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Cincinnati Reds Preview - Big Red Machine is back?

Talk about a difference. The last time the Dodgers visited the Reds,  the Reds were coming off a four game losing streak,  and the Dodger offense was being fueled by visions of Kemp grandeur.

Joe Posnanski recently penned a book called "The Machine" about the 1975 Reds. Back then the Dodger/Red rivalry was the best in baseball but since the Reds have moved to the NL Central that rivalry is a distant memory for many of the new generation Dodger / Red fans.

I only mention this because right now because the Reds are hitting like the old Big Red Machine. Cincinnati fans should  be excited about their team,  as they sit in first place on June 14th. All this success comes while they have two parts of their rotation sitting on the DL and maybe the best part learning his craft in the minors.

The offensive excellence of Votto was expected but no one expected Scott Rolen to roll back the clock to become the best 3rd baseman in the NL.  The Reds have two of the hottest hitters in the NL in Philips and Rolen.  Add in Votto and Gomes,  and the Reds have FOUR players with an wOBA over .400 so far in June. Buckle up, this could get ugly.

On the DL:Edinson Volquez, Homer Bailey, Ryan Hanigan

Position Breakdown

1st Base As I said in the previous Red preview,  I think part of the unhappiness with James Loney is that he's not Joey Votto. They were both drafted in 2002. The Dodgers got Loney with the 19th pick of the 1st round; the Reds nabbed Votto with the 2nd pick in the second round. Votto has outperformed Loney by leaps and bounds over the last two years and is quietly turning into the best first baseman in the NL.  At the moment Votto is an extra base hit machine as Brandon Washburn who sponsors his page at baseball - reference points out:

2009 Final NL Rankings: BA .322 (5th) OBP .414 (4th) SLG .567 (5th) OPS .981 (3rd) His at-bats/home run and at-bats/double ratios rate him as one of Major League Baseball's elite hitters. Better things to come in 2010!

Joey Votto is hot, but not hot enough to be the hottest Red even with his .412 wOBA in June. Votto is currently the NL 1st base leader with a .414 wOBA but if you want to see something interesting check out the bottom three.

2nd Base- Brandon Philips was struggling when we last saw the Reds in April, that is no longer the case.  Brandon Philips might be the hottest infielder in baseball except for Scott Rolen.  So far in June he's got a TSL of .438/.460/.583 and has quickly moved up the 2nd base rankings, to sit right behind Kelly Johnson.

Update: Per Baseball HQ

Brandon Phillips underwent a MRI and later received treatment on his strained right hamstring Monday. Phillips has been plagued by periodic hamstring cramps in recent days and the injury kept him out of Sunday's game. While MRI results were not reported, Cincinnati General Manager Walt Jocketty indicated in a published report that the injury was believed to be minor and that Phillips was not expected to miss much action, so should be regarded as day-to-day. Phillips is carrying a 15-game hitting streak in which he has batted a torrid .492 (31-for-63).

As PT Analyst Scott Gellman noted here yesterday, Paul Janish (SS, CIN), who started Sunday's game, is the most likely recipient of PT in Phillips' absence, though Miguel Cairo (IF, CIN) is also a 2B candidate. Cairo filled in effectively during the earlier absence of Joey Votto (1B, CIN) in late May, and has a .282 BA that is well-supported by his .293 xBA, 87% ct%, and 26% LD%.

SS - Orlando Cabrera came over as a FA after spending 2009 playing for the Twins. This old SS is consistent putting up an xBA of .259 - .268 over the last five years. Not a particularly effective offensive player his defense according to UZR also took a large dip in 2009 (-15).  Luckily for the rest of the NL, Orlando has not joined in the June hit parade and allows the pitcher some breathing room when he's not facing the rest of the lineup.

3rd Base -At one time Scott Rolen was one of the best 3rd baseman in the NL.  Snap, he is once again one of the best 3rd baseman in baseball. Shaking off all the shoulder woes of the last six years, Rolen is putting up a season much like he used to from 1997 - 2004 when he was the best 3rd baseman in the NL. He's not slowing down, his June is Glaus like scary. For the month of June, Rolen has a 1.265 OPS and a .518 wOBA. It is not just June, overall Rolen is carrying a .974 OPS just a tad behind Zimmerman.

CRyan Hanigan fractured his left thumb on May 30th. Until that point he had been splitting time with Ramon Hernandez and they were a killer combo. We won't face Hanigan but his excellent start to the year needs to be mentioned. If you look at the wOBA leaderboard for catchers, you will see Ryan Hanigan at the top. Ramon Hernandez was thriving in the platoon role having his best year in four years but since getting the full time gig back, he's one of the few Red hitters struggling with a June TSL of .273/.314/.273. Yup nine singles so far in June. So that gives our pitchers two breathing spots.

CF - Drew Stubbs as noted before has some speed and power but little contact ability. The K rate is still over 30% but we in LA are familiar with a CF not making contact.  In only his 2nd year, Stubbs has plenty of time to improve, and when you have an offensive team like the Reds, they might be able to carry Stubbs hoping repetition is the key to his improvement.

RF - Last time we saw Jay Bruce he was having a dismal April, carrying an .598 OPS into our series. Bad luck had plagued him, with a .19% hit rate, so things were expected to turn around for him. Bruce started hitting with our series in April, and has continued to provide solid numbers. His TSL is sitting at .272/.354/.474, and is slowly developing into the weapon everyone expected him to become. Baseball is a funny game, in April Kemp was on the trajectory to stardom, and Bruce was struggling, two months later, Kemp is flailing, and Bruce is solid.

LF - Johnny Gomes had just taken over the full time gig the last time we were here, and boy has he made the most of it. When you wonder who is going to replace Manny, just remember players like Gomes are always available for the keen general manager. He always had a problem hitting right hand pitching, and while he not struggling as usual against them he is still doing most of his damage against LHP. He kills LHP to the tune of a 1.074 OPS.

What was once a weak outfield in April has solidified,  and along with the best hitting infield in baseball, the Reds can score some runs. 

Bench -Lance Nix (OF), Paul Janish (MI), Juan Francisco (3rd/OF), Miguel Cairo (Infield), Chris Heisy (outfield) and Corky Miller make up the bench.

Starting Pitching for our Series:

Game One -Aaron Harang  was having some bad luck in April and the residue is still hanging onto him. He has a TSL  ERA/FIP/xFIP  of 5.17/4.46/4.00

Game Two -.Mike Leake had only made two major league starts when we faced him in April. At that point he was getting the job done but was walking everyone. Since then he has cut his walks down to a very manageable 3.38 overall from an April level of 4.88. With a TSL of 2.68/3.94/4.20 Leake is having an impressive season for having skipped the minor leagues. 

Game Three - We missed Bronson Arroyo in the last series, but we get the guitar playing pitcher this time. Arroyo has a minuscule K/9 rate of 4.93 which is not helped by his lack of command this year (3.23 BB/9) which is the highest of his career since he became a full time pitcher. The net result is a TSL of 4.80/4.52/5.07

Bullpen:Francisco Cordero is still the closer and still doing the job. Arthur Rhodes is drinking what Scott Rolen is drinking,  and has been virtually un-hittable this year. Hitting stud Micah Owings is walking almost seven hitters per nine innings and is walking a tight rope.  Others we will see are Nick Massett, Daniel Herrera, Rosario,   and Logan Ondrusek

The last time we faced this team I predicted a sweep because our offense was hitting on all cylinders. That didn't happen as our offense did the job but our pitching gave up 25 runs in the three games. That should give us pause, because that was when they were not hitting. Now they are hitting and we are not.Just like the last time we are here I expect this to be an offensive series, but I'm hoping our bullpen will provide some relief. I'm out of the prediction business but I will say, I'm very worried about this series.

For the future the Reds have Homer Bailey, Chapman, and Edinson Volquez, plus a kid named Maloney. The Cardinals should be worried if Scott Rolen can stay healthy. I'd love to see this team dethrone the Cardinals.

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It is very strange

But the Reds, Astros and Braves were really my least favorite teams in the old NL West by far (yes, even more than the Giants, who seemed to never be good at the same time as the Dodgers in the 70’s and 80’s), and now I don’t really care about any of those teams at all. The only team outside of the current NL West I really dislike is the Cardinals.

by Penarol1916 on Jun 15, 2010 7:01 AM PDT reply actions  

I still have the Braves crammed down my throat enough to still dislike them. But above all I hated the Big Red Machine, and, yeah, I don’t much care anymore (except when I see Pete Rose or have to listen to Joe Morgan). As a non-Californian, I never cared much about the Giants one way or the other.

"Where'd you hear about that?"

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 15, 2010 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

You don’t dislike the Phillies? After the last 2 years, they are #4 on my dislike list behind SF, the yankees, and red sox. I know I should have more NL West teams on that list but that is life as a Dodger fan on the east coast.

by CarolinaDodger on Jun 15, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phillies are my number 1 hated team. I want retribution this year.

by robotmadeofnails on Jun 15, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t hate the Phillies because everyone on the team is either a stud, or someone irrelevant. What’s the fun in hating if you can’t focus it on a person.

by regfairfield on Jun 15, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alot of people hate on Victorino

but if he was a Dodger we’d love his style of play.

That team just has to many Dodger connections.
Chase drafted by us but spurned us for UCLA. What a maroon.
Victorino drafted by us and given away
Werth let loose by Ned so he could sign Juan Pierre while claiming we had no outfielders so what was he going to do. Injuries of course were the reason but that is why you have a training staff to let you know if the injuries are in the past or a problem for the future. I know I know, they were to busy telling Ned that Jason Schmidt was fine. No wait that was the following year. Oops major fail two years in a row by them.

by meercatjohn on Jun 15, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

They had Shpunt taking care of Werth

I’m sure they felt he would be fine. An when he wasn’t, well obviously he wasn’t responsive to V-energy and had to go.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I truly disliked some of the Phillies trolls who showed up on DT for the playoffs. Probably the same people who let their toddlers drink beer at the ballpark and voted for Victorino over Ethier. But really, they only other thing I hate about the Phillies is the inability to beat them in the playoffs.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 15, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still have issues with Victirino's bitch fit in the NLDS two years ago

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jun 15, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK, yeah, he bitched, but … after Raffy made three errors in the same inning to pretty much lose the game, Victorino found himself at 2B. Victorino said to him, “Keep your head up, buddy.” For some reason, I love that he said that, seems like a pretty straight-up thing to say to someone, if meant sincerely (which I assume it was).

I have trouble hating the Phillies, because I like many of them (except for their manager, and Ryan Howard, who just does nothing for me).

by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jun 15, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

For some strange reason, growing up in the mid-70’s I disliked the Reds, but I had respect for them as a team. I wanted to beat them, but I always thought that they were a well run team and had great players who weren’t all a-holes. (They had their share, but how could you not like Tony Perez?)

I hated the Giants, and still do. I never had that same level of hatred for the Reds.

The book “The Machine” was excellent, BTW.

by KellyStephen on Jun 15, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hated how good the Reds were

but not the team. The team was amazing, and I was always shocked we were able to compete with them. Thank God the Wayne Simpsons and Gary Nolans of that era blew out their arms.

by meercatjohn on Jun 15, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whenever I think of Joe Morgan doing that chicken wing thing at the plate, I want to smack him.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 15, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

From ‘74 to 78, the Dodgers and Reds were awesome. It sucked that they were able to win their two Series and we couldn’t get it done.

by KellyStephen on Jun 15, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Update

Per Baseball HQ we might miss one of the hottest hitters.

Brandon Phillips underwent a MRI and later received treatment on his strained right hamstring Monday. Phillips has been plagued by periodic hamstring cramps in recent days and the injury kept him out of Sunday’s game. While MRI results were not reported, Cincinnati General Manager Walt Jocketty indicated in a published report that the injury was believed to be minor and that Phillips was not expected to miss much action, so should be regarded as day-to-day. Phillips is carrying a 15-game hitting streak in which he has batted a torrid .492 (31-for-63).
As PT Analyst Scott Gellman noted here yesterday, Paul Janish (SS, CIN), who started Sunday’s game, is the most likely recipient of PT in Phillips’ absence, though Miguel Cairo (IF, CIN) is also a 2B candidate. Cairo filled in effectively during the earlier absence of Joey Votto (1B, CIN) in late May, and has a .282 BA that is well-supported by his .293 xBA, 87% ct%, and 26% LD%.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jun 15, 2010 8:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Blakes, Lakes, & Steaks

I’m in L.A. visiting my dad and can’t wait for tonight. A little Dodgers at 4, a basketball game that even I recognize is massive, and some BBQ to help wash down the beverages. Have fun everyone!

by kinbote on Jun 15, 2010 8:38 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I'd be worried about this series too. But at least it's possible it could be what the doctor ordered for the cold offense.

I wouldn’t expect a lot of pitcher’s duels in this series. We’ll see though.

Missing Phillips would help a bit…

Also my g/f’s bday is today so for the sake of our relationship I can’t watch the Lakers huge game live, and am just hoping my Tivo doesn’t mess up. And hoping I don’t get stressed thinking about it.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jun 15, 2010 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I’ll be going to the game tonight. Last year I was at the game where Heagar fell out of favor but the offense was more than enough to accomodate. In fact, I have usually seen good offensive performances from the Dodgers when I go to see them in Cincy. Hopefully, the trend continues tonight.

by OB12 on Jun 15, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Diamondbacks fire sale begins: Conor Jackson to the A’s for their AAA closer Sam Demel.

by regfairfield on Jun 15, 2010 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

and the dominoes begin to fall.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is this a Conor Jackson sucks thing, or is there something to Demel. He wasn’t ranked in the top 30 prospects but it looks like his command improved a lot this year.

by regfairfield on Jun 15, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also: what the hell do the A’s need Conor Jackson for? Aren’t they already loaded with corner guys with no power?

by regfairfield on Jun 15, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

you know they A's

They’ll probably include him when they trade Ben Sheets.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rangers supposedly wanted him, maybe Beane has something else in the works. Or maybe I just overestimate Beane.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 15, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Demel had like a 1.78 ERA in AAA

and as we know, the D-backs are desperate for bullpen help.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps most of you are sick of this by now

But since we’ve been following this story for the better part of the week, might as well continue to its conclusion.

slmandel: Unbelievable. The five “leftovers” (KU, KSU, ISU, BU, Mizzou) agreed to sign over their share of CU/NU’s buyout money to UT/OU/A&M.

So I guess that’s what Texas gets out of this. Only 3 of the 10 remaning members will get the money from the buyouts.

by Michael White on Jun 15, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a jerk,

But I had no idea what any of that means. I mean, I know about all the conference changes and stuff, but I don’t get that quote you just posted.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nebraska and Colorado have to pay to leave the conference

The proceeds from that money would have been shared equally amongst the members. In order to keep Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M in the conference, the remaning members gave all of the money to just those 3 schools.

by Michael White on Jun 15, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Colorado and Nebraska had to pay a buyout to the conference to leave, and that money was supposed to be split among the other teams. But instead, that money will be split among just three teams (Texas, Oklahoma, and Texas A&M) as a “thanks for not leaving” prize

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Thanks, to both of you. All this wheeling and dealing in college sports is really something.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com was also on ESPN Radio, and said ABC/ESPN stepped up and said the conference can keep the same money under their current contract, with no conference title game, only now it is split between 10 teams instead of 12.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Texas and OU never wanted a title game anyway, so it’s all win for them.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 15, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I also read last night that UT gets to have their own tv deal separate of the conference, and they also get a bigger cut than everyone else of the Big 12 TV money. I had a problem with the idea of UT punking the Pac 10 schools, and I think I am glad I do not have to watch that happen now.

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Texas makes for a terrible partner.

by Michael White on Jun 15, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

SO if Big 12 is not expanding to 12 it saves the MWC from getting raided, which actually saves the WAC, since they would get raided and would probably have to pickup schools like UC Davis that have a football program.

The only reason I wanted complete armageddon was to see how far down the food chain this would go to a convoluted hope that LB State would get to the WAC (minus football) since I think the Big West is holding the basketball program there back.

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess the only move to MWC from WAC is Boise State which essentially replaces Utah who is likely going to the Pac-10.

by Michael White on Jun 15, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you’re Tech board (or A&M or OU), why would you gift TX a network, have faith in Beebe renegotiating TV deals and not get buyout money?

by Julio Nievas on Jun 15, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I do not see why those 3 would stand for it.

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

extortion money

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jun 15, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kemp going to pick up where he left off?

When the Dodgers last left Cincinnati, Matt Kemp led the majors in runs, RBI, and home runs. I think he left his mojo in Cincy. I thought these numbers were amazing:

First 15 games: .333/.405/.730, 20 runs, 20 RBI, 7 HR
Last 48 games: .242/.300/.384, 27 runs, 13 RBI, 4 HR

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 9:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Matt Kemp

“Hey, here’s my bat.”

Andre Ethier,

“Told you you left it in Cincinnati”

Kemp doesn’t listen, just gently caresses his lost bat and quietly vows he’ll never leave it again.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm so pissed off about how bad he's sucked since then

he’s my favorite player and I find myself wanting to yell at him when i see him strike out now, lol.

"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"

by Ivdown on Jun 15, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tiger has a kid with one of these ho’s???

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

heard that

I told my dad it has the making of quite the movie when he finally wins another major. Rags to Riches, taken down by lies and sex, then….triumph. I’m sure people are lining up to buy the rights already.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

It wouldn’t surprise me, but it’s not like the woman carries a lot of credibility.

Is there any evidence other than her claim?

People don't think it be like this, but it do.

by MartinGreen on Jun 15, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

NL OF All-Star voting

Ryan Braun 1,422,598
Jason Heyward 1,419,753
Andre Ethier 1,348,662
Jayson Werth 1,124,831
Shane Victorino 1,029,700

Kemp and Manny are 7th and 9th for seemingly the billionth week in a row.

Russell Martin is the only other Dodger in the top 5 at his position, but it’s a distant 5th.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100615&content_id=11192598&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I would assume Heyward.

by OB12 on Jun 15, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it almost has to be. I didn’t even think about that.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

17 games in center, all in rookie or A, as opposed to 190 in right.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 15, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

When the other options are Braun and Ethier, it doesn’t matter. :)

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

If those are the starting three OFers then it is almost a given that both Werth and Victorino will be reserve OFers since Manual will want a couple of OFers with experience in CF and it will have nothing to do with the fact that they play for him.

by OB12 on Jun 15, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good luck convincing Tripon :)

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I asked on Twitter

if Braun-Heyward-Ethier would be the worst defensive OF in ASG history, and @Bill_TDS offered up 2004, when the NL had

LF Bonds
CF Berkman
RF Sosa

Ouch

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

i signed up to see where these food trucks are at, and I dont get this thing at all.

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

ill work on it tonight. But i guess as i signed up it was broken last night?

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know how you can follow 782 people.

by Michael White on Jun 15, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have most of them organized into lists, and mostly use those.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

While that's bad

At least Berkman was technically a CF for a while. And he had to do with with a freaking hill in his outfield.

by Michael White on Jun 15, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Ethier and the All-Star Game

He seemed excited to go see Kings of Leon at the House of Blues in Anaheim on June 12. Other reporters were trying to convince Andre that he would likely be busy that night (either participating in the HR derby or sitting on the grass with everyone else).

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

That show is across the street right? around 9p? and the HR Derby is at like 5. Plenty of time.

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected

It’s July 12, of course, and they are playing at 7:30 at the Hollywood Bowl. No chance.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good. Kings of Leon is lame anyways.

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Their old stuff (non-mainstream) is really really good.

by Julio Nievas on Jun 15, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Having only heard what is on the radio, I strongly agree with delias man.

by CarolinaDodger on Jun 15, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do we want Dre in the HR Derby?

I kinda wonder how he’d do, but haven’t a lot of hitters gotten out of whack after it?

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that effect is overblown. I would love to see Andre in the derby

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

wasn’t Hee Sop Choi the last Dodger to participate?

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

The only Dodgers to participate have been Choi and Mondesi. Piazza was in two HR derbies, but didn’t “participate” :)

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like A-gon and Inge last year? Or did A-gon actually just hit one. Can’t remember now.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will call BS on that all day long too.

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

true, it didn’t really seem to affect Fielder

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

From what I can remember there’s no sign the effect exists.

by regfairfield on Jun 15, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aaron Miller

Should the Dodgers promote him to AA?

by npurcell on Jun 15, 2010 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes. Nice to have a stud LHP in the system again.

by silverwidow on Jun 15, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

What's the rush?

I see no reason to fasttrack him. He won’t need to be added to the 40 man roster for quite some time.

Let him finish out the year in the Cal League and start next year in AA. It would make sense to move him to AA if Miller’s ETA was the end of next year.

by Michael White on Jun 15, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’ll be 23 at year’s end. That’s a big reason enough reason to challenge him. Although he doesn’t have a ton of experience on the mound, I think he’s got the stuff to succeed in AA right now.

by silverwidow on Jun 15, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think so too

He saw a raise in his velocity this year and now his fastball sits in the 93-95 range and has a nasty slider.

by Julio Nievas on Jun 15, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

If that’s true, he’s our #1 prospect.

by silverwidow on Jun 15, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doubtful

Gordon, Withrow, Martin, and Webster would be above him still IMO.

"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"

by Ivdown on Jun 15, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pirates calling up Alvarez tomorrow

Old friend Andy LaRoche becomes the utility guy, per Rotoworld

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 15, 2010 10:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Can I start the bring back Andy campaign?

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

How can you hate a guy named Andy?

His name, is Andy!

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jun 15, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

The discussions when he was here were exhaustive, and exhausting. I’ve had enough. No need for more, IMO. That’s all…

by berkowit28 on Jun 15, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

But only if he comes in a trade for GA.

by EMDarrow on Jun 15, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just saw Casey McGehee's slide on Erik Aybar from last night

I wonder how it would turn out had McGehee stepped over Aybar as Aybar was in pain.

by Julio Nievas on Jun 15, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

James Baldwin article

http://www.thepilot.com/news/2010/jun/11/baldwin-readies-next-step/

Contract negotiations with Dodger officials through an agent began on Wednesday. When completed, Baldwin is expected to be invited to the team’s spring training base in Glendale, Ariz. He figures to play for the Dodgers’ Arizona League team for rookies in a season that runs from late June through August.

Baldwin previously made a verbal commitment to continue his education and baseball career at Elon University. He decided before the draft that he would turn pro if selected in the fifth round or earlier.
Going into the first day of the draft on Monday, the Dodgers, Cincinnati Reds and Washington Nationals were the teams showing the most interest. Word of Baldwin’s selection by the Dodgers came to the family through a phone call from a well-wisher. Those calling to offer congratulations included former White Sox teammates Bo Jackson, Mike Cameron and Harold Baines, and a current member of the New York Yankees, Marcus Thames.

by npurcell on Jun 15, 2010 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh the memories

Especially of my brother banning proximity mines, because I would throw them everywhere. Mwa ha ha.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

My brother was all about the golden gun, head shots, et all

I’d just walk around with a machine gun and spray anything, like the villain in a movie you know is about to die if once their bullet ribbon runs out

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jun 15, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Connor Jackson gone
Carlos Quentin gone
Carlos Gonzales gone
Brett Anderson gone
They swung and missed with Haren, now they need to rebuild by trading Haren, when they would have been better off in keeping Cargo/Carter/Anderson and building from within.

Just a reminder when we get all giddy about trading the jewels for the Halladays and Blakes of the world. That ace never got a chance to pitch that important playoff game.

by meercatjohn on Jun 15, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Salary exchanged in the deal

per Nick Piecoro of the AZ Republic:

The Diamondbacks, who are including about $375,000 in the trade, are saving roughly $1.5 million. Jackson looks like he would have been a candidate to be non-tendered at the end of the season

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t help that their best player hasn’t pitched for two years.

by regfairfield on Jun 15, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Had Webb stayed healthy

It would’ve helped, but given the luck they’ve had with the bullpen and many of their best offensive prospects not performing to expectations, they may well have still not been all that great.

by EMDarrow on Jun 15, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was against trading the Jewels back in 07, and 08 when there were talks for Miggy and Santana.

There was no freaking way I was going to want to give up a combo of Loney/Kemp/Kershaw/Laroche/Martin/Bills for either of those two no matter how good they were.

"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"

by Ivdown on Jun 15, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Winner.

and on the 93rd postseason of the National Hockey League, the Slovakian-hockeygod Zeus commanded from high atop Mount Figueroa..."RELEASE THE MEAT TRAIN!" And it was good.

by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 15, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Equalizer?

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jun 15, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

speaking of WC

where can i watch online that’s not espn3?

by npurcell on Jun 15, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

im watching it right now…

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it says

“I’m fucked” in spanish.

by npurcell on Jun 15, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess it is blocked in AZ? ha

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t work as a link because delias put the URL in the header -m you have to copy and paste. If you move it down to the body of the reply, it should work as a link:

http://futbol.univision.com/fifacopamundial/partidos-en-vivo?partner=CBSSPORTS

by berkowit28 on Jun 15, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

His direct link was in the body of his comment, and worked just fine.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

So it does. I was fooled by the larger font-size of URLs (and it came first). Should have checked.

by berkowit28 on Jun 15, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

i know you were not looking to watch the game…
Checking if it was a legal stream?

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I know Univision is cool. Me and Andres Cantor go way back.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

No Homer Bailey this series

but he did offer up his thoughts on soccer to Hal McCoy on Sunday:

There are nearly a dozen flat screen HD TVs in the palatial confines of the Cincinnati Reds clubhouse and they all seemed to be tuned in to World Cup soccer early Sunday morning.

Homer Bailey sat at his locker staring at at a TV, the only one NOT displaying soccer. Bailey was watching a show on bow hunting.

"I knew you wouldn’t be watching soccer," I said. Bailey smiled and said, "No way. Soccer is a communist sport. And I don’t care if you use that."

Found via NBC’s Hardball Talk

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  

If I call in a hit on Homer Bailey...

does that make me Stalin-esque? Way to live in the 1960s guy. Oh, everything foreign is communist. Jeezy Creezy

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jun 15, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, doesn’t he know that the word is “socialist” now?

by regfairfield on Jun 15, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently

He’s never seen the movie Victory.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t mind showing he’s stupid. Too bad. Doesn’t matter for playing baseball, though.

by berkowit28 on Jun 15, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

humor isn't allowed when talking about soccer!

Hell I’ll admit it, I still to this day call soccer a communist sport, as a joke.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jun 15, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell yes

Screw soccer.

"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"

by Ivdown on Jun 15, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brent Leach

I put this in the minor league recap thread, too, for anyone wondering why he was suspended….

Leach was in fact suspended by the PCL for throwing at a batter last week, but it didn’t get issued until he moved to Double A, so it transferred with him to the Lookouts.

Leach will start the second game of Wednesday’s doubleheader.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

sounds like minor league umps have a quicker trigger than major league ones.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

What’s “throwing at a batter” as opposed to “pitching”? A judgment decision that it was intentionally aimed to hit the person rather than the bat rather than a bad throw?

by berkowit28 on Jun 15, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Memo to every baseball team ever- no more dog piles or stupid celebrations unless you win the whole thing. UCLA just lost their starting 2nd baseman and #3 hitter Tyler Rahmatulla for the CWS because he broke his wrist during the dog pile against Fullerton. Hopefully the rest of the squad will do like the Angels and pick it up after losing their best player, but damn, this hurts.

by UCLADodger32 on Jun 15, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Especially in a 7 run game, with the spot basically clinched. I put 100% blame on the coaching staff for this. The outcome was already decided, and this was just so damn unnecessary. The coaches should have told every player that if a dogpile like this happens, they would all have hell to pay, be suspended, whatever. Having 20 people jump on top of you is just the dumbest way to celebrate anything, and now our chances of doing any type of damage is severely lessened.

by UCLADodger32 on Jun 15, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

How would he suspend his whole team?

I get your point but a threat is meaningless if everybody knows it would never be followed through.

by Michael White on Jun 15, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont know, i’m just pissed. I would think they would be smart enought to try to prevent something like this from happening, but apparently not.

by UCLADodger32 on Jun 15, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure. I understand.

I personally don’t place the blame on the coach like you do. These players are adults and the coach isn’t a babysitter.

by Michael White on Jun 15, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its pretty difficult to prevent fluke injuries

and the fact that its happened 2-3 times recently doesn’t mean its not a fluke. These celebrations have been going on for years and the number of times people have been hurt can be counted on one hand.

by EMDarrow on Jun 15, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Two things I dislike

1. Out of control walk off celebrations. Your not little leaguers. Save that for when you win a game that means something, not some piss ass regular season victory.
2. Sliding headfirst into home plate. The game has gotten to polite, since it is to the baserunners benefit to use the head first slide into home plate and utilize the hand to score, the catcher really needs to put his kneeguards right into the baserunners face so they don’t attempt such shenanigans. I’d be curious to see if anyone slides headfirst when AJ Peabody is catching. He’s disliked enough that maybe he doesn’t put up with that nonsense.

by meercatjohn on Jun 15, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

They’re 18-21 year old kids. And baseball players.

by KellyStephen on Jun 15, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

As much as I love the walkoffs, I am forever afraid that someone is going to step on Ethier’s neck or something while he is at the bottom of one of those dog piles.

by OB12 on Jun 15, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its even better in College ball

Do they still do that like after every HR? I know the last time I paid much attention, the whole team gathered at home plate to congratulate the batter after every homer, regardless of importance.

by EMDarrow on Jun 15, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lamar Odom apparently has sinusitis, which is just about the coolest-named ailment one can have.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

He’s infected everybody but Kobe apparently. No, no, NO! Good thoughts only for tonight. : )

by Alex41592 on Jun 15, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess the story already changed. Flu this morning. Typical LO

by delias man on Jun 15, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s probably from having his finger up his nose all series. And here I thought it was up his ass the whole time.

by KellyStephen on Jun 15, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I watched Game 6 of the 1988 NBA Finals yesterday online. That was a HELL of a game.

by Alex41592 on Jun 15, 2010 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Isiah in the 3rd was amazing.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lakers also couldn’t grab a board in that series. But, everything turned out all right in the end.

by Alex41592 on Jun 15, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lakers down 3-2 in the series, down by 3 in Game 6 with a minute left. Nervous time!

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reds have another reliever tonight

per Tom Groeschen of the Cincinnati Enquirer:

The rumor on Twitter last night that the Reds were calling up right-hander Jordan Smith is apparently true.

It’s pretty shocking given his Double-A numbers: 1-3, 5.08 ERA, .318 opponent average. Haven’t heard what the other move is. I’ll post as soon as I know

by Eric Stephen on Jun 15, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Thoughts on Manny's return to Boston

ESPN.com chat

I was looking some Manny-related stuff up last night. There is no doubt that Manny and Jimmie Foxx were the greatest RH hitters in Red Sox history (even if Manny had played during a decline phase, he still would have had OPS+ higher than Jim Rice). And while Yaz certainly gets the career value reward, Manny was the best hitter in Red Sox history since Williams retired.

Manny had the second best OF OPS+ from 2001-2008 and with A-Rod and Pujols, the best right-handing hitting player in the majors during that time period.

Oh yeah, he also was a key player in the renaissance of the Red Sox and of course a key player on their 2 World Series winning teams.

I can’t think of a such a great player returning to the scene of his greatest accomplishments with such national interest on it in recent history.

It will be interesting to see what happens this weekend.

by bhsportsguy on Jun 15, 2010 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I read an article on LA times.com

talking about this. It seems a lot of people still aren’t quite over how he left Boston. Be interesting to see if they boo him the first two games, but the last one they give him a standing O.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know it's Rosenthal

but he posts an interesting idea. He says the Brewers could be looking to trade for Cliff Lee, giving up maybe Corey Hart or Mat Gamel, and then flip Lee for younger pitching. Three way trade with the Dodgers?

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

wasn't the knock on us

was that was all we had? isn’t that whey we need “teh ace”?

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

But we’re not giving up Kershaw or Billingsley,so if that’s what they mean by younger pitching its a moot point.

Other younger is WAY younger. Like the pitchers silverwidow mentions or Aaron Miller.

by Michael White on Jun 15, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

what about McDonald or Elbert? though I know their value has waned quite a bit

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 15, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their value is at Hu levels right now.

by silverwidow on Jun 15, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Based on his defense

arguments have been made that Hu as major league value. In a world where Izturis is a starting SS, Hu still has some value.

by meercatjohn on Jun 15, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

McDonald might have had some value if a team wanted to convert him to a back end reliever (velocity got up to 97 last year in 1 inning spurts) but with JMac injured and Elbert MIA those two won’t fetch anybody in a trade.

by Michael White on Jun 15, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Young pitching = Jansen/Pimentel/De La Rosa/Frias :)

by silverwidow on Jun 15, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

McDonald, Elbert, WIthrow, Jansen, Martin, Miller, and Eovaldi all in High A or above.

Webster, Magill, Pimentel, DeLaRose, Frias, Danielson, and Gould in Low A or below.

That qualifies as young pitching.

by meercatjohn on Jun 15, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which younger pitcher would that be?

Unless they mean prospects, it would have to be Ely, which I’d be cool with, but I somehow doubt.

"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"

by Ivdown on Jun 15, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mark Mulder retired
Mark Mulder (P) 6/15/2010
Mulder has apparently retired, AOL Fanhouse reports. Mulder was attempting a comeback this spring, but he did not participate in spring training and never even signed with a team. Mulder has not made his retirement official, but he has not thrown a baseball since February and appears to be focused on other things, such as improving his golf game.

Funny how it works out. Beane stole Haren for Mulder but then completely whiffed on the Hudson deal. Haren become a plethora of talent but he squandered most of that trading Cargo to the Rockies for Holliday. Then he flipped Holliday for Wallache who he flipped for Taylor. Does Beane have ADD or does he simply get tired of his shiny things very quickly?

by meercatjohn on Jun 15, 2010 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

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2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
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SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



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Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
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Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
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33
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30
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31
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27
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70 Will Savage rhp
27
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25
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37

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67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
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