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Dodgers May in Review: Ely & The Dodgers in High Cotton

Rookie John Ely put his stamp on the Dodgers with a great month of May

The Dodgers really turned things around after a poor April.  Led by stellar pitching from the top end of both the rotation and the bullpen, and a sublime half-month from Andre Ethier, the Dodgers posted the second-best May record in Los Angeles Dodger history, behind the 21-7 May in 1962.

The Dodgers made their move in the middle of the month with a nine-game winning streak, and beat up on the National League West, winning 12 of 15 games within the division in May.  The Dodgers seem to be mirroring the Atlanta Braves, as both teams followed a 9-14 April with the best record in baseball with a 20-8 May.

Dodger Batter of MayHe may have missed 15 games, but nobody made as much of an impact on the offense as Andre Ethier.  Ethier only played 13 games in May, but still managed 19 RBI, and led the club with 14 extra-base hits.  He hit a whopping .453/.500/.906 for the month.  Honorable mention goes to nobody.  Xavier Paul had the fourth-highest OPS on the team, at .798, and he's back at Albuquerque.

Dodger Pitcher of May:   There are so many candidates here, but John Ely takes the cake.  He made five starts during May, and thew a quality start in each one.  He was 3-1 with a 2.18 ERA, a 1.78 FIP, and 28 strikeouts against just three walks.  Ely Mania is alive and well in Los Angeles.  Honorable mention goes to Clayton Kershaw and Chad Billingsley, who teamed with Ely and Hiroki Kuroda to lead the rotation, and Hong-Chih Kuo and Jonathan Broxton, who were lights out in the bullpen.

May Record:  20-8
132 runs scored (4.71 per game)
113 runs allowed (4.04 per game)
.571 pythagorean winning percentage (16-12)

May NL West Standings
Club W-L Pct GB RS RA
Dodgers 20-8 .714 --- 132 113
Rockies 16-12 .571 4 126 109
Padres 16-12 .571 4 116 91
Giants  
14-14 .500 6 109 111
Diamondbacks 9-20 .310 11½ 123 183

Season Record:  29-22
249 runs scored (4.88 per game)
242 runs allowed (4.75 per game)
.513 pythagorean winning percentage (26-25)

Season NL West Standings
Club W-L Pct GB RS RA
Padres 31-20 .608 --- 222 168
Dodgers 29-22 .569 2 249 242
Giants  
27-23 .540 210 176
Rockies 27-24 .529 4 247 204
Diamondbacks 20-32 .385 11½ 257 321

Star-divide

Game of the Month:  One night after Charlie Haeger faced five Rockies in his start and didn't retire a batter, and one game after the worst start of Clayton Kershaw's career, Kershaw and the Dodgers faced off with Ubaldo Jimenez at Dodger Stadium on May 9.  For the only time all season, somebody out-dueled Jimenez, as Kershaw threw eight scoreless innings, and the Dodgers won 2-0 against the Rockies.  To date, it is the only loss for the amazing Jimenez, who finished May with a 10-1 record and a microscopic 0.78 ERA.

Pinch Hitting:  For the month, Dodger pinch hitters had four hits in 32 at-bats, with one double and one walk, hitting .125/.152/.156.

Runners in Scoring Position:  In May, the Dodgers hit .314/.386/.518 with runners in scoring position in 280 plate appearances.  They had a runner on third base with less than two outs 65 times, and got the runner home 31 times, or 47.7% (the entire NL scored 481 of 923, 52.1%).   They had a runner on second base with nobody out 74 times, and the runner advanced 38 times, or 51.4% (the entire NL advanced the runner 467 of 1,112 times, 42.4%).

The .450 Club:  Andre Ethier had a ridiculous month before breaking his right pinkie finger, hitting .453/.500/.906.  Ethier is one of just three LA Dodgers to hit .450 in a single month with at least 50 plate appearances, and he is the only one to do it twice:

LA Dodgers to hit .450 in a Month
Player Month AB H AVG
Andre Ethier Sep 2008 78 36 .462
Pedro Guerrero     
Jul 1985 63 29 .460
Willie Davis Aug 1969 109 50 .459
Andre Ethier May 2010 53 24 .453
minimum 50 PA

Closing Time:  After getting just one save in three opportunities in April, Jonathan Broxton set a Dodger record for saves in a month in May, with 12.  Here are the Dodgers with double digit saves in a month:

LA Dodgers, Most Saves in a Month
Closer Month Saves
Jonathan Broxton  
May 2010 12
Eric Gagne Jul 2004 11
Eric Gagne May 2003 11
Eric Gagne Aug 2003 11
Eric Gagne Jun 2002 11
Jeff Shaw Jul 2001 11
Todd Worrell Jul 1997 11
Takashi Saito Aug 2007 10
Eric Gagne Jun 2003 10
Eric Gagne Aug 2002 10
Jeff Shaw Sep 1998 10
Todd Worrell Aug 1996 10

A JC SacrificeJamey Carroll had three sacrifice flies in 2008 and 2009 combined, over a total of 760 plate appearances.  Yet, pressed into full-time duty with Rafael Furcal on the disabled list for most of the month, Carroll tallied four sacrifice flies in May alone.

Upcoming Month:  The Dodgers pay 15 out of their 27 June games at home, but the opponents are much tougher.  After finishing up the final two games with Arizona, the Dodgers play 22 straight games against teams who are either in first place now (Braves, Cardinals, Reds, Yankees) or were in the playoffs last year (Red Sox, Angels).

Previous Month in Review:  April

May Stats

Player PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB/CS BA/OBP/SLG OPS wOBA
Ethier 58 53 13 24 9 0 5 19 4 0/0 .453/.500/.906 1.406 .587
Kemp 121 110 22 32 8 2 3 10 11 4/3 .291/.355/.482 .837 .363
Blake 107 94 15 26 6 0 4 12 10 0/0 .277/.358/.468 .827 .366
Loney 111 99 16 26 8 1 3 22 9 2/2 .263/.315/.455 .770 .321
DeWitt 88 81 9 21 6 3 0 9 7 0/0 .259/.318/.407 .726 .316
Carroll 89 73 12 21 2 0 0 10 12 1/0 .288/.371/.315 .686 .314
Martin 115 101 17 23 4 0 2 8 11 2/1 .228/.322/.327 .648 .296
Manny 71 60 8 12 2 0 2 13 9 0/1 .200/.310/.333 .643 .282
Furcal 27 26 2 8 1 0 0 3 0 0/0 .308/.296/.346 .642 .280
Starters
787 697 114 193 46 6 19 106 73 9/7 .277/.347/.442 .789
Paul 49 42 6 13 3 1 0 6 4 0/3 .310/.370/.429 .798 .366
Johnson 49 44 3 14 3 0 0 3 2 1/1 .318/.354/.386 .741 .330
Belliard 29 25 2 6 2 0 0 3 4 0/0 .240/.345/.320 .665 .292
Anderson 37 35 2 7 1 1 0 3 1 1/0 .200/.216/.286 .502 .218
Ellis 9 9 0 2 0 0 0 2 0 0/0 .222/.222/.222 .444 .200
Green 9 8 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0/0 .125/.222/.125 .347 .182
Bench
182 163 13 43 9 2 0 18 11 2/1 .264/.315/.344 .658
Pitchers
68 53 5 4 0 0 0 1 3 0/0 .075/.123/.075 .198
Totals
1037 913 132 240 55 8 19 125 87 11/8 .263/.329/.403 .732 .321

 

Pitcher G W-L Sv IP H R ER BB K ERA WHIP FIP*
Ely 5 3-1 -- 33.0 27 8 8 3 28 2.18 0.909 1.78
Kershaw 6 4-2 -- 34.2 25 12 11 15 39 2.86 1.154 2.88
Billingsley 6 4-1 -- 39.0 34 14 13 10 38 3.00 1.128 3.92
Monasterios 2 1-0 -- 9.0 8 5 3 3 3 3.00 1.222 6.76
Kuroda 6 3-2 -- 36.2 43 22 18 10 23 4.42 1.445 3.75
Ra.Ortiz 2 0-1 -- 7.1 12 8 8 6 5 9.82 2.455 5.25
Haeger 1 0-1 -- 0.0 2 5 5 3 0 inf inf inf
Starters 28
15-8 -- 159.2 151 74 66 50 136 3.72 1.259 3.49
Kuo 11 0-0 -- 10.2 3 0 0 3 15 0.00 0.563 1.23
Miller 1 0-0 -- 1.1 0 0 0 0 1 0.00 0.000 1.70
Broxton 14 2-0 12/13 14.2 14 4 3 2 21 1.84 1.091 0.75
Monasterios 4 0-0 -- 9.0 7 2 2 2 5 2.00 1.000 2.76
Haeger 1 0-0 -- 4.0 5 1 1 1 3 2.25 1.500 2.45
Weaver 11 2-0 -- 10.0 7 4 4 2 9 3.60 0.900 2.00
Ra.Ortiz 4 1-0 -- 10.0 10 4 4 2 9 3.60 1.200 4.60
Troncoso 12 0-0 -- 11.2 13 9 8 4 8 6.17 1.457 7.57
Belisario 13 0-0 -- 11.0 7 8 8 8 12 6.55 1.364 4.11
Sherrill 9 0-0 -- 6.1 9 6 6 5 5 8.53 2.211 3.99
Elbert 1 0-0 -- 0.2 1 1 1 3 0 13.50 6.000 16.70
Relievers 28
5-0 12/3 89.1 76 39 37 32 88 3.73 1.209 3.32
Totals 28
20-8 12/13 249.0 227 113 103 82 224 3.72 1.241 3.43
*FIP is estimated

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Amazing

John Ely as April Pitcher of the Month. Even if he does nothing else this year, he’s already made a huge impact on this team. Kenny Williams, enjoy your left-fielder.

by kinbote on Jun 1, 2010 7:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Excellent choice on game of the month

Every time I hear Ubaldo’s win/loss record (now currently sitting at an incredible 10-1) I smile thinking that it was Kershaw that gave Ubaldo the only loss.

by Michael White on Jun 1, 2010 7:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Me too! I love that he is 10-1 instead of 10-0. Makes me smile each time I see it.

by CarolinaDodger on Jun 1, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm super nervous for June.

It’s going to be a rough month. Especially if the Padres keep beating on people in an inexplicable manner.

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jun 1, 2010 8:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Padres have it easier

They play Mets, Phillies, Mets again, Mariners, Blue Jays, Orioles (!), Rays (OK, one difficult team), Marlins, Rockies in June. Everything else equals out over the season, but I wouldn’t say that Mariners, Blue Jays, Rays, Orioles = Angels, Red Sox, Angels, Yankees. (Old story re interleague.) And in June, Dodgers have stiffer NL competition (Braves, Cards, Reds, Giants) than Padres do. So I think we’ll need to wait until later in the season, especially when we get to play them head-to-head, to i prove our standings in NL West. I wouldn’t expect it to happen in June, unless that’s when Padres fall apart.

by berkowit28 on Jun 1, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s definitely going to be a tough June, and I believe June is a month the Dodgers usually have trouble in anyway (or am I thinking of July?), so we definitely need the pitching to keep up what they have been doing and for the hitting to get out of this funk. I think the hitting rests on Manny’s shoulders, because if he continues to suck ass, this team can’t win consistently.

"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"

by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I look forward to seeing Ethier and Manny

face the Red Sox and Yankees. Manny in Boston is going to be a lot of fun to watch and maybe Ethier will show some of that walk-off magic against the Yanks. On another note, I was watching the Matt Kemp documentary on Fox Sports after the game and did I hear right when Steve Lyons said that Matt lives in La Palma?

by Ian Capilouto on Jun 1, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions  

La Palma is around Cerritos Artesia area.

I think I misheard because I figure that Matt Kemp can buy a place somewhere a little more loftier. No offense to those from La Palma though.

by Ian Capilouto on Jun 1, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Vin Scully is my Homeboy had a post about Kemp buying an apartment somewhere recently.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can buy apartments?

by delias man on Jun 1, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. I guess you never watch HGTV.

by silverwidow on Jun 1, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

My guess is that it is roughly the same procedurally as a condo.

Perfect for those that want their own place, but also want a doorman

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe there are no HOA fees.

by delias man on Jun 1, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

and no water rationing

by Xeifrank on Jun 1, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

last I heard

Kemp and Ethier were neighbors, and lived close to Manny in the valley.. i think Pasadena?

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 1, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny used to live on my street in Pasadena, but I have not heard of any sightings recently.

by robotmadeofnails on Jun 1, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

THE Valley is the San Fernando Valley

Pasadena is in the San Gabriel Valley. :)

I thought the Ethier family lives in AZ year-round.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Kemp lives in the moment.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

As he should. He comes off as a complex and complicated individual.

I really liked the concept of him and steve lyons driving around town in his toyota cube car. I have often thought if I were famous and giving an interview, I would do something similar to that.

by Ian Capilouto on Jun 1, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perfect movie for last night's game

The synopsis: “Set in Brooklyn in the summer of 1958, the year the Dodgers moved to Los Angeles, this is the story of a gang war in turbulent times”

The title: Deuces Wild (no explanation needed)

The third actor listed: Fairuza Balk

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

The Sandra Bernhard All-Stars

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jim McLennan of AZ Snake Pit points out that the runner to score on the last balk-off was Kelly Johnson, for the Braves in 2008.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice :)
  1. Dscf3252_normal reflectnsofblue The perfect game today was actually tossed by John Ely wearing a Roy Halladay costume. #ElyMania 2 days ago from web

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

More Dan Haren trade rumors this morning. If he’s really available, he’s by FAR the biggest prize of this year’s deadline.

Two or three months of Cliff Lee would be nice, too, but having a legit ace locked up for 3 years at a bargain rate is incredible.

by silverwidow on Jun 1, 2010 9:44 AM PDT reply actions  

The Dbacks aren't dumb, they will get a gigantic haul for Haren

And I might actually be fine with paying whatever that might be for him.

1. Withrow/E. Martin/Gordon
2. Miller/De Jesus/Lambo
3. Jansen/Gould/Eovaldi/Russell
4. Sands/Guerra/Robinson/Van Slyke
5. Throw in prospect(s)

With the contract that Haren has, and the skill level that Haren has (seems to be a fly ball pitcher with all those HR given up, never walks anyone, best strikeout rate of career in 2010), he could do incredibly well at Dodger Stadium.

Would anyone disagree with this offer as the dbacks asking price? And would anyone be willing to give that for Haren?

If they would take this I would give:

Gordon
De Jesus
Eovaldi
Robinson/Van Slyke
Throw in prospect, possibly fringe prospect

Because it’s in-division, I would guess it would take Miller instead of Eovaldi and possibly upgrade in another tier. Thoughts?

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really like Haren and it would be a pleasure watching him pitch for my team.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t it be great to have an ace who walks less than 2 people per 9 innings? Not that I’m complaining about Kershaw, cause he’s the man, but you get it.

Haren has 3 years on his deal I believe, and at a cheaper price than Oswalt. God that would be nice to get Haren.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thinking about this. Obviously we have no way of knowing what the Diamondbacks would want, so my comment is gonna be sheer navel-gazing. That said, if YOU were the D-Backs, realistically, wouldn’t you feel that you’d have to get some established major leaguer — or at the very least, a top-quality ML-ready talent?

The Dodgers don’t have the latter — at least, not that can be sold as the linchpin of a Haren deal. So who on the 25-man roster would you be willing to part with for Haren?

I love the guy I’m about to name… but what about Kuo? He would be a handy guy in the Arizona bullpen. And he’s a GREAT reliever — he immediately becomes their closer, I think. Because he has such great value, he eases the load of prospects that the Dodgers would have to give up….

….I don’t know. I really like Kuo and it would hurt to give him up. But this is Haren we’re talking about — to get him, on his deal, the deal SHOULD hurt a bit.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate how much sense you are making here, and thinking about it, it makes perfect sense for them to go after Kuo to try and make something of their awful, awful bullpen. After what you said about wanting more MLB ready talent, I think I would change the offer to something of:

Ely
Kuo
Gordon
Jansen
Eovaldi/Miller

Seeing as they do have huge bullpen problems, getting Kuo is an obvious help. But they might want someone who has the potential to be a dominant closer, and Jansen could be that guy. Ely gives them an MLB ready prospect who’s incredibly hot right now. Gordon is our 1st or 2nd best prospect, and eovaldi/miller would be the worst player in the offer, which would be pretty nice.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ely makes sense to include. I doubt ARI would value Kuo so highly, considering he’s always a pitch away from a career ending injury.

by Michael White on Jun 1, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think this is starting to look more realistic. Ely and Kuo and start adding prospects from there — more and better prospects for Haren, fewer and worse for Oswalt, because Oswalt costs more…. but both will cost Ely and Kuo. If the D-Backs/Astros don’t want Kuo, it can be Bellisario or Troncoso or any reliever in the pen that doesn’t get Iron Man played when he comes into the game.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that injury concern is definitely a big one, but when you are the Dbacks with their bullpen

Do you think there might be a sense of desperation and a severe need to fix it? Some teams don’t value relievers that high, but some are willing to trade their best 3B prospects for them :(

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

ARI doesn’t need to be desperate. If the situation was turned and ARI was 2 out and the Dodgers were in firesale, I could see the Diamonbacks being interested in Kuo. He can be a huge help to a team down the stretch. But he’s not a long term option and since the Diamonbacks should be thinking long term, I would think Kuo is worth more to us than to them.

by Michael White on Jun 1, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

At the very least, I think it’s worth a phone call to the Diamondbacks. You start with Ely, one of the Dodgers’ good relievers who isn’t Broxton, and two top prospects, and see what they say. If they laugh at you, it’s not going to happen and the conversation stops. If they come back and ask for Kershaw or Kemp, same thing. But there’s a lot of wiggle room in that deal. Ely and a good reliever seems like a good place to start a conversation.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we should also get Bill Murphy back in the deal, no matter where he currently is.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chiba Lotte, says Wikipedia, which never lies.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Diamondbacks are folding up shop for years if they trade Haren. Their pitching staff would be down to E-Jax, Kennedy, and hoping that Jarrod Parker doesn’t flame out like every single D-Backs pitching prospect. If you’re gonna kill a team that’s still pretty young, you need something more than a marginal starter, a reliever, and crappy prospects.

by regfairfield on Jun 1, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Diamondbacks have Haren now, and one might say that they have already folded up shop. I could be wrong — hell, I usually am — but I think if the Diamondbacks are looking for a Bartolo Colon-to-the-Expos type of deal, then Haren will continue to be a Diamondback.

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by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m just sayin’ it’s gonna take more than a deal headlined by Dee Gordon and John Ely. Would you take a similar package for Ethier?

by regfairfield on Jun 1, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure what I would want for Ethier, but before this year he was not an elite player, and most likely still is not, so I’m not even sure there would be more than an A-/B+ prospect with one or two others surrounding him at lower prospect levels.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know how long I want to stay on board this train, because I mostly agree with you.

That said, I am officially the last person to get on board the Ethier train. I wouldn’t compare him to Haren. He had a great month, but he’s had great months before, which have alternated with months where he’s been awful. He’s always ended up in the mid-800s OPS for the season. Maybe this year is different and I certainly would welcome being wrong about him. Like I say, I’m wrong about just about everything…. but I STILL think that the most likely outcome for him this year is mid-800 OPS.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey when you’re looking for a guy who’s in his late 20s with three years of club control, it narrows down the options fast.

by regfairfield on Jun 1, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’ll also note how neatly I sidestepped your original question and turned it back around on you! Take that!

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've never been extremely high on Ethier

but I think he can end up with a >.900 OPS this season, and likely will. The problem is that his defense is still pretty bad, which drags down some of his value. It might be a different story in LF, but he’s a RF until Manny is gone.

I honestly don’t know what Ethier’s value might be on the market, because Bay would have been a pretty good comp., but Bay was had for flamed out prospects essentially, so there’s no real way to tell.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Andre Ethier = Brad Hawpe, you don’t really need to convince me.

by regfairfield on Jun 1, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ethier is a Dodger killer?

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Ethier is a Killer Dodger :D

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, that’s an obvious one, good call.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I fail to see how trading Haren is good for the Arizona organization. This isn’t a team full of over-priced veterans that need to purged so that a rebuilding can begin. There is still a lot of young talent on the team with Upton, Reynolds, Drew, etc.

by OB12 on Jun 1, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

The D-Backs would laugh at your offer. It’s actually close to those Granick trade offers, really.

by silverwidow on Jun 1, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lol, don’t be a dick cause I always call you out on your wavering-crushes.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

How is this being a ‘dick’?? Your offer is ridiculous. Dan Haren, one of the best pitchers in baseball with a sweetheart contract, and you want to offer a pair of light hitting SS, a future reliever, and a middling OF prospect. Give me a break.

by silverwidow on Jun 1, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

You said it was the same as an offer for greinke which included Josh Towers and other trash, these are actual prospects. I said that was the deal I would like to give, not the one I thought would be accepted. Maybe you should stop ‘slurping on Strasburg’ enough to actually read what I said. It could be any combination of the players I put on the 1-5 list.

So instead of just scoffing at the offer I said I would like to give, not that I said “duh they’ll take it, they are idiotzzzz”, maybe you should see that I said that the Dbacks are not dumb and will get a gigantic haul for him. But shit happens, which explains the Miguel Cabrera trade, so nothing is impossible.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I didn’t say it was the SAME as the offers for Greinke made by that idiot/troll. Reading comprehension is YOUR friend. But the quality of players you are offering, while actual prospects, vis-a-vis Haren’s talent and contract are gigantic in difference.

And you can piss off on those Strasburg references.

by silverwidow on Jun 1, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s actually close to those Granick trade offers, really.

Hooray, you are TECHNICALLY right. You just said it was close to those idiotic offers. Score. Gordon is still a top prospect regardless of a few bad weeks, but from what i’ve seen of you this season just dumping prospects that are having a hard time, I can see why you would think Gordon wouldn’t be valued highly. And again, I didn’t say the 5 players I put on there would be a deal they would accept, i said it’s what I would like to see happen…you know…like I’d like to be a millionaire…but that ain’t happening either.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think we have what it would take to get Haren.

by OB12 on Jun 1, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

We do, but we wouldn’t want to give it up.

by Xeifrank on Jun 1, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right. I just think we are better off targeting Oswalt, it what looks like a buyer’s market this season. Sure Haren is the better pitcher of the two, even though Oswalt has been better this season, but Oswalt seems like the better fit for this team.

by OB12 on Jun 1, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would have no problems going after Oswalt, my problems are just that he is more expensive and he has talked about retiring after his contract and if we got him we couldn’t really think about either resigning him or getting draft picks for him when he leaves as a FA.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe not, and I know there are teams that could easily outbid the Dodgers, but if Ely is involved being as hot as he is with either Gordon or Withrow going, you just give the Dbacks a choice of another 2 or 3 prospects and they might decide that they don’t mind Haren coming to LA.

More realistically, he will end up in Boston if they start freaking out about their pitching troubles.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point he would be a guy I would not trade. My no trade list is short at this point, and it’s more of a “Won’t trade if I can help it” list, but it includes:

Webster
Kyle Russell
One of Chris Withrow or Ethan Martin
And Garrett Gould

I think these guys should be kept at all costs, with only a few exceptions.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am higher on him than just about everyone. If he were used to get us Lee, Oswalt, Haren, or another big SP, I would definitely send him off…But I’d rather see a lot of other people used in a trade before him.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK

So you would send off Withrow or Martin before Russell. I am amazed at Russell’s offensive numbers, but his K rate MUST improve or else he will get swallowed in Double- A.

I want to see how he does in AA before I say anything

by Julio Nievas on Jun 1, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lol, no, they are on the list with him (it’s in no real order). I don’t want to trade either Withrow or Martin, but if I did I WOULD NOT trade both of them.

If I had to order it I would go:

Withrow
Martin
Gould
Webster
Russell

And I’d be completely willing to trade anyone else in the organization ahead of these 5 guys, and I’d be very iffy on trading any of these 5.

The k rate is a bit scary, but he mashes anyway and still walks a ton. He plays above average defense and can run the bases well. This guy could have a nice future.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he means untradeable per se. I think he wouldn’t trade him at where Russell’s perceived value is right now.

Russell is not better than Withrow. But the thinking is that Withrow would command a more equitable return in a trade as opposed to Russell who would likely be considered a low level throw in.

by Michael White on Jun 1, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

My point is there’s likely no upside in trading Russell. If somebody else wanted Russell and would give the Dodgers a good return, then great. But more likely, the market doesn’t value Russell at all (at this point) so the Dodgers are better off not including him in a trade and seeing what they have as he moves to AA.

by Michael White on Jun 1, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

What’s the upside of keeping Russell though? He’s not better than Paul, Lambo, or Robinson. He also bats right handed.

What’s his best case scenario? He’d be pre 2010 Andre with better defense? But the close reality if he can ever make it to the majors is that he’s on the short side of a platoon with Paul.

We can find other players for that. If the Astros want him, (and I’m not sure they would), let them have him.

by Tripon on Jun 1, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who says he’s not better than all of those guys? He’s put up far better numbers than any of them ever have, just at an older age so people just discount them and ride him off. I would have no qualms saying Russell>Robinson. None. Lambo might end up the better hitter, but Russell is the better and more athletic of the two. Paul could be a league average MLB player and has already gotten experience doing that, so I can’t argue that Paul isn’t better at this point than Russell, but I believe Russell has higher upside but lower down side.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a Russell supporter since Dodgers drafted him

(or even before then, as a college player) I agree with that last part totally. Higher upside, lower down side. Some scouts have said (as a negative thing) he seems another Rob Deer. I don’t think that’s a) the worst thing in the world but b) totally accurate. But I admit his progress fascinates me.

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by underdog on Jun 1, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah exactly. Paul is definitely a higher point now than Russell, but Paul doesn’t have much room to go up, while Russell has a ton of room still. His power with his eye at the plate and his defensive skills really makes him a threat in every aspect of the game, just not at say Kemp’s level (or 2009 Kemp’s level, lol).

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

His defensive are + in the corner OF. It’s a nice thing to have, but how much is that really going to mean as he progresses up the ladder? Plus defensive skills are going to mean much more at the premium defensive positions: SS, 2B, C, 3B, CF.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It will just be nice that he won’t be turning into a Manny, Dunn, Hawpe, or Ethier in the corner outfield position, you know?

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes and no

The big knock on guys like Dunn, Burrell (when he was still a hitter) and the like has been that while they’re quality bats, their defensive shortcomings actually all but negate their offensive contributions (at least when compared to the average player at that position), and many of the newer defensive metrics seem to back that up. SO take someone like Russell, who has the potential to be someone like Burrell with the bat, but also with a plus glove (or at least around average, instead of a complete defensive sink), and that has some real value.

So yes, defense alone in this case might not have much value, but its simply another mark of potential in his corner given the whole picture.

by EMDarrow on Jun 1, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kyle Russell hits LEFT-handed

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, definitely that too. If anything, Russell’s value should be rising daily. The problem is his value is still so very low because no one thinks much of him because his age and the level at which he is playing. If he was 3 years younger he would be a top 100 prospect most likely, though it’s understandable he’s not at 24 years old. There would be no real point in trading Russell this year as he would just end up being a space filler, though I think it would end up biting us in the ass.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

No ones value rises in the Cal League, factor in thats he 54 years old and playing mostly 19-20 YOs.

He would be a throw in at this point.

He has no reason to be in Inland Empire, other than the team sucks and they want to draw fans.

by NotJoeTorre on Jun 1, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He crushed a pitchers league last year, that’s what first got me to notice him. In a trade he’s almost worthless right now, but that’s not his real value, and it would be retarded to trade him at this point BECAUSE he is so worthless in a trade.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

avg age

of Cal leaguers this year is 22.8 for hitters and 22.9 for pitchers.

by npurcell on Jun 1, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I happened to catch the last 20-ish minutes of Colin Cowherd (well, I am doing so now), and I am mad that he said he likes Brian Regan.

I like Brian Regan; I don’t want to be on the same side as Cowherd on any issue.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 9:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I have no idea how that guy is as popular as he is.

I get it when obnoxious loud guys are popular on talk radio. they are usually funny or at least interesting but Cowherd has nothing remotely likable about him.

by Ian Capilouto on Jun 1, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

He seems like he knows football and he rarely takes on a completely indefensible position. You could do worse.

by regfairfield on Jun 1, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

>> You could do worse.

Yes, you could make your living by having a show based off of making fun of and calling people names and having your listeners read faxes over the air.

by Xeifrank on Jun 1, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

LMAO

I have the same feeling as you, screw Cowherd, I wish he would like Jeff Dunham or Dane Cook instead.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ely Mania

John Ely and Oliver Perez are twins, were raised by C.J. Cregg until Ely threw Perez into the nougat center of the island

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 10:06 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Last night

was the first time in 16 games the Dodger starting pitcher didn’t get a decision. Billingsley went eight innings, longer than any of the previous 15 Dodger starts.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I was feeling optimistic that Manny could get a single off a 111-pitch (or whatever it was) Rodrigo Lopez to get Chad the win.

by JonWeisman on Jun 1, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was in the same boat

Kind of shocked to see him strikeout, especially against a tired Lopez, but then again he did hit .200 for the month :(

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t the runner only on first?

by delias man on Jun 1, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, does that mean

That Ely pitched the last two innings in a Bills costume? Everyone knows Chad can’t pitch past six.

by EMDarrow on Jun 1, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ely pitched innings three through eight. He doesn’t walk anyone nor does he give up dingers.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

That explains it

So has he been pitching for everyone lately? And if so, was he just feeling sorry for Colorado during Kershaw’s outing?

by EMDarrow on Jun 1, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Current playoffs is only the last 10 games counted for team record, with current win streak being the tie-breaker.

AL
(WC) Toronto vs (1) Oakland
(3) Boston vs (2) Minnesota

NL
(WC) Colorado vs (1) Atlanta
(3) St Louis vs (2) San Diego

by Xeifrank on Jun 1, 2010 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Damn, this would be quite the playoff picture.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Roger Federer out in the quarterfinals at the French Open.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

He made the semifinals in the last 23 grand slam events. Last time was 2004 French Open, when he lost in third round.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Robin Soderling, who was 0-12 against Federer before today.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Adding a third name to the big SP market would be huge

If the Haren rumor has any legs to it, then the price for one of Oswalt and Lee just got lower still.
In a market without NYY, Boston, Philly and (maybe ) NYM…the buyer with the dollar will be King!
Is it late July yet?

by megaballs on Jun 1, 2010 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

I didn't even think about that aspect of it

This could help us get Lee or Oswalt for a cheaper price…hmmm…

Last year I thought it was the big year where the Dodgers would get the big ace SP…I think I might have been a year off…or maybe it’s the drugs talking, haha, jk.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Figure that pitchers a notch below these names like Millwood, Lilly, and Westbrook should also be available, making the trade deadline season pretty good buyer’s market for arms.

by OB12 on Jun 1, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

MiLB stuff: Hopefully E. Martin could follow up Eovaldi's performance

He’s facing Lancaster tonight. Last time he performed there, he was downright terrible.

by Julio Nievas on Jun 1, 2010 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

I just realized the former tag-team of Martin and Eovaldi both pitched shut outs in each of their last starts. Very nice!

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

The wind was fucking crazy that day. But the wind has been better as of late.

by NotJoeTorre on Jun 1, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rosenthal of Fox Sports and few bloggers

by megaballs on Jun 1, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly. Starts with Rosenthal saying D-Backs having “internal discussions” on E-Jax and Haren. Then a blogger or two start running.
Even if “internal discussions” were held, and they could happen every week, the conclusion could have been that Haren’s value to AZ for the next year or two makes him a cornerstone piece.
Who knows, but the rumors can only help…

by megaballs on Jun 1, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was no balk last night...

but rather a Morse Code message to Rosenthal.

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by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 1, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

For Phil

Matt Kemp finished with an OPS of .837 for May,

by Tripon on Jun 1, 2010 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I checked his season numbers today

and was surprised to see that he has a .512 slugging percentage…much higher than I thought he would have at this point.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kemp also started walking more. Offensively he’s where we think he should be.

Defensively, he’s getting better as well.

by Tripon on Jun 1, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah he had 11 walks in May, which was very surprising.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prospects aside...

…is it realistic given McCourt’s apparent financial constraints that the Dodgers could take on Oswalt or Haren, or acquire and extend Lee, and also bring in someone to replace Manny in left field in 2011? Or would such a pitching acquisition also mandate that we really do want X Paul in New Mexico working on his outfield play?

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by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 1, 2010 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Canuck asked about Brett Wallach on the minor league upate thread

here is the information:

Phil,
I believe it’s just a paper move. He’s actually doing well here … and I believe he’s still in Midland with the team. Since Ogden hasn’t started yet, it’s a way of putting another pitcher on the roster. Austin Yount was also “sent” to Ogden a week ago, but never left town. Now he’s back on the roster.
Until Ogden starts its season, I don’t put a lot of stock in the roster moves to Ogden … unless Wallach has physically shown up at extended spring training. I’m not sure if he has.
There is one bit of news that is interesting. If Wallach does show up in Ogden eventually, it’s because the Dodgers seem to be extending Allen Webster’s innings. He put in seven innings in his last start (gave up four hits, no runs).
He began the season in a piggy-back situation with Matt Magill, similar to what Ethan Martin and Nathan Eovaldi did last year to keep their innings down. That arrangement has changed. Now, Webster seems to be on his own and Magill is piggy-backing with Rubby De La Rosa. Where that leaves Wallach, I’m not sure.
Rotation now is Will Savage (overage, over-experienced but very effective); Elisaul Pimentel (doing well), Josh Wall (doing better than numbers indicate), Webster and Magill/De La Rosa.
Once Ogden starts its season, some decisions will have to be made. Does Savage, Wall or Webster move up? Does Magill or Wallach move down?
We’ll see.
Hugh
P.S. – I’m figuring at the midseason break, Russell and Sands each get promoted. They have nothing left to prove where they are now. Pitchers aren’t giving Sands anything even remotely close to hit. I don’t blame them.

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by Phil Gurnee on Jun 1, 2010 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for that

(PS: Sorry for dumb question, but who is Hugh? That’s good stuff.)

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by underdog on Jun 1, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's the beat writer for the Loons

Hugh has some great insight and has answered Phil’s questions about Loon’s prospects in the past.

He’s a great resource.

by Michael White on Jun 1, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

I would have beat you to it, but I provided his last name, and checked the spelling of it.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hugh Bernreuter

writes for The Saginaw News and is the beat reporter for the Loons.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's really cool

and great news about Russell and Sands.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

So the Phille Phanatic hobnobs with Supreme Court justices, apparently...

"He opened the door," Justice Alito recalled, "and the Phillie Phanatic came in and gave me a big hug. And it was great."

http://tinyurl.com/34pwks8

by mochemin on Jun 1, 2010 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

A couple of awesome asides in that article
In 1973, while the court heard arguments during the National League Championship Series, Justice Potter Stewart passed a note to Justice Harry A. Blackmun that exhibited a nice sense of proportion.

"V.P. Agnew just resigned!!" the note said, adding, "Mets 2 Reds 0."
Justice John Paul Stevens, a Cubs fan, who was at Wrigley Field for Game 3 of the 1932 World Series and witnessed Babe Ruth’s legendary called-shot home run.

Stevens, the justice that is retiring shortly, was 12 when he attended that game.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want to start up the trade banter again,

but I thought, strictly speaking, that teams really don’t like to trade within their division and aren’t too interested to trade within the league. So wouldn’t that mean that any trade with AZ would be super lopsided to make it worthwhile?

I personally don’t think it’s worth it, but that’s mostly because I think our starting rotation is fine and should be (relatively?) stable once Padilla is back on board.

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by Maddz on Jun 1, 2010 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

You're probably right

and we’d have to pay a very big price, more than normal, to get Haren.

I do, however, think it would be worth it, because it would give us one of the very top staffs in baseball this year, and then we’d have him for another 2 years after and we would just not resign Kuroda after the year, which we may not anyway. Haren, Kershaw, Billingsley…one hell of a top 3. Then again any pitcher with Kershaw and Bills is a hell of a top 3.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that the reason why

the cost to rent Jon Garland for five weeks was Tony Abreu?

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking.

And that’s why despite people wanting Gonzales or Bell, there was a very, teeny tiny chance that we were going to be on the receiving end of that.

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by Maddz on Jun 1, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

In 2 Sundays

at Dodger Stadium, it will be My Town, Fernando Valley. Those with tickets in that section get this shirt:

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

That’s awesome. A legend among legends.

by kinbote on Jun 1, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the context of Señor Stopper

I think “San” still applies and shouldn’t be deleted.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would almost sit in those awful seats for that.

by delias man on Jun 1, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ed Price ed_price
  
Source says Dontrelle Willis going from #Tigers to #Diamondbacks pending physicals.

by Julio Nievas on Jun 1, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watchoo talkin bout?

by kinbote on Jun 1, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly enough

He might actually be an upgrade for them. At least out of the pen anyway, maybe not in the rotation.

by EMDarrow on Jun 1, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOOOOO!

Or not. Though I’m afraid of him hitting against us, lol.

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Selig must have got pissed about declining home run rates.

by regfairfield on Jun 1, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

D-Train

is perhaps headed here.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

ANy word who or what is going to Detroit?

I dunno why but it would make me happy to see Abreu traded to Detroit. That way we don’t have to have him bite us in the ass.

by EephusBlue on Jun 1, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

boooooo. Edwin;s 3.88 XFIP says hi. On a serious note, Dontrelle in Chase field is scary. With his control problems and the amount of home runs that that field gives up, there could be some ugly number.

by UCLADodger32 on Jun 1, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine AZ is giving up anybody of consequence

He was just going to be released anyway with DET picking up his entire salary if AZ didn’t trade for him. AZ will pick up some of the cash and give DET a low level minor leaguer.

by Michael White on Jun 1, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If this isn't green in the next 10 minutes I will be very ashamed of everyone in here, lol

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by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

That second error on the Johnson play

Should be on LaRoche. He makes too much money to not teleport in front of that ball and knock it down.

by EMDarrow on Jun 1, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Where were the two runners at when it was hit?

by robotmadeofnails on Jun 1, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kemp and Furcal started at 2nd and 3rd

and were running on contact with two outs. They scored easily.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, after the bobble…runner at first is safe easy one run at least would score, maybe even 2 if Furcal pulled a Willie Mays Hayes

by robotmadeofnails on Jun 1, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kemp was on 2nd

Furcal walked in and Kemp busted hard around 3rd and coasted in with his fist in the air. Throw was horrible. It ended up around the on deck circle or past it against the back stop.

by keithc13 on Jun 1, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

so if Kemp is running hard the whole way, would he have made it on a clean throw with the runner safe at first? I know this is all speculation.

by robotmadeofnails on Jun 1, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

?

I can’t remember how hard he was going at the bag. I remember seeing the replay when and he was busting at the bag, but they didn’t show him the whole time. Maybe someone else, who watched the replay over and over cound do better at the second part of the question. I doubt there are many MLB’ers that could make it on a clean throw, even on LaRoche. :-)

by keithc13 on Jun 1, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

A coach in the Arizona dugout says he would have made it

Kemp might have. Would have been pretty interesting if Johnson had decided to pick up ball, set himself, and throw home instead.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I want to know is

What did Bob Timmermann think about that play being scored a double error?

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by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

That Drew throw still makes me laugh every time a see it. Its just funny to see a major leaguer throw a ball like that.

by UCLADodger32 on Jun 1, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last night, the Johnson play happened as I was putting Spawn down to sleep. We had some people over and the adults were in the other room, watching the game. I heard a whoop and cheering, which Spawn did not appreciate. A few minutes later, with Spawn settled but not asleep, I went back into the living room. I was greeted with, “We’re backing it up. You gotta see this.”

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by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our two exchange students

who have seen very little baseball watched the last three innings with us. I didn’t start the evening expecting to have to explain the balk rule to them. They will make their visit to DS with us tonight.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha

Maybe tonight you will get to explain the infield fly rule.

by Michael White on Jun 1, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

"... their FIRST visit to DS ..."

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

where are they from?

by keithc13 on Jun 1, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Slovakia and Mongolia

A girl from Belgium who is being hosted across the street is coming also.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those from Mongolia and Slovakia

probably don’t get the most exposure to baseball! That is cool. My aunt has had 4 or 5 exchange students. They were mostly from Central and South America.

by keithc13 on Jun 1, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last night we were all AWARE of the balk rule, but even then, we had trouble divining exactly where Vazquez had balked. And from the conversation this morning, I gather it’s at least a mildly controversial call — a controversy that is quelled by Hinch’s reaction that he saw the balk the whole way and that’s why he didn’t argue it.

I can’t imagine trying to explain that play to someone who (a) wasn’t aware of the rule, (b) had only a rough familiarity with the game, and © spoke English as a second language.

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by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was so slight it was almost stupid. Left leg (knee) started to move up right before he stepped off with his right foot. Basically he was starting to go into the set position and stopped and then stepped off.

by robotmadeofnails on Jun 1, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bottom Line – When you are on the rubber you just can not move that front leg one millimeter without going to the plate.

by delias man on Jun 1, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s why I have no forgiveness for somebody who gets picked off of first by a right handed pitcher. It’s not rocket science. If he moves his right leg, dive back to the bag. If he moves his left leg, you are good to go.

by Michael White on Jun 1, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

forgive me if I’m wrong but what if he doesn’t move forward and does his pickoff move?

by LA Taco on Jun 1, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

I thought RHP are allowed to step with their front foot toward 1B with their back foot still on the rubber and throw to first, just like LHP are obviously allowed to do.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with you guys on this one.

If the left foot moves, you have to come home (is my memory of it.) Otherwise, you would see right handers lift up their leg, hold it and then either come home or back to first.

by Michael White on Jun 1, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was a pitcher and did this all the time. Right foot stays on the rubber and left foot steps directly to first base. Now if you do some other wierd stuff with your left leg, then yes you could be balking – depending on what you are doing.

by Xeifrank on Jun 1, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

it would be a lot easier to steal bases if this were the case… as long as your front leg does not move forward, my understanding is you can do your move to the base. But then again the last time I practiced this as a runner was 15 years ago so YMMV

by LA Taco on Jun 1, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine

that the rule is different for LHP vs. RHP.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can move your left leg first and step towards an occupied base. You do not have to take your right foot off the rubber (RHP). You can do so and fake a throw to 2nd and 3rd base, but not to first. If you take your right foot off the rubber, then you can fake to first base also. Basic baseball.

by Xeifrank on Jun 1, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right on.

There is no rule against a RHP moving his left foot towards first base, but lifting the foot straight up or back is the only way to move to the plate. The pitcher can move it towards first but it is way too obvious and there is no way to make a quick or effective move by doing it. That is the reason isn’t used.

by keithc13 on Jun 1, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

What if they were from the Balkan Peninsula? I imagine they would have an innate understanding of the rule then :)

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

My Mom

has watched baseball for 40 years, and she still can’t wrap her mind around it. I explained to her 5 times, as soon as he moves the front leg, he has to move to the plate. She said, "but he really didn’t move it, just flinched it a little!’ HA!

You’re 100% right on A, B, and C!

by keithc13 on Jun 1, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

toward the plate, or toward an occupied base, e.g., a pickoff attempt.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute. I think the events went like this:

1. Vazquez comes set.
2. Blake starts dancing.
3. Vazquez flinches his front leg.
4. Vazquez steps off with his back leg.
5. Vazquez raises his right arm, with the ball in it, pointing at third base.
6. Second base ump goes nuts.

Where in that sequence would Vazquez have been all right if he’d just thrown to third, where Blake was dancing?

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remove line 3,5 then he would be OK

by delias man on Jun 1, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think David

is generalizing the ruling, that if you move the foot, you have to make a move to a base or to the plate.

by keithc13 on Jun 1, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't think he ever came to a set position

He was crouched over with the ball behind his back, then he bent his front knee a little. As soon as he moved the knee, he had to come to a set position, or stride into a throw. Stopping instead was balking.

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by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

and stepping off the rubber was already too late.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is why I’m confused by the call. The play happens quickly but not THAT quickly. I see the ump going nuts when Vazquez raises his arm. Maybe I’m wrong about that. Maybe it’s stepping off that causes the balk, and the difference is simply reaction time.

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by Humma Kavula on Jun 1, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

if he is on the rubber, and not set, the front leg still can not move.

by delias man on Jun 1, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

It’s the left leg bend followed by NOT stepping toward home and throwing, or NOT stepping toward third and throwing, or NOT moving into the stretch position that makes it a balk. The umps can’t call it until they know none of those things happened. The attempted step off the rubber is at about that time. And the 2B umpire goes nuts pretty quickly at that point.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you taking them to AYCE so they can see American gluttony at it’s finest?

by delias man on Jun 1, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

They will see that in Vegas in about 10 days.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Las Vegas is the monument to American excess in all its glory

That is a must-make trip for every student we’ve hosted. They’ve all loved it.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

How could they not enjoy it? I bet they will have a great time!

by keithc13 on Jun 1, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I discovered today that there’s people who take “you can drink out of a bottle of scotch in the middle of the street” as a negative. Who knew?

by regfairfield on Jun 1, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked the fact that the Dodgers scored their last three runs without an RBI

The two on the Kelly Johnson play were unearned, of course. The balked-in runner is an earned run.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jun 1, 2010 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

This is cool...two straight awesome Sundays

Dodgers to honor Jose Lima June 6:

Prior to his untimely passing, the charismatic pitcher had been planning to perform at a Viva Los Dodgers Day this summer, much like he did at the Viva Los Dodgers festival in 2004 when he was an active player. Lima ’s longtime friend and bandleader of L.A. ’s Conjunto Amistad Johnny Polanco will perform a set in his honor this Sunday, followed by Estrellas de Tuzantla. Polanco has performed with various notable musicians including Prince, Cachao, Johnny Pacheco, Tito Puente Jr., Charlie Zaa, Ray De La Paz and Tito Nieves.

Several of Lima ’s friends and family members will recount stories of his life while fans will be encouraged to sign a book of memories for his family.

Lima performed the National Anthem and God Bless America at a Dodger home game in 2004. Lima ’s anthem rendition will be shown on DodgerVision before Sunday’s game against the Braves and his version of God Bless America will run during the middle of the 7th inning. Lima ’s son, Jose Jr., is expected to throw out an honorary first pitch and there will also be an in-game video tribute to the right-hander

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 3:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I am missing everything cool at DS with this every other game half season package.

by delias man on Jun 1, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was at that game in 2004, and I saw Lima hanging out on the field level concourse before the game. I told my friend it was Jose Lima and he didn’t believe me. Later when he came out to sing the national anthem, the same friend said I was wrong and it was actually Enrico Palazzo.

by LA Taco on Jun 1, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since we're talking SP..

Any interest out there in Pedro Martinez?

by runningwiththedevil on Jun 1, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions  

From us or anyone?

Once Padilla is back there won’t be room for Pedro or anyone else that isn’t an big name ace. And I’d guess room will be cleared by trading Ely for said ace.

"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"

by Ivdown on Jun 1, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers lineup -- same

Furcal SS
Kemp CF
Ethier RF
Ramirez LF
Loney 1B
Blake 3B
Martin C
Carroll 2B
Ely P

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

D'oh

…except for Carroll at 2B

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carroll has made six starts now at 2B this season: four against LHP, and two against Dan Haren.

Carroll is 2 for 9 lifetime off Haren

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder what the love affair is with him playing 2nd

with Haren pitching?

Defense with Ely pitching? Maybe…

by keithc13 on Jun 1, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kuroda started the 1st Haren game this year.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

my fault

I thought it was Ely v Haren round 2. I do remember looking earlier this year and BDW is horrible against Haren.

by keithc13 on Jun 1, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is Ely/Haren 2

This is Haren’s 3rd start vs us this year

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rub is

that DeWitt is 0 for 10 with 5 strikeouts off Haren.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 1, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

bout right

as I begin to make a good point, you beat me to it.

by keithc13 on Jun 1, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

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