Mannywood Again Open For Business
by Eric Stephen on May 8, 2010 7:00 AM PDT
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Manny Ramirez aggravated his right calf on April 22, running out a single in Cincinnati. He was placed on the disabled list the next day, and the Dodger offense has suffered ever since:
| 2010 Dodger Offense | ||||||||
| Split | G | Runs | R/G | PA | HR | BA/OBP/SLG | OPS | BABIP |
| w/Manny | 15 | 98 | 6.53 | 634 | 18 | .311/.382/.485 | .867 | .346 |
| w/o Manny |
14 | 55 | 3.93 | 529 | 10 | .241/.307/.378 | .685 | .290 |
Sure, the Dodgers weren't going to score six and a half runs per game all season, but the drop-off without Manny has been precipitous.
However, despite Manny missing 14 games, no outfield trio has as many home runs (19) or runs batted in (65) as the Dodgers. Only the Tiger starting outfielders, with 63 runs, have more runs scored than the Dodgers (54).
Here is how Manny's replacements performed over the last 15 days:
| Manny's Replacements in Left Field | |||||||
| Left Fielder | Starts | PA | 2B-3B-HR | R | RBI | BA/OBP/SLG | OPS |
| Xavier Paul | 6 | 27 | 3-1-0 | 7 | 1 | .280/.333/.480 | .813 |
| Reed Johnson | 5 | 23 | 2-1-0 | 1 | 2 | .227/.261/.409 | .670 |
| Garret Anderson | 3 | 12 | 0-0-0 | 0 | 0 | .000/.000/.000 | .000 |
| Replacements | 14 | 62 | 5-2-0 | 8 | 3 | .203/.242/.356 | .598 |
| Manny | 13 gms |
52 | 4-0-2 | 7 | 12 | .415/.500/.659 | 1.159 |
Manny started his time on the disabled list with 2,511 career hits, good for a five-hit lead over Anderson for 90th place on the all-time list. Manny will be activated today, 15 days later, and has a four-hit lead over Anderson.
Welcome back Manny.
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Last night
Both Jeff and Jered Weaver had wins for the Dodgers and Angels, it was the first time two brothers had wins on the same day since August 12, 2007 when the Weaver brothers both had wins, Jeff was then pitching for the Mariners.
Other brother acts, last time Livan and Orlando Hernandez both had wins was on July 22, 2006
Pedro and Ramon Martinez did not have a lot of opportunities since Ramon retired in 2001 and he pitched in Boston with Pedro in 1999-2000 and he went winless in 2001. They last had wins on the same day on August 25, 1997.
Welcome back Manny!
I wish Kershaw, Hager, and Bills had MLB pitcher brothers.
by Skunkburner on May 8, 2010 7:55 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
That second chart certainly makes a convincing case for keeping Garretmark Andersweeney.
by Little Blue Bicycle on May 8, 2010 7:57 AM PDT reply actions
hahaha
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on May 8, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know about 1992 bad
A lot would have to go wrong to lose 100 games. And a lot will depend on which free agents Colletti will sign to replace Manny/Kuroda. And a lot will depend on whether McDonald/Elbert/Lindblom/etc, who have all looked shaky or worse so far this year, will be able to step up and become major leaguers. And while I’m excited about XP’s last two games, I’d say that at best the jury is out on whether he can be an every day left fielder.
So I don’t know that they’ll be quite THAT bad, but I certainly don’t think they’ll be any good.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
Paul vs. GA
I take it Little Blue Bicycle is being sarcastic. What value does Anderson bring to the team that Paul can’t match and then some?
Drippingly so, preach. Garrett Anderson was a great player, but this year he might as well be Gary Bennett.
by Little Blue Bicycle on May 8, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
How can anyone disparage Anderson and Sweeney?
Both players have veteran haircuts and have a great presence in both the dugout and the locker room. Don’t you remember in 2008 when Sweeney gave Manny a hug? I certainly remember that, and I will always be grateful to Sweeney. He always ran out his pop flies, and always hustled down to first base on his five-bounce grounders to short or second. That set a great example for our young non-veterans like Kemp and Ethier, who frequently didn’t sprint around the bases after hitting inexperienced home runs. And one more thing you “stat head bloggers” are forgetting: it’s nearly summer, the weather is getting hotter, so we need Anderson’s VETERAN SWINGS AND MISSES to create a cool breeze for Furcal or whoever is batting next.
And let’s not forget Juan Pierre either. He consistently kept runners on first from scoring on singles to left or center field, holding them to third base EVERY TIME. You need speed and a professional attitude at the top of the lineup, something far more valuable to the team than unprofessional, dreadlocked grand slam home runs, or a rookie pitcher who only gave us six scoreless innings before allowing an inexperienced run in the 7th inning.
by The Dude Abides on May 8, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Dodgers minus Manny AND Raffy probably show
similar offense drop off, I presume. ;-) I do think Manny being out longer and being very important are what’s reflected in those stats but also Raffy’s absence further added to the 3 runs a game difference. It’s amazing that the Dodgers have been scoring even halfway decently over the past week. Welcome back to both of them (Furcal a week later) and thank you XPaul for at least being the one decent fill in for Manny and for Raffy at leadoff.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Raffy is part of it
but Carroll has done well so far as his fill-in:
Furcal: .309/.378/.420
Carroll: .323/.421/.387 since Furcal went out
by Eric Stephen on May 8, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
True true
After a slow start he’s definitely filled in capably. He’s not a leadoff hitter sparkplug type buy has filled in the missing space pretty well. Anyway, I’ll be excited to have ’em both back together soon.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Tampa,, NY, Toronto all 8 - 2 in their last 10 games
unbelievable how much better the AL East is then the rest of baseball. Sucks to be Baltimore.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
it always sucks to be Baltimore
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on May 8, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Baltimore is without hope in any division. It really sucks to be Toronto though. Going 8-2 and not getting any closer to the top 2 in the division.
by CarolinaDodger on May 8, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
“Baltimore? That’s like being hit in the head with a crow bar once a day.” — Twelve Angry Men
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on May 8, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It will really suck if DeWitt goes down when Furcal is activated. I can just see Carroll being handed the everyday 2B job.
A lot would need to happen over the next week for that to happen.
by Eric Stephen on May 8, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Seems obvious to me that DeWitt is the 2nd baseman
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
#33 - Blake DeWitt
Fun guy to root for
He made things look a little bit smoother on defense last night.
by 68elcamino427 on May 8, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
as Stu Lantz would say:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOICE
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I think that
would be best explained by the lack of drug testing that occures in Conn.
Duh
East coast bias on full display w/ the WWL.
by Seanny Rotten on May 8, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Rally Monkeys
The ones that hop out of the breifcase
by 68elcamino427 on May 8, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Manny Ramirez - Mr. Ultimo #99
155 Career OPS+
(Currently tied in 22nd place all time along with Hank Aaron, Joe Dimaggio, and Mel Ott)
180 National League OPS+
211 OPS+ Year To Date, for this season 2010
The numbers are trending up.
Go Manny!
Reed Johnson
faced mostly LHP during that stint, pretty bad production for a guy who is supposed to kill LHP. As we said in spring Xavier Paul is the 4th best outfielder in the organization, everyone expected Paul to get cut but it is surprising that a last place team on May 8th is not concerned with having the best 25 man roster. GA had his shot, he can’t play the field and he can’t run. Paul can run, play defense, and at this point is a better offensive option.
It is ridiculous he’s not on the team considering the shaky status of Manny Ramirez’s legs.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
This team is obsessed with depth. Its why they put both Ortiz’s on the team instead of calling up Lindblom at the beginning of the year after having a great spring.
Paul’s defense is shaky
Reed plays a better defense than Paul.
Paul’s offense is stronger than Reed’s.
As long as Manny can play, then Torre can sub Reed in when the Dodgers have a “safe lead”
- if there is such a thing this year.
So, would you prefer Paul or Anderson?
When Manny rests, Paul starts against right handers
Anderson bye bye
by 68elcamino427 on May 8, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Paul can play at least left and right equally well because of his arm.
Johnson only has the arm to play in left.
Paul has and can play center as well, just less effectively than the corners, but Johnson is less effective in center as well, not surprisingly.
by Chad Moriyama on May 8, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
NEW YORK — Catcher Bengie Molina has left the San Francisco Giants’ game against the New York Mets with a tight left hamstring.
It was unclear when Molina was injured. He led off the second inning with a single off the left-field wall at Citi Field. Molina is batting .333 in 24 games this season.
Eli Whiteside replaced Molina behind the plate before the Mets batted in the bottom of the third on Saturday.
Would they call up Posey if he's going to miss a lot of time?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on May 8, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes most likely though
knowing the Giants they’d probably block him with Eli Whiteside.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
This one's for Xeifrank
From last night’s U.S.S. Mariner game recap thread:
M’s are tied with the Astros for last place in MLB in team slugging percentage at .321
Who will be the next GM for the Mariners?
by 68elcamino427 on May 8, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
FWIW, in today’s game notes for the Isotopes, the projected starters are listed as follows:
today – Corcoran
Sunday – McDonald
Monday – Elbert
Tuesday – Lindblom
Wednesday – Towers
John Ely isn’t listed anywhere. Perhaps there might be something to the “Dodgers are just waiting to DL someone until Tuesday” talk.
If that does happen, the option will be nullified and Ely will get pay & service time for Friday-Monday.
Good for the team and the player.
There is a good chance that the PR team had much of the game notes pre-written, and just haven’t had the chance to include events of the last 18 hours or so.
I emailed the PR guy for ABQ to get some clarification.
by Eric Stephen on May 8, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
And if you read some of Ned’s quotes yesterday, he hinted at players being “banged up.” It’s pretty clear where this is headed.
It sure seems that way…buying 4 days worth of an 8-man pen
by Eric Stephen on May 8, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
My only concern is that somewhere in the CBA, I believe it says that the team must provide a medical note to the Commissioner’s Office in order to DL a player. I mean, do they have doctor’s just make stuff up?
No
This type of stuff happens all the time. I’m sure the injury itself will be legitimate enough to count, but they are just taking extra precaution :)
by Eric Stephen on May 8, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Most of these guys have some sort of nagging issue
Don’t they?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
If I see Ely still in the clubhouse in about 3.5 hours, we will know something is up :)
by Eric Stephen on May 8, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Eric can you ask about Amezaga
I forgot last Tuesday
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
{cough} Sherill with sprained duckbill {cough}
or {cough} Ramon Ortiz disabled for acute boneitis.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
has this been discussed yet? my apologies if it has.
Paul said he was told by general manager Ned Colletti to work on his mental approach to the game “and being a big leaguer.”
it sure seems to me that hes playing like a big leaguer. this quote just bummed me out, i feel bad for the guy. does everything right and then is cast off with a kick in the nuts from the gm in favor an old player who is full of suck.
What an odd comment from Ned Colletti. You want him to act like a big leaguer? So sending him down to Triple-A is supposed to accomplish that?
Following this logic: Xavier Paul is getting sent down for Manny.
Manny = Big leaguer.
Xavier Paul = non- big leaguer.
Ned Colletti wants Xavier Paul to act like big leaguer.
So Xavier Paul must act like Manny.
“To me, he’s the boss, his opinion matters,” said Paul. “As a player, I have to respect that. It’s his team. At the end of the day, my thought is to keep working hard and keep playing like every day is my last. I know the situation with Manny coming back tomorrow. It is what it is. It’s a decision they have to make.”
he’s being democratic about it and spinning it off like they are sending him away in favor of manny, but he knows full well that this is about anderson. like i said a few days ago in one of the game threads, this is all about money. ned spent $550,000 so he is determined to get his moneys worth.
As usual, people are reading more into a Ned Colletti quote because of the source.
I’m sure Colletti was just giving him some pointers, advice. Encouraging him to keep preparing everyday like he was with the big club. That’s all. Nothing much to the quote, really.
by Eric Stephen on May 8, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
i got the quote from dodgers.com http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100507&content_id=9873128¬ebook_id=9888794&vkey=notebook_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la
i would think that would be a reliable source?
I meant source as in Colletti’s mouth.
Colletti could say hello, and it would be picked apart like a carcass.
by Eric Stephen on May 8, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
i am not a colletti lover or hater. i think he has done some good things and done some bad things. i just think that being honest would go a long way. this wasnt about paul vs manny it was about paul vs anderson. if the quote would have been
Paul said he was told by general manager Ned Colletti that he “appreciated his services but he was going to stick with the veteran anderson” because of his experience.i would have been disappointed, but not irritated. if you read the article its pretty obvious that paul thought he had a chance to stay, and i think he is right.
Oh man here we go
more veteraniness, the same dogged philosophy which had the Giants (when Ned was there) as one of the oldest teams in the league.
by Seanny Rotten on May 8, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
But Colletti didn’t tell him he was getting sent down because of a poor mental approach. He just gave him advice on what to work on in AAA.
Paul had to know he would be sent down, but he said all the right things an did everything he could do to make his case.
by Eric Stephen on May 8, 2010 1:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
ditto
with Paul being pencilled in as the 4th OF, not the 5th. as 4th OF he’d get semi-regular playing time and be able to hone his D.
by Seanny Rotten on May 8, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
My guess is that Colletti probably just wanted to give some words of encouragement and effed up the job.
File this one under W for Whatever.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
point taken. the way the article is written, it comes off as a kick in the nuts and not so encouraging, but i can see your logic.
It certianly sounds like Paul was taking it hard, and after his last two games, I can see why. I feel for him.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
Every player should take it hard when they get sent down
probably not a bigger chasm in living differences then the difference between the minors and majors.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I agree, I think that quote meant
basically X Paul still has some things to work on, like focusing on defense at all times, and who would disagree with that, which is part of being a big leaguer. I think people are analyzing Colletti quotes like they’re the Zapruder film.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Why should Ned Colletti get the benefit of the doubt?
He’s done nothing to earn it. Everything he has ever said has come off as nothing but hyper defensive and abrasive. Nothing is ever his fault. It took him three years to admit Juan Pierre was sort of a mistake but then he made more excuses.
by Chad Moriyama on May 8, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on Mattingly's spring comments
and probably reading too much into Torre’s yesterday and this, I’ve concluded that they think X can be the everyday starter in 2011 if he plays every day now. Plus there’s going to be the question now of whether Manny can come back to play the field or otherwise decides this summer that he’s ready for DH-dom.
by Little Blue Bicycle on May 8, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Out of curisoity, what’s the book on Mr. Paul? If indeed he is to replace Manny next year, what can we expect from him over 700 PA?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
I don't think they have any intention of going with Paul as the starting LF in 2011
unless money becomes more of a problem then it currently is. Seems to me the boys aren’t ready to cut the umbilical cord of Manny. WIth him they are terriers in heat, without him they they are neutered poodles.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Sure
I thought the general consensus was that he’d be a 4th outfielder. Which leads to two questions:
1) Do the Dodgers, in fact, think differently? Do they think he can be an every day LF? If so, I see why they send him down. He’s got to be playing every day. Could they be right about him?
2) If the Dodgers DON’T think differently — if he is to be a backup — then why the hell send him down? He is capable of doing that job today.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
Well maybe they don’t like players like Fowler taking 2nd base on a simple single to LF because his head wasn’t in the game. He had to know that Fowler was the batter and that Fowler is a monster on the base paths. If he didn’t know that, he wasn’t prepared. Maybe that is what Ned means when he says he has to act like a ballplayer. Paul doesn’t do enough things well not to do the little things. Manny can get away with that shit, Paul can’t.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
But to answer your questions
1. I’m sure they will say they think he’s a starting outfielder doesn’t mean they do. How could they, they team is going to need a hitter in that spot?
2. Maybe they want him fresh and not rusty when Manny goes down again.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
He'd be starting RF
he HAS to have more range than Etheir in right. Besides, Ethier plays LF way better than RF.
by Seanny Rotten on May 8, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Per Rotowire:
San Diego – The Padres’ pitching has been a pleasant surprise this season, but their home/road ERA splits haven’t been surprising at all:
Kevin Correia – 2.60/5.40
Jon Garland – 0.47/3.94
Mat Latos – 2.55/11.42
Clayton Richard – 2.70/4.30
Beginning Friday in Houston, the Padres will play 11 of their next 16 games on the road. At 17-11, will they still be above .500 on May 24?
Then again they get to play the Astros on the road so that is quite beneficial.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Well Extra Innings is starting to piss me off.
3 games on right now and the only one I can watch is the FOX broadcast of the one game I can care less about. Oh well Baseball seasons 1959 has a nice ring to it.
Extra Innings
has never broadcast during the Fox game of the week. Sucks for Saturdays but it is nothing new.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Not their fault
part of the MLBTV contract.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Wow during the Yankees - Red Sox game
Buck and McCarver were talking about Ethier. Noting that Ethier is the triple crown leader. Apparently him and Pedroia are besties.
mccarver and buck want to have dustins baby
so gross watching them fawn over him. also stupid ass mccarver referred to the yankees signing sabathia as “shrewd” because over his contract he will be a ‘pitcher’ not a ‘thrower’. yeah thats a shrewd brain trust over there in ny.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on May 8, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Not wanting to talk to fans doesn't make one an asshole
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Will they release Anderson, Ortiz?
In 2008, the Dodgers released Esteban Loaiza, whom they were paying $7.5 million, on June 3. So maybe that’s the rope they give any veteran not named Russ Ortiz: two months to show they can do half the job they were hired to do. On the other hand, also in 2008, they kept Mark Sweeney, who was earning $600,000, to the bitter end. So maybe the rules are different for those earning under $1 mil? Seems backwards. But the signs aren’t too good, with Anderson earning $550,000 and Ortiz $1 million. If Anderson doesn’t improve, I expect he’ll be dropped in favor of XP sometime in July, could be held off if Manny is DL’s again. Ortiz I’m not so sure: it may depend on the starting pitcher situation and how many spots they have, when/if Padilla comes back or is replaced. I expect Ely will bounce back and forth between AAA and MLB like DeWitt did last year.
I think if Heager struggles today, then Ely will be up ASAP. Not sure if they’ll get rid of Heager or Ortiz though.
by CarolinaDodger on May 8, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Another possibility
If they’re thinking about trading Manny at the deadline, they’re going to need OF help. At that point, they will have given up on this year and they will just be playing out the year with the minimum salary they can get away with.
Kemp responded with good results from the #2 spot last night
Wonder how he’ll fare with Manny hitting #4 tonight?
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