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Xavier Paul Removed From AAA Game; To Replace Ethier?

Xavier Paul was removed for a pinch hitter in the third inning in the Albuquerque Isotopes' game in Salt Lake City, fueling speculation that he will be called up to replace Andre Ethier, who may have to be placed on the disabled list.  For now though, nothing has been confirmed, and it's all just speculation.

In San Diego, Clayton Kershaw has been great, again.  He has allowed one run through six innings, so far.  4-1 Dodgers, mid 7th...

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that’s brutal, what exactly happened?

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 7:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Batting Practice?

Possible broken finger?

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on May 15, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jammed pinky

See previous thread for a bit more details. Could just be minor but sounds like he’s out for a bit. Not on batting/throwing hand but still need it to swing. No details yet. Came during batting practice.

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s always a chance he was traded, too.

by silverwidow on May 15, 2010 7:43 PM PDT reply actions  

or they’re going to get rid of Anderson

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is almost no chance of either of those things, at least tonight

by Eric Stephen on May 15, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’m not sure of the logistics, but Paul has speed and showed he can hit – Anderson can do neither, seems to be obvious

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

But by the same token, they wouldn’t need to pull Paul out of the game if they were going to call him up to replace Ethier.

by dsm9412 on May 15, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure they would

if he’s coming up to the big club, they don’t want him risking getting hurt in a meaningless AAA game

by Eric Stephen on May 15, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

our 5-hitter? But he hit a triple tonight. That’ll buy him at least a month.

by StolenMonkey86 on May 15, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

but isn’t Jeromy Burnitz a free agent?

by StolenMonkey86 on May 15, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

For Granick?

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

This Kershaw guy might turn out to be ok.

by UCLADodger32 on May 15, 2010 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Ok I can only do that gag once I think, by rule...

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, but it was a running gag in the movie

by StolenMonkey86 on May 15, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very well

Gentlemen, please rest your sphincters.

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question?

What chance do the Dodgers have of getting Oswalt this season? Before you say “Zero” tell me why?

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on May 15, 2010 7:46 PM PDT reply actions  

NedCo don’t buy low.

by StolenMonkey86 on May 15, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

After July 31, Oswalt has a minimum of $23.2 million remaining on his contract

by Eric Stephen on May 15, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't stop him from overpaying in the past

Does he have a leash “officially” this season?

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on May 15, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Its times like these you wish the Dodgers overspent in this one case.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on May 15, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Frank wil get custody of

Roy Oswalt in the divorce ruling.

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Somebody get a bottle of Cabo Wabo

Send it to Jamie with a love note! Once Frank gets wind of it, its a done deal!

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on May 15, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at what the Dodgers did this offseason. That should answer your question.

by dsm9412 on May 15, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better not take on that contract.

I know he would cost more in terms of prospects but Cliff Lee should the #1 target.

by Bison27 on May 15, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

His contract

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was a good shot of the bullpen

all just standing and watching Kershaw’s virtuoso performance.

by Eric Stephen on May 15, 2010 7:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice play by the Semi-Beard!

And I give Kid K a standing O here at home.

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Beautiful play by blake. Another awesome performance by clayton

by UCLADodger32 on May 15, 2010 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Troncoso would be my bet

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does Paul have a realistic shot to replace Manny as the Dodgers starting left fielder next year?

by dsm9412 on May 15, 2010 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

In our dreams. I think they already make Crawford Yankee jerseys.

by UCLADodger32 on May 15, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's OK

there are plenty of kids in Ethiopian villages that need new shirts :)

by Eric Stephen on May 15, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm dreaming of Werth thankyouverymuch

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m just wondering if he’s going to get the DeWitt treatment.

by dsm9412 on May 15, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

What, moved someplace where his bat actually plays, then spend another two seasons in the minors? Paul just ain’t a good enough hitter to be a starting left fielder, his upside is basically David DeJesus with a bit more speed.

That might play in CF, but not LF.

by EMDarrow on May 15, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not advocating that Paul get the job, I was just posing the question to the more informed fans out there.

By “DeWitt treatment,” I just meant that are the Dodgers going to not give him the job but not go and get anyone who is a better left fielder than him.

by dsm9412 on May 15, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the general consensus (and of course things could change) is that

XPaul could make a very good 4th outfielder. Which isn’t an insult. I think he can be quite good as a role player. And I like him. But I don’t think he’s viewed as a potential everyday player for the Dodgers. (And again, I could still see him becoming a starter, but he needs to work on a few more things.)

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kershaw is awesome. Those who were whining about the Milwaukee game are just impatient jerks.

by silverwidow on May 15, 2010 7:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Teapot, Kettle

How does Kershaw compare to Brett Anderson now :)

by Eric Stephen on May 15, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t agree. That’s like comparing Miss Universe to Miss World.

by silverwidow on May 15, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

It doesn’t matter, neither one has anything on Strasburg :P

by Ivdown on May 15, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean he’s not already beginning to decline?

by dsm9412 on May 15, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hello all. Good to see us in the lead. Silverwidow, I did have a moment where I questioned CK and for that I am sorry. He is the man and I suck as a fan….. :-)

by keithc13 on May 15, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Friar Franks...instead of Dodger Dogs! Get it?

lame

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on May 15, 2010 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Dear Joe,

We would like to see a Dodger pitcher have a complete game

Regards,

The Bullpen and every Dodger fan

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Not this game, no thank you. Kershaw has pitched 2 8 inning games in his MLB career, and there’s good reason for it. If his pitch count was near 90 rather than 110, sure, let him go out there for at least the 8th. I dont want him throwing 150 pitches tonight.

by Ivdown on May 15, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

disagree

Just a little, I don’t think it is a big deal for the guys to throw complete games; just needed to go longer.

by bhsportsguy on May 15, 2010 7:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

so far, the Ethier injury

has a bit of the same feel as the Kershaw injury last year. (ie. A freak injury on the non-critical side during practice, day-to-day, etc.)

by sarcastro9 on May 15, 2010 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Gotta sit Kershaw

after 110

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on May 15, 2010 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Absolutely — big picture.

by DukeAndDuke on May 15, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s silly.
Keep sending him out there, he’s having a great game.
Yours Truly,

Dusty Baker

by StolenMonkey86 on May 15, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

"I agree!"

Love,
Scott Proctor

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

no you don’t, it’s May and he’s young

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’m really glad you arent managing this team.

by UCLADodger32 on May 15, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

pitch counts are way overrated, sick and tired of hearing about them – if they really counted, they would count their warm up pitches between innings too

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nolan Ryan, is that you?

by Ivdown on May 15, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

If there had been pitch counts in the 60's

Koufax would have pitched until he was 38, rather than 30

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on May 15, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

yet he wouldn’t have had the type of career he did because the pitch count would’ve been in the back of his head and the managers head.

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a bit of a stretch, I think.

by dsm9412 on May 15, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

so you are saying

an extra 8 years or so wouldn’t have padded his statistics? That’s crazy talk

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on May 15, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry if I want Kershaw to be able to pitch after another decade from now

but in May we don’t need him going out there in the 8th (without a no hitter) with 110 pitches already. The best I could see happening is going out there with the “first base runner allowed I’m yanking you” routine.

by Ivdown on May 15, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually they’ve found that it’s worse for younger pitchers to run pitch counts really high, for the same reason that you don’t have high school kids throw a steady diet of curveballs (see Nick Adenhart’s TJ surgery). And a game in May really doesn’t mean that much (see Steinbrenner’s complaining nickname of Dave Winfield as “Mr. May”).

by StolenMonkey86 on May 15, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t want to see September 2009 Manny again.

by dsm9412 on May 15, 2010 7:53 PM PDT reply actions  

well, it's only one night

he’ll be off tomorrow.

I’m sure Ted Leitner is pleased, though!

by sarcastro9 on May 15, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, the "good" news is

they all looked pretty silly there. Maybe the pitcher was just really good there!

by sarcastro9 on May 15, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loney looked terrible there

Not as bad as the bases loaded at bat…but I’m not sure he could look much worse than that anyway

by Ivdown on May 15, 2010 7:55 PM PDT reply actions  

well, all of them did

maybe the pitcher had really good stuff. hopefully, too little too late

by sarcastro9 on May 15, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The whole side struck out so collectively I'm cutting the trio some slack

Plus he’s had a good series

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is zero reason for Kershaw to pushed into a CG tonight

except for people who have him on their fantasy teams. And fantasy baseball does not care about people’s arms.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on May 15, 2010 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I do too!

I need Clayton’s stats for the whole season. :)

by Jesse S. on May 15, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

or if you would like to see how he reacts on a little bit of stress before the post season. but if you’re one of those types that likes to see a young kid crumble under pressure again in the playoffs, that makes more sense

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because clayton has never pitched under pressure, right? What a a joke.

by UCLADodger32 on May 15, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

right, never deep in games and never under a little bit of body stress. it is a joke

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

physical stress or mental stress? There’s a bit of a difference.

by StolenMonkey86 on May 15, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kershaw is more likely to "crumble" in the playoffs if he's pitched way too many innings

in the regular season. Given his age it wouldn’t be a psychological thing as much as an arm thing. This really isn’t the argument here.

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: NC Dodger

How were guys able to pitch incredible amounts of innings year in and year out and still have long careers? Were they just not throwing as hard?

by Jesse S. on May 15, 2010 8:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I think

the long careers were the exception, not the rule. For every Nolan Ryan, you had half a dozen J.R. Richards

by Greg Stephen on May 15, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Different strokes for different folks, I guess

by Eric Stephen on May 15, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

I’m continually amazed when peopole say the way players were treated 40 years ago was better.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on May 15, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

you think Kershaw will be a Dodger for 20 years?

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah good point. I was looking up some of the bigger names of the 20th century and blown away by how many innings they were throwing each year.

by Jesse S. on May 15, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

instead of going on pitch counts you keep in good shape, stretch correctly and go until you start to “feel it”. if you’ve pitched before, you know what that means.

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

so you are saying

players today don’t keep in shape and stretch correctly?

Cite examples please

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on May 15, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

every situation is going to be different, even 10 years ago pitchers were different. the pitch counts weren’t so prevalent.

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, because relying on a pitcher when to tell you he is done is the best strategy. In high school I was in shape, had good mechanics, and was a decently recruited mid to high major prospect. I would never ask to come out of the game because i hated leaving the field and threw complete games almost every start. i was rewarded with a torn labrum that ended my career.

by UCLADodger32 on May 15, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

And...scene.

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

you have the trust the pitcher to trust himself, maybe that’s the situation with Kershaw. I’m not asking for every game to be a CG, but for the love of Walter O’Malley, 1 game on occasion wouldn’t kill him. Especially if he can keep it under 130-140 pitches

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

But if pitch counts don’t matter, why cap it at 140? ;-)

by Jesse S. on May 15, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol, pitch count matters to teams now a days – trying to justify it to Joe, I’m sure he’s going to read this thread after the game

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joe, you see SD couldn’t hit a beach ball, shoulda kept Kershaw in.

Regards,
Scotty Smalls

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You do realize that no pitcher in baseball has thrown 130 pitches year, correct? and you want out 22 year old phenom to throw 125 pitches in a meaningless game in May. That might be one of the single most idiotic statements I’ve read in a really long time.

by UCLADodger32 on May 15, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

should say 130 pitches in a game

by UCLADodger32 on May 15, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

phenom? seriously? you drink that koolaid too?

by NC Dodger on May 15, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

And… whatever credibility you had left just died.

by EMDarrow on May 15, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

What the hell is wrong with you?

Seriously, do you REALLY actually like the Giants?

by Ivdown on May 15, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing to think about is

pitchers still get hurt. If anything they still throw MORE pitches than they should on average, not less. Now you can take the attitude that they are expendable resources, but I like to think they are still human

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on May 15, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm willing to grant that you can go until you start to feel it

But you run into problems here:
1) Major league pitchers don’t want to be pulled from the game. Unless they’re on their way to the locker room to cry from pain or embarassment. They have little incentive to say they’re feeling tired.
2) Managers and pitching coaches can’t read minds, even if they look into the player’s eyes. If they leave it up to the player to say when to take him out (unless he’s not doing so well), then you’re risking more injury or poor performance.

You could argue also, that they should count certain types of pitches – is it the same wear to throw a spitter, a curveball, and a fastball? After all, don’t pitchers that throw a lot of curveballs seem to get injured more?

Each player will have a different body, sure. But pitch counts allow for some objective, albeit imperfect, way to determine how worn out a player is.

by StolenMonkey86 on May 15, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

He needs to make it quick

Don’t let the Pod People have even the hope of a pull it out from behind.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on May 15, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pod People?! Ack!

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course

Gonzales is the last out.

by dsm9412 on May 15, 2010 8:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Six in a row and three back!

by dsm9412 on May 15, 2010 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Woo hoo!

Great streak Blue!

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by underdog on May 15, 2010 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Need the sweep

That would really get us feeling good.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on May 15, 2010 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Horrible move yanking Kershaw. Can we get a guy who can manage?

by DukeAndDuke on May 15, 2010 8:17 PM PDT reply actions  

The Friars have a releiver named BOHICA????

Wow…I just thought that was their feeling when they see Broxton coming into the game.

by KellyStephen on May 15, 2010 8:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Martin’s gotta get a day off, right?

by KellyStephen on May 15, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The plan was already to give Manny, Martin, and Blake the day off, so yes

by Eric Stephen on May 15, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

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