Dodgers See End of Streak, End of Ortiz?
by Eric Stephen on May 19, 2010 10:59 PM PDT
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The Dodgers' nine-game winning streak came to an end tonight, at the hands of the Padres, who put a 10-5 whooping on Ramon Ortiz and friends at Dodger Stadium.
About a week and a half ago, manager Joe Torre said he would prefer starting Ramon Ortiz over Carlos Monasterios because of the veteran status of Ortiz. After Ortiz allowed two runs in relief of Charlie Haeger's no-out start, Torre had this to say:
"Right now, just to try to stabilize, we'll probably go with more experience in Ortiz, if I needed that starter. Last night, he threw 83 pitches and was ready to go out there again. That, I can't ask [Carlos] Monasterios to do; he's younger and doesn't know his body as well. Ortiz seems to have a rubber arm."
It might be time to put that rubber arm on the Springfield Tire Fire, or anywhere other than the Dodger rotation. Ortiz lasted just 3 1/3 innings tonight, allowing five runs and nine baserunners. In two starts, both against the Padres, Ortiz has given up 11 hits, eight runs, and six walks in just 7 1/3 innings, with five strikeouts. On the season, Ortiz has allowed 49 baserunners and 21 earned runs in 30 innings.
Luckily for the Dodgers, they don't have to worry about this spot in the rotation for a while. With Monday's off day, they don't need a fifth starter until Saturday, May 29 in Colorado. If there were ever a time for James McDonald, Scott Elbert, or even Josh Lindblom to step up and claim a rotation spot, this is it. Carlos Monasterios, who has turned into the forgotten man in the bullpen, could get a shot, too. Basically, as long as it's not Ramon Ortiz, the Dodgers will be better for it.
If there was a way to feel terrible about only scoring four runs in five innings off someone, the Dodgers felt that way tonight. Jon Garland pitched five Ortizian innings, allowing 12 baserunners himself, throwing 117 pitches. But the Dodgers plated only four runs, leaving eight men on base in those five innings. Manny Ramirez, who was a late scratch from tonight's lineup after injuring his left foot during warmups, pinch hit in the fifth inning with two runners on base, down 8-4, but Garland struck out Manny, getting him to swing and miss and two fastballs to finish the inning.
After the game, Torre told reporters Manny hurt his foot pregame while “getting his legs loose” by swinging them, when he hit his toe on a table. X-rays came back negative.
Starter Breakdown
Through 40 games, here's a breakdown of the Dodger starters this season, which shows a gaping hole in the fifth starter spot:
| Dodger Starters in 2009 | |||||||||||
| Role | Starter(s) | GS | Tm W-L | IP | H | R | ER | BB | K | ERA | WHIP |
| #1 | Kuroda | 8 | 7-1 | 53.1 | 54 | 24 | 17 | 14 | 39 | 2.87 | 1.275 |
| #2 | Kershaw | 8 | 5-3 | 45.2 | 33 | 18 | 18 | 29 | 52 | 3.55 | 1.358 |
| #3 | Billingsley | 8 | 4-4 | 44.2 | 44 | 23 | 20 | 19 | 39 | 4.03 | 1.410 |
| #4 | Padilla/Ely | 8 | 4-4 | 47.1 | 46 | 28 | 26 | 9 | 48 | 4.94 | 1.162 |
| #5 | Haeger/Monasterios/Ortiz | 8 | 2-6 | 29.2 | 37 | 34 | 30 | 26 | 26 | 9.10 | 2.124 |
Notes
- Before the game, Torre said Vicente Padilla played long toss today, throwing about 40 tosses. Padilla is scheduled to throw off a mound Thursday for the first time since being placed on the disabled list
- Torre also said Rafael Furcal, still on the disabled list with a tight left hamstring, had a good workout today, feeling no problems after running. Furcal will have similar workouts over the next two days, then the club will decide Furcal's next step this weekend, likely a another rehabilitation assignment
- Casey Blake followed a night of a home run and two singles with...another night with a home run and two singles. As Vin Scully noted in the ninth inning, "Maybe the beard is working."
- Ramon Troncoso, who allowed three home runs all of last season, allowed back-to-back dingers tonight to Adrian Gonzalez and Chase Headley, Troncoso's second and third home runs allowed this season
- Monasterios, who last pitched over a week ago, pitched three scoreless innings tonight, lowering his ERA to 1.90 on the season
- Matt Stairs stole a base in the Padres' five-run fourth inning, his first steal since June 7, 2008, a span of 191 games
- Russell Martin hit a double in the first inning to extend his hitting streak to 14 games, during which he is hitting .304/.371/.446 with 10 runs scored. It was the first time in 13 tries this season that Martin has led off the game by getting on base.
- Jeff Weaver entered the game in relief in the fourth inning, and got a base hit while batting in the bottom of the inning. It was just the 13th hit by a relief pitcher in major league baseball this season. Dodger pitchers entered the night with three singles in 70 at-bats this season.
- Will Venable had four hits for the Padres, including two doubles and a triple
- Adrian Gonzalez drove in a career high six runs for San Diego
- Since Staples Center opened in the 1999-2000 NBA season, the Dodgers are 17-20 in games at Dodger Stadium on the same night as a Lakers' home playoff game. The Lakers are 33-4 in such games, including their win tonight over Phoenix in Game 2 of the Western Conference Finals.
The second and final game of the series with San Diego is another rematch, with Clayton Kershaw and Kevin Correia facing off tomorrow night.
WP - Jon Garland (5-2): 5 IP, 9 hits, 4 runs, 2 walks, 4 strikeouts
LP - Ramon Ortiz (1-2): 3 1/3 IP, 6 hits, 5 runs, 3 walks, 1 strikeout
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grouping Padilla and Ely in that 4th spot
makes Padilla look more decent.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " - Benjamin Franklin
It wasn't just for that reason
Ely literally took Padilla’s spot in the rotation.
by Eric Stephen on May 19, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
and if Padilla keeps pitching like he has been pitching (6 walks, 23 strikeouts, 3.92 x-FIP), he will be fine this season
by Eric Stephen on May 19, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Padilla also hasn't given up a run in a month!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on May 20, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ortiz
is not fit to wear a dodger uniform. His spot should go to either Elbert or JMac – regardless of their AAA struggles. They’ve earned major league time by now and they should sink or swim NOW.
On a lighter note, don’t dwell on this game WHEN YOU CAN TAKE A TOTALLY COOL POLL OVER AT SILVERSCREENANDROLL.COM the Lakers sbnation site!
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/5/19/1480041/poll-who-will-get-biggest-applause My vote is for Phil Jackson.
maybe
monasterious gets his spot after 3 shutout innings
by matthewmafa on May 19, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
ortiz is done
i have no idea how he did so well in spring training…
his fastball sucks.. his change? that 84 mph BS sucks and his slider is decent but when you have nothing else it sucks
DFA Ortiz
He has served his purpose for the year. Time to part ways. Take GA with you. I came into the game 8-5. I’m glad i missed most of it
by Skunkburner on May 19, 2010 11:17 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
GA
he is really bad.. i wonder how he still has a job in the bigs with the dodgers…
but then i just think of mark sweeney and how he was up with the dodgers all year even though eh sucks so bad
by matthewmafa on May 19, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Joe Torre said Manny hurt his foot pregame while “getting his legs loose” by swinging them, when he hit his toe on a table; x-rays negative
Holy crap that poll is awesome!
Well done sir, well done! I cracked up when I saw that and am still laughing. I hope Joe sees this
That's not an option sir! ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
The only thing that could make that poll better was a note that said 100% Zero “POLL CLOSED!” 100% of all precincts reporting!!!!!!
by RawhideBlue on May 20, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought about adding other options:
- zero
- less than one
- fewer than James Loney
But decided against it
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
The beauty
is in the simplicity.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on May 20, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
High-lair-ee-us
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on May 20, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
to add insult to injury
Before the game, I finally paid attention to my long neglected Fantasy League team. (first time I’ve ever joined a league) The move I made? Taking A-Gon out of my lineup for Loney. Great timing.
Speaking of timing, on another personal note, I’m going my first true Dodger game tonight. (2 end-of-spring exhibition games and a Citi Field debacle, freezing weather in all 3, don’t count). The Dodgers were gonna lose a game eventually. Mine as well get the suckiness out with the #5 starter on the mound. Just wish it didn’t have to be against the 1st place (?!!!) Padres.
Dear John Kruk
Ramon Ortiz provides the perfect example of why those “dot.com guys” sometimes have more of a clue than than the pros.
by Little Blue Bicycle on May 20, 2010 5:09 AM PDT reply actions
It’s from one of his rants the other day.
by Little Blue Bicycle on May 20, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions
"You can take your OPS and your VORP!"
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I think it has something to do with living in your parent’s basement?
by CarolinaDodger on May 20, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
At least we are not paying him like Dice-K
by robotmadeofnails on May 20, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
One thing that's kind of funny (but not really)
If Withrow had started this year in AA as he finished in AA last season, this blog would be on fire right now screaming for a Withrow call up.
I still say screw it, and just give it to McDonald.
Disappointed
in McDonald or in the fact he won’t get the call?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Kinda glad I missed the last 2/3 of the game.
A friend of mine just came back to LA and dropped by to visit.
At least it was our #5 starter.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
by Maddz on May 20, 2010 8:10 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
suggested new stat: WARO
I’m probably just bitter about us needing to trot Ramon Ortiz out there as a starter, but how about this stat? It stands for Wins Above Replacement Owner. We take the Dodgers payroll vs what it reasonably should be for a team in LA. Next Allocate that difference to players we could have honestly expected to have signed last offseason. Then, find the difference in WAR between that player and who we ended up with needing to start.
For example, if we expect the Dodgers should have a $110 million payroll with an average owner, then we would have $14 million to upgrade our team. We could take $8 million of that to upgrade all of our starts from Haeger and Ortiz to Randy Wolf. So far, that would have been about half a win (would be more if Wolf was playing halfway decent).
I am half kidding with this and I know it has a whole lot of assumptions, but the idea is at the end of the year you could add back in any negative WARO to your record to see if you would have made the playoffs with a real owner.
Ugh.
Dodgers lost a game, time to start teeing off on the McCourts again.
by Michael White on May 20, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know it is predictable and I was quiet about that during the win streak. I just think they deserve to be teed off on.
by CarolinaDodger on May 20, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
That costs prospects though which he could have saved by signing a free agent.
by CarolinaDodger on May 20, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Vin Vin Vin Vin ...
WHAT IS WITH YOUR ODD MAN CRUSH ON BUD BLACK?
“Bud Black if you remember was a FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE pitcher in his day.”
No. No he wasn’t. Barely average over his career is far more accurate.
How is average not a fine pitcher?
From 1984 – 1987 when the Royals were relevant he was a mainstay on a great staff. He had an ERA+ over 110 seven times in his career and three times it was over 125. Pitchers suck at the end of their careers using their career numbers to define them is not a great way of calculating what they accomplished in their career.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
As long as we all agree that Brett Tomko was a fine painter, Bernie Williams a classical guitarist, and Miguel Batista a poet/philosopher.
Jeremiah the Bullfrog always had some mighty fine wine.
by Little Blue Bicycle on May 20, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Richie Hebner
world-class grave digger.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on May 20, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a little surprised I didn't see Eric pick up on this
Bob Timmermann tweeted this, obviously while Monestarios was in the game and before Sherrill entered.
The four Dodger pitchers tonight have worn 35, 36, 37, and 38. Roy Campanella will not be pitching.
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Wow
I am ashamed for missing that note.
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m guessing Fernando (unofficially) wouldn’t have pitched either :)
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Angel Pagan hit an inside-the-park HR and started a triple play yesterday. Sweet.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I missed it
what’s the significance of this?
by Seanny Rotten on May 20, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing much
except that
1) Ayala was in ABQ until Monday, when he was granted his release after exercising his opt out clause, for not being called up tot he Dodgers
2) the D-Backs bullpen sucks, so he fits in perfectly with them
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Blake DeWitt - a new approach?
through April 22: .268/.412/.268, 0 XBH, 10 BB, 4 K in 51 PA
Apr 23 – present: .275/.315/.435, 9 XBH, 4 BB, 14 K in 73 PA
If we didn't know the XBH are flukes
we might be impressed with the new approach. I’m still waiting for him to hit a ball hard somewhere.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on May 20, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, not a fan, especially with the worsening BB/K ratio
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that bugs me
Despite his two triples the other day, whenever he is up it seems like he hit weakly somewhere. and when the ball drops it seems like its usually due to fielder incompetence than hard hit balls
The GIDP last night was hit hard :)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on May 20, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Did anyone catch this?
Andy LaRoche (3B) PIT 5/20/2010
LaRoche had two hits for the first time since May 7 on Wednesday and is 3-for-7 in his last two games. LaRoche also pulled off a trick play that befuddled the Brewers’ Ryan Braun, giving the Bucs a ninth-inning double play. Braun stole second base on a hit-and-run that saw Prince Fielder strike out. Braun then attempted to advance to third base, but LaRoche — who took the throw to second on the Fielder shift — tagged Braun as he tried to advance. “He did, like, some ‘Matrix’ [stuff] or something, I don’t know,” Braun told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. “[LaRoche] was about to throw the ball back to the pitcher and did some reverse spin move. It was a good play by him and a stupid play by me.”
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Official mlb.com video
here.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on May 20, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Amazing
video fits Braun’s description
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Andy made sure to let everyone know there was 2 outs after!
I have a secret desire that they can get him back when Alvarez is ready.
It’s not something I think about, because Casey Blake is signed through 2011, with an option for 2012. It’s just not an area the club will think about until they have to.
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea, I loved the bad ass 2 outs motion by LaRoche
by robotmadeofnails on May 20, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
“The-Dodgers-Must-Get-Cliff-Lee” drumbeat continues
This article kind of reminds me of the ESPN articles discussing what the Yankees & Red Sox “need” and how they should go about getting it, without any regard for whether it will make sense for the team at the other end of the transaction. I mean, under what possible circumstance would it make sense for the Mariners to add Manny for a few months, at the expense of losing one of the best pitchers in the game for the same amount of time?!
Does it even make sense for the Dodgers? Is a platoon of Johnson/X Paul with Lee> Manny with Padilla as 5th starter down the stretch?
This assumes that Manny and Padilla are healthy, but Lee missed some time due to injury as well.
by Michael White on May 20, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
almost certainly not
but it definitely doesn’t make sense for the Mariners, and I just went with the path of least resistance. (Not that there was much resistance on either side.)
Consider the source on that article. Pure garbage.
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
I’ll consider that next time I open one of those. If I’m gonna slack off at work, it should at least be with something worthwhile!
It bugs me that Google News
has been including Bleacher Report “articles” among their real news finds in the news feed. I hate to sound snobby but if anything is written in someone’s parent’s basement, it is the frequently poorly written nonsense on Bleacher Report.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
not to mention the partnership BR has with the LA Times. It’s disturbing.
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
What is the nature of the partnership? Wasn't aware of that.
Very lame. Are they all mentoring under Bill Plaschke? ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
They get placement on the Times website.
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
{rule 1 violation}
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I’m OK with Blanton when I realize the Phillies chose to pay him instead of Cliff Lee :)
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
My theory is
that Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay are really the same person and cannot be on the same team. I mean, have you ever seen them both pitch on the same day before??
Good point. In fact, I think the Earth is just a giant mirror, and each move in the exact opposite direction at the same time at all times.
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you been hanging out with Lambo?
by kinbote on May 20, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
From Animal House (filmed at my alma mater)
Larry: [to Jennings, while high] Okay. That means that our whole solar system could be, like one tiny atom in the fingernail of some other giant being. [Jennings nods] This is too much! That means one tiny atom in my fingernail could be—
Jennings: Could be one little tiny universe.
Larry: Could I buy some pot from you?
Does anyone else remember Vin Scully mentioning that Manny Ramirez swung and missed only like 22 times last season? It seems to me he has brought up that stat recently, especially in light of Manny swinging and missing 7 times in a game in Arizona last week (and twice against Garland last night).
However, I looked it up, and Manny had 976 strikes last season, and 15% of those were swinging without contact, or roughly 146 swings and misses.
This season, 17% of Manny’s strikes are the result of swinging and missing.
Yes I heard that too and was puzzled by it
could he have meant 22 strikeouts that were all swinging strikes or something?
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Im not afraid of the stretch comin up at all. For a team that just out hustled, out pitched, out hit and out muscled the Yankees and the Red Sox.. I am not afraid of the As and the Dodgers. I know LA has been hot, but they lost Ethier and Billingsley has been shaky, we miss Kershaw. Bring those clowns on
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
But do they miss Ely Mania? I think not.
by silverwidow on May 20, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
That's the type of comment
that would go on TBLA’s bulletin board! (if it had one)
The liquid in the cooler is clear, but it ain’t water.
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Bombay Sapphire
has a blue (appropriately enough) tinge to it.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on May 20, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
We miss Verlander. Bring those clowns on.
by Eric Stephen on May 20, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Put THIS on their bulletin board then
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Billingsley has been shaky.
After getting bombed in Cincinatti (2nd start of the year?), Bills has been pretty darn solid.
by Michael White on May 20, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
You actually expect them to, you know, do any research
before making comments?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Here's a solution...
…Colletti calls the Yankees and makes an offer for this decade’s Ed Whitson, Javier Vazquez. Scratch that idea – he makes more ($11.5 MM this season) than Randy Wolf…
http://twitter.com/dodgerexaminer
by DodgerExaminer on May 20, 2010 12:34 PM PDT reply actions
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