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2010 Player Profile: Ronny Belliard, Mr. 209 or September Hero

Even if Belliard does nothing in 2010 he has already pushed his way into Dodger lore with his fabulous September. A September Dodger fans should never forget as Belliard didn't put on a Mini Manny show, he put on a full size Manny show.

Belliard was drafted in the 8th round of the 1994 draft by the Brewers. He made his debut in 1998 and by September 2009 had played for the Brewers, Rockies, Indians, Cardinals, and Nationals. Most of the time he's been a starting 2nd baseman who was adequate at his job.  In 2004 he was good enough to be an all-star while playing 2nd for the Indians.   Since 2004 Belliard has posted an OPS+ over 100 every year except for 2006.

Over the last three years Belliard seems to have learned the nuances of left handed pitching as he has posted an OPS against them of .892/ 1.015/.897. Pretty high marks for a middle infielder.

 

Year Age Tm AB 2B 3B HR BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
1998 23 MIL 5 0 0 0 0.200 0.200 0.200 0.400 6
1999 24 MIL 457 29 4 8 0.295 0.379 0.429 0.808 105
2000 25 MIL 571 30 9 8 0.263 0.354 0.389 0.743 91
2001 26 MIL 364 30 3 11 0.264 0.335 0.453 0.788 103
2002 27 MIL 289 13 0 3 0.211 0.257 0.287 0.544 45
2003 28 COL 447 31 2 8 0.277 0.351 0.409 0.760 87
2004 29 CLE 599 48 1 12 0.282 0.348 0.426 0.774 106
2005 30 CLE 536 36 1 17 0.284 0.325 0.45 0.774 107
2006 31 TOT 544 30 1 13 0.272 0.322 0.403 0.725 87
2006 31 CLE 350 21 0 8 0.291 0.337 0.42 0.757 96
2006 31 STL 194 9 1 5 0.237 0.295 0.371 0.666 71
2007 32 WSN 511 35 1 11 0.29 0.332 0.427 0.759 100
2008 33 WSN 296 22 0 11 0.287 0.372 0.473 0.845 122
2009 34 TOT 264 14 1 10 0.277 0.325 0.451 0.776 105
2009 34 WSN 187 7 1 5 0.246 0.296 0.374 0.670 77
2009 34 LAD 77 7 0 5 0.351 0.398 0.636 1.034 174
2010 James 0.265 0.322 0.416
2010 Chones 0.257 0.318 0.407
2010 Zips 0.267 0.320 0.409

 

Ronnie Belliard came over in what at the time was considered an insignificant waiver wire deal to help bolster the bench but ended up being the Dodgers starting second baseman for all of September, and shockingly the playoffs.

Belliard became the starter by slugging like no second baseman had done since a Jeff Kent hot streak.  By the time September 27 had rolled around he was a big reason why the Dodgers only needed one more victory to secure a second straight NL West Division Championship.

When the Dodgers slumped at the end of the year one thing was constant. Belliard was not in the lineup. It all started innocently enough with Belliard collecting his 2nd hit of the game on September 27 in the 9th inning. He hurt his hamstring and was replaced with a pinch runner. Going into the bottom of the 9th the Dodgers had the lead of 5 -2 with Broxton on the mound. If they win they clinch the division a week early. Improbably Big Jon coughed up the three run lead and the Dodgers had to wait another day. Belliard however was hurt and would not play again until Saturday Night. The Dodgers lost every single game that Belliard did not play in.

Saturday Night came and the Dodgers still needed that one victory. Belliard was not playing and the game was 0-0 headed into the bottom of  the seventh.  Belliard limped off the bench to pinch hit and drove in the winning run with a key basehit, igniting the Dodgers who would go onto score 5 runs, win the game, and clinch the pennant on TBLA Night.  It was not a Gibson moment but his key pinch hit should be remembered as one of the clutch moments of 2010.

Given the production of Belliard in September and the slim margin of the Dodger victory, it is not inconceivable to say that the acquisition of Belliard was a brilliant move and was certainly a big reason why the Dodgers won their 2nd straight division championship. A .636 slug% from your 2nd baseman is a gift from the Gods when his career is .418.

In 2010 Belliard had to make weight to make the team. He's done that but yesterday Blake DeWitt was given the job at 2nd base. The expectation is that Belliard will play against some left handed pitching and provide insurance in case DeWitt does not impress. 

I'm of the opinion that when a player goes above and beyond expectations there is a price to pay. As much as I was a huge Belliard backer in 2009, in 2010 I think he pays for that magnificent September and does very little productive work for us in 2010.

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I think he puts together a fine season for us, hitting mostly against LHP.

.273/.349/.421

by OB12 on Apr 2, 2010 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

2nd base

dewitt is not a major league starting player at any base! he won’t hit in important situations and fumble, fumble,fumble! use him as relief yes,anything else will wind up disaster! he’s like the guy who can’t take his ball strikes from the driving range to the golf course!

by jackass on Apr 2, 2010 8:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Your sports mixed metaphors are all over the place

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

DeWitt hate is a new one.

by Michael White on Apr 2, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Evidently

he already forgot the key hit he had in the Cub playoffs and the cool based loaded stat he was carrying in 2008. But other then that he always failed in important situations.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amazing bases loaded run to start his career

Hits in his first six bases loaded PA (the first five of which w/ 2 outs):

double (2 RBI)
single (2 RBI)
triple (3 RBI)
single (2 RBI)
single (2 RBI)
single (1 RBI; walkoff)

Overall, he’s 6 for 11 with a walk and a sac fly, 15 RBI in 13 PA, .545/.538/.818

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh…so he’s 0 for his last 5!

DeWitt will be manageable offensively at 2nd base. I think we’ll miss Hudson’s defense, not Belliard’s, more than anything.

by KellyStephen on Apr 2, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Handle = truth in advertising

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by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

PITTSBURGH

My wife has Monday off and I decided to take it off too. Somehow I convinced her to make the 7 hour drive with me from NYC to Pittsburgh for opening day. Any other Doyer fans going to make it?

by bearface on Apr 2, 2010 8:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Awesome

That sounds like a blast, and you have a cool wife.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes i do

but i will unfortunately have to make it up to her by going to a bunch of Yankee games.

by bearface on Apr 2, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

It could be worse. You could have to make it up to her by spending a day at the mall.

by Michael White on Apr 2, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

That Jim Nantz commercial is hilarious BTW

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just make sure you go when they play the Rays

since they are our AL Sister team you can feel free to root hard for them.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

in my head

i root for whoever is playing the Yankees. The only time that would change would be if they were playing the Giants.

by bearface on Apr 2, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

a day at Yankee Stadium, has to still rank kind of high on the list of things to day with the wife. Hats off to your wife.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Prospects

I’m curious as to what kind of discussion (both on here and within the organization) anybody knows about moving Gordon or DeJesus to 2B.

anybody know if that’s something that has been talked about?

by bearface on Apr 2, 2010 8:22 AM PDT reply actions  

As far as I know, there is no plan to move Gordon off SS anytime soon, and any movement of DeJesus to 2B would either be to accelerate his availability or use to the big league club, or rather because of Gordon himself.

I’m anxious to find out the AAA alignment next week; my guess is Hu at SS, DeJesus at 2B.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why move DeJesus off of short? Between DeJesus and Hu, DeJesus is the one who remains a top prospect. I would think the objective would be to get DeJesus as much work in as necessary considering his missing all of last year.

by Michael White on Apr 2, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

but I’m not sure what will happen. Hu maybe has more trade value as a SS?

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t playing SS really well basically all of Hu’s value right now? Moving him to second kind of diminishes what his strength is.

by prosellis on Apr 2, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point in his career

He has been scouted enough so teams know what positions he can play, I think he is at the point where the more positions he can play well only helps him.

by bhsportsguy on Apr 2, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could see both of them getting time

at both spots since they both may end up being utility players.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

No talk of moving Gordon to 2B

And both Hu and DeJesus will play 2B and SS at AAA.

If the question is a precursor to whether either of them would be in a position to play 2B this year, I would say that would be a definite 100% No on that scenario.

by bhsportsguy on Apr 2, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

i wasn’t asking if they would be in position to play so much is if there was any discussion of that – make sense/?

by bearface on Apr 2, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Zero discussion about moving Gordon to 2nd base

any speculation on him has centered on the possibility he’d make a kick ass center fielder.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised to see this alignment:

Inland Empire SS: Gordon
Chattanooga SS: DeJesus
Albuquerque SS: Hu

by silverwidow on Apr 2, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would be surprised since

DeJesus was optioned to AAA and Gordon has been playing with the AA team all spring

by bhsportsguy on Apr 2, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, I didn’t see that DeJesus’ option was to a specific team. In that case, I’d fully expect him to get SS over Hu, whom the Dodgers want to trade anyway.

by silverwidow on Apr 2, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

That seems like a big jump for Gordon (not saying that you are wrong of course.) After rushing Lambo last year and possibly “setting him up to fail” by moving him straight to AA, I would think the org would be cautious about doign the same thing with Gordon.

by Michael White on Apr 2, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gordon is about 4 months older than Lambo

And he will be 22 in April. Lambo was playing in AA at age 19/20. Comparing those two, Gordon was playing Rookie Ball at the same age.

by bhsportsguy on Apr 2, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Cal League is counter productive sometimes.

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 2, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fun stats…from Jason Collette:

Just sick….combine winter ball and spring training and Liriano has a 94/12 strikeout to walk ratio in 68.2 IP

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 8:30 AM PDT reply actions  

And hes gonna be the Twins “FIF” stater.

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 2, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Belliard

He’ll be a bust. There to keep Manny happy and provide the occasional pinch-hit, but his overall numbers will be weak. Reed Johnson will be a much more productive spot starter.

by kinbote on Apr 2, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Anyone have the new Sports Illustrated?

The Baseball Preview. In the page on the Dodgers (who they pick to finish 2nd) their featured player to keep an eye on is Billingsley, but just as interestingly they have Chin Lung Hu in the sidebar. Writer basically says he deserves a shot on the big league team. Was kind of interesting to see him get attention from national SI. No mention of Nick Green anywhere in the article. :-/

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by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

But were there any painted swimsuits?

by kinbote on Apr 2, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had the bad timing to subscribe after they sent that issue out

:-(

(Only subscribing for a coupla months because it gave me a deal with MLBTV)

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by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Hu at 2nd defensively makes a hell of a lot of sense. Offensively, he gives them nothing. i don’t see him doing much at the major league level ever. I’d like to be wrong, because I love his athleticism on D.

by KellyStephen on Apr 2, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plus, he was great in Oceans 11.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Grant Brohsuis

recently retired from the Giants’ minor league system, but he has written several interesting articles. His latest, for Baseball America, sheds some light on minor league salaries. A terrific read. Talking about AAA salaries here:

The biggest earners among the minor league set fall in to two categories:

Members of the 40-man roster. Players sign split major league/minor league contracts once they’re added to the 40-man, with their pay rate dictated by the Collective Bargaining Agreement. While those in the big leagues earn at least the minimum of $400,000, those on the minor league side are paid based on their experience. First-year members earn a minimum of $32,500 in the minors, while second- and third-year members earn a minimum of $65,000. However, if a player spends time with the big club in one season, his pay rate the following year must equal at least 60 percent of his total earnings from the year before. Factoring in the higher big league pay rate, a player’s minor league salary could be two or three times more than the minimum.

Minor league free agents. To fill the gaps in Triple-A, organizations often turn to the minor league free agent. The most coveted free agents can make as much as $12,000-$25,000 a month, depending on the organization. That works out to a cool $60,000-$125,000 for five months of work.

That 60% rule is not something I new about. Interesting.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I was going to post that same thing

but you beat me to it. I was not aware of that rule either. Based on that rule, both McDonald and X Paul are still going to be making around $200K even if they play in AAA all season

by Brandon Lennox on Apr 2, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also

new = knew

Well, new to my brain anyway!

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great article. Man, you’ve got to really love playing baseball to spend more than a few years living like some of those guys.

by prosellis on Apr 2, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

that being said, the salaries of the additional guys on the 40 man roster increases the Dodgers 40 man payroll by over $1M, which is much more than the $500K that I had originally thought

by Brandon Lennox on Apr 2, 2010 9:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Final spot

Nick Green
Russ Ortiz
Justin Miller

The first two guys are useless IMO. I’m not exactly a fan of Miller, but he’s simply a better fit.

by silverwidow on Apr 2, 2010 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

You don’t think Ayala is in the discussion? I honestly don’t know how either Ayala or Miller have done this spring.

by OB12 on Apr 2, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Miller hasn’t given up a walk, which is good. Ayala is mediocre.

by silverwidow on Apr 2, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cool. I think the spot should be Miller’s too if those are the only three candidates for the final spot. I would be much happier if they changed course and gave the last spot to Lindblom or Link.

by OB12 on Apr 2, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m kinda feeling J-Mill these days. One-inning, mostly righty-facing experienced guy with NL West ties. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

by kinbote on Apr 2, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

He also provides nice cross-promotional possibilities with TLC’s L.A. Ink.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 2, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Justin Miller

is the only man in the discussion who has been what you might call good recently.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 9:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I believe that he’s the one with the May 1 date where he can opt out, so that hurts his chances of the OD roster. Ned can simply stash him for later.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 2, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Base Performance Value

From Baseball HQ:

Pitching BPV: ((Dominance Rate – 5.0) x 18) + ((4.0 – Walk rate) x 27) + (Ground ball rate as whole number – 40)

This formula combines the individual raw skills of dominance, control and the ability to keep the ball on the ground, all characteristics that are unaffected by most external team factors. In tandem with a pitcher’s strand rate, it provides a complete picture of the elements that contribute to a pitcher’s ERA, and therefore serves as an accurate tool to project likely changes in ERA. BENCHMARKS: A BPV of 50 is the minimum level required for long-term success. The elite of the bullpen aces will have BPV’s in excess of 100 and it is rare for these stoppers to enjoy long term success with consistent levels under 75.

Justin Miller – 25
Russ Ortiz – – 4
Ramon Ortiz – 90 (which is why projection systems like him)
Weaver – 42
Ayala – 67

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

What time frame are those BPVs for?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 2, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Projected BPV

based on historical performance

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone read or pick-up the latest issue of "ESPN Magazine"?

There is an article where Andre Ethier and Jake Peavy breajk down, together, a match-up they had last year. Ethier doesn’t reveal much, but Peavy’s comments were pretty insightful.

ESPN also had their season predictions; using a simulator 100 times, the Dodgers are predicted to win the NL West over 50% of the time. In fact, the simulator predicted the Phillies/Dodgers in another NLCS matchup, with the Dodgers losing (again).

Also of note was that the writers expected a nice comeback from Billingsley.

by Dr. Geek on Apr 2, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

ZiPS has always liked Billingsley.

Definitely one of my favorite magazines this year.

--
Dan Szymborski
BTF
Dan on ESPN Insider

by D.Szymborski on Apr 2, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw that. I was surprised the margin they had LA over Colorado by. Their computer liked AZ as much as Colorado.

by oshea2002 on Apr 2, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I expect that was before Mr. Webb

became Mr. Schmidt

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

100 seems like an awfully small run. It’s a computer simulator; it should be left to churn for tens of thousands of runs. Just ask xeifrank.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 2, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Missed this

from Jim Peltz’s story in the LA Times:

Left-handed reliever Hong-Chih Kuo, sidelined by a tender elbow, threw about 35 pitches off flat ground.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I wonder what Kuo’s offseason training program is? I mean it seems like he has this soreness in his elbow every spring, which is understandable, but I am wondering if there is anything that he can do during the offseason to keep his elbow loose and healthy.

by OB12 on Apr 2, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doubt it

Dodger training staff thinks it is a miracle he can even pitch

by bhsportsguy on Apr 2, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking

getting a clone and altering the tender elbow gene might work.

by prosellis on Apr 2, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Royals optioned Brian Anderson to the Rookie Pioneer League. He wants to become a pitcher.

by silverwidow on Apr 2, 2010 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Desperate to hang on to the dream

by delias man on Apr 2, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he’s trying to pull a reverse Ankiel. With Ankiel now in KC, Anderson can be the Yin to his Yang.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bill Simmons

Giving the masses more understanding to “advanced stats”, I like it

by Julio Nievas on Apr 2, 2010 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Alyssa Milano pessimistic

Guess we should give up. The expert has spoken. Alyssa Milano:

“I haven’t been thrilled about the starting rotation for years. You have to have good pitching to win a championship,” Milano said. “I haven’t told management my thoughts. But I blog about it and pray someone in the front office will be reading!”


I know she’s a legit fan and all, but wonder if she could talk to us about who Charlie Haeger is or about their best prospects.

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by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Sounds like she is throwmantically challenged.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 12:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I haven’t told management my thoughts.

I don’t know, just made me chuckle.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It made me laugh out loud actually

Thank God she’s not yet another special assistant to the GM ;-) She should focus more on her crummy new TV show and less on giving Dodger management her wisdom.

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by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahhh … Ms. Milano … step into my office ….

by 68elcamino427 on Apr 2, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still waiting for Hugo Pool 2

by delias man on Apr 2, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

She's not only "Romantically Challenged"

she’s baseball insight challenged and career choice challenged.

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by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

She’s whining because we have a 5th starter type pitching Opening Day and nobody on the staff is a good bet to win close to 20 games. Media types and celebrities identify with big names, unlike some of us diehards.

by silverwidow on Apr 2, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't say I'm especially happy

that Padilla is our opening day starter and Slacks is our fifth starter. I’ll live with it but I don’t see why any fan shouldn’t voice concern. The only good thing about Haeger starting is that he was the best of the options left not because I think he’ll do any good.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is she completely wrong?

Not saying she’s a diehard, but is anyone thrilled with this this rotation, or Padilla being the opening day guy?

by oshea2002 on Apr 2, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

My brother is happy Padilla is starting OD over Kuroda and Bills. I tried to talk some sense into him, but apparently he proved himself to be more consistent than the others in the extremely short time he was with the Dodgers.

by uclatroy on Apr 2, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will try not to keep repeating this but Padilla being opening day starter

is, I’d argue, an overrated thing to worry about and not the same as him being the team’s #1 pitcher. True the average fan won’t know that but the number of pundits who seem to harp on that point as if it reflects the rotation overall is disappointing to me. It’s admittedly yet another reason I wish Torre hadn’t made the decision, because it’s become a distraction, but it is what it is: one game, a decision that will reflect the first week or two’s pitching arrangement and nothing more than that.

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by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter if he's opening day or not

the fact still remains that 2/5 of the rotation are huge ? marks and so why shouldn’t Dodger fans be worried? Haeger beat out the likes of Russ Ortiz. That alone should signal the worry bell.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last year

The original 5 starters didn’t even make it to their second turn. By the time Kuroda came back, 3 other pitchers started games, one original starter was moved out.

by bhsportsguy on Apr 2, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

she's probably just upset

that these starters don’t have the same stuff as Brad Penny.

by sarcastro9 on Apr 2, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was the last "ace" or "Number 1" pitcher on the Dodgers

Kevin Brown?

And before that, do we have to go to Orel (1988 version), and prior to that, Fernando.

by bhsportsguy on Apr 2, 2010 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Wasn’t 95-97 Nomo given the “ace” label?

by prosellis on Apr 2, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

He could of been a “ACE” in 02-03 as well.

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 2, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be opposed to having a Hideo Nomo Night at Dodger Stadium. That would be kind of cool.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be cool.

I still have my Hideo Nomo Bobble Head. :)

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 2, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe

signed a 3-year extension with the Lakers today.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

It will take him through his 18th (!!!!) season (2014)

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was there any info on the Money? I did not see it.

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 2, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure it’s pretty much just a slotted deal for max money. If I understand the situation properly, he likely gets more by signing now because the next CBA will likely decrease salaries.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay thats what I thought. TY

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 2, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never knew he was drafted by the Hornets and traded for Vlade. I thought it was just a straight draft by the Lakers.

by Ivdown on Apr 2, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope then we got that rather large fellow named Kazaam

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 2, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best movie ever.

by Ivdown on Apr 2, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shaq’s greatest role was in Freddy got Fingered

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 2, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, seems like only yesterday

the 17 year old was jacking up three point air balls in a key play off game while Nick Van Excel was saying WTF.Multiple championships later he’s had an incredible ride. Lots of mileage on those knees, pound for pound maybe the toughest basketball player I’ve ever seen.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Read the first quote from Yahoo

Holy shi* ! I would’ve been done till the next morning

by Julio Nievas on Apr 2, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The guy is lucky his heart didn’t stop before he even got to bat.

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 2, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yet that ab

is one of my top 10 at bats of all time. It is so imprinted in my mind I’ll never forget the feeble swing that fouled off the pitch before he clobbered the home run.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I guess what doesn’t kill you, only makes you stronger.

by NotJoeTorre on Apr 2, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scheduled pitchers tonight

Dodgers
Kershaw, Weaver, Monasterios, Miller

Angels
Santana, Jepsen, Bulger

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Let’s go Kid Kershaw!

by Ivdown on Apr 2, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sweet, going to the game tonight to again witness the Minotaur in game action
Tickets are still available on Stub Hub.

by 68elcamino427 on Apr 2, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it in LA or Anaheim?

by Ivdown on Apr 2, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

@Anaheim

tomorrow is back at Dodger Stadium

by bhsportsguy on Apr 2, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Minotaur is officially Withrow now. Just a FYI. :)

by silverwidow on Apr 2, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tonight’s game will be on MLB.tv, as a free preview, with no blackout restrictions.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

My hunch is that tomorrow

Bills, Kuroda, Sherrill, an Ortiz, Troncoso or Broxton or Ayala

We may have seen the last of any minor league pitchers (aside those that might be sent over)

by bhsportsguy on Apr 2, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Torre said he would put the younger guys in tomorrow?

by Julio Nievas on Apr 2, 2010 2:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

If I could get MLB.tv without restrictions I could cancel my cable. Alas…

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 2, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Born two days after my mother. As a little kid, I remember being confused that “Cuellar” was pronounced KWAY-yar.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 2, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That name isn’t ringing a bell to me at all, who is that?

by Ivdown on Apr 2, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Part of one of the greatest rotations in history

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay that was hyperbole

part of one of the most winningest rotations in history.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Four starters with over two hundred innings

and three with over 280.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about this for a trade

In 1968 the Astro’s traded
December 4, 1968: Traded by the Houston Astros with Elijah Johnson (minors) and Enzo Hernandez to the Baltimore Orioles for John Mason (minors) and Curt Blefary.

Cuellar at the time was 31 and not very good. He then then won the Cy Young in 1969 in his first year on the Orioles and went on to win 116 games over six years for them.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blefary is one of the classic flameouts

ROY in his age-21 (nearly 22) season, roughly the same level for a couple more years, then hits the skids, and is out of the majors at 29. He was a no-glove guy, born to be a DH, but the first year of the DH was his first out of the majors. Great walk rates – kind of a poor man’s Adam Dunn when Blefary was good.

I would have liked making stupid bats in the Blefary jokes.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 2, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The debut

of Target Field is on MLB Network.

by Alex41592 on Apr 2, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t want to see Vicente Padilla’s bodyguard anywhere near Target Field.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 2, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

My cat has officially tweeted as much as

Tony Jackson has in the past 10 days.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he's enjoying his vacation

before the season starts.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Presumably

But still, zero tweets over last 10 days of Spring Training when, you know, some stuff happened of interest?

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then again, we're talking about someone

with no twitter picture, and no twitter bio and no link. So clearly he doesn’t value it at all. Which if he were just some guy I wouldn’t care about it but as a professional journalist covering a baseball team? Pretty lame. Could say the same about Gurnick, though at least he tweets a bit more.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

So I flip on MLB network

first thing I see is O-Dog standing at third and my first thought, right or wrong, was, “I’m glad Dewitt is our second baseman this year.”

by prosellis on Apr 2, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Me too.

Because he struck out with Span at third and 0 out in his first AB.

by CTBMikeD on Apr 2, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

If DeWit can produce like Hudson

we will be happy clams.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tonights Lineup

Furcal 6
Martin 2
Anderson 7
Ramirez DH
Kemp 8
Loney 3
Blake 5
Johnson 9
DeWitt 4

Kershaw 1

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I see Garret Anderson is getting the pimp spot tonight.

by silverwidow on Apr 2, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice for his

return to Anaheim. He will go down as one of the great Angels much like Willie Davis was for the Dodgers. Holds a gazillion Angel records.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 2, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

J.D. Closser, Justin Miller, and Luis Ayala are being sent to Triple A, but they remain in uniform for the weekend.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 5:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I bet we see Miller

in LA at some point this year, possibly soon.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Torre:

Miller was consistent, he showed he can get both righties and lefties out. Ayala has a bigger arm but he’s inconsistent. Its nice to have people down there (Albuquerque) that we can choose from

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not choose one of them now instead of one of the sucky players

they will end up choosing? Oh well, it will probably be moot in a few weeks.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Torre said Kershaw will throw 50-60 pitches tonight, hopefully 4 innings

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Torre on the roster
It’s still between 11 and 12 pitchers, we know what the scenarios are, but we’re not locked in. We’re thinking of what our needs are down the road. It depends on how many infielders we take.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Nick Green vs. Russ Ortiz. I’m on pin and needles with anticipation.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 2, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

What shit. I guess Green is somewhat less useless. I can understand having a more competent defensive SS than Carroll. I can’t see the need for Russ Ortiz to come out of the bullpen ever.

by Michael White on Apr 2, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

It should be Hu instead of Green

and either way it shouldn’t be Ortiz. There, I made it simple for you, Dodgers!

But given the choices, I guess I’m rooting for Green.

And the crowd goes wild!
Crowd: “Hooray….”

(Anyone remember Tom Slick?)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Apr 2, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tom Slick. Tom Slick.
Let me tell you why,
He’s the best of all the guys.

Tom Slick. Tom Slick.
In the Thunderbolt Grease-Slapper, once he’s on your tail
He won’t quit because you know there’s no such word as fail
to Tom Slick. Tom Slick!

Love the bad guy names in those great Jay Ward cartoons. Baron Otto Matic, Snidely Whiplash, Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale, etc.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 2, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Angels Lineup

Aybar SS
Abreu RF
Hunter CF
Matsui DH
Morales 1B
Rivera LF
Kendrick 2B
Napoli C
Izturis 3B

Santana P

by Eric Stephen on Apr 2, 2010 5:56 PM PDT reply actions  

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SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
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SP 44
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AA 50 Eovaldi $7,885
AAA 56 Antonini $7,869



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Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
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