Carlos Santana to make his Major League debut tonight
by meercatjohn on Jun 11, 2010 8:51 AM PDT
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Those of you who have followed my writing from when I first showed here on TBLA understand, and are probably sick of my affinity for one Carlos Santana. For those of you who are new I'm going to link the stories we had written about before his trade and after.
I'm not going to join in the discussion, I've said all I can say on the subject, but I look forward to watching him have a successful career. I expect him to emulate the success that Victor Martinez had with the bat, and possibly the lack of success that Martinez had as a defensive catcher. What Santana has that Victor did not is an absolute hose for an arm. That is why they made him a catcher in the 1st place. It must be understood that Santana has only been catching since 2007.
The fact he's going to be making his major league debut on June 11th, is a testament to how hard he's worked to learn this complex craft.
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Lets just kill Mccourt and get it over with.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
That was the trade that completely drove me crazy. I will never, ever, ever, ever tire of your harping on Santana’s success just to show the pure stupidity of this regime. This trade should constantly and consistently be thrown in the face of management and should be a black mark on the career of Ned Colletti and the McCourts for the rest fo their lives.
white sox wtf
McCourt saga could have been more awesome if they drafted one of their kids then almost came to blows with Ned/Logan over his draft position.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 11, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions
More like Torre going after Ned, in this case. Which I would pay to watch on pay-per-view.
"Where'd you hear about that?"
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 11, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Just in time for “The Club,” a series about the inner-workings of the White Sox, starts on July 18 on MLB Network.
Of course, the footage has long since been shot for that show, but it’s still interesting to see the inside of craziness.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 11, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
This trade initaly baffled
But now shows McCourt standard operating procedure.
Santana or $2,000,000?
No arbitration – no money paid for draft picks
1st round draft pick – draft the unsignable – no money expended
Jus Say’in
blame Selig for letting someone who had 0 money buy the team.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
+1 nolander and +1 68elcamino427
I’ve said it every time I’ve posted on this subject. What makes this trade so infuriating to me is not that Santana is a top-rated prospect. That part would merely make this trade frustrating. I mean, it can’t be any worse than the arguably franchise-crippling trade the Orioles made for Glenn “not Big Baby” Davis nearly a generation ago, or to use a more recent example near and dear to our hearts, Ethier for Milton Bradley…AND Antonio Perez! What makes this trade so infuriating is that the McCourts got away with trading a top flight prospect for less than a $1 per ticket sale, all the while raising rates on us. At least now we all know where all that money has been going- to Rasputin!
As for Selig…wow, where to begin. For now, I’ll just say he sucks, and leave it at that.
When Carlos Santana was a child
His hands felt just like two balloons.
(I have become comfortably numb about this trade. Medication—even a placebo—helps.)
I just discovered ESPN3. I have College Baseball and World Cup going PIP. Of course, nothing is streaming on the World Cup feed, but the promise of awesomeness is too cool.
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 10:57 AM PDT reply actions
good for them
If the Big 12 goes boom can they just go ahead and mace the MWC a BCS conference?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Hm who should I root for as a UCI fan, Fullerton or UCLA?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
It's official
Nebraska has officially accepted an invitation to join the Big Ten Conference, The World-Herald learned early Friday afternoon.
Two sources from conference offices said that Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany contacted BIg 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe on Friday morning to inform Beebe that Delany had officially invited Nebraska to join.
A source with direct knowledge of the situation said Nebraska accepted.
If the Big Ten
was only taking one school, all reports say Texas will leave and drag along some other schools and you have the PAC-16
Just another domino falling
The next whisper is Texas A&M joining the SEC, and Tech would join the Pac-11
by Julio Nievas on Jun 11, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It's in Kansas
How much more fucked can it be?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Kansas
is the biggest loser of a Big 12 breakup…real possibility of being forced to the MWC
That's not a great haul for Pac 10
After all this, they get the least popular Texas team leaving Big 12, and the lesser Oklahoma team?
Adding Utah isn’t bad though.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Every scenario has Kansas fucked
Proper fucked
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Big question is how this will affect the Bbal program
by Julio Nievas on Jun 11, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that before
Ze Germans get there?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man, sorry if this has been posted, but the “Wax on, Fuck Off” video is hilarious
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/c8ad4aa802/wax-on-f-ck-off-with-ralph-macchio
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions
OT
can anyone reccomened a good beard trimmer system? I hate shaving and I like stubble. Im gunna go to target at lunch.
discuss.
I use my WAHL hair trimmer #1 and it works great
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
But I am sure there are ones specifically for beards…WAHL has been good to me in terms of longevity and quality
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The nice thing about the hair one is that you just plug it in
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I use a Panasonic Wet/Dry (model ER2405). It’s small, works well.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=panasnic+er2405
by KellyStephen on Jun 11, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
A hamburger today, I'll pay you tomorrow
Ever since we let Carlos Evil Ways Santana go, we’ve gotten league average play out of Russell Martin. This year the Dodgers get to pay $3.9 million for that privelege.
It appears that the $2million cash or Santana was decided by the overleveraged state of McCourt just 30-60 days before the financial system teetered on collapse in 2008.
Less than two years later, Santana begins his three years of league minimum with a hell of alot of upside potential. Ellis is even proving serviceable at league minimum.
I’d be suprised if Blake added more than one win sabermetrically that fall. We then decided to pay $6million for his age 36-38 years.
Maybe there’s some logic found from the comfort food of name recognition and big league experience. But that $2million is a rounding error compared to what pay for league average in Blake and Martin every year.
I wish Carlos Santana all the best. Our organization worked hard to nuture him. Its the league minimum for three years with all the potential in the world that we gave up for that $2million dollar hamburger in July 2008 that the Dodgers should regret.
Truly, a bitter meal, to swallow.
above said in Howard Cossell voice
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Carlos Santana will catch and hit third in his major league debut on Friday.
He’s the first Indian to hit third in his major league debut since the legendary Jim Norris on April 7, 1977.
Source: Tribe Insider on Twitter
I have no idea what is going on with these conference changes.
I just want to see a layout of it all when it is over.
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 12:27 PM PDT reply actions
Me to
I wonder if anyone from the old Pac 10 will ever see a Rose Bowl game
by meercatjohn on Jun 11, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if the Rose Bowl game (or bowl games in general) survive this
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
As I know nothing about college sports, can somebody tell me
why all this is happening? Why are these conferences breaking up/growing? What’s instigated this? What’s changed? Why now?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 11, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
money and uh money
They want tv revenue. They all are going to launch their own tv stations.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Why couldn't they do that in the Big 10?
It doesn’t make much sense to those of us who don’t follow college sports, without the details of the motivation.
The Big 10 did do that
And made a ton of money. So now everyone else wants to do it too, so the name of the game became expansion and expansion into large media markets. That’s why the Pac-10 grabbed Colorado, to get the Denver market. A Texas team will give them Dallas, that kind of thinking.
There is also the idea of conference championship games which are supposed to be quite lucrative. That works in a divisional system which means more teams.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand why the other conferences might want to poach large-market teams from the Big 10. But why do the Big 10 teams want to leave and join another conference? (I can see why it would take only a few to do this; then the remainder would have to find new homes as the Big 10 would be instead a Little 6 or something.)
Why did the ones who left first leave? OK, I get that a divisional championship might be attractive. Is that enough to warrant breaking up traditional rivalries, which surely were good for business? (I’ve noticed that Texas teams, Oklahoma teams, both seem to be splitting into different conferences. Surely that can’t be great?)
No one is leaving the big 10
Its the big 12 which is falling apart.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
now see, that's just confusing
If there a conference called the Big-10, then the 12 should have called themselves something different.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
You wan't confusing?
Right now, the Big-10 has 12 teams. The Big-12 has 10.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
considering the current bowl system
I think that makes sense
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Oh, well just to clarify
The teams leaving are of the Big 12. The Big 10 is a different conference (which actually had 11 teams in it.)
The Big 12 was always out of place anyway, unlike the Big 10 and Pac 10 which have been around forever. The Big 8 conference absorbed the Texas schools from the then defunct Southwestern Conference and it caused some animosity for years. Texas in particular wanted everything about them and one of the oldest rivalries in college football in Okalahoma and Nebraska just went away because they now had divisional alignments and didn’t play each other every year.
Nebraska felt like they got the short end of the stick and they did. As such, they had no loyalty left to the Big 12 when the Big Ten asked if they wanted to join the conference to make for a nice even 12 teams. Colorado never really belonged in the Big 12 either and with Nebraska leaving, they had no rival left anyway. So they are going to the Pac 10 which makes sense.
All that’s left now is a school from Iowa a school from Missouri, 2 in Oklahoma, 2 in Kansas and 4 in Texas. Even if you get your own TV network, the name of the game is markets, and realy the only name markets left is Dallas and Houston. Texas sort of started this whole thing as their M.O is to look always for the best oppurtunity. And now its really a matter of being “in or out.” You want to be proactive and go to whichever power conference will take you, since the Big 12 is no longer viable. If you can latch on to the Pac 10, Big 10, or SEC you have to do it. Otherwise you get left behind and end up joining Conference USA, which is a huge drop in prestige.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
OT
But Arizona is quickly becoming the crappiest state in the country. Their new proposed law is stupefying.
what now?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
that can't be constitutional
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
It really isn't
I just laughed as the guy who wrote it was saying “We’ll write it right.” in an effort to get around it. This right after denoucing illegal immigrants from using the 14th amendment as an “wedge”.
Turnabout is fair play to a politician.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
There are no words.
Truly. What the hell is going on in Arizona that people are reacting like this? It’s as if the state collectively had a stroke after McCain lost the election. .
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
They get the worst of illegal immigration
Or so I’ve heard. Plus you know, its so hot their brains melt.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
It’s because McCain is younger than the average Arizona resident.
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
As someone who's visited the state since I was very young(family)
They’re probably just bored out of their skulls. That state is either barren desert or bland as all holy hell gated communities.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Just been to Chandler
just outside Phoenix. The community where my relatives live feels like something out of the twilight zone.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
They are also a bit tired
of the drug problem that they take a huge brunt of the hit on. Blaming 95% of a group for a 5% of the problem is something we as a human species have always excelled at. Let us not address the whole drug issue from the point of view that the demand starts here and so when we screw up the South/Central American worlds with our unsatiable demand to be high we ignore that problem and concentrate on the people who reside at the lowest rungs of the ladder. Because it is always easier to do it that way.
That doesn't make it constitutional
They are citizens according to the constitution. How can Arizona change that?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
If we change the Constitution… then we can pass all sorts of crazy laws!
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 11, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
BURN IT!!!!!!
SEND IT TO HELL!!!!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
more than a Cougar for you
closer to a sabre-toothed tiger
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I think Phil said it well
If you check the stats of players younger than 25, the range varies quite a bit, I don’t dispute that Santana may end up on the upper end but he could just as easily start off slowly as he faces pitchers who have more command of the strike zone.
To put aside what Casey Blake has done the last two years (and this year) in helping the Dodgers compete at their current level is not fair, there was no one else in the system who would provide this level of play.
And if you want to look at this way, the money the Dodgers have made by winning back to back NL West titles plus adding in that Cleveland paid Blake’s salary 2008 even makes more economic sense then possibly not making the playoffs the last two years and seeing lower revenues during those years.
The main contention is that Casey Blake was re-signed as a Free Agent. Its not as if the Dodgers couldn’t have signed him in the off season of 09 and kept Santana. And assigning the reason the Dodgers won the NL west because of Casey Blake is a bit odd since he batted only a 100 OPS+ during his short time in 08 with the club.
You might have a stronger argument if the Dodgers and Blake were able to work out an extension before he reached free agency, but well, that didn’t happen.
You could also argue that Blake’s 100 OPS+ was the best 3rd base production that year, and that is also probably true, but then there is also the contention that the $2 million the Dodgers to pay for Blake’s contract that year is also a major focus of criticism.
Do the dodgers make the playoffs that year
without a blake. Lets remember before he solidified the position there were 19 other players that fielded that position since Beltre. Yes I was thrilled about the trade but think about it this way Santana still is rough behind the dish. Granted he has a cannon for an arm and can hit. He also had Martin in front of him who would have blocked him. Obviously Colleti has made some mistakes and of all the prospects he has given up Santana could haunt him and maybe even Bell.
Like Vin said
any prospect is a roll of the dice. I think Santana just seemed like much more of a safe roll then others.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Heyman reports
D-backs meeting to discuss changes. Anybody not named Upton and Kennedy could be moved.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 1:25 PM PDT reply actions
Trading Reynolds would be a mistake
But they should trade Chris Young, he’s gotta have some actual value now.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Haren's the big question for me.
Guy’s a great pitcher, but it’s gotta stick in his mind that even if he has 7-8 great innings, his bullpen could still blow the game for him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m worried about all the hit’s Haren is giving up, it’s crazy that he’s over 9 per 9 innings. He walks no one, but seems very hittable this year. I’d still trade a crap load for him.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Yet
his strike out rate is up. Go figure.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Too many home runs
would be my problem, if I were a GM.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5275644
USC juniors and seniors can transfer to out of conference schools and not sit out a year.
oh wow
Like rats from a sinking ship huh?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
would not playing in bowl games and such hurt their NFL draft chances?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably not
This however gives any kid who wants to leave after Carrol left a chance to jump ship.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
My dad won't be happy
he’s a Trojan fan.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
You are probably right
If they let the freshman and sophmores leave I think it might be another story, what with them losing all them scholarships thus possibly negatively impacting future recruing. And of course, Carrol leaving.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
USC is expensive.
If players don’t have scholarships, I would be surprised to see a lot of people sticking with the school.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I can't decipher that.
Must be a case of the Fridays. To clarify what I meant, there will likely be less incoming talent exactly because USC is expensive, and losing 10 scholarships means a lot of players who would come can’t now that they can’t get a scholarship. I could be wrong though.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Oh, we agree
I thought you meant “letting” them leave like they were going to stay. My point was if they don’t have scholarships, who says they’ll be there anyway?
My brain is totally off. I’ve been super frazzled all day.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
You want to see how the Santana/Blake deal is viewed by baseball media
It’s going to be great to see Indians top catching prospect Carlos Santana. He’s expected to be a hitter at least on the level of Victor Martinez, which is pretty darned good. Dodgers GM Ned Colletti has taken hits for trading him to Cleveland in 2008 in a deal that brought Los Angeles Casey Blake, but Blake helped the Dodgers get to two straight NLCS so that criticism isn’t fair. Good trade all around
That Heyman comment is idiotic. Blake could have just as easily signed closer to his home in Minnesota after 2008. He came back because the Dodgers guaranteed him a 3rd year.
Nobody can change the fact that Dodgers traded Santana for 2.5 months of Blake. That’s. It. Period.
That's what everyone forgets
Blake didn’t even want to come back. He preferred MN. We gave him more money. What do you know he signed with the Dodgers!
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
We’re quoting Jon Heyman for evidence now? What next, Steve Phillips?
"Where'd you hear about that?"
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 11, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
One sentence you'll never hear any of the above say
You know who I really like this season? The Dodgers.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
#5 org in baseball
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
you'd never know
from the way the media is.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
morons?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
indeed
Can I also say that Ken Rosenthal has to be one the smuggest people I’ve ever seen?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone once took a poke at me
because I had a smug look on my face. I hate Rosenthal’s smug look and wonder if that was what the guy saw when he swung at me.
We coulda had both Santana and Blake
Fiscal responsibility right when the team youngsters jell and contend for 2 or more NLCS/WS.
We didn’t worry about $2mil when we signed Kuroda@$13mil per, Manny, Andruw, Nomar, etc etc etc
As Jay Farrar once said, a damn shame.
Since no one will ever admit that was part of the deal
I just don’t know how anyone can keep making this part of the argument.
because 2, 000,000 changed hands
that is the concrete part of this. You are the one in denial. The only part of your argument that holds up is that the Indians would not have done the deal if they did not get Santana. So big deal, you move on to the next team that has a mediocre 3rd baseman for hire.
I like Casey Blake, but the idea he was the difference between us winning in 2008 and not winning in 2008 is very very weak and is simply built on what he added in the clubhouse not what he added on the field because he was very good after he joined us.
Career OPS+ of 108
That’s the definition of mediocre.
Besides, you don’t have to think people are good to like them. I’m the chairman of the James McDonald fan club around here and I hope the dude ends up having a mediocre career.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
For a third baseman. It’s mediocre.
i was going to look it up before posting, but figured I’d eyeball it.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
That is above average
Average is mediocre.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
As Nate said
It’s about average for a 3B.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I know it’s different per year per position, but I thought average was generally 100.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
It is, but it breaks down something like
Corner outfielders/infielders: 110
Centerfielders: 100
Middle infielders/catchers: 90
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
why do you hope he has a mediocre career?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Think he means
That at this point, it looks like he’s a bust, so he’s hoping he ends up at least mediocre.
That would be an improvement on his current career path
Minor leaguer, come up a few times, then retire.
I’d obviously rather the dude be great, but that’s not realistic I’m afraid.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok,
I get it now. I was truly just curious.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Why
I like Loney, DeWitt, Furcal, Blake, and Martin and none of them would be confused with players who are above average.
Furcal puts up a few weeks of tremendous play, then puts up a month and a half of average play :(
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Depends on what you mean by average
Average from a SS is great.
I think, given some time, DeWitt will be a bit above average. No? Bueller?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
DeWitt is above average now
He’s playing plus defense at 2nd and has an OPS+ that exceeds 100.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm hoping it just keeps going up
I’ll take him as he is though.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I'm so proud
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I like his rough and tumble look
I hope he starts hitting home runs.
What I’m more impressed with is how he’s handling the pop flies. I’m no longer scared when the ball is hit in the air to the right side.
agree on the homeruns part
I have faith he’ll be a regular 14-18hr knocker in the near future. maybe next year!
His D has improved since early this year, but really
He’s playing plus defense? That might be a bit of a stretch.
If he says it,
he probably has the stats to back him up.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it?
I guess your call is as good as mine since I don’t want to wait 3 years to see what UZR says on the matter.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Mostly I'm curious
Where you’re getting it from. Not saying you’re wrong (haven’t been able to watch enough to defend a counter-argument either way), just wondering.
Just watching the games
In the various debates had around here regarding UZR everybody seems to agree that a sample size of the season to date would be completely meaningless. As such,we get to rely on our eyes.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm mostly grateful
he doesn’t try to get every flyball. I knew Hudson was gonna hurt himself or someone else doing that. I saw him do it too. just had to shake my head.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Look at all of you, with your hindsight glases on.
Something tells me he wont be as good with the bat as he is with the guitar… All jokes aside, its REALLY time we move on. Casey Blake has been huge to this team. Maybe I’m in the minority on this one, but I dont think Casey comes here, unless Carlos goes there. I really dont think it was about the money, but about the talent being exchanged. Im a HUGE Casey Blake fan, hes been a rock at 3rd base. Other than Beltre, what other 3rd baseman has done better for us than Casey? Hes a great teammate, and deserves some of the credit for the young guys, especially Kemp, and the success that they have had.
Blake is so good that we should give him credit for the successes of others, huh?
That’s a nice gig.
I would like to share in all the credit that all my fellow TBLAers have from here on out! (none of the blame though)
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Your right
character has nothing to do with it, if it did, then we would never have traded for Manny.
Oh man,
I thought we took care of this in the last thread.
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
we didn't
we just harped on it and agreed to disagree pretty much.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey you, let's fight!!
Them’s fightin’ words!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
apparently you didn’t see the previous thread.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Just another person
confused about trading for a player for 1/3 of a season then signing the same player as a free agent. The first part did not guarantee the 2nd part.
It is like some of you think we traded Carlos and got Blake forever. We got 1/3 of a year. That is it, quit muddling the argument with his free agent years.
BTW
Blake DeWitt 2008: OPS 93
Casey Blake 2008 (with the Dodgers) : OPS 97
So, are we to believe those 4 OPS points are the difference between winning the division? Or is the likely reason the hall of famer who came over from Boston and posted an OPS of around 1400?
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder
If we had never traded for Casey Blake, and left Blake Dewitt at third, what would we have done for a 2B when Kent got hurt?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like someone already forgot Luis Maza.
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Sadly he was still the shortstop then.
That’s an underappreciated bit of Colletti lunacy.
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
When Kent got hurt, Furcal was back, right?
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
if I remember correctly
no, still out…he didn’t come back until the last few games of the regular season i think.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Was Nomar on the DL then? I can’t remember.
"Where'd you hear about that?"
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 11, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
he was on it so much that year
more than likely he was.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
No he wasn't
he was not on the DL but he could barely keep himself on the field. If the little prick had been able to stay healthy this whole conversation would be moot.
wow, you are in bad mood
sorry if I contributed to that.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Berroa is unemployed as far as I know
Maza played in the Carribean world series, so maybe he’s playing in the dominican
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Or hell, we throw Delwyn there, he might get lucky for 100 AB and he’s still here.
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
If the argument
is that we would not have traded LaRoche for Manny if we didn’t have Casey to play 3rd then I’m listening, but yet to hear anyone make that side of the argument.
I find it likely
that if we had gotten manny earlier we never would have traded for blake.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
yeah
there was no way that trade happened before the last second. I kind of wish right now we had never resigned him though.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Remember the madness after that season?
Where people actually advocated giving him 4 yrs at $25MM per year
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember wanting to face stab people
I mean I know know that McCourt is cheap, but back then hearing people call him cheap for not giving him that money made me so angry.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I do
I said 2 years or let him walk. Little did I know how those years would turn out, still have hope for this one.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I still have hope for his bat
His D is just so bad, and we are paying him way to much money.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Then I guess you won't be coming to the meetings of the
Manny Overestimaters Society.
We meet on Thursday afternoons in the damp, dark basement of a coffeehouse, where we discuss how lousy this year would have been without Manny and how bad the next two years are going to be.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 11, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The next two years are going to be bad
because 10 million dollars each year will be going into manny’s pocket so we won’t be able to sign any sort of replacment for him and kuroda.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Well, it’s not just Manny. There are many other players that also are due deferred money. Colletti and the McCourts robbed from Peter (2011/12) to pay Paul (2008-10) to try to win the World Series. It almost worked… and they have another shot this year…
…but the other problem is that, well, the McCourts aren’t investing in the on-field product. Other teams, like the Phillies, grow their revenue and put it into the product on the field. The Dodgers’ growth in revenue hasn’t done the same.
So, yeah, there’s “no money” to replace Manny, but the way Manny’s deal is structured is only part of the reason for that. I don’t regret that he’s on the team, not at all. He was the Dodgers’ best hitter last year.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 11, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You are right
Its just tough watching him this year knowing the finances of the deal. Last year wasn’t so tough other then the suspension thing, which probably also colors my feelings about the guy.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
It's funny
because we’ve essentially been winning with an ineffective Manny. Imagine if he can become some semblance of his 08 Dodger self.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s certainly true that Manny is underperforming. OPS of 696 since coming off the DL, if I did that right on bb-ref.
As long as Ethier is a monster, they can get by with a subpar Manny. But both players have struggled since coming off the DL.
The Dodgers have been EXTREMELY lucky lately: since May 27 they have played 14 games. Of those, 11 have been one-run games. Of those 11, they have won 9.
Hooray for us. But that luck will even out. And I am bearish on Ethier — I think he hit over his head in April and will end the year in the mid-800s in OPS.
If I’m right about both those things — the one-run luck will even out and Ethier will fall back to something closer to his career stats — then the guy we all need to be looking at to carry the team wears number 99.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 11, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate to say this, I really do, but I think after the suspension, we aren’t going to see ’08 Manny.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
That’s what I meant. I think what we have is going to be what we get from him.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I agree. “What he have,” since he came off the DL, is sub-700 OPS. I highly doubt that Manny Ramirez will do that for the rest of this year.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 11, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It had alot to do with Manny.
So you would have taken our chances with LaRoche at third? I dont care about your small sample sizes. I like Dewitt, but he wasnt exactly a veteran presence, now was he.
veteran presence
now theres a can of worms
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Well no
LaRoche would have been gone in the Manny trade.
I take my chances with DeWitt.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
but what about second with no Jeff Kent?
Does Orlando Hudson still come…and then stay? Are we better for that?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Again
The Dodgers could have simply signed Blake in the offseason. And then history repeats without any changes.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like this same question is dealt with somewhere else nearby
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not the other articles
The exact same question was asked like 15 comments up.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I want to know!!
(drum riff…..and crickets)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
If we didn't trade for him in 08
We wouldn’t have signed him in 09, I can tell you that much. One of the reasons (besides the money aspect…so a very small part, lol) we didn’t get to sign CC is because we didn’t trade for him before. Had we gotten him instead of Manny at the deadline, I’m guessing he would have leaned more towards signing with us than the Yankees.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
CC was never going anywhere else
The Yankess would have given him a billion a year if thats what it took to sign him
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Possibly
But had the Dodgers traded for CC, they would have bid higher to keep him as to not just shell out the prospects for him and then let him go.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Not outbid
But i remember hearing at the time if another team CC liked was within about 20 mill of the Yankees offer he would have signed with them.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Yeh well, we know know we never would have gotten close
not with Mccourt at the helm. Hell I’m not a fan of signing anyone for 5+ years at all unless its a pre arb player for a bargain price ala hanley or evan longoria.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
The Dodgers would've never outbid the Yankees
nor would they have even come within $20 million. Hvae you forgotten who our owner is?
My argument is that if they had traded for CC instead of Manny
It would have taken better prospects, and if you give up those prospects you can’t just let CC go without a fight in that case.
It’s just a theory, but I really believe it.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
They would have made some effort
I just don’t think McCourt could afford it. Like I mean he would start bouncing checks if he tried it.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
He may not have been able to
But I think there would have been a fight.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I don't agree
The Dodgers were also looking at signing Joe Crede. They were in the market for PVL third baseman that winter.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
That is complete bullshit
every rumor had him going to the Twins and the only reason he signed with us is because we gave him three years instead of the two the Twins offered.
How many Free Agents get traded in their FA year and then sign with the team who traded for them. Not enough to give me this BS argument.
Had we never traded for him how the fuck do you know we would have been so interested in Blake? Yes we were still looking for a 3B, but if we didn’t trade for him we most likely would not have given him that 3rd year to lure him away from Minn. There would have been interest in Blake, but there could have been just as much if not more interest in Crede. The reason they liked Blake more that off-season was because they liked the play from him the final two months of the season on the Dodgers.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Really
they liked the sub .300 OBP, they liked the just about zero contribution in the playoffs.
No, they signed Casey Blake because they looked at the totality of his career and decided he would produce close to those levels going forward.
You mean to tell me the 2 (or about 3 actually) months he was on the team didn’t influence them in any way. I don’t claim it would be the smartest thing to sign him based on his time with the Dodgers, but if they didn’t like his time with the Dodgers I doubt they would have signed him again.
Tell me if I am way off-base here.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
If they liked him enough
to want to trade for him in the first place, I “honestly believe” that if the trade had not happened and we still needed a 3rd baseman because we didn’t get someone else to fill that void they would have gone after him as a free agent. As Reg said, if you don’t have a 3rd baseman then you better get one. Of course they didn’t have to sign a 3rd baseman they could have signed a 2nd baseman and moved DeWitt to 3rd where they were already more then happy with his defense. Just turned out that we ended with Hudson and Blake.
Hudson was also supposed to be the cat’s meow when it come to being a good clubhouse guy. That got him a seat on the bench during Sept/Oct.
Casey Blake was the best third baseman available. Our third baseman at the time was Blake Dewitt who was also our second baseman. I think Ned could figure that one out.
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
When is the last time the Dodgers got the best FA at a certain position? That leads me to believe it was not a forgone conclusion that Blake was to be a Dodger if they had not traded for him.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
J.D. Drew, Derek Lowe, Jeff Kent, Rafael Furcal
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Every single one of those guys was signed 2005 and before, and Furcal was the only one resigned that was near the top of their position in FA since then. The FA dynamic has changed a huge amount in the last 5 years.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Orlando Hudson, Jason Schmidt (well, at least at the time)
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
andruw jones?
/ducks
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
i thought about that one
You’re probably right though, he was probably considered the best CF free agent that winter.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The deal even sounded good at the time
Of course thats before I knew about how bad the McCourts finances where.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
well I had problems with the sheer amount of money
But I figured he would bring a lot of revenue to the team to offset it, and be a force offensively. Then he got suspended, stopped hustling(no surprise), and now he looks like he needs a wheelchair to get around the outfield.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
haha I'm dumb
I got manny and andruw confooosed
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I'll admit, I liked it at the time
Hated it as soon as he showed up to camp 35 pounds overweight.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd call myself skeptically wishful.
I thought it was too much. He had dropped 37 points in his OPS+ from 06 to 07 and I thought we should’ve gotten a discount on him. But I did still hold out hope that maybe, just maybe he would return to his old self and come through for us.
In that he signed for "only" two years
you could say that the Dodgers DID get a discount.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 11, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
That was my thought at the time.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Because we traded for him before hand!
The interest wouldn’t have been the same if we hadn’t gotten him so cheap in a trade.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I have to agree on that one
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I think the difference for a lot of people (Manny, Furcal, Blake) getting resigned is that we had them before hand, and had a relationship already established and money, time, and/or prospects were put into them, so resigning them was kind of something to defend old actions.
I think one of the big reasons Blake was resigned was because they didn’t want to trade Santana for him and then let Blake walk. That and need, obviously.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I buy the "resign them or face shame" argument
It certainly had to be the case with Manny. If McCourt let him walk the city would have turned on him.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I don't know
Nobody else was bidding on him seriously. Obviously they weren’t willing to pay him more then 20 mil a year, but then again no one else was either.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I just keep thinking what if
they stood strong with 10-12 mil a year. Would SF have swooped in? Would he have walked? I think he still signs with LA for that.
Thats the thing
I don’t think anyone was offering anywhere near 20 other then us.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Didn't the Dodgers express an interest in GA that offseason too?
Burrell was gone. They had no interest in Dunn.
I believe they were considering GA and a former Yankee player I can’t remember now.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
And most of this has got nothing to do with hindsight
unless you simply didn’t read any of the links for this column. If you didn’t, then don’t participate in this thread and accuse me of hindsight.
I would rather have Santana now
and I knew he was pretty good before the trade, but I really like having Blake as a Dodger and I honestly believe he wouldn’t be if we didn’t do the trade.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
This has now become the thread
that Eric feared the previous thread would become. I’m already in a bad mood, now I’m in a foul mood. Later
Im really not trying to put you in a bad mood.
Theres just no way to make everybody happy. I hope Santana has a great career. I like Blake.. whats so wrong with that?
Nothing, I also like Blake
we can hate the trade and like Blake.
But just an FYI this is what the veteran presence has accomplished in the Dodger playoffs.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/blakeca01.shtml
This is the sound..
of my lips closing.. almost. Still a small sample size. There are qualities in players that dont show up on baseball cards. My Example…
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/reesepe01.shtml
It doesn’t show up on baseball cards, but Pee Wee Reese is the all time Dodger WAR leader.
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't understand your argument
Pee Wee Reese was a borderline HOF SS for one of the most loaded teams in NL history. He brought more then PVL to his team, he brought skills. Are you actually trying to compare what Casey Blake brings to a team to Pee Wee Reese? If so get the fuck off this blog.
I'm great for debate
provided you don’t bring ignorant comparisons into the equation. I dont have the patience for this BS today, come back another day.
I really dont care what your patience level is.
Is this an open forum or not? if this is your blog, and you want to nazi me out of it, thats fine. Later.
Thank you.
I wasnt comparing Blake to Reese. I was just saying that they were both leaders in the clubhouse, and their value goes beyond their stats. I dont think thats an ignorant comment at all.
My reply
is that Pee Wee Reese was the captain of possibly the greatest NL talent ever assembled. I don’t see how you can compare the intangibles that a team leader like Pee Wee Reese brought who was the face of the Brooklyn franchise to a rent a player who sold himself to the highest bidder.
Not that I want to impune the honor of Pee Wee
but the only reason he didn’t sell himself to the highest bidder is because he couldn’t. Reserve Clause.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats fair..
But he was still valuable, even when he struggled the last few years. Thats the only thing Im trying to point out. You gave me caseys veteran leadership argument with a link to what he did in the post season. Reese didnt fare to well in the playoffs either. Its about character. Whether Blake was a rental or not. The team that Casey came to, had alot of talent as well. Young talent. Hes been here now for most of our young players careers. How many Santanas have come around and flopped. There were no gurantees that he would become a star player, something he still needs to show that he is. What if hes another Brandon Wood?
Santana could possibly
fail but the chance of him failing when we traded him in 2008 was much higher then. Now he’s had another two years to prove he was not a fluke. Very very hard to find prospects who hit with power, plate discipline, and have solid contact skills. The key to Carlos are the kind of skills he has. When you use Brandon Wood as an example they both have power, but Wood struck out at an alarming rate. What makes Santana unique among power hitting prospects is that he walks more then he K’s. Of course most of this evolved in the last two years. As I’ve said over and over I never had a problem trading for Casey Blake. I simply did not think we needed to give up a talent like Carlos Santana to get him.
The only reason I brought up the Blake postseason was that Blake brought alot of character and intangibles to the Dodgers. Maybe he did maybe he didn’t but in the end you have to be productive. In 2009 the FA signed Casey Blake was very productive, the 2008 traded for Casey Blake was not.
I could be wrong on this..
But wasnt Casey hurt after he came? Santana emerged as a top prospect due to the work that he put in. Yeah, it looks bad now, but at the time of the trade, alot of Dodger fans had no idea who Santana was. He wasnt one of our top prospects at the time. Theres going to be positives and negatives to every move. I think Santana is just more fuel to the fire when it comes to McCourt. I was being VERY general when I mentioned Wood. I was mostly referring to their exectations, comapared to performance. I really hope Santana does well. I even picked him off my waiver wire this morning. I understand your point about not needing to give him up to get Casey, but I dont think Mark Shapiro feels that way. They were looking for salary relief, or prospects. They picked the two players they would have recieved as compensation for Blakes leaving. Joe Torre often said that the blake trade was just as important as the Manny trade. At this point, with all the drama thats gone on with Manny, I’ll argue that Blake has been more valuable to the team than Manny has, simply because he has been on the field. casey filled a MAJOR hole at 3rd base. How many people started at third between Blake and Beltre?
I think Santana was the top prospect
that’s why a lot of fans were pissed they traded him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
No he's right
most fans had no clue who Carlos Santana was when we traded him. He did not come into the season as a top prospect and was only beginning to get noticed by the BA’s of the world a few weeks before the trade. Most fans could not even tell you today who Dee Gordon is.
I cant even tell you who Dee Gordon is.
I thought he was a top prospect? And people are hard on DeWitt for his defense..? Dee Gordon.. Is that an oxymoron or what?
How long was Carlos a catcher..
in our orginization? I think that if Marson could hit, Santana wouldnt be making his debut today. Not at catcher anyways. Theres still debate if he can handle a major league pitching staff, and there were rumblings that the Indians might try to move him to first in order to get his bat in the lineup.
Dude, you need to calm the hell down with that shit. Getting heated is one thing, you are just being rude.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Who me?
I wasnt the one slinging the f-word around. I know Im a newb, but I deserve to be treated with respect, and I wasnt. lets move on please!
I'm sure he was talking to me
sometimes the threaded threads get out of control.
No one else is being rude so it has to be me.
yeah.. these threads are crazy.
Im used to the dodgers fan site. I got sick of being called a McCheap lover, and everyone telling me i drink kool-aid.
yeah
the Dodger website is a cesspool.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
use the up button
he was tacking to meercat
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Nah I was talking to MeercatJohn.
And Phil (MeercatJohn), I know I’ve been the same way in certain debates, I just thought the new guy was going to get a bad impression of TBLA.
I don’t want you to scare him off before all of the rest of us get the chance :P
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I didnt mean that..
when I said I dont need this site. Its the best Dodger site on the web!I have been reading TBLA for 3 years now, I just dont post often. Ive turned many people to it.
And as I said
I totally apologize for being so rude but Santana might be the most passionate thing I have going and for various reasons this is a bad day for me. Didn’t mean to take out on you.
well, maybe by the time Santana hits free agency, the Dodgers will have their own network and can sign him as a free agent.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
by then he will be done
as a productive catcher and someone will be overpaying for his prior production
sounds like a Colletti sign!!!
sorry, i’m probably making you feel worse
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont' feel bad
I’ve been over it for 18 months, I just don’t like hearing the mis guided arguments defending the trade when they confuse the trade with the free agent signing and ignore the fact that if we had not traded Carlos for Blake there is a very good chance that Roy Halladay or Cliff Lee would have been a Dodger in 2009 because Carlos was the chip missing when we were talking with them.
Maybe for Cliff Lee..
But not Roy. My rose colored glasses, along with my blue colred kool-aid, and my love for Frank McCourt tell me that Roy didnt want to play here, and wouldnt have come if we offered Jesus Christ.
He didn't want to play here
He had a full no trade and told everybody who would listen that he wouldn’t accept a trade to a team that trains in Arizona.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Just wait until the more personal attacks come from Phil
Don’t let him know anything about the gf situation :P
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
PeeWee Reese is hardly a great example of a guy getting by on intangibles.
He’s basically Furcal, only healthy any consistent for roughly a decade. He doesn’t need propping up with “gritty” or “gamer”, he was a very good player at a position that at the time mostly had a bunch of crappy all-glove no-hit slugs.
he never said he didn't like Blake
He just doesn’t think he was worth trading Santana for when he was in a free agen year. As was said before. Casey Blake was a good signing, but a bad trade. That’s all that’s being said.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
understood
I’m just saying that when conflicting opinions meet, there will be discussion.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, when people on this board start defending PVL-dom, it’s time to seek shelter until the storm passes. Otherwise I might get hit by a flying Joe Morgan quote.
"Where'd you hear about that?"
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 11, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
"you never talk about a man's height"
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Makes no difference if they are joining Big Ten
Win your conference and you get a BCS game. Don’t and you won’t. No more “most favored nation” status for ND I would expect.
Besides they’ll get actual patsies in conference play now with Indiana, Illinois, Northwester, et al.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't NW beat them last year?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Ya
Norrthwestern had a good team last year.
On the whole though, Northwestern is on the bottom rung of the Big Ten.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The way ND has been going
They’ll also be on the bottom rung.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I see TA&M is not wanting to come play with the others over here. They want some SEC invite. Utah must be sitting there with fingers crossed….
They can join former southwestern conference pals Arkansas
in the SEC.
I guess SEC would have to add another team though.
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I got some good news from my best friend today
4 tickets to the Dodgers-Angels game this Sunday.
:)
Reserve behind home plate I believe. Can’t wait, I think it should be Ely or Kuroda pitching, right?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
*shakes fist*
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I'd check the series preview
But I think it’s Kuroda-sama
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Ughhh
Don’t even bring that up, women are insanely-confusing.
Probly going with a couple of my friends and this chick that my friend wants to invite.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Women are just like you and me and can’t be lumped into one massive group.
I hope I’ve just changed your life.
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Two massive groups then?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
The hot ones and the others?
I think we need more than two groups. I don’t know which one to put the crazy ones in.
4 groups then
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Oh, we’re playing this game?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
The game of life?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I've known crazy women who are hot
and I mean literally crazy
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
My wifes hot
Shes not crazy, shes smart, makes more money than I do, lets me post on baseball sites for hours on end, lets me play fantasy baseball, and scour the waiver wires constantly, BUT… shes an Angel fan. What group does she go in?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111877/
(with a Dodger tie-in!)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 11, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
You negated your first point. She’s clearly crazy. ;)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Quadrant 1
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
You've just RUINED my life if that's what you meant, lol
I know few non-confusing women. Sorry girls.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
you probably know confusing girls
and probably haven’t met a lot of women who know what they want yet. It’s ok, I keep meeting a lot of emotionally stunted boys. I figure I’ll run into men at some point.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Not on the internet you wont
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I need to meet some older women
Hey…how you doin ;)
hahaha
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I demand Weaver vs Weaver
The Ultimate Brodown
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Weaver vs Weaver 2
Weave Harder
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Electric Boogaloo?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
that was gonna be my next one
well played maddz
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
In honor of Bioshock 2's original title
Broshock 2: Sea of Weave
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Weaver Strikes Back
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Sweet. I’ll pow wow with you this weekend (hopefully by tomorrow, but for sure by Sunday)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 11, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
OT
wasn’t someone telling me to listen to Alestorm the other day? Pandora just popped them on.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
that was me
what song did they play?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
of treasure
very folksy. Not bad.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
interesting
they have more metally sounding songs. My personal favorities are Captain Morgan’s Revenge, Wolves of the Sea, and the aptly named Pirate Song.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I must listen to this band.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
indeed you must
Wenches and Mead is also a good song, funny.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Drink every time they say pieces of eight, pass out in 20 minutes.
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I like it
Have you listened to Enseferum before?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I've heard them
my younger brother showed me them, good sound. More about vikings though right?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Aye
but they had that same folksy vibe. Good live too.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
yeah, his friend had a live dvd of there’s and he showed me some.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
- Pepperoni
- Sausage
- Olives
- Jalapenoes
- Bacon
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
and this reminds me of an episode of Garfield and friends
I usually just go with pepperoni. But adding bacon bits was surprisingly good.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
How did civilization decide that pepperoni is the default topping?
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
no idea
but sounds like the next task for Robert Langdon.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Maddz you're probably the only person who gets my jokes
or at least finds them amusing. Either way, thanks.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Robert Langdon! In a wholly ironic, I don’t actually think it’s that great kind of way.
./sideeye
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
they're fun books
I haven’t read the new one yet. I like Angels and Demons more than DaVinci Code though.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
MACH 12
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
thats all I remember from the one chapter of Angels and Demons I could bring myself to read
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by tasting it
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I'll be honest
Garfield and Friends was my favorite cartoon growing up.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Garfield and Friends was awesome
But then I was a Garfield fan long before it came along, so it was sorta preaching to the choir.
It was OK, but G&F was no Muppet Babies.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 11, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
BBQ Sauce as a topping or the sauce?
Cause thats a whole nother discussion if its sauce.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
you speak truth
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Pepperoni
Mushroom
Sausage
Olives
Pineapple
Favorite combo: Pepperoni and Pineapple
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Throw some jalapenoes on there
and I’m sold.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
let's be pizza friends
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
The best part is that I finally found my favorite home made dough and sauce. Took two years, and I BBQ my pizza at 475 degrees!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
We do homemade pizza at my house all the time
my parents started using this dough from Trader Joe’s…I think it’s pesto based? Delightful.
I like eggplant and zucchini on pizza.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Pepperoni & pineapple is a solid combo.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 11, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
- Pepperoni
Classic. It’s tough to go wrong with just pepperoni.
- Meatballs
If they’re from a real Italian kitchen, absolutely delicious.
- Jalapenos
I love me some spice, but damn, sometimes these are a killer.
- Mushrooms
- Olives
Pineapples go great with Jalapenoes
help keep them from ripping your mouth to shreds.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
should also mention I like dipping it in ranch dressing.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You really are a meercat aren’t you
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
-Pepperoni
-Sausage
-Ham
-Onions
-Chicken
by Michael White on Jun 11, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Olives
Mushrooms
Pepperoni
Bell peppers
Cheese
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
EXTRA CHEESE BUDDY
DON’T JUDGE ME
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Pepperoni
Sausage
Mushrooms
Bell Peppers
Tomatoes
by Eric Stephen on Jun 11, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Pepperoni
Double Pepperoni
Cheese
Double Cheese
Double Pepperoni and Double Cheese
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Also
Way to go Silverwidow for providing a fun topic that everyone loves, hahah.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Wait
Pineapple on pizza? You all are sick people and clearly dumb because of it. And stupid.
/flamewar
can bacon pinapple bacon and jalapenoes
says go take a hike
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I think
this thread just proves we all need a game of kegball!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 2:46 PM PDT reply actions
Another great pizza is the Garlic Chips sold at Pizzeria Classico in Folsom.
Oh man, I would drive 7 hours just for those. They are heaven on a pan
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 2:52 PM PDT reply actions
Thanks bhsportsguy
With the Angels coming up, I was thinking about my first trip to DS and the great tour you gave me. Thanks again for going out of your way that day. This other stuff is tertiary.
"Where'd you hear about that?"
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 11, 2010 2:54 PM PDT reply actions
Favorite Pizza Place?
Favorite Pizzaria:
Tony Pepperoni’s Laguna Niguel(working there for 5 years has me biased)
Favorite Sit Down
Domenico’s
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I know that's a quote
but damned if I can’t place it. Assitance please.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
My response was trying to help. The Office
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 11, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I need to get the dvds of that show.
I’m missing so much hilarity
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I have blockbuster online
I’ve been thinking of making the switch though. I actually have a cousin who owns them though. He’ll let me borrow them.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Kuroda
just gave $50,000 to Thinkcure on the Prime Ticket telethon.
Kick cancer's ass!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Being busy on a Friday sucks with 700+ comments
But let me just add…
Edwin Jackson Mark Hendrickson Brett Tomko Jae Seo Willy Aybar Delwyn Young Abortion Julio Lugo Arizona immigration Laws Joel Guzman Chuck Tiffany Jody Reed
the mirror world
where Gore won in 2000?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha
once upon a time he did succeed, just before we traded for him.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/seoja01.shtml
good summary
I think
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Dodgers Linup
Furcal SS
Kemp CF
Ethier RF
Ramirez LF
Loney 1B
Blake 3B
DeWitt 2B
Martin C
Billingsley P
My Friday just got better
when I received a text saying Rock Band 3 will have a keyboard added to the game. That should open up a whole new catalog of songs (can’t wait for “The Way It Is,” by Bruce Hornsby & The Range)
Its not just a keyboard
Its basically a keytar!
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2010/06/keys02-1276210793.jpg
Plus pro mode which apparently is just like playing a real guitar and drums and such
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Oustanding (says the man with no musical talent)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 11, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The entire Muse catalogue has just opened up
United States of Eursia or Space Dementia would be sick.
hahahahaha. It won’t happen.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I can vouch for that.
But at least you can’t sing either!
by KellyStephen on Jun 11, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I've only played one of those games
at my cousin’s house. I was the guitarist. Adding to the rocker realism was that I was drunk while playing.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
If you’re the singer and you aren’t chugging beer during guitar solos, you’re doing it wrong.
by regfairfield on Jun 11, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
my sister, who can actually sing
didn’t get that you still had to be on pitch while singing. She just wanted to ROCK.
she quickly got very mad at the game and refused to play with us.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I'm still mad about this
But I’ve let it go… Because Casey Blake is a gamer… And I’m John Hart…
Sex addiction? Two words=get married.
Not really. But it had Sony behind it, which is why it had legs for so long.
by KellyStephen on Jun 11, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
We had a Beta in the 80s.
My dad was convinced that because it was the better technology, it couldn’t fail.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 11, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the Beta Bandwagon died in the late 1980s.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 11, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
A friend of mine from middle school and high school was in a local commercial as a child, and the only copy his parents had was on Beta. He was the only one of my friends to have a Beta player, and it was hidden away.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 11, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The reason I ask is because I just got some DVD conversions of Beta masters and the quality is AMAZING for 17-year-old footage.
Beta was vastly superior to VHS
It was just much more expensive too. My uncle had a beta (and a laserdisk: dude had a habit of backing failed tech) that I used to watch occasionally, it was really nice.
laserdisks where huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Good news
We need Bynum… Odom has been strangely passive… Then again, not strangely…
Sex addiction? Two words=get married.
by angelofdeath on Jun 11, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The performance enhancing procedure of the 2010 playoffs. Lakers in 6 :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 11, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
DFA
Sex addiction? Two words=get married.
by angelofdeath on Jun 11, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanx for the lineup Eric
Now that’s a good lineup. No space for Carroll or GA?
I'm stuck here for another hour!
Save me from my boredom you bunch of uninteresting jerks!
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
ugh I can't take another hour of work. I've got to find a way out of here.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
ooo ooo ooo
POPCORN. I’ll just burn some popcorn! Its brilliant! Someone else already did it, and Orville Redenbacher popcorn is known by the fire department to spontaneously combust in the microwave. ITS BRILLIANT.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
tell me about it
Today was rough. I’m off now, but I could use like, a half a bottle of Jameson.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I wholeheartedly support that.
That absolutely delights me. Who are the Nats playing?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
so
It’d be… Santana vs Strasberg? I believe this board will explode.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Why do they ask if I want biscuits when I order pickup from Lucille's
WHO WOULDN’T WANT BISCUITS?!?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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