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Our Core is Clueless

Most of our optimism for this season and the future is based on the core of the prospects who dominated the minor leagues in 2005. Some are from the fabled Jacksonville Five, while others like Kemp toiled one league below, and Andre who toiled in someone else system. 

Only eight days ago we were basking in the dominance of our outfield and the play of our SS. As BHShortsguy pointed out our offensive core since the beginning of the Washington National Series has been found wanting.

Kemp .200/.200/.233 – 0 runs scored, 0 RBI
Ethier .217/.333/.261 – 1 run scored, 0 RBI
Loney .222/.250/.259 – 2 runs scored, 0 RBI
Martin – .182/.250/.318 – 1 HR, 2 RBI

You can complain about Garrett Anderson playing instead of Reed Johnson  but Reed Johnson has been nothing more then a fourth outfielder his whole career so the expectations for him should be muted. The weight of the offense sits squarely on the shoulders of those who are now paid to shoulder that weight.

The plain fact is that if the core does not hit, this team is in trouble, and since Manny went out they have been silenced. These are not young prospects anymore. These players have all been seasoned with two appearances in the NLCS. They are facing the worst pitching in the major leagues, and NONE of them are coming up big for a team who needs at least two of them to step up.

You can blame Ned all you want but these are the guys, they must produce. They have to grow up. The season is getting away and if they can't exploit the soft underbelly of the Pirate awful rotation then only the most optimistic will feel they can salvage this season.

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Now that is what we call constructive criticism. You don’t call out the motives of players; you call out the results. Any turnaround has to start with our core.

by kinbote on Apr 30, 2010 8:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Patience

The season’s only 13.5% finished…
They’ll put the pieces together soon. Let’s give ’em time

by Connector on Apr 30, 2010 8:40 AM PDT reply actions  

The time is now

with each loss, that means you have to play that much better when things smooth out. As many have pointed out this is the soft schedule, soon we will actually play good teams. As optimistic as I can be the expectation that we can play .600 ball against good teams is probably unrealistic.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 30, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

the games all count the same

Assume 90 wins is what is needed to get a playoff spot. This team needs to go like 25 games over the rest of the way to hit that now. Does that seem plausible to you right now? You fall say 10 games under .500, you dig yourself the sort of hole teams rarely get out of (yes I understand Colorado did it last year).

by oshea2002 on Apr 30, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does that seem plausible to you right now?

Question: Did starting 8-14 seems plausible to you in March?

by Chad Moriyama on Apr 30, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

25 games seems plausible

but only if we start now. If we are still six games under .500 by the end of this homestand then our chances drop tremendously. I think Eric will be able to show that no LA team ever won more then 90 games after being six games under .500 with 31 games under the belt.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 30, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

true dat!

It’s is plain that these guys aren’t getting it done. You have to think they’re pressing to try to prove they’ve arrived. It needs to turn around soon .

by preacher roe on Apr 30, 2010 8:47 AM PDT reply actions  

We're Not Gonna Take This! After last nights game,

when I watched bits and pieces(what I could stand) of the game, I was hoping for the renewed, home stand loving crew to bust out and show the lowly Pirates who the Dodgers really were and turn the ship around. Instead it was a sad display of lost opportunities and lackluster play. I mean HOLY CRAP!! After reading through the late night comments and this mornings comments, I can see we need a release. You’ve all probably seen this video a million times but please let it speak to your soul again this fine morning, at least watch the introduction again. As you’re listening, just insert the word "bat" for "guitar". Imagine Ned doing the yelling!

Enjoy this psychological release from the stress of watching the Dodgers play baseball this year.

I couldn’t help myself. Just wanted to make sure it didn’t get buried and wanted to share..

by RawhideBlue on Apr 30, 2010 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Phil - awesome post

Very well said. Ned-gate has almost distracted us a bit from some off the field problems. As with any team, if your stars (in this case Kemp and Ethier) don’t perform, you will continue to lose.

by oshea2002 on Apr 30, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions  

go Dodgers!

I’m not giving up hope yet.

let them get their losing streaks in early and hopefully they can finish off strong.I’m not too worried about the Madres staying in 1st for long.

I remember some seasons ago (pre fab 5) they would start strong and finish off weak.

Hopefully, it’s the other way around this season (crossed fingers lol).

by IeatMidgets on Apr 30, 2010 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

losing streak?...

it doesn’t look like a losing streak the way they’ve been playing. Losing streaks come when one or 2 things are not in place: the team is tired, tough opposition, injured heart of the line-up, all while still executing the fundamentals of the game.

The Dodgers haven’t. This isn’t a losing streak, it smells more like a losing season. We’ve won only 2 series (barely) all season long. Its as if they’ve taken a scene out of Major League and are re-enacting it every game.

by DodgerEric on Apr 30, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers have also been home for only six games before last night.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 30, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great stuff Phil

I have another post coming in a few hours that will shed more details. Let’s just say…we miss Manny.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 30, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

No shocker here

but Lebron James will be named MVP Sunday, according to Brian Windhorst. I expect much hand-wringing when it’s not unanimous.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 30, 2010 9:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Shouldn’t it be the team tattooist for the Denver Nuggets? What is up with that team?

by kinbote on Apr 30, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

at least George Karl won’t have to deal with the pesky problem of having to watch the team from his home anymore.

by Eric Stephen on Apr 30, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

With such dreadful play of late, I’m glad that there are some good movies coming out and there is a lot of interesting movie news floating around. I need something to take my mind off of how disappointing this team is.

by OB12 on Apr 30, 2010 9:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Like what?

“Inception” looks like the best of the [usually terrible] summer blockbusters. What else should I be looking for?

by kinbote on Apr 30, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me personally

I am going to see A Nightmare on Elm Street tonight, Iron Man 2 comes out next week and there is a bunch of stuff coming out about Captain America, Thor, and Avengers. In fact, the first picture of Thor was released today and it is seven different kinds of awesome. I am a bit of a fanboy so I am eating this stuff up.

by OB12 on Apr 30, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cool

I’m still waiting for casting to begin on “The Hobbit.” Jamey Carroll would make a good elf.

by kinbote on Apr 30, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that is another one I am following closely.

by OB12 on Apr 30, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I cant wait for IM2 even though everyone says its not as good as the first. I wasn’t looking forward to Thor, thought his story line wouldn’t work with the world Favreau created, but seeing that photo got me real excited.

by kngoworld on Apr 30, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have heard generally good things about IM2.

by OB12 on Apr 30, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Never saw the first

I keep waiting for it to show up on the tube but it hasn’t.

by kinbote on Apr 30, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Find a Redbox tonight and pick it up. The first is great and the second looks to be even better.

by OB12 on Apr 30, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks

I liked “The Dark Knight” quite a bit. I’ll be curious to compare it to IM.

by kinbote on Apr 30, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

That, in so many words, is what's so thoroughly depressing about this year's record so far.

Like just about everybody, I advocated for years — since those Jacksonville days of 2005 — hitching the Dodgers’ long-term future to the prospects. Win or lose, I thought, let’s do it with them; trading them for “proven vets” would just consign the team to mediocrity.

And then we watched them get better and better. And through the first two weeks of this season, they were better than they’d ever been. Then Manny went down and all this happened.

To be fair, it’s only been one bad week for the core. It’s a real, real bad week, one that the team really couldn’t afford to have, to see the entire offense shut down just as the pitching was turning a corner. Teams get “out of sync,” but that really doesn’t describe fully what’s happened to the Dodgers in April.

But to see the core fail the team is so thoroughly disheartening. They’re human beings and like anyone allowed to fail, of course. I won’t boo them; these are the guys I wanted to see. But because I’m so invested in these guys, because I can’t blame Colletti, because there was nothing that really coulda been done to stem these losses or make this hole they’ve dug not so bad — it just makes me feel worse.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 30, 2010 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

they were going to OPS 1.100 all year

by Chad Moriyama on Apr 30, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course not.

It was easy to see that all of them had slumps coming up.

But all of them stop hitting all at the same time? I didn’t see that coming.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 30, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

wouldn’t be the first time i’ve seen the Dodgers do it

with or without manny

i’m not sure what it has to do with your feelings on developing from within though, since the only reason this franchise is relevant is because of those players, either due to trade or their current performance

by Chad Moriyama on Apr 30, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’re right. That was poorly articulated.

I don’t know what I meant. Something like, gawsh, I’d really like to blame Ned Colletti, and instead, it’s the poor play of the Dodgers I Like. Damn.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 30, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess what I mean to say is that the timing of this is what sucks most of all.

1) The pitching was allowed to slump. The Dodgers entered the season missing at least two core members of the pen. During the Washington series, those guys came back at that ship seems to be righting.

2) Each member of the offense is allowed to slump. Of course they weren’t gonna OPS 1100 all year.

3) It really sucks that every member of the offense slumped at the same time, which was just at the same time as Manny, the team’s best hitter, went on the DL, and the pitching was ready to come out of its slump.

4) It’s been one bad week for the offense. The start of the Washington series was one week ago today. Seven games since then with one win. The offense wasn’t as good as they were in the first two weeks and not as bad as they are now. It just sucks because we were all expecting things to turn around in Washington.

5) Timing. We’re depressed about timing.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Apr 30, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Newsflash

Blaming Ned and blaming the players are not compartmentalized feelings.

bhsportsguy can whine about the players all he likes, but he’s doing the exact same thing he’s complaining about just in reverse.

Why act like we aren’t blaming the players? Does he read the game chats? Everytime somebody screws up, are we saying “holy fucking shit why didn’t Ned Colletti hit that ball”? No. I’ve never seen that here or on my site. It’s always “what a boat load of fail that play by Kemp was”.

So what exactly is the issue here?

The players are fucking sucking cock, true.

Ned Colletti is a moron for his comments, and in general, true.

by Chad Moriyama on Apr 30, 2010 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

"compartmentalized feelings"

Is this a baseball blog or a relationship self-help blog? :)

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 30, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still traumatized by the Dodgers winning the World Series when I was 16 (’88). I have never recovered.

by kinbote on Apr 30, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I need to repost this every day until the Dodgers start winning
Crappy stretch of games with offense stymied, defense raggedy, pitching sucky too often, and Colletti crotchety.
I think I have to resurrect this comment of the 2007 season from DodgerThoughts:
414.   Greg Brock                                                           2007-08-14 22:32:38
It’s times like this I wish we had those rooms that therapists have where you go in and swear and
cry and deal with your emotions. But mainly someplace where we could swear.

Show me on the doll where the Dodgers touched you.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 30, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

dude ...

BEST POST EVER!

Ok, the content of that screencap is phenomenal, but what makes it better is that user “Greg Brock” made it. HAHAHAHAHAH!

by Seanny Rotten on Apr 30, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Greg Brock” longtime DT commenter, currently inactive.
BTW, not a screen cap – I formatted it that way.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Apr 30, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's Go Dodgers

You’re right, they are now being paid like real ball-players and should shoulder the responsibility of carrying the team. It was evident the game after we lost Manny that the line-up wasn’t the same anymore. Yet, there are still Manny-haters out there who are upset because he fails to hit a home-run every at-bat (impossible) but his presence has proven to be more than home-runs and wins. His presence in the line-up changes the dynamic of the entire offense, w/o him the opposing pitchers show no respect to our line-up and are mopping the floors with them.

I loathe the idea of admitting the Dodgers are a bonafied last place team who can’t tell the difference between a run scored and a touch-down but lately its begun to look like more of a reality than ever before

by DodgerEric on Apr 30, 2010 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Not sure why money has anything to do with this discussion (That’s right—Ned brought it up). Colletti sure didn’t go out of his way to comment on how underpaid our players were during their 0-3 service years. He never said, “Martin has been a huge force on the team despite the fact he’s making only $400k and we’re running him into the ground.” It’s beyond hypocrisy for money to be an issue now.

by kinbote on Apr 30, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

With these guys only making the league minimum it was unfair to ask of them to carry the team all year long, but we did. They carried the team as far as they could, which was well beyond what they had to, and we couldn’t ask for more. Now the same group of guys are being paid 4-6 Million a season [given money doesn’t improve a player] but it does bare with it more responsibility and accountability.

by DodgerEric on Apr 30, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Xei -

does your simulator say how many games it takes to win West now?

by delias man on Apr 30, 2010 9:59 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m not really setup for that kind of exercise right now. Give me a couple of days and I will try to put something together.

by Xeifrank on Apr 30, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not that big of a deal…

by delias man on Apr 30, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

To top it off...

Mets, Nats, and Pirates… Really? What happens when we play the Cards or the AL east?

I really miss Hudson…

by Joseph Peter Falinski on Apr 30, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Hudson

DeWitt’s been fine…especially with Belliard behind him.
Run production has come inordinately from the OF spots, and Manny being out has a ripple effect.
Better production from LF reduces the damage.
Carrol needs to be given the P-T to see how he does at SS in Furry’s absense.

Both Manny and Raffy will be back in days or a couple of weeks, rendering this lull period moot.

Its up to management to maximize this downtime.

Ripping Kemp in the media puts negative energy on the Bison. Booing. Pressure.

Thats the opposite of what these kids need.

But Hudson in, DeWitt/Belliard out wouldn’t have won one game IMO.

by megaballs on Apr 30, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Slumps happen every year

Its up to management to shake things up. Its up to the GM to bring up a player or two or make a trade.Or get out of the way.
LF is an important bat. Play Reed, PH GA only. that’s what he was brought here for …if Reed is not the player to go with in Manny’s absense, versus a LHP especially, then give XPaul a shot. Youth can bring a spark and this team is flat.
You can’t argue that the "core’ is in a season-long slump. Its only April. I’ll take Kemp, Ethier, Blake over most any team for a full year.
Its up to management to cajole, to sit, to infuse confidence…slumps come and go…pitchers and hitters need to make adjustments…no time to panic…do your jobs Torre, Mattingley, Honeycutt and Ned.

by megaballs on Apr 30, 2010 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Kensai - what I think is moronic

is how big a deal you are making over Ned’s comments.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 30, 2010 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Winning Streak

I’ve never really bought into the notion that losing a great player only costs a team around 5 wins. Manny’s being out of the lineup can’t be underestimated. We go from one of the best offenses in the NL to average.

However, the big issue with our having a long winning streak is the starting pitching. For a long winning streak to occur, Bills, Kershaw, and Kuroda have all got to be consistently excellent for several weeks. Those 3 are the ones that have to lead the way.

by Duranimal on Apr 30, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

At this point, one game would constitute a long winning streak!

by kinbote on Apr 30, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the magnitude of this streak is being amplified a bit because its the start of the season.

If we had this same streak in the middle of June or July, I think it would seem less troublesome. Its only April, so I still have plenty of optimism that things can be turned around.

That being said, I agree with what Phil Gurnee said in regards to this being an easy part of our schedule where we should be picking up wins. Things are only going to get tougher when we have the toughest interleague schedule of any NL team and I don’t think home/road games can be an excuse when you’re playing perennial last place teams.

by BFDC on Apr 30, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

It would not be troublesome

if the streak was in June if we had a good record going into it. Because of this slow start if the Dodgers want to make the playoffs they can no longer afford another streak like they have had in the past in Aug when the bats go silent. The cushion is gone, once they straighten out they have win at a prodigious clip.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Apr 30, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree to an extent

but we are only 6 games out. The Pads or Giants could just as easily fall off any time in the near future and the Rockies and Dbacks aren’t playing much better than we are.

by BFDC on Apr 30, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent rant, Phil. Unfortunately for the Dodgers, all things you said are justified. I hope they can all get their act together soon.

and on the 93rd postseason of the National Hockey League, the Slovakian-hockeygod Zeus commanded from high atop Mount Figueroa..."RELEASE THE MEAT TRAIN!" And it was good.

by DodgerBlueBalls on Apr 30, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Trying to be positive...

I remember the 2008 NLCS Dodgers losing 8 straight (part of a 2-11 stretch that included a sweep to the Nats). They then won 8 in a row as part of a 19-8 close to that season. That was the first year I ever had season tickets and after the sweep to the Nats I can remember feeling like I didn’t want to go to any games. That’s kind of the way I feel now. I’m still debating whether or not I want to go to tonight’s game or stay home and watch the Lakers. I feel like a bad Dodger fan, but it’s so depressing over there right now.

by CerroGordo on Apr 30, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

BTW

That 2008 Dodger team spent the majority of the season under .500 and at one point was 7 games below .500. Please please please turn it around.

by CerroGordo on Apr 30, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just to add my two cents....

I think a lot of the angst is due to HOW this team is losing. They look flat and listless, are making boneheaded, rookie mistakes, and doing a lot of little things that beat themselves. Those things happen, but they are especially frustrating for a critical fanbase.

by BlueBulldog on Apr 30, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

4 shutouts

since the 17th is hard to swallow for any team

by Joseph Peter Falinski on Apr 30, 2010 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

a simple yet brilliant post

It seems that too many on ALL Dodger boards- whether one of the more advanced one (TBLA, DT) or…let’s just say the not quite as advanced ones (Dodgers.com, etc.) have a tendency to beat up on whatever player they already decided beforehand that they can’t stand (Billingsley, Juan Pierre, GA)- or front office guy, for that matter (McCourt, Colletti)- and just put the blame on him/them. Right now, they ALL suck, and they need to get their acts together. Period.

by sarcastro9 on Apr 30, 2010 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

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