L.A. and roster space will be needed at some point this year, most likely.

by silverwidow on Apr 19, 2010 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Hu I guess.

Not sure why the club would need to DFA any of these guys though considering the 40 man roster isn’t even filled at this point. Wade is on the 60 day DL anyway. The only player not on the 40 man who figures to need a roster spot this year is Lindblom, and he could be added today without any corresponding DFA’s.

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wade is actually on the 15-day at this moment. I only mentioned him because I think he’s damaged goods.

Leach has been pretty good at times, but he’s almost into Stults territory age-wise.

Hu can’t seem to hit anymore.

by silverwidow on Apr 19, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can see the DFA making sense for Wade or Leach who may simply have no major league value, but wouldn’t Hu still have some trade value based on his defense? He may never be a big league hitter, but I would think some team might want a guy that could play a plus shortstop on their bench.

by prosellis on Apr 19, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad

Hu doesn’t play back in the 50’s. Guy would be a star.

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 19, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other 40 man moves. Adding Hoffmann, and perhaps calling up Towers in a pinch if one of the SP’s is injured or ineffective and the club is not ready to call up JMac/Elbert. In that case, the DFA could come for Haeger (assuming he’s the ineffective one.)

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ii bet Elbert is hurt

he could go on the DL any day. He cant be this bad if he’s healthy.

by meercatjohn on Apr 19, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Rolen likely to play in this series?

He seems to be ailing and hasn’t started in the Reds last three games.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Apr 19, 2010 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I think so
Rolen tested his back in the batting cages Sunday, but decided not to play. Before taking his cuts, he said, “I’m feeling better, I’m trying to figure out if I can play Major League Baseball. I can walk around like a normal human being. But that’s a little different than what I’m being called upon to do.” Paul Janish is playing third base once again Sunday.

by meercatjohn on Apr 19, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giving the drive down to Cincy

To see the game on Wednesday. I’ve been a pitiful fan this year to date, hopefully this wakes me up and gets me more involved with the Dodgers.

by Nathan S. on Apr 19, 2010 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/04/data-on-locking-up-young-pitchers.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
Older data may be missing, but the Diamondbacks appear to lead with six young pitcher deals (two for Brandon Webb). The A’s are next at five. As far as we can tell, the Braves, Dodgers, Mets, Nationals, and Orioles have zero.

Let’s change that!

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Too bad for me that FIP isn’t one of the TBLA Fantasy categories.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The announcers for the Nats game are praising Tracy right now

by robotmadeofnails on Apr 19, 2010 4:36 PM PDT reply actions  

wOBA

sounds like a dog toy

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 19, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other interesting info

David Eckstein has yet to strike out yet. Only player with over 35 to make that claim.

For all the love Cargo has been getting, he’s yet to take a walk yet. Hopefully that is his achilles heal.

David Wright has a 29% walk rate to lead the league. DeWitt stands in at 23.7%, good for fourth.

James Loney has the 2nd highest line drive rate at 34%
http://firstinning.com/stats/?type=batting&min=35&lg=NL&season=2010&t=exp&desc=ld_rate

Luckiest hitter is Martin Prado with a .500 BABIP

by meercatjohn on Apr 19, 2010 4:44 PM PDT reply actions  

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/4/12/1417653/how-many-of-rallys-top-50-war

Fun quiz on the top 50 players all-time in WAR value. I got 26/50, I just kept on blanking, and I missed some seriously obvious ones (others in the early part of the 1900s and pre 1900s most people really don’t know, I’d imagine).

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh, I didn’t realize there was a difference. Thanks for letting me know.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

No big deal

It’s just that the header to the comment serves as an internal link on the page only.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 19, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I’d ever clicked a link I’d done (I think I do links in the header quite often), but I figured it was a link just the same. Good to know.

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you had to choose

Would you rather have 5 wild ass power arms or 5 low K, hittable, control freaks in your rotation?

by silverwidow on Apr 19, 2010 4:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Depends on the defense behind them?

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 19, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you consider Greg Maddux to fit the latter definition?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. Maddux at his best wasn’t what I’d call “hittable.”

by silverwidow on Apr 19, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

PED Suspension

According to a number of Will Carroll tweets there is a suspension coming down soon …He doesn’t have a name or team yet but says he knows the appeals process took place in ST and it’s not a amphedimines+ related.

by arbfuldodger on Apr 19, 2010 5:05 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s too early for Manny to be testing positive again, that would happen in early May :P

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny tested positive last spring as well…the appeals extended it

by Eric Stephen on Apr 19, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Andruw Jones?

Jeff Franceour?
David Wright?
Russell Martin (30 lbs)?

Dare we dare to dream Ryan Howard:)

by meercatjohn on Apr 19, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If we are playing the hope game

I would like to nominate Troy Tulowitzki or Roy Halladay.

Actually, I love Halladay, so I don’t really want that to happen, but it would be crushing to the Phillies. Maybe Hamels instead. :)

by Eric Stephen on Apr 19, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec’d for the last sentence :)

by Ivdown on Apr 19, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blue Jays score on catchers interference

and in a dark vault hidden below the LA Library, Bob is laughing.

by Xeifrank on Apr 19, 2010 5:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Brandon Morrow is the interesting pitcher

and he strikes out the side in the fifth.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 19, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be cool

if the Phillies come out a head of the greatest franchise in history with this deal.

by meercatjohn on Apr 19, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loses the no-hitter

on a base hit to, of all people, Yuniesky Betancourt.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 19, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is absolutely the best

SS in Kansas City’s city limits. No debating that. :)

by keithc13 on Apr 19, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will take that bet. Someone out there has to be better.

I need Kansas City MaxPreps stats, stat!

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 19, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay that was a nice play.

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 19, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't waste

your time. There is a Jr in High School somewhere that must be better. I don’t know who it was on here the other day that was killing Betancourt. I thought it was funny. I didn’t remember it being H. Kavula, although it could’ve been.

by keithc13 on Apr 19, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Alives is probably better but he hasn’t been healthy for years.

by Tripon on Apr 19, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgerr Thoughts linked to

this story that contained this interesting anecdote that I had never heard before (and that I didn’t see mentioned at TBLA):

In 1977, Torre was named player/manager for the New York Mets – although the playing part only lasted three weeks or so.

His first order of business? Helping oversee the trade of Mets ace Tom Seaver.

Seaver was ultimately traded to the Cincinnati Reds, but it turns out he was very close to getting dealt to the Dodgers for, among other players, then Triple-A prospect Pedro Guerrero.

The deal would have made perfect sense for Seaver, who grew up in Fresno and starred at USC.

Alas, it fell through because to an injury to Guerrero.

“He was on crutches,” Torre remembers. “And at the time, there was some hesitancy on the Mets part to deal Tom without getting an immediate player.”

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 7:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Bummer

I would’ve killed to see Seaver in Dodger Blue! Oh well, Guerrero didn’t do too bad for himself for the Dodgers either so it’s all good.

by rosinbag42 on Apr 19, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you know

That the Dodgers drafted Tom Terrific in the 10th round of the 1965 amateur draft, but he (obviously) did not sign.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seaver was also nearly on the Atlanta Braves

And had a 1/3 chance of being a Phillie or Indian instead of a Met.

In 1966, he signed a contract with the Atlanta Braves, who had drafted him number one. However, the contract was voided by Baseball Commissioner William Eckert because [USC] had played two exhibition games (although Seaver hadn’t played). Seaver intended, then, to finish the college season, but because he had signed a pro contract, the NCAA ruled him ineligible. After Seaver’s father complained to Eckert about the unfairness of the situation, and threatened with a lawsuit, Eckert ruled that other teams could match the Braves’ offer. The Mets were subsequently awarded his signing rights in a lottery drawing among the three teams (the Philadelphia Phillies and Cleveland Indians being the two others) that were willing to match the Braves’ terms.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was it a 3-way or 4-way lottery?

a 1/3 chance of Phillies, Indians, or Mets implies that the Braves were out of the running, which seems… unfair to me.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 19, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure why the Braves got screwed by being left out of the three-way. (At least that’s how I read it.) Eckert was considered an awful commissioner for several reasons; maybe this was one of them.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wanted to go to a baseball powerhouse instead.

by KellyStephen on Apr 19, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was not as bad as watching him try to play 3B. Remember when we had a bunch of 1Bs playing the OF at the same time? Guerrero, Stubbs, Marshall. Ouch.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Conor Jackson

to the 15-day DL. He should be back before the Dodgers see AZ again on May 10.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 7:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I could look it up...

…but it’s easier to ask my bro: what’s the Dodger record in Great America Ballpark?

by KellyStephen on Apr 19, 2010 7:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Would you settle for an answer from your contemporary instead?

15 – 8. One three game series there every year except 2008 when five games were played there.

The 2006 Dodger swept there. The ’08 LA team won four of the five. The Reds have never swept the Dodgers there.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course; it’s just more satisfying to make my bro do stuff like this. (“Eric, go get me a beer, will ya?”)

Thanks; I’m actually surprised it’s that good; I always seem to see the bad games at this park.

by KellyStephen on Apr 19, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

What sticks with me is the cheapie HRs LA sometimes yields in that frickin’ bandbox.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I fully understand on the satisfaction part.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seem to recall

a game with a 10-run first inning in that park. No idea when such a game would have occurred. Am I making that up?

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 19, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here it is

The 2005 Dodgers, believe it or not.

May 6, 2005.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN200505060.shtml

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 19, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The win expectancy was 98% after the top of the first and never got lower!

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

WE% reached 100% after the Dodgers scored their 13th run that day…

…and never backed off 100%, even as the Reds scored four in the 8th and two more in the 9th. Six runs over the final two innings, and still, 0% WE.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 19, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed. Pretty awesome.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

And then, the next day, Saturday, May 7, 2005, the club lost to the Reds, 11-3. Derek Lowe cruised through five innings, leading 3-0, then gave up six in the sixth. The bullpen proceeded to give up five more over the next two innings.

Oh, 2005 club, you are not missed.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 19, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

An argument could be made that the Dodgers really have only 11 pitchers because Carlos Monasterios is on the roster more for his long-term potential than his present-day ability, reflected by Torre’s reluctance to use him in crucial situations. The Dodgers are keeping him there because Monasterios was obtained in the Rule 5 draft, meaning the Dodgers would have to offer him back to the Philadelphia Phillies before they could demote him.

Monk might stay on the team yet.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-dodgers-pitching-20100420,0,2133952.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fsports%2Fbaseball%2Fmlb%2Fdodgers+%28L.A.Times-+Dodgers%29&utm_content=Twitter

by Tripon on Apr 19, 2010 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

An argument could also be made that the 12th pitcher on the staff is almost never used in crucial situations anyway.

If LA did try to return Monk, I wonder if he would clear waivers, or if someone like SD would take him. SD claimed Jose Nuñez who was a Rule 5 that LA tried to return.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

HIMYM

actually had a good episode. Drunk or Kid

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 19, 2010 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

It was new?

Nice, I’ll have to watch it….

by Michael White on Apr 19, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Walk off HR for Eckstein

and it’s not April 1st.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Apr 19, 2010 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Suck it Kung Fu Pandouche!
;)

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 19, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

schadenfreude

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 20, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers have the worst run differential in the NL West at 0

but to be fair, the rest of the NL West didn’t let Russ Ortiz pitch.

by Cool Dudes on Apr 19, 2010 10:23 PM PDT reply actions  

so a run diff of 0 combined w/ a .500 record means

we’re neither lucky nor unlucky. I think Russ Ortiz combined w/ Sherrill’s road meltdowns are unfairly skewing both our W/L and the run differential though.

by Seanny Rotten on Apr 20, 2010 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice El Lay

I was browsing mcc and they are imploding. Now Velez is no longer their hero. The only thing that makes them happy is their pitching staff. The Giants are coming back down to earth. I live it.
Suck It Pandouche is right!!!!

by Skunkburner on Apr 20, 2010 12:08 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Important road trip

The Dodgers have Cincy, the Nats and the Mets. They need to have a winning record on this trip then come home and sweep the Pirates. They will never have such an easy four series for the rest of the year and they must capitalize on it.

That said, I think the Dodgers will go 9-4 over those four series and be in first place.

by Mookie1 on Apr 20, 2010 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Enrico Pallazzo hired by the Kings

First its God Bless America, then comes the Stanley Cup, then the NBA title, then the World Series – Sports in LA is King.

by Mookie1 on Apr 20, 2010 9:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Reds fans/bloggers think we're obnoxious for sporting this here preview

;)

Dodger Fans giddy to face Reds. "You know, I wish I could say they are a bunch of d-bags who are full of themselves. But they have every right to feel great about Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday. "

I’m never cocky abut any road trip so I’m certainly not going to start now. And some of the analysis here in this post about the Reds specifically seems pretty fair, harsh but fair. That said I hope they understand no one’s taking anything for granted. Our team’s not been off to the hottest of starts either.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Apr 20, 2010 9:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Speaking as someone who was bullish on Cinc to enter the season, I don’t think the intention is to bash them. As Phil’s post shows, they just haven’t been playing good baseball yet. I still remember Bailey completely shutting down LAD last year and he certainly has the talent to do so. But with the Dodgers hitting the crap out of the ball, I’m feeling pretty good about facing a young talent in Bailey who hasn’t nearly put it all together yet.

by Michael White on Apr 20, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

For any Reds fans who see this, Dodger fans are taking nothing for granted in this series. (And any that are taking anything for granted are fooling themselves.)

The Dodgers are a flawed team with strengths that, on paper, match up well against the Reds’ weaknesses. But anything at all can happen over three games.

Personally, I have a dark fear that the Leake game will be a frustrating one for the Dodgers. My fear has no basis in reality, I know. It’s very likely that Phil is right. But I fear it nonetheless.

I will say, though, if the Dodgers hold dreams of the postseason, they have to TCB against the Reds. If they lose 2 of 3 or get swept, that will bode ill.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 20, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

TCB...?

Why does that make me want fro-yo?

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Apr 20, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll give you a hint

“….every day.”

“….every way.”

also a Jim Belushi / Charles Grodin movie

by Eric Stephen on Apr 20, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

D'oh! Hah hah.

Never saw the movie, but god I hate that song. ;-) But I like the concept!

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Apr 20, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed the comments

liked the fact they took umbrage with the sweep and Mike Leake comments. Yes we do feel Matt Kemp will hit a home run every time up.

by meercatjohn on Apr 20, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd!

;-)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Apr 20, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't decide

If I love reading about Juan Pierre’s struggles, or hate it — now that he’s off the Dodgers, I am seriously rooting for him to slap his way to 3,000 hits. I would love to see the HOF discussion on Juan Pierre.

I know, it has just about no chance of happening.

But come on!

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 20, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

PED suspension is apparently an NL pitcher.

by oshea2002 on Apr 20, 2010 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Eric posted this earlier. Head on over here to join the discussion.

by Jesse S. on Apr 20, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve updated my Despair-o-meter rankings:

1. White Sox—Team constructed around weak offense has . . . weak offense.
2. Cubs—Aging, expensive, injury-prone—but that park!
3. Red Sox—They’re not this bad. Wrong division to play catch up.
4. Mets—Drop three rankings just on Ike Mania alone.
5. Astros/Orioles—Why even bother with the rest of the year?

by kinbote on Apr 20, 2010 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Orioles

kids all started slow, they have a nice future core of hitters and pitchers. Just in the wrong division.

by meercatjohn on Apr 20, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

Kinda going by record on them, but I do agree that their core is strong. Early in the season, I think one of the most interesting developments is the fast start by Tampa Bay. I’d love to see them stand toe-to-toe with the mighty Yankees.

by kinbote on Apr 20, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

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SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
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SP 44
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RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
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33
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31
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70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
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