"What I would suggest for Ned Colletti to do is look at himself in the mirror," Stewart said.
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Stewart said that no player has called out Colletti for wasting tens of millions of dollars on Jason Schmidt or Andruw Jones, and that players deserved the same level of courtesy from their general manager.
Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times gets the reaction by Dave Stewart to Ned Colletti's comments about his client, Matt Kemp.
about 2 years ago
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oooo burn
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Tony Jackson added some more, per a Stewart radio interview for which the audio is as of yet unavailable:
“When it comes time for Matt to arbitrate two years from now, we’re going to look at that situation and do what’s best for Matt,” he said on The Mason and Ireland Show on 710 ESPN Los Angeles. "When it comes time for Matt to be a free agent three years from now, we’re going to look at that situation in the same way as I would with Chad Billingsley, my other client on that ballclub.
Lots of time between now and the end of 2012
by Eric Stephen on Apr 28, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see this really effecting our chances of keeping them unless Colletti is a prick and low balls them because he holds a grudge. In the end, if the Dodgers pay them they will stay. The bigger issue is whether or not we can afford to pay them.
by CarolinaDodger on Apr 29, 2010 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Stewart needs to go off on some former major leaguers as well then. Keith Hernandez and Ron Darling were lighting Kemp up all series on SNY, for loafing after balls, not taking good routes, swinging at bad pitches in hitters counts, bad baserunning, etc.
Little different when your GM says those things then when an opposing teams announcers do. Nobody said (at least so far this season) that Ned’s comments weren’t accurate, just that he shouldn’t have said them. And that he’s a moron.
Okay, maybe not everyone is saying he’s a moron, but I am.
not his place
That’s Joe Torre’s job. At least that’s what the Dodgers are paying him over $4M to do.
Your call. I honestly think it is worse coming from two former major leaguers. Granted, you want the GM to stay out of general day to day baseball. You can prove the GM wrong with your play (but it is also team play).
I don’t care if people bag on Kemp. I care that a high ranking organization of the Los Angeles Dodgers says it. McCourt saying it has turned this into a circus. Nobody would care what two morons on SNY say.
by Michael White on Apr 28, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
+1 to Michael and EMDarrow
for the reasons I posted two days ago.
I will say this: Dave Stewart is both absolutely within his rights, as an agent, to speak up for his client however he sees fit. However, he’s also fanning the flames when I think it’s probably in his client’s interest to let it die down a bit. His client looks good when his client takes the high road.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Apr 28, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
They are playing the good cop/ bad cop routine. Kemp takes the high rode while Stewart bashes Colletti over the head.
I agree, I’d rather Stewart just let this thing blow over.
by Michael White on Apr 28, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m glad Stewart said it, because it needed to be said. But I also would like this to all go away now (and I realize Stewart’s comments didn’t help)
by Eric Stephen on Apr 28, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
agree
I wish he let it blow over, but I appalude him for standing up for his client
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Apr 28, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I really hope not
that would turn a bad situation into a horrible one
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Apr 28, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope he does
I hope he gets in a fight with Stewart
Bye bye Ned.
by Chad Moriyama on Apr 29, 2010 3:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Colletti responded in both articles…I think internally it’s pretty much over…maybe one more meeting between the parties back at home…but the media will talk about it for a long time.
by Eric Stephen on Apr 28, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Confirmation Bias
You look for it, you’ll see it.
by Chad Moriyama on Apr 29, 2010 3:30 AM PDT up reply actions
In Ned's world
If you aren’t on the wrong side of 30, then you’re still “a kid”. And if you’re a kid, then you’re clearly inferior to someone who isn’t.
The unsaid final sentence in that interview was clearly, “If Jeff Kent was our centerfielder, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.”
Don’t forget to account for Garrett Jones hitting a home run tomorrow :)
by Eric Stephen on Apr 28, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Is he slumping because of the contract he just signed? I don’t know :)
by Eric Stephen on Apr 28, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
1st season I've ever watched American Idol
and I’m really pissed right now. But I know I won’t be the most pissed off here.
Silverwidow
isn’t going to overreact. He always handles thus stuff well. (hide your kids, hide your lady friends, Humma hide your gin!)
by keithc13 on Apr 28, 2010 10:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
All I know is that I might end up with a steak out of it
by Eric Stephen on Apr 28, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, even when Blake was joking around when Kemp was interviewed Kemp sounded pretty pissed and asked him to be quiet. I believe they are actually really good friends, so Kemp is taking this really seriously.
Blake is like his big brother
This must have really pissed off Kemp. Makes sense that Stewart came out to defend his client if it ticked him off that much
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Apr 28, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Ned shut up
we dont want to start world war 3….
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
What frustrates me the most
Is that Ned will (G-d willing) have been long since fired by the time Kemp (and, potentially Bills too) becomes a free agent, but he has now built up such bad will with the organization that they won’t even consider resigning with the Dodgers.
by Nolij on Apr 28, 2010 11:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good for Dave Stewart. Colletii has no room to speak negatively about ANYONE considering some of the moves he has made and the insane amount of money he has wasted. Yes, Kemp has been gawd awful in the field and stealing bases, but he is also is the face of the franchise and prior to the last 6 games had been knocking the crap out of the ball. To go out and criticize a guy when he really is the least of your worries (hell of a bullpen you put together, Ned) is just idiotic.
by UCLADodger32 on Apr 28, 2010 11:16 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I hate to defend Colletti, but honestly the bullpen was the least of my concerns in the offseason too. Too many players were back from last season’s amazing bullpen. I still think that part will turn around.
My biggest gripe this offseason is Jamey Carroll, Padilla, and Ramon Ortiz. For their combined salary, we could have come close to keeping Wolf.
by CarolinaDodger on Apr 29, 2010 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions
and for a tiny bit more, we could have kept the O Dog.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/minnesota-twins_17.html $5MM and we have an all-star second baseman. Damn you Ned and McCourt.
by Seanny Rotten on Apr 29, 2010 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
You do realize Hudson wasn’t coming back, right?
by Eric Stephen on Apr 29, 2010 7:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope Dave Stewart
never represents a player that doesn’t perform according to how some thinks he should have. Or have someone call them a waste of a money like he did when he called out Andruw Jones and Jason Schmidt today.
And I wonder if he’ll mind if someone brings up his defense in arbitration hearing that Kemp is still learning how to play.
Since that potential hearing is two years away, maybe Stewart figures he’ll be able to argue that Kemp clearly has learned how to play.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Apr 28, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
From the Tony Jackson article linked in the comments above
“He has a chance to be the best Dodger in the history of the franchise. He has the ability to do that.” — Colletti, following his brief conversation with Kemp after the game.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I always recall Dave Stewart being found in an alley on skid row by the LAPD
Nothing but class?
He was agreat pitcher though
other pitchers half as good? as Stewart was shoot themselves in the leg.
Maybe Padillia will be an agent someday too?
Serioulsy though ...
The Dodgers are behaving like losers on and off the field.
Losing is a habit … so is winning.
Including Ned.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Apr 28, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
When the team ERA is over 5.00,
the focus shouldn’t be on some kerfuffle between the GM and the CF who is one of the leaders of the offense. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. Ned probably shouldn’t have said what he said the way he said it and in that forum. Effective managers use questions to make the points they want to make, in the way they want to make them. Instead of the answer he gave about Kemp, he should have said that the entire team seems to be suffering defensive woes and then used his platform to make whatever points he wanted to make about the current struggles.
Dave Stewart should protect his client, but he doesn’t have to do it like a rabid junkyard dog. Throwing Ned’s failures directly in his face is not the way to handle it, even if he is playing bad cop. (Dave Stewart also shouldn’t have to point out Ned’s bad signings; there are plenty of pundits in town for that.)
It looks to me like the only person who responded to the press appropriately is the youngest, least mature person of the three involved.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Apr 28, 2010 11:36 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I'll agree
But, does this work in reverse, if Ned to comment positively about a player should he then say this is a team game and I don’t think one player should be singled out over anyone else.
This all stems from how poorly 23 out of 25 players have performed at times at this season (I am leaving Broxton and Kuroda out, you can add Troncoso too). Maybe some more, maybe some less.
by bhsportsguy on Apr 28, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It all starts with Ned, though. Stewart is going to defend his client, and frankly he’s right to tell Ned to look in the mirror if he wants an excuse for the slow start. Carroll at short, Belliard stumbling at first, Anderson striking out again, Kemp did none of that. But I will agree that the kid handled it best.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Apr 29, 2010 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Back to the field of play
On the play earlier today, when Jeff Francoeur grounded back to John Ely with 1st & 3rd, 0 outs, judging from the broadcast and comments it sounds like Ely had David Wright 30 feet off the bag at 3B, an easy out if he chose to pursue it. Instead, Ely hesitated on the play, and threw to second base to get the force out, but because he first looked Wright back there was no chance to complete the double play in time.
My initial thought was that I wished he would have got the lead runner (Wright) at 3B (I have an irrational fear of the lead runner in scoring position), but upon further review…
Using the Baseball Prosepctus run expectancy matrix:
Choice 1: retire Wright at 3B…leaving 1st & 2nd, 0 outs. Expected runs: 0.94128
Choice 2: go for the double play…leaving man on 3rd, 2 outs. Exp. runs: 0.33125
So it sounds like going for the double play was the clear choice…of course I’m sure there was some probability of not completing the double play, even if Ely acted quickly, but not enough to make it the wrong choice. If only Ely had made his decision more quickly.
I was thinking the 2010 matrix would be too small a sample size, but the 2009 numbers are similar:
1st & 2nd, 1 out. Expected runs: 0.92165
man on 3rd, 2 outs. Exp. runs: 0.37008
Especially early in the game, never turn down a good chance to get two outs in one play. Also why I hate the infield in during early innings, I’ll take every out I can get because the situation doesn’t get better without them.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Apr 29, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
That is an awesome little table at BP – never seen it before. I’m amazed that one table can convey so much info.
by CarolinaDodger on Apr 29, 2010 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions
BTW
Happy Anniversaries to Phil and his lovely bride as well as Jon and his wife too.
by bhsportsguy on Apr 28, 2010 11:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I second that emotion
(with all due apologies to the great Smokey Robinson)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Apr 28, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
As far as I know, all of the other quotes were made in comments directly to members of the print media, but the original comments by Colletti that triggered this ridiculous furor can be heard in context along with the entire Q/A with Peter Tilden here. Ned comes on at the 16:22 mark and is on until the 20:35 mark. Rather than relying on what you read in the press, you can hear it for yourself, and decide you think is the appropriate way for all parties to react to it.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I listened.
The Tough Guy approach didn’t go over too well this time around.
However, Ned did have one thing correct toward the end of the interview … ’It’s time to go."
Mr. Colletti, if this losing in this fashon keeps up much longer …
by 68elcamino427 on Apr 29, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
ned's real intelligence?
ill give kemp big time class points for not demolishing good ol ned. granted kemp has fubbed some balls but when he’s clubbing the ball like it owes him money there’s gotta be some leeway. im thinking is ned smart enough to pick on kemp to try and save the fragile arms in the rotation/bullpen? maybe he’s inciting something with kemp so the pitchers will have his back. i dont know what to make of this season and throwing my keyboard at the wall does not solve any issues.
Could it be that Kemp is becoming a great hitter,
But this is just gong to be the way he plays defense and runs the bases?
Would it be wise to lower the expectaions in these areas of his game?
And just what will Mr. Stewart have to say if that is indeed the case?
by 68elcamino427 on Apr 29, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
This is quite distressing to me...
The most distressing aspect of this is that I can imagine Colletti trading Kemp. I’d like to think it wouldn’t happen, but this is the same team that traded Mike Piazza, Raul Mondesi, Pedro Martinez, Pedro Guerrero, and let Orel Hershiser go. I know it’s a different time and a different regime, but the trauma and personal anguish never really dissipate when it comes to the team I love. The biggest difference for me, personally, is that Kemp is one of the first prospects whose progression I’ve followed since single-A. I’m sure plenty of people here have their “first” like mine, and it’s disconcerting to say the least when the highest-ceiling Dodger of my lifetime is at odds with the GM that’s inspired the least amount of confidence. Colletti’s biggest achievements, in my eyes, have been the deals he hasn’t made.
Somebody, please talk me off the ledge.
Bold Prediction
Colletti will part ways with the Dodgers long before the Bison does.
P.S. – Mr. Kemp might do well by finding a more polished agent.
by 68elcamino427 on Apr 29, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The Guerrero and Mondesi trades both helped the team. Mondesi and Piazza wrote their own tickets out of town.
And I think most of us will wholeheartedly disagree with you about Ned’s legacy. He will be remembered for four big signings — two unmitigated disasters (Schmidt, Jones) and two really bad ones with positive moments (Pierre, Manny). I expect Ned’s future in General Managing will match Glenn Hoffman’s post-Dodger managerial career.
Ned's Legacy
His legacy, as with any GM, are the signings, but you make my point for me: that his best moments are rooted in him not trading Kemp, Kershaw, or Bills these past few seasons when every single trade discussion with every other club began with those aforementioned names.
Manny
No way I’d call Manny a really bad signing. Lumping him in with Pierre and even in the same sentence as Schmidt and Jones is ridiculous.
I’m afraid in the end the biggest thing Colletti will be remembered for is trading Santana.
by CarolinaDodger on Apr 29, 2010 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I expect Ned’s future in General Managing will match Glenn Hoffman’s post-Dodger managerial career.
Ned Colletti’s going to end up running the fish taco stand at PETCO Park soon?
and on the 93rd postseason of the National Hockey League, the Slovakian-hockeygod Zeus commanded from high atop Mount Figueroa..."RELEASE THE MEAT TRAIN!" And it was good.
by DodgerBlueBalls on Apr 29, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Mondesi and Piazza wrote their own tickets out of town.
Piazza? What? He wanted a big contract that Fox didn’t want to give, but he certainly warranted a contract like that in the major league marketplace. That was a complete boondoggle by Fox and they – particularly the evil Chase Carey – are solely to blame for that.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Apr 29, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the thing with Colletti, that after he knew his comments were a bigger thing than he initially thought, he still tried to deflect blame on the team as a whole instead of saying the matter is over. Is that leadership from a GM who is secure with a new 4 year contract, and a team that he personally built?
by Tripon on Apr 29, 2010 7:58 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Anyone can make a mistake – ala Jeff Ireland with the Dolphins. Did you see him trying to defend his comments? No, he apologized.
Colletti stupidly says he “stands behind” his statements, being far too dumb (especially for a PR guy) that once you say that, you can’t then spin it your way – you just etched in stone every stupid thing you said the first time.
We can be upset about how Stewart maybe handled this, but I’m 100% behind him. You can’t let an idiot like Ned rip your client like that w/o firing back. I’m also torn on whether I want this to go away – yes it’s an unnecessary distraction, but the team stinks right now anyways. Secondly, this is some bad pub for Ned period, his actions were basically indefinsible, and it could hasten his departure at some point.
by oshea2002 on Apr 29, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t really have a problem with what Ned said about the team in general, in fact most of the guys in the clubhouse deserve to get ripped right now. The thing is he totally butchered the Kemp question. When asked specifically about Kemp, Colletti should’ve said something similar to what Torre said in the LA Times article.
“Well, when you have the best statistics, you’re going to get the most attention”. That would’ve complimented Kemp but at the same time Colletti could left it up to the public to decide if he was pleased or not with Kemp’s play. Clearly Torre is better at handling these types of questions.
Team Sports
For some reason, I think a big part of a younger players development is building their confidence during tough times. Maybe bring them down a notch when they get too full of themselves. And in general, team unity is a plus.
Grumpy old dudes questioning Billz and his confidence, ripping a budding star while the team is slumping due to injuries and poor roster construction seem to all be mistakes by Dodger management.
This is only consistent with the below average ownership, that finds fiscal religion just as this young nucleus comes off of 2 NCLS visits.
We needed big money help and got food stamps.
Show the players support, mngmt. We’re in this together.
Ned Colletti was the last man on earth to recognize Kemp's talent
You can’t discuss the Pierre signing without talking about how it was done to block Kemp. Ned didn’t believe in him and now feels tricked and is lashing out. What a giant baby.
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