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Milton Bradley tries to dig his way out of his tunnel of darkness

Milton Bradley has asked the Seattle Mariners to help him, help himself.

Thank God

It won't be easy; he has all the signs of a man who will end up institutionalized or living on the street. He has tried to beat his anger addiction in the past but has not been able to make it happen. For most of his career he has spent his perceived misfortune blaming everyone but himself.

Once again he sounds like he has taken some steps to begin the process, and it would not be out of line for anyone to take this with a grain of salt. Still he's trying, and that is all anyone can do when confronted with their own failures. Instead of ridicule, he should only get support. If Mike Sweeney had been his teammate in 2004/2005 instead of Jeff Kent who knows how the Dodger fortunes would have turned out. We have heard for years that Mike Sweeney was a great teammate, it was great to read just how great a teammate he really is. Most would have turned their back on Milton's latest antics, but instead Sweeney reached out to a man he knew was drowning in emotional pain and gave him a hand.

On May 4th Milton Bradley once again lost his temper and left the team in a huff. On May 5th he was scheduled to show up at Lakeridge Elementary school with fellow Mariners, Ichiro, Griffey, and Mike Sweeney. No one knew if he would show after it appeared he had left the team but he did. When it was his turn to talk this is what he had to say:

The man who in March told The Associated Press he was baseball's Kanye West interrupted himself at one point because he was getting overcome with emotions during an impassioned five-minute talk to students on the Mariners' annual education day.

"I grew up in Long Beach, Calif., me and my mother," Bradley said softly through a microphone while in front of a stage in the school's lunchroom. "She worked in a grocery store, checking out groceries every day, 40 hours a week. Every day she'd come home, get the mail. She'd get in the same chair with the bills. She'd put in one pile the bills she could pay. In another pile she'd put the ones she couldn't pay. Bill collectors would call. I saw her fall asleep in that chair.

"I saw that every day. That was my motivation," to reach the major leagues.

Then, Bradley -- who recently complained that no one ever asks him where he's from, what he's about -- shrugged. With a previously buzzing student body nearly silent and teachers watching intently, Bradley said through glistening eyes: "I'm kind of getting a little emotional right now, because this is my heart."

Then he waved his hand over the kids.

"The whole world's ahead of you," Bradley said. "Someone in here might change the world. Motivation is what's most important."

As Bradley sat down, Sweeney hugged him. The five-time All-Star then gave Bradley's back a comforting pat. The slugger smiled.

After the school event, Sweeney said the Mariners are going to help Bradley.

"The way we're going to do that is just, to love on him," Sweeney said. "His track record shows he's had some ups and downs. But we can embrace him and get him to click the way he did in Texas [in 2008, Bradley's All-Star season].

"He's a beautiful man, with a beautiful heart."

Several hours later Milton stood before Mariner management and asked for help. That hand may not be enough, but everyone should be lucky enough to get one when they need it most.

Star-divide

The first significant move Paul DePodesta made as Dodger GM was to trade for Milton Bradley when he came available because of anger issues he had with the Indians. The price was our best outfielder prospect but it would be years before the best defensive center fielder in baseball would reach his potential. In the mean time, Milton became the Dodger center fielder and a fan favorite. For most of 2004 he was exactly what the Dodgers needed, he played a solid center field, had a very strong arm, was fast, some power, some plate discipline. He was not a super star but he was a very good center fielder and he played the game with emotion. He quickly became my 2nd favorite Dodger (Beltre was king).

When the Dodgers traded for Steve Finley as part of the remaking of a team already in 1st place it created a situation in the outfield that resulted in Milton being moved to RF and Finley getting to stay in CF. I dont know if that was what Depo had anticipated when the deal was made but that was the lineup that Tracy used. Steve Finley sucked in CF in 2004. That was my subjective opinion watching him butcher a position that Milton had played with aplomb. Using FanGraphs I can see his -10 UZR helps support that notion. Milton on the other hand had a +5.5 in 2004.  As a RF, Milton never looked comfortable, he had been the captain of the Dodger outfield and now he was in a position he had never played. His good times as a Dodger were about to end. The plastic bottle incident occurred on 9/29/2004 and the relationship between Milton and fans would never recover.

 

As 2005 started Milton had the manager in his corner. Jim Tracy was known for talking but I had never experienced it before. In the spring of 2005 I had the misfortune of attending a season ticket pow wow the Dodgers put together in the Stadium Club. The ownership was still new, no one really knew what to expect so they decided to do this little get together and answer questions about the team for 2005. Frank did his spiel, then Depo took his turn. He had just signed Jeff Kent, D Lowe, and JD Drew to big contracts but had let Beltre walk after his 48 home run season. Paul was articulate and answered the stupid questions as best he could without any sense of arrogance. Jim Tracy was next and someone made the mistake of asking Jim about Milton Bradley. 20 minutes later, Jim was still talking to himself about Milton Bradley. I got up and left; Jim had used up all the rest of the time. I never liked Tracy again, but the point of his answer was that Milton was a great kid who just needs to be given a chance.

 

The 2005 season started with crazy excitement. Opening Day at Dodger Stadium was one of those crazy ass games you will never forget, and Milton was in the middle of it. The Dodger trailed the Giants 8-5 headed into the bottom of the ninth but rallied to win the game 9 - 8 in what many might consider the most exciting opening day ever. The key blow was Milton hitting a bases loaded single to LF which went right through the wickets of defensive replacement Jason Ellison allowing everyone to score with Kent being the winning run. The Dodgers on April 20th were 12 - 2 and it looked like another great season was in store.

That was the peak of the 2005 season as injury after injury cascaded upon the Dodgers. That seasons collapse is a story for another day. Milton was having a decent season when he played but multiple injuries kept him from playing as much as he had in 2004. This was the beginning of the end for Milton physically, as he would not top 500 at bats again until he became a full time DH in Texas several years later. Eventually Jeff Kent and Milton had the infamous confrontation that would ultimately end Milton's Dodger career. Up to that point I had been in Milton's corner. However as the facts came out, I gave up that support. I was not a Jim Tracy fan but no one had Milton's back more then Jim Tracy. Jim had implored Milton to deal with the Kent problem internally but Milton ignored him and went to the media to whine about perceived racial problems with Kent. Ignoring Tracy and DePodesta ensured that Milton was done as a Dodger.

Ned traded him in his first and greatest trade, and Milton's emotional issues were no longer a Dodger concern. As he confronts his demons once again, he's past his peak physically, and the career arc of Carl Everett that I predicted for him back in 2005 is probably his future. He still has time to turn his career around and have some productive seasons but at this point he simply needs to turn his life around and have a productive life. I hope he does it, as everyone has said all along, underneath that anger is a good man with a good heart. Many people have started with less.

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Well done Phil.

Milton was a favorite player of mine. I started following him back in Cleveland and I absolutely loved the trade.

I hope he can get himself right.

by Michael White on May 6, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I still have a Milton Bradley Dodger t-shirt. Purchased about 2 weeks before he went nuts on Jeff Kent. He had a good story of getting his head straight before it went down and he flushed it down the toilet. Heres to hoping..

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on May 6, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

I rooted for Milton, and I still root for him.

He is a tremendous talent. I hope he can pull it all together.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on May 6, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Those are my thoughts too.

by Little Blue Bicycle on May 6, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope he's not Guerdwich Montimere

and that the coach is doing the right thing.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m going to name my first child that the courts allow me to keep Guerdwich Montimere.

by Eric Stephen on May 6, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

fool me once,

shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me, how many other times? Screw you! Shit or get off of the pot Bradley. If he can figure it out, good for him. If not, go cry to someone else.

by Skunkburner on May 6, 2010 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Deep problems

don’t have easy solutions. I’ve never met Milton and maybe he doesn’t deserve my support, but I’m always rooting for him. I don’t think he’s choosing to have these struggles.

by JonWeisman on May 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Is it time for me to give up on Jason Kubel in fantasy?

by robotmadeofnails on May 6, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

I haven’t. Yet.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great post

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and even deleted a snarky comment in another thread because I wasn’t feeling it. The man has deep emotional problems (beyond anger management I believe) and I truly don’t believe he’s a bad person. As someone to has to make a conscious effort to control my anger, I understand a little of what he must be going through. Sometimes a deep unhappiness in life can make every moment feel frustrating. Magnify that by about a thousand being a professional athlete (at least in football you can hit someone!). Even though everyone loves watching a trainwreck, I’m actually rooting for the guy. In the annals of Dodger villians (Strawberry is my #1, Andruw Jones, Carlos Perez?), he belongs nowhere near the top.

by kinbote on May 6, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I did something similar the other day when Bradley initially blew up. I was about to poke fun at him a bit with a post, but didn’t follow through. I mean the guy has some serious problems and you can only hope that he is serious about facing those problems, being honest with himself and looking at the situations he has been in and accepting some of the responsiblity for them. Until he does that, he will likely continue to journey down a very self-destructive path.

by OB12 on May 6, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I also think even if Milton Bradley was one of the most evil people ever, I would have a hard time actively hating him because we ended up getting Andre Ethier for him.

I liked Milton as a Dodger, and was sad to see him go. I hope he gets the help he needs.

by Eric Stephen on May 6, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good write-up Phil –
But I will not feel sorry for him. He has had everything at his fingertips to stop being an asshole for many years now, and now decides to deal with it? Yeah yeah, whatever… fuck off Bradley.

by delias man on May 6, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

You had me at "Good write-up Phil"

the rest looks like it was written in pig latin.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

He gets me worked up… what?

by delias man on May 6, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

My daughter's favorite player was Milton

I don’t know why. She named her Dodgers’ stuffed animal after him. My proudest moment as a Dodger fan father was when we went to a game early in the season after he had been traded. When they announced the Dodger lineups, she asked me what happened to Milton and if he wasn’t there because he was injured. The guys sitting next to us gaped, because she was only 4.

by LA Taco on May 6, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

That is an awesome story.

by Eric Stephen on May 6, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

So now that she is 9/10

who is her favorite player?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blake DeWitt and Manny

by LA Taco on May 6, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s funny because I want to get a shirt for my son, but the only one carried at Target is a Manny shirt. I like Manny, but I just don’t want my son advertising him. I would rather have it be one of the young core.

by robotmadeofnails on May 6, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Target I went to on Sunday

had Manny and Kemp shirts. I’m a Kemp guy myself, but I don’t think i’d get anything with Manny on it.

by Ivdown on May 6, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

These are toddler sized shirts

by robotmadeofnails on May 6, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh ok, I didn’t know how old your son was. Yeah, didn’t see anything like that.

by Ivdown on May 6, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a great write up, Phil

I am, however, still greatly conflicted about Milton. I was at the infamous bottle throwing game where we booed him off the field and he kept on taunting the crowd as he walked to the dugout. I was there for his big Dodgers explosion when he was kicked out and began throwing batting practice baseballs all over the field. I also was at the 2005 opening day when he had the game winning hit.

With that said, I’ve been greatly conflicted with Milton ever since the Dodgers got him. I remember his dust up with Paul LoDuca while the Dodgers were playing the Indians during interleague play (“TAKE YOUR GLOVES OFF FOR THAT!”) and immediately I hated the guy. Then he was traded to the Dodgers and apparently one of the first people to welcome him to the team was LoDuca so I accepted him as a teammate of the Dodgers. On the one hand I liked the fiery passion he played with. However as the season wore on, I kept wondering if it was actually fiery passion for the game of baseball or just the antics of a deeply angry and mean-spirited man.

As of today, I still don’t think I like the guy. I think he’s shown disrespect to a lot of people (the Dodger fans first and foremost in my mind). I think the fact that he’s played for so many teams, teams I honestly think gave him a chance to turn things around, and so many players that have always struck me as good, upstanding players (Michael Young, Derrek Lee to name a few) have come out and said that they wouldn’t ever play with him again I think speaks volumes.

Do I want him to become a better man, of course I do. I never wish for someone to stay angry and bitter. And I get he comes from a deeply emotionally troubled past (I read an article a few years ago that he refuses to speak to his father). But I feel that both fans and players have respected him to a great degree and that in most cases that respect hasn’t been returned. I think he’s always going to be a polarizing figure, but I do hope he overcomes his obstacles.

Again, outstanding post, Phil.

by UCLAClass05 on May 6, 2010 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

I remember the dust up too

At the time, I remember thinking how absurd little man Lo Duca looked screaming at Bradley.

But I wasn’t a big Lo Duca fan, as I sided with Green when Lo Duca called him out for not diving for the ball in what was Odalis’s only hit surrendered that day.

by Michael White on May 6, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let me also add:

It’s very beneficial for Milton to playing with the likes of Mike Sweeney (who for as long as I can remember has been regarded as one of the finest individuals in baseball), but more importantly with Junior who Milton has regarded as his idol. Maybe this is the situation he really needs

by UCLAClass05 on May 6, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think if you put things in the context of

here’s a guy with mental problems, you have to start seeing it a different way. People can be treated through therapy and sometimes drugs. If that is indeed what’s going on, it goes beyond judging his behavior and needs to go more into understanding the nature of his mental disease.

by LA Taco on May 6, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good stuff. Made me teary eyed

I root for him too, despite all the turbulence we saw in LA (and elsewhere) because I know, we all know, how troubled he is and that he’s a good person underneath those issues. He’s a great player, too when healthy physically and mentally. Wish him the best.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on May 6, 2010 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

He's 32 now

Are you saying he’s never going to play MLB again? Could happen that way.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn!

he is that old??

well then 33..

by matthewmafa on May 6, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol. His contract runs through his age 33 season, so I think you’d lose that bet.

by Ivdown on May 6, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Milton was one of my favorite dodgers when he was here...

and I always rooted for him. I think part of it was that I could see his talent and saw him as someone who continued to battle his personal demons and media scrutiny. I did meet him once off the field, and he seemed to be a good guy underneath. He always had time for fans too.

I certainly don’t excuse him for some of his behavior both on and off the field (especially with his ex-wife), but the man needs help and I hope he gets it. I’ve worked with a lot of emotionally troubled youth and young adults and this will not be an easy battle. No one is perfect and each person has their own journey to make toward finding peace in their life.

To me it doesn’t matter how many chances he gets – rather, it’s hoping that he ultimately gets to that place where he can find peace and security. This isn’t about baseball, but about his well-being. In that respect, I’ll be rooting for him to succeed.

by JJ 24 on May 6, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I need to ask a personal question.

What does TCWCITTBW stand for?

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on May 6, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

I’ve been wondering that myself.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Cat Who Came In Through The Bathroom Window

It is mostly personal non – Dodger stuff I’ve written that I don’t want to search for and some day will be the title of the book about my cats that I plan to write for my wife so when we are older and grayer we can look back and remember the little critters who have been the focal point of our life’s.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember that story.

Make sure that book gets translated into a couple other languages, including Pig Latin.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

make sure

Lilian Jackson Braun hasn’t used that one already :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilian_Jackson_Braun

by LA Taco on May 6, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha

looks like I just lost all of my chapter names. Anyway since it will be a personal book and not a published one I think I can use the title I had in mind.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great article Phil

This is one of the kinds of articles where you really shine as a writer, combining objectives with your own personal accounts and thoughts.

Bradley may have many demons to battle, and it can be very difficult for someone to admit they have those demons, even when it may be readily apparent to all others around them. I hope this is a turning point for him and that he really does get his life started back in the right direction, although I imagine fully turning one’s life around is a probably a process that one has to continue until one’s dying days. Besides, a guy named “Milton Bradley” playing a game for a living just needs to be a feel-good story with a happy ending – at least it should be.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Wish I had used that
a guy named "Milton Bradley" playing a game for a living just needs to be a feel-good story with a happy ending – at least it should be.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought your closing line was perfect, the right tone.

Hopeful, but cautious. Aware that success and failure for Bradley are likely never separated by more than the thinnest of lines.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

it can be very difficult for someone to admit they have those demons, even when it may be readily apparent to all others around them.

Good lord but ain’t that the truth. And it touches on an even greater truth, if I may: the way we perceive ourselves and the way others perceive us are often two entirely different things.

I make a lot of jokes on this forum, but that sentence, as much as any other, is the story of my life.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on May 6, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I worry for your liver

if this season does not turn around. My only perception of you is that you are a very lucky father.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

In my personal life, I am lucky in just about every possible way. Life did not have to work out this way for me. If Xei were to run my life 10,000 times, this may not even be a top-150 outcome for me.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on May 6, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha, I’m glad you beat the odds. I think fritts picked this outcome though.

by Xeifrank on May 6, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice line

A co-worker of mine and I always talk about how huge a role “blind, dumb luck” plays in our lives. I stumbled into a college major and a career that has kept me gainfully employed for almost 27 years. Hell, my parents met through a series of hard-to-repeat circumstances. Life didn’t have to work out this way for a lot of us fortunate people, I suspect.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

the way we perceive ourselves and the way others perceive us are often two entirely different things.

The world would be a better place if more people kept this truth forefront in their minds.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes!

Return to glory starts now.

by delias man on May 6, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

They even had a sane draft.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on May 6, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really wish Milton Bradley the best...

but my gut tells me that things will not end well for him.

by Xeifrank on May 6, 2010 1:35 PM PDT reply actions  

That’s not your gut, that’s your probabilistic, analytic side. More people are consumed by their demons than overcome them, aren’t they?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roy Halladay won today. In other news, the sun came up.

by silverwidow on May 6, 2010 1:40 PM PDT reply actions  

It pains me that after trying to be down on his 2010 season all off-season, you are looking incredibly correct so far and he’s been unstoppable…at least it was only 7 innings today…I guess…

by Ivdown on May 6, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m telling you man, getting to face opposing pitchers is HUGE. It’s an extra out almost every time.

by silverwidow on May 6, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he does win 25

every FA pitcher in 2010 will want to come to the NL

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

So the Cards scored their first run of the game in the second. Freese reached on a three-base error (!) by Werth — gosh, I gotta see that play — and scored on another error, this one by Wilson Valdez.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on May 6, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Money doesn't buy happiness

Nice post Phil.

Some people make it sound just because he’s got millions in the bank, he can’t have issues.

by Roberto Baly on May 6, 2010 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

After today's stock market meltdown

he’s down to $750,000.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah, about the aces
Nick (Boston)


Keith, I know it’s too early to give up on Clayton Kershaw, but what is going on with him? He has taken a major step back this year and Tuesday night was a disaster, what’s the next step?
Klaw
  (1:44 PM)


He’s gone backwards. Billingsley’s gone farther backwards. When one guy takes a step back, you look at him. When the two aces you were counting on to lead your rotation regress … don’t you look at the coaching staff?

by hirambocachica on May 6, 2010 2:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he's got a good point

Why would both the guys we thought would be leading this rotation this year be doing so poorly? I don’t think the pitching coaches are doing a bad job per say, but something is wrong, and I don’t think it’s necessarily both of these young guys.

by Ivdown on May 6, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it’s really the norm for young pitchers. I don’t doubt that if things don’t turn around, Honeycutt will be on the chopping block, regardless of how much blame he actually deserves.

by LA Taco on May 6, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Upon further and deeper reflection,

Honeycutt is kind of a funny name to have.

by kinbote on May 6, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well done Phil

I wrote a writeup on minorleagueball.com, asking what people thought was really wrong with him last night. After I came here today, I made sure I added this story.

From the comments of the commenters at MiLball.com, they seem to think that he is bi polar. Honestly, I dont think anyone would be surprised. From the M’s GM’s comments, I got the impression he had an alcohol problem. It would explain the anger problems and the rifts he had made in the clubhouse. Like i said at MiLball.com, I hate to make assumptions on a guy Ive never met, but that was my two cents.

I Really hope he can fix his problems, and Im rooting for him. But I honestly have no idea if he will be able to correct his problems…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on May 6, 2010 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Jayson Stark on the Dodgers
Attention shoppers: Not that there’s anyone of significance to trade for in the first week of May. But the Dodgers were making calls this week, trying to find starting pitching. The Royals and Phillies have let the world know they’re bullpen hunters. And the Mariners and Braves are “two teams that would love to add a bat,” one GM said.

by kinbote on May 6, 2010 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

If you want something now, prepare to pay through the nose. Gordon, Withrow, et al.

by silverwidow on May 6, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now they want pitching?

I’m with Silverwidow, do nothing right now unless someone falls in your lap. This team could have moved for Doc last year, kept Wolf, or been aggressive in the offseason. That they didn’t think there was a problem heading into this season with our crap staff speaks either to McCourt running this team like the Clippers, or worse pure incompetence. No sense compounding the problem now.

by oshea2002 on May 6, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hasn't everybody accepted the fact that Doc was never available to the Dodgers?

Full no-trade clause, did everything short of taking out a front page ad in the LA Times indicating that he would not accept a trade to a team that has spring training in AZ.

I also didn’t think there was a problem with starting pitching going into the season. I obviously don’t have any economic stake in running the Dodgers on the cheap so I must be incompetent.

by Michael White on May 6, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean you had 3 major question marks IMO in Billingsley, Padilla, and TBD in the 5 spot. I think that’s fine if you are maybe the Royals or something, but not the Dodgers who should have a top quartile payroll like McCourt said and coming off of consecutive NLCS appearances.

Doc – who knows. You are probably right, although there were rumblings he was willing to waive to LA or Anaheim. Now, maybe he doesn’t ink that extension right away, that was certainly probably part of it.

by oshea2002 on May 6, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Billingsley was most definitely not a question mark. I had complete confidence in him coming into the season, and I still do now.

by Ivdown on May 6, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

So did I. I think we all did. I don’t think that a guy who was left out of the postseason rotation isn’t a question mark though.

by oshea2002 on May 6, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I expected a Billingsley bounce back and I thought the team woudl be fine with Elbert/McDonald in the 5 spot. Billingsley has been a mixed bag so far (3 good starts, 3 bad ones including last night) but Elbert and McDonald don’t appear in the cards. I’d still give McDonald a shot now, but whatev. Padilla is hurt, what can ya do? It doesn’t bother me at all that the team lost Wolf. At some point, you have to trust that the guys you have (Elbert, McDonald, Kershaw, and Billingsley) will be good enough. I was willing to make that bet in the offseason and I know I’m not alone. Sure, at 10-16 its easy to say that it wasn’t the right move—-but calling the Dodgers the Clippers is so far off the mark.

by Michael White on May 6, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough. If there was a plan to go with these younger guys, then I’m fine with that. But those guys aren’t up – instead it’s the Ortiz’s, Haeger, etc. As for the Clippers comment – it seems like Clipper-esque decision making to let guys walk, not offer them arb, and then correspondingly not give young guys a shot to replace them. Now it says they are on the trade market – and if that is true it makes no sense to me to then trade assets and likely take on salary.

by oshea2002 on May 6, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

As an aside

Let’s say that’s a Clipper-esque move pre-2005.

Its been a while since the Clippers were warned by the NBA for nearly falling under the minimum salary cap. Since that point the team signed Baron Davis, offered max money to Elton Brand, traded for Zach Randolph and his salary, absorbed the last two years of Marcus Camby’s contract, gave Chris Kaman his money, gave Dunleavy a long term extention, and built a new practice facility in El Segundo. Incompetence? Ya, there’s still a lot of that in Clipperland. Being cheap? Not that much anymore.

And I agree offering Wolf arbitration would have been an absolute no-brainer for me, even factoring in the Dodgers budget.

by Michael White on May 6, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny for Cliff!

Best case scenario: both teams get what they need, solve their problems, and move forward.

Worst case scenario: the Dodgers tread water, trading one set of problems for another, and the Dodgers still finish well out of it.

No matter what, when they offer Lee arbitration, the Dodgers will get two picks. They will not offer Manny arbitration.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on May 6, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Before the start of the 2009 season: No matter what, when they offer Wolf arbitration, the Dodgers will get two picks.

I am beyond believing I can predict to whom the Dodgers will offer arb.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too true.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on May 6, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

i thought manny had a full no trade clause?

by papercrane on May 6, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whether he does or not, I wasn’t really serious about my suggestion, mostly for this reason:

it would never happen.

Still, if we’re all agreed that I can post it with sarcasm, I’ll continue to suggest Manny for Cliff. Agreed? Agreed!

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on May 6, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He might accept a trade to a full-time DH job with an AL contender, esp. if the Dodgers were going nowhere. Boras might convince him it’s the best way for him to put up big numbers to get a good contract for next year. Who knows.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who knows.

They might do it!

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on May 6, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Throw in Milton to play LF

and you have yourself a deal:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

nope

Franklin Gutierrez to play CF, move Kemp to RF, Ethier to LF…

and the Dodgers have quite possibly the best defensive OF in the majors. And a starter.

Now to ply the Seattle front office with loads and loads of controlled substances … heh!

by Seanny Rotten on May 6, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers lineup

Paul LF
Kemp CF
Ethier RF
Loney 1B
Blake 3B
Martin C
DeWitt 2B
Carroll SS
Ely P

by Eric Stephen on May 6, 2010 2:59 PM PDT reply actions  

How bad is Nick Green? He can’t even get a spot start on a team without a true shortstop.

by kinbote on May 6, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually quite like this lineup.

by silverwidow on May 6, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

now before anyone tells me “batting order means next to nothing” I’d just like to point out that Kemp did most of his damage batting 2nd, and batting 2nd again will hopefully settle him down and make him drive in a few runs and score a few.

by Seanny Rotten on May 6, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice that Paul is getting the at bats

against the RHP. Dave Bush from what I recall is one of those guys who will look good and then lose it in a heart beat. I’m surprised he has not become a relief pitcher yet.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I like seeing that too

In other news, Tony Jackson is doing a chat on ESPN. http://espn.go.com/losangeles/chat/_/id/32214

First one to get an inside joke past him wins.

by LA Taco on May 6, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, somebody said GRANICK.

by silverwidow on May 6, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m glad no one was walking by my desk when I read that question, they would have had to ask what I was laughing about.

by TurnItDown on May 6, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone tried a Granick question. Wow.

by Eric Stephen on May 6, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

For those that come across this later
Reggie (Westwood)
Any way to get Granick away from KC? What would it take to get Granick??

Tony Jackson
  (6:30 PM)
You mean Greinke? No, no way the Royals part with him. They have to give the good people of KC SOME reason to buy tickets, don’t they?

And no, it wasn’t me.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i would have resonded like this
They have to give the good people of LA SOME reason to buy tickets, don’t they?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike (Pasadena)
If the season becomes lost, do the Dodgers trade Ethier and/or Broxton and reload the farm system? It’s not as though LAD should expect next year will be any better sans Manny. How elite do the prospects have to be, in particular for Ethier a 30 HR slugger in his prime?


Tony Jackson
  (6:44 PM)
Great question Mike. I just wish I had an answer it. I don’t see them trading away any of the core — unless Kemp becomes so sullen over this flap with Ned that he has to be dealt somewhere just to get him out of here, but that’s unlikely. Even if this season goes down the toilet, the Dodgers are still just a tweak or two away from getting back into contention because the core is in place.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tony believes in the core (last sentence).

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is one thing to not want Washburn or Pedro

It is another to not be able to afford them given our current payroll.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions  

and

it is another to not want to overpay for either of them.

So which is it?
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on May 6, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

How much of an overpay

can it be for 2/3 of a season? It would have no long term ramifications. If we (bloggers) had no problem with overpaying Wolf in arbitration why should we care about overpaying for a FA now as long as it is a pitcher who can help?

I’m not saying they can help anymore then what we have and I’m okay with that excuse, I’m not okay with we can’t afford them.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the case of Looper, $1 is an overpay IMO, because I would rather give the ball to McDonald, Elbert (even 18 walks in 22 AAA IP Elbert), Lindblom, pretty much anyone currently in the organization.

Also, I don’t think Washburn is any better than McDonald, so I wouldn’t necessarily go gaga for him either.

by Eric Stephen on May 6, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe

and I’d sure like to see if that is the case but if McDonald is only going to pitch in AAA, and if we are going to use Monk, Ely, or Haeger, I’d rather have Washburn at the back end of the rotation. Washburns ERA has always been much lower then his xERA so while the peripherals are sucky the odds are good he’s going to give us an ERA around 4.5. Do you think you are going to get that from the above group? Throw in the move to the NL and maybe it even improves to 4.25.

Then again by the time Washburn is ready to pitch, our boys in AAA will have gotten the act together and we won’t need him anymore.

As I said, I have no problem with anyone telling me these guys are not as good as what we have, I just have a problem saying we can’t afford them.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we can afford them

by Eric Stephen on May 6, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't Tomko available:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Tony Jackson says what others have hinted at

Tony, Why do you think it is perceived that the LA media is soft on its sports teams compared to say NY?? Imagine if this Dodger situtation was going on in NY, from Frank’s lack of spending, to Torre’s questionable moves, etc etc…. I wish the LA media would apply the heat to the whole Dodgers organization the way NY media would…. us fans, who pour over 3 million into that stadium year in and year out deserve better then whats going on down on the field

Tony Jackson (6:48 PM)

Well, I hate to admit this, but it’s two different media cultures. It’s not so much NY vs. LA, it’s the Northeast vs. everywhere else in the country. And this is just my opinion, but I think part of it is that there are so many media outlets in NY and Boston and Philly who follow those teams every day that it’s easier for them to make sharp criticisms because the whole pack is making those criticisms. Here, even in the No. 2 market in the country, there are fewer outlets who cover the team on a daily basis, home and away, so whenever someone writes something scathing, it can lead to a clubhouse confrontation with that player/coach/manager/GM, and at the end of the day, we need to get along with these people so we can work with them. Again, that’s just my opinion.

by bhsportsguy on May 6, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I like that honest answer

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Makes sense, actually

some good honesty there.

I think it’s important to have beat writers, but also bloggers who are able to pick things apart.

by LA Taco on May 6, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Ned ever actually read Duck Talk or Ned Fiction

I’d feel weird when asking him questions.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it's not in the Times, he probably wouldn't read it

I met Howard Lincoln at least year’s spring training in Peoria

I asked him if he ever read the USS Mariner, and he asked me what it was. I said a blog and he shook his head and said then, no, he’d definitely never read it and never would.

Ned’s about 20 years younger but I don’t see him getting into the blog scene…

by LA Taco on May 6, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

But their GM, Jack Zduriencik, does read USS Mariner.

So much so that last season when the Mariners were at Dodger Stadium one of the beat writers got informed of a Seattle roster move and said, “Oh great, Jack is reading Dave Cameron again.”

by Eric Stephen on May 6, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha good point

Pretty sure Bavasi never did, but didn’t they also say the pitching staff was reading it with regards to Felix’s pitch selection?

by LA Taco on May 6, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The GM has only so much time per day to read articles

And he’s mainly going to do that to see how public perception – that might be translated in revenue – might be affected. The LAT sports page is probably read by, what , hundreds of thousands of people? Dodgers Thoughts by thousands? TBLA by hundreds?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait, what?

you mean this isn’t the most important source of Dodgers news and commentary around? :)

by LA Taco on May 6, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last month we averaged just over 4,000 visits per day.

by Eric Stephen on May 6, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need to

come up with a catchy website and replace the ad cougarlife.com! That is like the only ad that pops up on my pc!

by keithc13 on May 6, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected, but the overall point still stands

4,000 vs. 400,000 (I’m guessing a little over 40% of their circulation reads the sports articles.)

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey

don’t you know we are read by thousands per day not hundreds?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one's reading this thread anymore

which is too bad because this comment needs to be green.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on May 7, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

What about Plaschke

Hasn’t be bagged on players, coaches, owners etc.. in the past? His may be more of a schtick rather than outrage, so it might not count? His outrage is usually completely misguided, but hasn’t exactly fit the bill of friendly to the players in the past.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on May 6, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brewers lineup - Faceplant out

per Anthony Witrado:

2B Weeks
CF Edmonds
LF Braun
1B Fielder
3B McGehee
C Zaun
RF Hart
SS Escobar
RHP Bush

by Eric Stephen on May 6, 2010 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

How does LA give up 11 runs per game to a team that bats GGreggggg Zaun sixth?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Answer:

The Dodgers are bad.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on May 6, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

how much more did he end up getting than Ausmus?

I think I remember some people here advocating Zaun as a great backup for Martin.

by LA Taco on May 6, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zaun signed for $2.15 guaranteed for one-year, part bonus, part salary, part buyout for next year.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have Martin batting sixth

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Touche

But we are scoring only 4.5 runs per game (in that time frame).

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on May 6, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT--Hey Phil

Something I thought about while riding the gondola this afternoon. What is up with the Vin Scully Lords Of The Ravine? Seems like it might be a nice nostalgic distraction from the current state of affairs in dodgertown.

by MammothDodger on May 6, 2010 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I got behind on how I wanted the Poll to work

and then the pre-season came and I didn’t want to pre-empt the 2010 season. I’ll pick it back up in October unless we are playing baseball.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on May 6, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am at work right now

and 2 guys are talking baseball on the other side of the wall. I hear one of them say, Yeah we won 2 in a row, but what do you expect against the Dodgers. I have a foul foul mouth.

by keithc13 on May 6, 2010 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

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