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Pineiro Does In Dodgers; Angels Take Opener

Joel Pineiro had a busy night against the Dodgers

A pair of bases-loaded doubles by the Angels doomed the Dodgers as Anaheim took the opener of the freeway series, 10-1.  Hideki Matsui lofted a double just out of the reach of Andre Ethier in the fifth inning to score three and break a 1-1 tie, and Torii Hunter followed one inning later with a shot to the gap in right center field to break the game open at 8-1.

As someone who generally allows few home runs, walks very few batters, and doesn't strike out many, Joel Pineiro while on the mound is a man who makes his living on balls in play.  Tonight, while at the plate, Pineiro did his damage without putting the ball in play.  He struck out to open the third inning, but the third strike got away from Russell Martin (scored a wild pitch against Chad Billingsley), allowing Pineiro to reach base.  In his next two plate appearances, Pineiro walked for the first two times in his career, in his 191st and 192nd career plate appearances.  All three times Pineiro reached base, he scored, making him the third pitcher ever to score three runs against the LA Dodgers, joining Don Newcombe (1959) and Dan Schatzeder (1985).

On the mound, Pineiro allowed one run, five hits, and a walk in nine innings, the first complete game pitched against the Dodgers this season.

Chad Billingsley tied his career high by allowing seven earned runs, the final three bequeathed to George Sherrill, who walked Bobby Abreu and gave up the double to Hunter in the sixth inning.  Billingsley became the fifth pitcher to walk two pitchers in a game this season, joining teammate Clayton Kershaw:

Pitchers to Walk Two Pitchers in Same Game, 2010
Pitcher Date Team Opp Pitcher(s) Walked
Clayton Kershaw Apr 7 LA Pit Ross Ohlendorf (2)
Greg Smith Apr 18 Col Atl Jair Jurrjens (2)
Matt Cain Jun 2 SF Col Jeff Francis (2)
Edwin Jackson Jun 8 Ari Atl Kris Medlen (2)
Chad Billingsley         
tonight LA Ana Joel Pineiro (2)

Notes

  • The Angels scored all 10 of their runs tonight with two outs
  • James Loney hit a home run in the fourth inning, his first long ball since May 15.
  • Scott Elbert, demoted last week after one relief outing, has been placed on the temporary inactive list with Albuquerque after being granted permission by the club to leave for personal family matters, per Ken Gurnick of MLB.com.
  • The Dodgers signed four draft picks, per Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times.  All four were college players:  5th rounder Jacob Lemmerman, a shortstop; 13th rounder Jesse Bosnik, a shortstop; 14th rounder Alex McRee, a left-handed pitcher; and 28th rounder Mike Drowne, a centerfielder.

John Ely and Scott Kazmir do battle tomorrow night.

WP - Joel Pineiro (5-6):  9 IP, 5 hits, 1 run, 1 walk, 7 strikeouts

LP - Chad Billingsley (6-4):  5 2/3 IP, 9 hits, 7 runs, 3 walks, 3 strikeouts

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Dodgers channeling about of their early April action in this game

A bit of bad defense, untimely hitting, terrible pitching, and a Padres win.

by aducker on Jun 11, 2010 10:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I hate baseball sometimes

UCLA now couldnt score with the bases loaded and nobody out, orange county has come in tonight and whooped our asses

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Jun 11, 2010 10:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I think I just found Nate’s MySpace. Haha, are you secretly Tiger Woods? :)

by silverwidow on Jun 11, 2010 10:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Pineiro

I’m afraid I hadn’t really been aware of him before now. Was tonight atypically good for him? What sort of reputation does he have?

I don’t recall even a whisper about him in the off-season when the Dodgers were supposedly looking for a good pitcher. OK, so he’s probably not a registered Ace. But there were excellent non-Ace pitchers discussed but not viable because they wanted too many years on their contracts, past their expected productive time. if we weren’t going after Wolf because he could demand 3 years, nor Lowe who could get 4 years, from other teams, why not Pineiro, if he was happy to settle for $16 mil over two years? (Thanks for that info in the last thread, Eric.) Isn’t that the going rate for a decent FA pitcher? Was Pineiro not considered in the same sort of category?

by berkowit28 on Jun 11, 2010 10:58 PM PDT reply actions  

There isn’t much difference between the cheaper Padilla/Garland types and Pineiro.

Pineiro is a low walk, low HR, and low strikeout guy who relies on his defense more than most. He had a crazy high ground ball rate with the Cardinals last year for his best season, but since teams also weren’t going to sign Cardinals’ pitching coach Dave Duncan therm they backed away from Pineiro.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 12, 2010 4:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

wow, between that UCLA game and the Dodger game tonight

I feel like I could vomit, both teams ran clinics on what NOT to do with RISP

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Jun 11, 2010 11:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Dunlap running was worse than Loneys baserunning mistake. Going first move on a left who has thrown over about 10 times already? When you have a guy on 3rd already? The absolute dumbest coaching/baserunning move you can ever come up with. We cant hit anything offspeed anyways, so giving up outs like that was an outright embarrassment.

by UCLADodger32 on Jun 11, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Seger said

turn the page Dodgers…..turn the page.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 11, 2010 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Game Recap!!!!

So this is pretty much my experience of the game today. First I realized why the Angels switched to all red a few years back, because it was super easy to pick out the Angel fans, it was like a physical representation of blue county/red county, like I was looking at an election day map. Then I sit down and I’m like 50 ft from Andre. I didn’t yell at him the entire game, like I did the first time I was in the field section, cause I realized that might be distracting. The game is good for a few innings, I got to actually see the Loney hr go out, which was neat.

Andre stalking was at an all time high though none of them would be admissible in court, the guy was all focused on the game or whatever. Then the game got out of hand, the Angel fans were happy, but you could tell they were kind of sad inside, cause we were cooler just because Dodger Stadium was our home. It’s like when you’re at a rich friend’s house, and his parents start fighting, you feel sorry for the kid but you’re still totally like wow it’d be so cool to live here, he’s got like Playstation 4.

Anyway, super fun, and I didn’t get sunburnt this time, so win/win! Aside from the loss.

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jun 11, 2010 11:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Beautiful.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 12, 2010 4:17 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wishfull thinking

but I’m sure the Angel players are more then happy to have a clubhouse bigger then a breadbox.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jun 12, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice, thanks.

The thing about red? I really wish Dodgers’ management would find a different color for their vendors, maybe yellow. Too many teams – Reds, Phillies, Angels, etc. – have red for a color, and when the Dodgers are playing them, I’m always thinking that the vendors are the other teams fans.

by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jun 12, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hello from Beijing, China

Not sure what time it is there. All is well here. Able to see the bad sports news though. Dodgers lose and Lakers lose. Ugh!

by Xeifrank on Jun 12, 2010 2:21 AM PDT reply actions  

I call 0-0 on every soccer game fro here on out!

by kinbote on Jun 12, 2010 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

The other bad news is our Pythag. took a beating yesterday. Athens is in mourning.

by kinbote on Jun 12, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Regarding Elbert:

I have not and will not try contacting him. I think he just needs sometime to regroup. He is in my prayers though, I know it has to be tough.

I think this has to do with a combination of just wanting to be home with his wife and 2 daughters, one of which is still only a few months old. I can’t speak for a ballplayer, but there is something to be said about these guys being away from their families all of the time. That’s got to be so hard. I think maybe be has been putting a lot of pressure on himself to succeed. I just hope that he is able to regroup and come back improved.

by ElbertFan on Jun 12, 2010 7:39 AM PDT reply actions  

It will be sad if he ends up like Greg Miller. But at least Elbert got a cup of coffee.

by silverwidow on Jun 12, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tony Jackson says Lemmerman got a $140,000 bonus, for those keeping track of such things.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 12, 2010 8:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Reference is ten years ago, but . . .

If Schaefer’s still the bench coach when Lemmerman makes it to the bigs, that would be cool :)

by kinbote on Jun 12, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bruce Jenkins favors a move I would as well.
You wonder if it occurs to the Giants that Posey easily could play first base, third base or a corner outfield in the long run, adding years to his career. Again, if you get that cleanup hitter, you can afford (post-Molina) to sign a light-hitting catcher who handles the pitching staff well.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/11/SPVR1DTVGJ.DTL#ixzz0qfAT3Lhu

They need to do this. Make Posey into the ultimate utility man.

by Tripon on Jun 12, 2010 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Their last big hitting minor league catcher became their 3rd baseman

it would be funny if Posey becomes a 1st baseman. Probably just an average offensive 1st baseman but that is much better then anything they have gotten in the last few years.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jun 12, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea who Daniel Nava is but he just hit a grand slam on the first pitch he’s ever seen in the majors. 27 years old.

by Alex41592 on Jun 12, 2010 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Just watched it

4’8 when he hit high school, quite a story on how he finally managed to get signed by the Red Sox.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jun 12, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then again it was Rosenthal reporting

on him being 4’8 when he started High School so take that with a grain of salt.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jun 12, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does he play for a team or does he just go out there on his own when he can crash a game?

by berkowit28 on Jun 12, 2010 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Would you believe Nava is up again with the bases loaded?

by Alex41592 on Jun 12, 2010 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Yup

This could be Tony Cloninger time

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jun 12, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or Tatis

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jun 12, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

And down he goes on a checked swing

effectively punching a hole in the balloon of hope.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jun 12, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noticed Mike being defensive

about the ragging on how Chad mishandled the at bats by Pineiro. Probably how I feel about the eternal ragging on Loney.

      Matt Kemp in June – .195/.277/.317
      Matt Kemp in May – . 291/.355/.486
      Matt Kemp in April – .278..333/.536

Career OPS+ = 116

     James Loney In June – .316/.409/.447
     James Loney in May – .263/.315/.455
     James Loney in April – .309/.337/.402

Career OPS+ = 112

Looks like James has his eye going in again in June.

It that really enough of a difference for James to be the TBLA punching bag? Sure one is a first baseman who should be a better hitter, and one is a center fielder where his defensive value can make a difference. But when the CF sucks at defense just seems that maybe the divide between the two is not as large as some make it out to be.

With a runner in scoring position and two outs would you rather have Kemp or Loney?

Oh yeah, because this wouldn’t be a Loney defensive post if it wasn’t for me posting Loney’s 28% line drive rate.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jun 12, 2010 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Last three years though: Kemp – 118 OPS+ from a CF (19 points above average), Loney – 105 (15 points below) from a 1B. Admittedly it’s a sample that hurts Loney more, but it takes out Kemp’s best year too, and stats from more than three years ago don’t have any predictive value.

If Kemp continues his defensive issues and moving him to a corner doesn’t help, then yeah, he’s not all that great of a player. Loney doesn’t have the luxury of moving down the defensive spectrum to possibly help his value.

by regfairfield on Jun 12, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So no matter how I try to spin it

the divide between Kemp and Loney is still quite large. So we need Loney to post an OPS+ near 120 before the DFA’s chorus can go to their corner? I’ll accept that, but I still feel much more comfortable from a subjective point of view that when we need a hit, I’d rather have Loney at least putting the ball in play for a chance of a hit then Kemp swinging at a slider down and away.

I’m sure I’m down on Kemp because in April he looked like the guy who was going to be the home grown stud who would not only be as good as Mondesi but better. Plus I picked him 3rd in the TBLA roto draft and he’s killed me. Actually I’m sure Kemp is going to get it going, but I’m simply tired of the Loney DFA chorus.

I understand the OPS+, WAR and all, but when I watch him play, I’m okay with what he does.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jun 12, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

seconded.

Like I said, unless you’re talking for Adrian Gonzales, or Albert Pujols, I’m perfectly happy with James Loney handling first.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 12, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phil:

Excellent point. I can’t stand all of the BS that goes on in this blog surrounding Loney. He’s a decent, above average hitter who, every game I see at least, typically saves his infield and pitchers quite a bit w/his D. There are so many other realistic things to bitch about.

by KellyStephen on Jun 12, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phillies just getting handled

by the Red Sox. 11 hits in 2 2/3 after getting 12 runs last night. Oh where oh where is Cliff Lee? And man Werth is in a major funk. Stressing over the contract?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jun 12, 2010 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Unnerved by the recent exposure of his Shtunk connection.

by berkowit28 on Jun 12, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joe Blanton is horrible.

by Tripon on Jun 12, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phillies fans are feeling it, too.

Here’s a reaction culled from the CBS Sports Phillies board:

“As great as Halladay has been, maybe the Phillies shot themselves in the foot by giving up their best minor league talent to get him. They could certainly use a boost from the minors right now because even when a Philly pitcher does pitch well there’s no guarantee he’ll win the game.”

Apart from glee at watching the Phillies tank, that quote might give us all a bit of pause when we talk about making a trade this summer for an ace.

by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jun 12, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

annnnnnnnnndddddddd

Joe McGarver is insulting Manny….just had to get it in. Not like there’s a game going on.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 12, 2010 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

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