The Uphill Battle Continues: Rafael Furcal to DL
by Eric Stephen on May 3, 2010 9:51 PM PDT
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PrintRafael Furcal, who last played April 27 in New York, appears headed to the disabled list with a strained left hamstring, per Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times. Nick Green, who was removed from tonight's Triple A Albuquerque game in Memphis in the sixth inning, a more natural shortstop than Jamey Carroll, is expected to take Furcal's place on the roster.
This weekend, manager Joe Torre explained that Rafael Furcal was feeling better with rest every day until Saturday. Furcal had an injection of platelet-rich plasma last week, intended to speed up the healing process, but it looks like it didn't work that way. Furcal had his scheduled workout today at Dodger Stadium in front of coaches and trainers, but apparently he didn't pass the test.
Green had a secondary opt-out clause in his minor league contract, such that he could declare himself a free agent is he wasn't added to the roster by May 15 (reported by Tony Jackson of ESPN LA in early April). If Green is added to the roster, a corresponding move will have to be made, likely Cory Wade moved to the 60-day disabled list.
Chin-Lung Hu wasn't exactly hitting the ball -- .231/.265/.246 in the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League -- but he is at least equal defensively to Green, and has the advantage of already occupying in 40-man roster spot. But the taint of Hu's .181/.252/.233 performance filling in for Furcal in 2008 is something he will likely never live down.
The earliest date Furcal can return from the disabled list is May 14. More troubling for the Dodgers is that this is just the latest injury to a key player, not something an 11-14 team needs.
| Key Dodgers on the DL | |
| Player | Expected Return Date |
| Jeff Weaver | Friday |
| Manny Ramirez | Saturday |
| Rafael Furcal | May 14 (at earliest) |
| Vicente Padilla | sometime in June |
Green will join Weaver, Garret Anderson, and Dos Ortiz as the fifth non-roster signee to make the Dodgers this season. Green's contract calls for a salary of $550,000 (which will be pro-rated) during his time in the major leagues.
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Fair enough, as I definitely planned on questioning it…
by Michael White on May 4, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
continued from pput
Andre is hitting .364706
Ivan Rodriquez is at .400 while being 6.5 appearances short of qualifying. So if he goes 0 for 6.5 it lowers his average to .363636
does that not put Andre in the lead in BA currently?
1) determine the minimum number of PAs
In Pudge II’s case, they have played 25 games….25 × 3.1 = 77.5, rounded to 78 PA
2) add hitless ABs until player has enough PA to qualify
Pudge has 72 PA, but his 26 for 65….add 6 PA…26 for 71 = .366
by Eric Stephen on May 3, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
i would have rounded up in my calc but since by my calc he was already under Andre's average I just left it at 6.5
I see where I made my error, I relied on ESPN for the stats, which did not show his 2 sac flys.
by MammothDodger on May 3, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you could make this a signature!
I made my error, I relied on ESPN
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Nick Green. Awesome. I’d rather just see Belliard play short. It would be extremely entertaining and he can at least hit the ball.
or we could go Tony Jackson chat style and have Casey Blake play SS! :)
by Eric Stephen on May 3, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, people actually ask Tony Jackson about his opinion on baseball? And people actually listen? Jesus, what is this world coming to?
by UCLADodger32 on May 3, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants have
Three starting pitchers (> 20 IP) in the top 8 in all of MLB for having the lowest FIP.
1. Lincecum 1.98
7. Sanchez 2.60
8. Zito 2.66
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40 Kuroda 3.37
I have
Lincecum and Sanchez in fantasy
by robotmadeofnails on May 3, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Zito back to being an elite pitcher or is he just on a lucky streak?
He did have a pretty good 2nd half of last year.
If Hu can't get in now
then there is really no reason to carry him in the organization anymore. What’s the point? Ned might as well take what he can get for him and move on.
I suspect that Colletti feels exactly like that – but about the vets he had to pay for, like Nick Green. “If Green can’t get in now, then there is really no reason to carry him in the organization anymore. What’s the point? I might as well take what I can get for him, or DFA him, and move on.” For Colletti, it’s the money he paid for these guys that’s the investment which has to prove itself. This investment matters more to him than the cheap price paid for youngsters found by Logan and trained by the organization, like Hu. Or at least it’s more personal. And we’ve seen before that he’s quite ready to dump the vets if they prove useless. he does it every year. But they get first chance to prove themselves and the investment Colletti made in them. So now it’s Green’s turn. If he sucks, he’ll be DFA’s within a couple of months, after helping lose us some games. Then Hu may or may not have his chance.
Except that Colletti hasn’t paid much – just the minor-league end of his contract, which isn’t usually much – for Green yet. Green really makes his money once he’s added to the major-league roster. And even now, his salary is hardly more than the major-league minimum that Hu would make.
Eric calculated Green’s pro-rated salary in majors as $550,000 × 153/183 = $459,836, which I think he is now guaranteed to make (I could be wrong on this.) Hu would make the minimum while up, plus he makes more than the average minor-leaguer because of the major-league service time he does have.
Conclusion: it’s only starting today that Ned has made a real dollar investment in Green, and only now that Green would have to prove himself worth Colletti’s investment.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Not guaranteed
and I will go back and change the Russ Ortiz info. I finally found the clause in the CBA that addresses this. Article XX, Paragraph D(1):
Any Player who has at least 3 years of Major League service andwhose contract is assigned outright to a Minor League club mayelect, in lieu of accepting such assignment, to become a free agent
Then, in Paragraph D(3):
A Player who becomes a free agent under this Section D shall immediately be eligible to negotiate and contract with any Club without any restrictions or qualifications. Such Player shall not be entitled to receive termination pay.
Is “termination pay” different from a guaranteed salary?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
An even better passage
is included in the standard player contract:
Upon any termination of this contract by the Player, all obligations of both Parties hereunder shall cease on the date of termination, except the obligation of the Club to pay the Player’s compensation to said date
“Why is it? Because he got a new deal? Can’t tell you. But you know, it’s below-average. If this is the last day of the season and people are voting for GM of the year, his name is not even on the ballot. It’s a shame that he would go from where he was a year ago to revert back to when a player goes down and you’re not sure if he’s going to sign an Ortiz, or if you’re going to get Nick Green.”
by Little Blue Bicycle on May 4, 2010 5:50 AM PDT reply actions 9 recs
C’mon, cheer up, everybody! The sun is shining, the Dodgers have a modest little win streak going, and my favorite band, the New Pornographers, have their first new album in almost three years out today! Yeah, I know, Nick Green is on the team. That’s too bad. I’d rather have Hu, too, but I can’t get upset about it. t’s a great day!
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
A Suggestion
For the team previews (which are great, BTW): include our projected starters (with current stats and career vs. team stats perhaps?) against the opposing pitchers in starter section of the preview.
Just a suggestion, not a criticism.
Hu vs. Green
I’m amused by the argument of whether to bring up Green or Hu. Hu has had a few chances, and while his defense has been fantastic at times, he has shown he can’t hit in the show. Hell, he can’t hit in AAA. Green’s a no-brainer.
But the choice is ridiculous; they both suck. It’s like showing up late to the picnic, going to the food table and finding that all you have to choose from is some potato salad that’s been sitting out in the sun too long and some swiss cheese on the deli tray that’s hardening around the edges. Then you go to the cooler and see two cans sitting in luke warm water: Meister Brau or Oly Gold.
Come on Ned…give us something to work with!
I sort of agree
I used to be a big backer of Hu but this roster move isn’t something that has gotten me worked up. I was much more fired up right before the year when it appeared that DeWitt would lose his spot on the 25 man because Torre wanted to carry a backup shortstop (Green.)
by Michael White on May 4, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd only care
if Green was going to hang around. Rafy should be fine soon and then they will DFA Green. Hopefully Amezaga will be ready eventually so the choice gets a little better. He’s the perfect bench player for this team with his ability to play every position but catch, while providing speed on the bench.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I don’t blame you. He’s forgettable.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on May 4, 2010 8:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What's his status? Still a month or 2 away?
He definitely would be a more appealing choice than the Sophie’s Choice we were given. ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Great analogy
though you may have upset my gastric system.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
A-Rod, Pujols, Helton, Jeter, Zito, Soriano, Holliday, Howard, A-Rod again . . .
by StolenMonkey86 on May 4, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Too bad the coach said he will only pitch 2 innings in today’s game.
by robotmadeofnails on May 4, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
didnt patrick shuster have like 6 straight last year?
and then was drafted by the dbacks in the 13th round
Thought this was a telling quote
delivered by Troy Renck of the Denver Post:
Olivo on Jimenez: "He was unbelievable. They were looking for off-speed and he was throwing 101 mph. Freaking amazing.’’
Another 100+ MPH reading at Petco...
Broxton hit 103 there last year, I believe. But for a starter to do that…
I just saw that Andruw Jones is mashing (shakes fist to the air)
by robotmadeofnails on May 4, 2010 8:44 AM PDT reply actions
Anyone see the video of the Phillie fan getting tasered? I thought it was great; I’ve been at Dodger games before where some folks in the stands could have used an attitude adjustment just like that. But I’m hearing that some folks think it falls under the “excessive force” umbrella. You jump onto the field, you take your chances as far as I’m concerned.
I’m all for using any kind of experimental weaponry on anyone who runs onto the field.
by Eric Stephen on May 4, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not for electric shock therapy
I’d rather they have some steroid crazy ex-college linebackers roaming the sidelines in full gear and nailing anyone who dares to make the run from one side to the other. If they make it they get a free beer. They can do this instead of singing GBA.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on May 4, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do people feel the Taser the next morning?
I understand that they do feel the billy clubs the next day.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I thought it was the right time to use the taser. I wonder if the Phillies will prosecute. I think it is considered a felony with a minimum $5000 fine.
by robotmadeofnails on May 4, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Some naked guy having a psychiatric incident had the cops called on him; they tazed him and the taser ended up killing him. Happened in my apartment building this past weekend.
Tasers are pretty common, but I still kind of wonder how much people really know about them.
by StolenMonkey86 on May 4, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Some naked guy having a psychiatric incident
Sounds like me in the bedroom.
More seriously, I imagine tasers can be lethal for people with questionable tickers. That could not have been a pleasant ay for you and your neighbors.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Of course, I didn’t hear about it except for a friend of mine mentioning she had seen my apartment building in the news.
by StolenMonkey86 on May 4, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Reaching the .500 mark tonight?
No, not the 11-14 Dodgers…
Andre Ethier, current career stats:
2049 AB
1024 total bases
.499756 slugging percentage
Should he sit and keep the milestone in tact?
Thanks for jinxing him, BTW. Similar to the Kemp feat last year (first man to hit .300 and blah blah blah…) before the season ended and he dropped below .300.
He’ll be in the five teens by the end of the year, easily.
Entering Friday’s game, Ethier had played 600 career games, and had a career .492633 slugging percentage.
Six extra-base hits in three games later, and he’s knock knock knocking on .500’s door.
You know I don't believe in jinxes
but on the other hand we had a day off, he’s probably cooled down, and now he’ll probably go 1 – 12 in the series.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
To put in some perspective
Dodgers with a .500 slugging percentage (minimum 2000 PA):
Gary Sheffield .573
Mike Piazza .572
Babe Herman .557
Duke Snider .553
Jack Fournier .552
Reggie Smith .528
Pedro Guerrero .512
Raul Mondesi .504
Roy Campanella also rounds up to .500 but his SLG was .499643
I’m more impressed by the ones who spent some/all of their decline years with the Dodgers, unlike, say Mondesi. Reggie Smith at .528 in the 1970s DS and including decline years – admittedly he played only about three full seasons worth of games here – is impressive. Man, that dude could rake. Just ask Don Sutton how valuable he was.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
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