Unacceptable
by coachbudd on Apr 5, 2010 6:15 PM PDT
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Its absolutely unacceptable to have Vicente Padilla as our number four starter. Just because he had some flukey starts last September and October doesn't mean that the rest of his track record means nothing. Maybe if we had a proven bonafide ace it would be ok.
The errors and the missed opportunities were embarrassing, the team looked like absolute garbage today.
Maybe I'm just frustrated but a team in LA should not have a payroll that is lower than the Minnesota Twins.
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His track records suggests he is a fourth starter
not sure what you expect of a fourth starter but he fits the bill.
Other teams number four
Jason Hammel
Ian Kennedy
Barry Zito
Jurrjens
Gorzelanny
Baily
Volstad
Myers
Bush
Maine
Kendrick
Morton
Richard
Penny
Hernandez
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Considering we're the Dodgers
I’m not sure if that’s the best evidence. :o
There are quite a bit more promising pitchers on that list.
by Chad Moriyama on Apr 6, 2010 5:19 AM PDT up reply actions
No kidding
as I was creating the list I was realizing the pitching is not as bad in 2010 as it was in 2009 but I was already committed.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
cheer up
we looked pretty horrible, but I found meaningless stats on baseball-reference.com that made me feel a little better. The last 2 world series winners lost their first games. 5 of the last 8 winners lost their first games; and 9 of the last 18 lost their first games. I know it means nothing except for just letting time tell how well this team (along with padilla) will perform.
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
I agree
He should be our 5th starter.
Unless the Dodgers magically grow an infield, pitching will be the way to the pennant.
The Dodger offense is hittingn .306 / .359 / .417
so there is that.
The 2008 Phillies didn’t start the year with a “bona fide” “proven” ace either, but they won the World Series, and Cole Hamels grew into the role. The Dodgers have two shots at something like that with Billingsley and Kershaw.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
defense
our infield d is shaky, losing Hudson and adding Dewitt……huge drop off
Padilla is just OK, the fact that we have spent hardly any money and don’t have that guy in the front of our rotation that is a no doubter just drives me nuts, and to follow him with Haeger? We don’t need that absolute shut down guy but having wolf or Derek Lowe back is exactly what we need.
How is DeWitt a "huge drop off"
DeWitt is just a big question. There are several reasons to believe, DeWitt will be offensively superior or equal to Hudson, and he could be very solid at 2nd defensively. He could be a complete disaster. But he hasn’t really given any reason to lean that way yet.
Disagree
Wolf had a great year last year. Before that it had been six or seven years since he pitched a major load with any quality. His last full season with an ERA+ greater than 100 was 2002. Lowe went for a pretty big price and was pretty poor in his first season with the Braves. He didn’t exactly get off to a great start this year either. What we need is for the players we have to play up to their potential.
I was speaking defensively, you cant compare hudsons gold gloves to DeWitts position transition.
I read your guys replies and many of you sound like Dodger apologists. I just expect more from a team that is from the SECOND LARGEST market in the country. I love our young players and we should keep them all. When we sign high priced free agents they always seem to be the guy with major question marks. Jones, Schmidt, etc. There is no excuse for the Dodgers not having a payroll with the Yankees and Red Sox and thats the bottom line. Shoot the stadium is paid off!
Most people are kind of over whining about how the Dodgers don’t spend money.
That’s a fun off-story topic, but now we get to actually watch baseball games.
by Michael White on Apr 6, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Shoot the stadium is paid off!
No, it’s not. McCourt’s purchase of the Dodgers, including DS, was highly leveraged and the debt service that they have to pay every year is a major factor in why the Dodgers don’t have the kind of money to spend that you would like to see spent. I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that the renovations to DS were all done with borrowed money as well.
There is also no LA equivalent to the YES Network, or NESN for the Red Sox, both significant sources of revenue for the teams you’d like the Dodgers to emulate.
As to “apologists”: I prefer to think of myself as a realist.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Huh?
The stadium is paid off.
The team on the other hand . . . is basically the banks. Not sure if the bank would do a better job running the team, still praying for a sale.
McCourt bought the stadium and the franchise as a package deal
He owes money on the deal. I don’t recall reading anything that said that the all of the debt has the franchise as collateral and none of the debt is on the stadium and property.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
So far you have offered that the Dodgers need to be spending $60-100 million more than they are right now and suggested no players besides Derek Lowe and Randy Wolf on which this should be spent. It is possible to intelligently build a high quality team without tossing huge amounts of money at every free agent on the market. It even makes a team - wait for it -—- more fun to watch.
I also take it when you call us “apologists” that you mean “informed and well reasoned.”
I realize Kershaw is young and needs to gain more command to reduce his pitch count and get deeper into starts, but over the past two seasons, he sure keeps company with a whole bunch of aces.
Starters with OPS allowed of .666 or less 2008-2009:
Rk Player OPS BA OBP SLG OPS+
1 Tim Lincecum .587 .214 .284 .303 57
2 Jake Peavy .634 .224 .293 .341 79
3 CC Sabathia .638 .235 .289 .350 70
4 Roy Halladay .644 .247 .280 .364 71
5 Rich Harden .645 .208 .298 .347 70
6 Dan Haren .650 .236 .273 .378 68
7 Clayton Kershaw .656 .226 .322 .334 81
8 Josh Johnson .657 .248 .305 .352 76
9 Zack Greinke .661 .243 .292 .370 75
10 Adam Wainwright .661 .244 .296 .364 78
11 Felix Hernandez .662 .243 .310 .352 77
12 Ubaldo Jimenez .662 .237 .326 .337 73
13 Hiroki Kuroda .665 .249 .293 .373 81
14 Cliff Lee .666 .263 .296 .370 78
15 Johan Santana .666 .237 .290 .376 79
For 2009 only, Kershaw was third in the majors with a .588 OPS allowed, allowing .200 / .306 / .282, 63 OPS+.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
damn
imagine if he kept his walks a little lower… then his OBP against wouldnt be as high and his OPS would be EVEN lower…. wow just wow kershaw i loveyou
i agree with this
a team in LA should not have a payroll that is lower than the Minnesota Twins.
Padilla isnt anything spectacular and thats why he is our fourth starter in the rotation.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
The A's Play In the Fifth Largest Market In America...
The Marlins play in the eighth largest market. The Astros play in America’s fourth largest city. It is time to retire this nonsense about market size correlating with payroll. Business is a lot more complicated than that.
As for the Twins payroll - look, the Twins are owned one of the wealthiest families in America, a family with a great deal more money than the McCourts. If the Twins owners want to lavish some of their funds on their team to celebrate the new stadium, that is their affair, but they ARE going to be losing a lot of money. Dodger fans cannot reasonably demand the McCourts’ purposely lose money on the Dodgers just because the Twins owners have decided to lose money on their team for one year (and it will probably just be the one year, the year of the new stadium).
I think you are stretching it with the crazy owners loosing money
Baseball is the #1 sports revenue generator in the world. The Dodgers are at least in the top 3-7 revenue generators in MLB. That’s a lot of money.
What the heck are you talking about?
At the start of the season, you have to expect old pitchers like Padilla or Kuroda to have shakey starts. The pitching looked shakey, but that wasn’t a surprise.
Martin’s error was also predictable, but that is the price the Dodgers have to pay since they don’t have a replacement for him.
12 hits on opening day is pretty good chubasco. And, Kershaw is our opening day pitcher, so today is the real opening day.
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