Dodgers Use Up Quota For Los Angeles Losses Today
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:02 PM PDT
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PrintJohn Ely fell victim to the long ball today, giving up three home runs as the Reds beat the Dodgers 7-1 in the series finale at Great American Ballpark. Bronson Arroyo walked six and struck out only one over his seven innings, but managed to induce three different 3-6-1 double plays, and gave up just one run.
The Dodgers loaded the bases with two outs in the eighth inning, but pinch hitter Manny Ramirez grounded to shortstop on the first pitch.
Chin-Lung Hu made his season debut for the Dodgers, coming in to play shortstop in the bottom of the eighth.
One of the home runs given up by Ely was a three-run shot by Arroyo in the second inning. It was the first three-run home run by a pitcher allowed by a Dodger since Bill Swift took Hideo Nomo deep in Colorado on May 7, 1995. Since 1981, the only other Dodger to allow a three-run homer to a pitcher was Fernando Valenzuela, in 1989 and 1990. It seems fitting since we were swept up in Ely Mania that he be linked, albeit negatively, with the other two Dodger manias of the last 30 years.
There will be plenty of time to worry about what's wrong with Ely, who has given up six home runs in his last three starts. But for now the city of Los Angeles has Boston on its collective mind, and it will be that way through Sunday.
Go Lakers.
WP - Bronson Arroyo (6-3): 7 IP, 5 hits, 1 run, 6 walks, 1 strikeout
LP - John Ely (3-4): 4 2/3 IP, 8 hits, 7 runs, 3 walks, 3 strikeouts
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We need furcal back!
The sky is falling! Sweep city in Boston! /sobs self to sleep.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Aye
This dodger team is good. Imagine what would happen if we could keep our starters healthy and together for longer then a week? I’m sure we’ll get out of the next 6 games at worst at .500.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
No sweat. Billz will be back soon
I think the rest is good for him. Padilla coming back makes a solid #4. Ely is a great #5 as MSTI pointed out via Twitter. We will be ok…..I think.
My biggest concern is Padilla taking a couple starts to round into form
We still got Kuroda and and Kershaw though what what!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Rounding into form for Padilla
could mean anything
by meercatjohn on Jun 17, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Right now I'll take an ERA less then or around 4.5 avging around 6 innings a start?
assuming we get bills back healthy and in form.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Man, the Clippers fans are getting restless
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
theres also silver screen and roll too
that where Im gonna be as well.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Considering I'm the one who posts the we win pic
I’ll let you guess which one I want to ban
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I post it when we actually win though :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
you son of a bitch!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
The easiest way to solve this issue is for the Dodgers to go on an extended (and I mean extended) winning streak.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The Inaugural SBN Meetup
Anyone going to that?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Their doin an LA one?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I've been meaning to do a post about that
I will be there
Tuesday, June 29.
I’ll have more details either later tonight or tomorrow.
Long story, short: I am the editor at SB Nation Los Angeles, which launches on June 29 (same day as the meetup)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Congrats!
They couldn’t have chose a better editor.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Talk about burying the lede!
I can’t attend. My daughter arrives back in LA that day and we have plans. Otherwise I would have come.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 17, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You must have been a journalism student. Lede.
by silverwidow on Jun 17, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
His favorite The Who album was Live at Leeds
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Eric
You will be getting a call from me soon (after class). Are you available?
by Julio Nievas on Jun 17, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
“See that girl in the stands? She’s got some good ideas.”
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
And yes, I realize it was a leg
But it was a jab at what he would break in celebration after his leg heals
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, that probably looks a lot like some folks’ ballot.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I was looking for Barbaro Canizares on the ballot...
but apparently he was put down.
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Coming into today
There were 11 3-6-1 double plays by National League teams this season.
Now there are 14, and the Reds have five of them.
Amazingly
Votto throws right-handed. ;)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 17, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shocked at this news
what kind of 1st baseman bats left handed and throws right handed?
by meercatjohn on Jun 17, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Timely stuff by Kensai
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/6/17/1523278/do-we-need-to-worry-about-matt-kemp
Good writeup about the hitter but I would have liked to have seen more about the complete player, which is the one who is sorely missing these days.
too much explaining
about regression towards the mean and sample size with advanced metrics and using the eqbrr on baseball prospectus and blah
too tired at 1 am
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
cliffs
he’s about below average in center and a overall good baserunner due to his speed but arguably only average for as fast as he could be
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems to me he's lost a step
any way to measure that other then subjectively?
by meercatjohn on Jun 17, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that's actually the issue here
since some things aren’t actually quantifiable by numbers, they are dismissed out of hand because the perceived performance can’t be or, in the case of Kemp currently, isn’t reflected in a major drop in stats.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I do enjoy living in the world of things we can actually prove without assuming. Not like he’s Milton Bradley here.
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I would argue that you’re not getting a complete picture if you’re only going to rely on statistics. But without getting into a huge debate where I tell you one thing, and you vehemently disagree with me because you happen to hold a different opinion, I’ll just say that the human element in sports is what makes it more interesting. Otherwise we’d just be watching computer simulations.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
That's not true at all.
I’m just talking about analysis. If we are talking about analyzing things based on what I want to be true, then I can say just about anything I want.
Garret Anderson doesn’t suck, I speculate that he is distracted by talks of retirement and his true talent level is a .900 OPS. Prove me wrong.
Etc/Ad Nauseum
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
What's not true at all?
That I believe that you can’t get a full picture of a player if you rely solely on statistics? Or that you’ll vehemently disagree with me because you happen to hold a different opinion?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I'd argue that signing with another team at his age rather than retiring
is a sign he wants to still prove himself and believes he can, so this performance is him hitting a wall, not feeling the force of retirement weighting down on him
But I see your point
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
but you can't prove me wrong
since there’s no possible way to do so :o
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't agree
Statistics measure what the humans did
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i had a commenter post that too
but like I told him, I can’t honestly measure it
Speed score is crap. I guess defense, but you would need a two year sample for reliability, at least…
You want to time his sprints to first base from 2009 to 2010? :(
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we were all hoping you would do that for us
While we are at it time his time from 1st to 2nd on a steal.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I tried that with pop times last yaer
and by mid season i wanted to kill myself :o
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That was going to be my suggestion
Measuring pop times not you killing yourself :)
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he should take the Chase Utley route
regarding his slump.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Slumping-Chase-Utley-resorts-to-the-power-of-voo?urn=mlb,249181
Dodgers have already shown a previous inclination for using mystical means.
by meercatjohn on Jun 17, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
If i had photoshop
I would put Kemp’s face over Cerrano’s and put the jobu quote in subtitles
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
your welcome
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
better linke
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
holy crap
Utley — who came into the game hitting .180 over his previous 25 games — was responsible for the hocus pocus-based appeal.
I did not realize that. I’m guilty of just assuming he always rakes.
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Should be like philly fans defending utley
and just assume kemp is hurt
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
baserunning
what are people talking about when they say he is running the bases poorly?
i hope they are not just talking about sb/cs numbers since that is like…half of the story
that espn TMI blog even wrote about how 3 of his cs were reversible, so whatever, more the problem is the double plays and the potential that his babip is going down for a reason other than luck and ball distribution
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm gonna practice some perspective for Kensai
This Dodger team recently split a series with our Doppleganger the Braves, swept an always dangerous Cardinals team, and took a series on the road from a first place Cincinnati. If it weren’t for the Angels series I’d be ecstatic, but as is I am quite pleased with how we’ve been playing.
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
Its even more impressive
when you consider how many hits we have taken. Padilla, furcal, Ethier and MAnny to DL. Then Billz DL and Furcal bereavement. Yet they still grind on. I hope we will see the team firing on all cylinders. We have yet to see that happen yet this season so I have hope going forward. and NO I do not believe that Kemp cannot turn it around. He will and it will be freaking awesome
It's true
Dodgers aren’t a team built around any one player not…no real ace in the rotation, even Manny is just doubles power mostly these days. It’s very encouraging to see so much tallent in the bullpen and the bench that has stepped up over and over this year.
Interleague isn't much for sample anyway
We’re blowing out teams in the West and at Home, that’s all that matters
I really really REALLY hate interleague
I don’t care to see WS match ups in the regular season. Not when some teams face the Orioles and Royals and we face the Angels every year.
Right
They should make a division play the same set of teams to keep it fair and rotate each year. Playing Yanks and Red Sox once every 30 years is kind of silly. I think the scheduel would work out if they tried.
Impossible with 30 teams and uneven divisions. If you make it all 5-team divisions, you have to have an interleague series every day
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
there are more teams in the nl
And the divisions are different sizes. You have 6 team, 5 team and 4 team divisions. Gotta move a team from the NL to the AL and then balance the divisions.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
A friend of mine who is a Braves fan is rage filled
The Mets caught up to the Braves who have to play the Rays while the Mets face the Indians
This I don't understand
We have interleague in June for a reason, because the race doesn’t matter as much right now. September is almost all league play, and that’s where the races are decided.
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Until you lose the division by three games
which was a result of interleague play in June.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Right
but the Mets will eventually play the Rays I assume, and the Braves will eventually face the Indians. So it all balances out
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope, which is why the current interleague system is dumb. Unless you mean several years from now by eventually.
by regfairfield on Jun 17, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
All games matter
And for the most part the schedule evens out as far as opponents EXCEPT for interleague
I said this yesterday
but the attractiveness of the World Series used to be that it was novel, an answer to which league was better that year. Now the NL wins the world series, and folk are like, well the AL kills in inter-league play, and that All Star game streak…
While I accept that the AL is more competitive right now, too many good NL teams get dismissed out of hand
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Bigger problem, why do we play NYY and BOS
While the rest play Baltimore? Do they all play NYY and BOS? I hope so…
Nope. this is why interleague is crap. This could completely change the playoff picture, which is something that should never be determined by the schedule. We get the Yankees and boston and the angels twice while the Giants get the Orioles, the Padres get the Mariners, etc. Its pure crap.
by UCLADodger32 on Jun 17, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
They just play Baltimore and shit?
What a fucking joke. That’s like 6 free games versus 6 games of hell against two of the best three teams in the majors. Rofl.
by Chad Moriyama on Jun 17, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The only way to fix interleague
would be to move at least one team from the nl to the al and then do like football does. On division plays another division. thats it.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Thats not fixing it then
It fixes the situation though. I personally like limited interleague, if they where able to just have each division play one other division every year like football it would be cool, but that would require major rejiggering.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
NL West interleague opponents
Dodgers: ANA x2, DET, NYY, at BOS
D-Backs: TOR, NYY, at DET, at BOS, at TB
Padres: SEA x2, TOR, BAL, at TB
Giants: OAK x2, BAL, at TOR, BOS
Rockies: at KC, TOR, at MIN, BOS, at ANA
Remember that
NL West teams have 2 “natural rivals” (LA vs. LA of ANA) and (SF vs Oakland), plus the Padres have played Seattle twice for the last several years.
The Rockies used to play KC more than once and the D-Backs don’t really have a rival.
Measuring the toughness schedule, I would rank it, Arizona, LA, Colorado, Giants and Padres.
by bhsportsguy on Jun 17, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
1st half
Mexico has dominated France… but they missed some opportunities…
France has struggled everything… Govou and Anelka seem to be lost on the ground… Anelka has played as a defensive midfielder…
The central back is worring me…
Colony Capital sucks... Paris est magique...
You got soccer in my baseball
you got baseball in my soccer. Two great tastes that taste……really awful together
Well if this is going to be about
whining about inter-league play and how unfair it is, it is a good time to get some work done.
I'm all for expansion
add two teams;
make each league four divisions of four teams each.
No wild card.
Have the four teams in each division play the same schedule, since they are fighting for the same playoff spot.
Portland Beavers and Buffalo Bisons
Someone make it so
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
No way. There’s enough crappy pitching with 30 teams.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If I murdered Bud Selig with poison, then married his wife in Massachusetts making me commissioner:
This is how it’d be:
NL PacificDodgers, Giants, Padres, Portland Beavers
NL WestRockies, D-backs, Astros, Omaha
NL CentralCubs, Reds, Cardinals, Pirates
NL EastBraves, Mets, Phillies, Marlins
AL PacificA’s, Angels, Mariners, Rangers
AL WestBrewers, Royals, Twins, White Sox
AL CentralNationals, Tigers, Indians, Orioles
AL EastYankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Rays
man that took way too long
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I like no wild card
But against expansion. Just go back to an NL West and NL East and balance the schedules. And get rid of interleague. And get off my lawn.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Those horses are already out of the barn (extra round of playoffs, interleague).
That sounds like an awkward schedule though in the NL.
6 games against 8 teams in other NL division = 48
16 games against 7 teams in same NL division = 112
We’re two games short!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I could swallow a schedule that wasn’t completely balanced. Now its just too much. 19 games against Colorado as opposed to 6 against Braves (the same as the Angels in the freaking AL.) I still like watching the Dodgers play teams throughout the entire NL.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Because the 6-team NL Central can’t play the 4-team AL West evenly
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
If we didn't care that some teams played more interleague than others
And we filled in the gaps with extra league series (like how we’re playing 2 in CIN)..that still wouldn’t work?
Your trading an unbalanced schedule vs the AL for an unbalanced schedule against the NL.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Actually you're right
My problem was I wasn’t thinking how big the unbalance would be. For instance the difference in NLC vs ALW would be 12 games to 18 games if we assume 3 game series.
NL West has 5 teams – AL West has 4 teams
NL Central has 6 teams – AL Central has 5 teams
NL East has 5 teams – AL East has 5 teams
There are always 2 more NL teams.
by bhsportsguy on Jun 17, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Best way to fix interleague is to just scrap it. It does nothing for anyone outside of Chicago at this point IMO.
It does something for the L.A. markets. Those games would be sold out in the middle of Sept, or April, or May.
The problem with that analysis is that if you take a random day when the Dodgers and Angels both play in LA, and add up the attendance, it’s bigger than the attendance at a D-v-A game.
Which means that the attendance in LA is actually lower on that day than it would have been without interleague.
(Same thing is true in every market. NY, Chi, SF/Oak, Det/Tor. Interleague games where the two teams are geographically close actually reduce attendance.)
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
The problem with your analysis is that if the Angels didn’t have an away game at Dodger Stadium, they would have an away game somewhere else, not an additional home game. DS draws more fans for the Angels than they would for an additional game against the, say, Milwaukee Brewers, instead.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
And New York
and as New York goes…
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell that to the Dodger
marketing group who have used it to sell 1,000’s of limited season ticket plans.
by meercatjohn on Jun 17, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The novelty has probably worn off
since the Yanks play the Mets as often as the play the Tigers
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I like how you are suddenly the champion of the disenfranchised
and I don’t even think the Dodgers need to do anything regarding Ely and he will be fine, but there is something wrong with Ely’s last three starts. Yes, some fly balls were bound to find the seats, but his command has been bad in his last three starts and with his stuff that’s something that needs to improve.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
So
he’s young, and has to…improve?
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
and yes he has earned the rope to let him improve at the major league level.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Well yeah, but my point is that his command he shown in his first 6 or 7 starts was never this good to begin with.
And I’m not the champion of the disenfranchised, more like the nagging midwife who is saying that the physics of baseball doesn’t change for any one person.
I think Tripons point
and the one he made regarding Haeger is that the expectation level for the fifth starter should be low in the first place. Just because Ely exceeded that expectation in the beginning does change what a realistic expectation should be for a fifth starter. I agree with him and have used that same argument all the way back when Brett Tomko was getting shit on for pitching exactly like a fifth starter.
by meercatjohn on Jun 17, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, pretty much.
Which is why I can’t get mad at Heager, or Ely, or Padilla that much when they crap out. They’re supposed to. Sad maybe, not never angry. Also why I can’t fathom others getting mad at Heager for having bad outings.
well when your bad outings = not getting an out...
Not that I disagree in general
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
This was using 2007 numbers
but here was the breakdown of starters in the NL that year (from my guest post on DT):
Rotation Slot GS IP IP/start H/9 HR/9 BB/9 K/9 ERA ERA+
- Starters 33.3 209.7 6.31 9.00 0.83 3.00 6.62 3.84 115
- Starters 30.9 187.4 6.06 9.33 1.13 2.74 6.28 4.32 103
- Starters 27.9 160.4 5.75 9.38 1.16 3.38 6.58 4.53 98
- Starters 21.7 124.4 5.73 9.13 1.16 3.12 6.20 4.59 96
- Starters 16.4 88.9 5.43 10.17 1.26 3.35 5.84 5.07 87
- Starters 11.3 60.4 5.37 10.18 1.15 3.32 6.22 5.26 84
Safe to say Haeger has fallen short of even the #6 starter threshold this year.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
You should use the pre tag for that!
Rotation Slot GS IP IP/start H/9 HR/9 BB/9 K/9 ERA ERA+ #1 Starters 33.3 209.7 6.31 9.00 0.83 3.00 6.62 3.84 115 #2 Starters 30.9 187.4 6.06 9.33 1.13 2.74 6.28 4.32 103 #3 Starters 27.9 160.4 5.75 9.38 1.16 3.38 6.58 4.53 98 #4 Starters 21.7 124.4 5.73 9.13 1.16 3.12 6.20 4.59 96 #5 Starters 16.4 88.9 5.43 10.17 1.26 3.35 5.84 5.07 87 #6 Starters 11.3 60.4 5.37 10.18 1.15 3.32 6.22 5.26 84
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Okay, but I was speaking more of Silverwidow blasting at Heager every chance he gets. Yes, Heager likely shouldn’t make another start for the Dodgers, but its not as if he on trial for killing his wife and can’t put on the gloves he used to commit the murders on his hands.
I don’t like Haeger because he’s a gimmick (as Reg mentioned) and the gimmick doesn’t even work right anymore.
I think we can all agree that Haeger has been horrible
and I’m not going to make much of a case but SSS sure seems to be at play here. He made all of five starts. Was he any more horrible then McDonald was last year in four starts?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=mcdonja03&year=2009&t=p
I’d say no, but we fully expect to give McDonald another chance. I’d rather not give Haeger another chance if we don’t need to but any guy we put out in that spot, should have little expectation for success.
I'm in no mood to DFA Haeger
until they absolutely have no choice, and I would hope he finds his way in his rehab starts, but he has been really bad in 11 starts this season, in both the majors and minors.
I realize we should factor in that he has been nursing foot injuries and perhaps altered his mechanics, but here are his combined numbers in 2010:
51 innings
56 hits
48 runs (41 earned)
7 HR
42 walks
47 strikeouts
7.24 ERA
1.922 WHIP
He just has no idea where the ball is going right now. I’m OK with giving him rehab time to work things out, but I wouldn’t bend over backwards to get him anymore major league starts right now.
Those two good starts last season — with a .181 BABIP by the way — are looking more and more like an outlier with each passing start by Haeger.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. As Dennis Green would say (well, yell), “He is exactly who we thought he was.”
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
theres no exactly in that quote i'm pretty sure
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
He would have added one if he was talking about Ely.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the issue is that there’s a good case that Ely is a gimmick pitcher and once his gimmick got figured out he’s done. Remember that no righties outside of people near the end of their careers throws as slow as he does and find consistent success.
But he’s better than Monk, so he’s gonna have time to right the ship.
by regfairfield on Jun 17, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Does it really take professional teams with video and analysts that many starts to figure out the gimmick?
I think there’s a little more there maybe
Actually I thought
we found some comps like Shaun Marcum that gave some credence to the idea he could survive at the back end of a rotation.
by meercatjohn on Jun 17, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
True, forgot Marcum since he’s never healthy enough to show up on leader boards.
by regfairfield on Jun 17, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is why i was surprised he had so much success early on, and not just flukey success. His fastball is relatively straight, his curveball isnt that good, and the change is his only plus pitch. He just had impeccable command that he never really showed before. I’m skeptical if he can get back close to that and be a serviceable 4/5 in the future.
by UCLADodger32 on Jun 17, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Lovin’ it. My pops probably had a 40-inch vertical right now with both arms in lifted in the air and mouth open wide.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 17, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Does myspace count?
If you mean blogs. I would say 2004.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless you mean just the internet in general
I was probably in the 7th grade when AOL was all the rage. So that was 1996 as well.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember I used to try connecting using different numbers for different neighborhoods throughout the Valley, as though I would find some secret unknown dial in number. I used one in Burbank that worked better then the numbers in Northridge.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Nintendo Power!`
Sometime around 94 or 95 I think.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I got onto some kind of Delphi account in 1994. My first comment online ever, I believe, was “Nobody beats Vin Scully.”
I immediately got flamed.
Wow, what a link
Eric Smith is now my sworn enemy
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I got an AOL account back in 1994
At that time, just went there for email. I did have Compuserve at one time prior to that.
But yes, I was part of the modem generation.
Going to the UCSD library in 1994-1995 to use the internet was a chore.
I didn’t own a computer until my second year in college.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He is
I may have to take him out next time I am in the press box :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I could actually see that point of view
from someone who did not grow up with Vinny. At times he does everything Eric Smith accused him of. So what we think of as pure Vinny, an outsider may not find that style to his liking.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Smith can explain himself after he realizes his car has no working brakes.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
hard for your break to work when their 30 feet away from the fireball.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 17, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
have you ever wondered if there was someone named Stephen Eric?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I believe he would have an evil goatee
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
And if you find yourself with a goatee and your opposite does not, you then know who the evil one really is.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Because I can't even grow a decent goat
it would be really obvious in my case.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I shall grow the evil goat
to bad my white cat has passed on.
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I always thought the evil guy
should be petting a black cat.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Alas
all three of them have also passed away. The latest was Friday. Five in 15 months. My menagerie is almost normal.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The black cats
were all old (18 years) and had lived long lives. We raised two of them from the same litter and they were bookends, never were apart from each other for just about their whole lives so when one went we knew the other would follow quickly and he did.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Dang
That’s really too bad. At least they died of old age instead of something bad. My sister’s cat about 3 or 4 years ago got a really bad disease for cats and his immune system just died. It was the saddest thing watching him the last few days :(
I remember the other cats kind of huddled around him the night before we put him down. That was really cool.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I’m in Kershaw territory with facial hair, so I know for sure that I’m not the evil one. I’m not sure what the evil version of me would be like, but he’d sure look awesome with that goatee.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
At least you have age on your side
I’m 49 and can’t grow anything decent on my face, except the porn ’stache, which is now history.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You can grow the Jeff Kent?? Awesome
Lol.
My dad didn’t have to shave every day or every other day until he was in his mid 20s, so I’m still a while away from that.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
It's somewhere between the Adam Morrison and the Jeff Kent
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Speaking of awesome mustaches, I like the new Bradley Whitford show “The Good Guys” two episodes in. I have laughed enough to like it.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you guys see the Michael Jordan
commercial that John Stewart was making fun of?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
the Hitler stache one?
I haven’t seen the Jon Stewart clip
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
the Hitler one. Did he fire his publicist or is he simply unaware? I mean at some point that stache would come back if it had any fashon whatsoever but beyond the fact Hitler wore it, it was quite the pathetic stache.
Now Magnum had a stache.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I can’t see that commercial without immediately gravitating toward his stache.
Agreed on Tom Selleck.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Course it will start to grow
when it comes in grey and you have no more play
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Your beard is weird
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I find it funny
that he said he should have retired to “save his reputation”.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 17, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
By 1995, I mean at home on my computer
We were doing networked computing in school when I was a CS student in the early 80s. You haven’t lived until you’ve tried a 110 baud phone connection. We did have some limited ARPAnet (precursor to the internet) access; I remember watching a guy log into a Stanford computer through access. We also used e-mail to communicate with CS profs and from student to student, and could use that over the net as well.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Slowest I ever used was 2400 baud
for logging onto local BBSs. Few locals had USENet setups, but most of it was technical/political commentary, and at the time as a 10-12yo I couldn’t have cared less.
Started with Compuserve in the mid 80's - Probably 85 or 86
Went with Prodigy in the late 80’s. They actually went company to company doing sales pitches and about five of us at our company signed up. Has to be around late 80’s. And yes we used a 1200 baud modem to connect. I feel sorry for a generation that will never hear the high pitch of glory when the connection was made.
I graduated 8th grade in 99
Then we got AOL shortly after that, so about 2000, but pretty much I just used AIM. It wasn’t til college in ’04 when I found facebook, but I found the blogverse shortly before that
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Facebook started Feb of 04
I’m pretty sure my freshman year was the first full year of facebook for colleges. We lived through revolutionary times(for better or worse)
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
yeah
somehow I avoided getting sucked into myspace, but twitter got me pretty hard. I stumbled upon McCovey when I was in Berkeley, that’s how I found SBN
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That is a backwards way of getting to us
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
1994 for me
I didn’t have internet through high school, although a friend did (probably 1993 or so) so I would use his while at his house.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Kinda like Phil.
Started w/a 1200 baud modem to connect to work to deal w/software issues in 88. (Tough year; rolled a new software system into production on 10/1/88, and had tix for the WS that year. Man, I never got any sleep in October.) CompuServe account in ’89. Big access to web starting around ’92.
Great question.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't tell me your first laptop was a Kaypro or an Osborne?
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Yes, pricey buggers
and they didn’t do much.
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I had that.
My first computer was a 1985 Mac with 128KB of memory, with an external hard drive that boosted it to 512 KB.
Compaq “laptop”, which was the old IBM PC stuffed into a rather large metal shell covered with plastic.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
And correction…big web access was later; closer to mid ’90’s when Netscape went wild and our office opened up a port to the internet.
I remember doing network performance testing by downloading large graphical images from the web…
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I used to lug a 25 Osborne-1 Laptop
around. Ran CP/M. Five inch screen. I take that to classes when I do some computer history stuff and gets lots of laughs. I can’t for the life of remember how I got any work done on two floppy’s and no hard drive.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
CP/M !
The productivity expectations were much different then. At least as I can recall.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
This all only makes sense if they get a new TV contract. Fox Sports is low budget compared to ESPN/ABC and CBS; my God some games have been on Versus.
I would bet that the Pac XII (did you buy the website yet?) either already has an agreement in place with NBC for them to get back into College Football, Fox so they can actually show college football prior to the BCS games, or their own network ala the BigXNetwork.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Well the current contract is supposed to be up 2011
so the timing makes since
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
or sense
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jun 17, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
well
at least the dodger game was before game 7
no conflicts :)
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
The New York Times, by the way, is a minority owner of the Boston Red Sox.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems more like from what the article says, he might actually have really needed the drug. That’s what I glean anyway.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 17, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
No, it doesn't
He won’t go anywhere for a while.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
You might want to go back to the top of the comments and make your way down. There is no one else to replace him with, and considering he is the 5th starter I doubt they are going to boot him right away.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Who's going to replace him?
We’ve literally got no one else.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
He did have under a 2.00 ERA last year :D
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I didn't get to see the game
but was Ely’s ball up in the zone? That was his problem the last few times, and I just wonder if was the same. I know it was over the plate so let’s move past that.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 17, 2010 2:27 PM PDT reply actions
Up, up, and away …
And it sure looked like the Reds hitters knew what was coming …
by 68elcamino427 on Jun 17, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe they’re stealing signs like the phillies.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 17, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone here ever used or heard of Ontrac shipping?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Oh I’m sorry, I was just polishing my MVP trophy. How many MVPs do you know that can’t hit that pitch?
Apart from you?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
That and the Mauer one are seriously great
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Nope
Kevin Butler fool!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
(yes I know Kevin Butler is the character name)
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I like the Andrew Bailey/Nelson Cruz one a lot, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yze-QSwnhkU
Especially the end.
THIS IS MY BOOMSTICK
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
My favorite is the “I’m going to file this under ‘Not an Issue’” line.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
The Lakers have the momentum and home court
Lets go Lakers!
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Momentum hasn’t meant much in this whole series.
I think the Lakers will win, but more because:
a) home court
b) Perkins is out
c) they are better :)
All they have to do is play smart and keep pounding the ball inside and they will be good to go.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Are they better because
Perkins is out or simply because they are better?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I think they are better in general, but that tends not to matter as much when it comes to matchups. Without Perkins, the matchup scale tips more heavily to the LA side.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Boston already has the built in excuse
if the Lakers don’t win without Perkins they will no longer be able to use the 2008 Bynum excuse.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Nobody cares about excuses over time
the Bynum injury sucked, but the Lakers should have held a 24-point lead in Game 4 and they might have won.
Worthy in 1983, Isiah in 1988, Magic/Scott in 1989; it all washes away over time, and as they say “banners fly forever.”
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes in the long run they all wash away
but just the fact you can quote them from your memory means they have not completely washed away.
Then again I can’t tell you how impressed I was with your finals year by year breakdown off the top of your head.
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Those injuries fall under the Armando Galarraga / Jim Joyce “tough titties” section of being a sports fan. :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they are a better team anyway.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
After having watched six games
I really wish we had seen a LeBron matchup instead of a Celtic matchup. The games have not been very interesting.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Decent games, nothing special, but boy has the officiating been inconsistent. (Note, I personally think the Celtics have gotten more bad calls agains them so this isn’t a blame the refs note from a Lakers fan.) And what’s worse is that it appears to me a lot of the close calls are not getting any attention or replay from ABC. Which then allows all of the conspiracy theorists out there to point out how the NBA is fixed. I’d like to see a good game with both teams allowed to play tonight.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If the NBA is fixed, they’re about the worst fixers you could fine. Four NBA Finals Game 7s since 1984, none between the Lakers and a New York, Chicago or Boston team.
i’m not saying it’s fixed…i’m saying the officiating has been crappy.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Well we know they have been fixed
and a ref doesn’t care about what the NBA wants, only what would be good for himself. NBA refs are a pathetic lot and a good reason why my enjoyment of basketball is at an all time low.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Wait, earlier today you didn’t have a good feeling, and now you are asking about the parade??? :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you
just post the “We Win!” picture now?
I sure hope a bunch of idiots don’t start rioting again
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 17, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Wherever it is, the Lakers will pay for the cost of it
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
E3 is over
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
well no it ends tomorow doesn't it?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Are you a nerd who can tell me info from E3?
If so, awesome :) Any word on all things Assassin’s Creed?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Hah
Uh theres another one coming at the end of the year, con multiplayer.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
MGS games are a movie lol
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
also, no
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
True
But I want to see a damn film already!
by Julio Nievas on Jun 17, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
What was the main event?
I’m sure it was SC2… A game that I’ve been psyched since my freshman year of high school, only to be completely over it now.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 17, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
SC2 skipped e3
Blizzard does Blizzcon, they don’t deem to stoop to attend someone elses convention. the new 3d ds I think was the biggest happening, that and all th enew movement controls ie PS move and xbox Kinect.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
SC2 has a long way to go
for delayed gratification. See Duke Nukem Forever.
AC: Brotherhood
I heard at E3 they would say if there would be AC3 or not in 2010.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I can tell you that Brotherhood is all the assisan creed you will be getting this year
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
:(
Oh well, Ezio kicks ass, I just SERIOUSLY loved the story line for the first two games, and really want to see where they are going next and what’s gonna end up happening.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I'm thinking I'd like to see it all lead up to failure
and not being able to stop doomsday. The 3rd should be the last of the series anyway, besides spinoffs, so there’s no reason not to.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
This is going to be the best sporting day of my life
or the worst
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 17, 2010 3:34 PM PDT reply actions
Who died?
Do I constantly have to preach perspective, people???
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Waiting 4 years for another shot at football glory
And then knowing that it will be over in a few days. Yeah that would suck.
Or the women’s downhill skiier at the Olympics this year who fell out of the starting gate. I could have done that!
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
No Kelly...
Don’t remembered that please!!!!!!
The French commentators was hilarious!!!!
Colony Capital sucks... Paris est magique...
Given how
JoJo is such a mild mannered Dodger fan I think everyone should take a look at what he thinks of his French World Cup team after today’s loss in the World Cup thread.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Hey!!!! +100000
Thanks for that!!!!
You know I’m so sad to see how they played tonight!!!! So many years for this bullshit, i will blame the coach, the players, the Federation for blame for making fun of an entire country that expects them to be knocked down on each game!!!
Colony Capital sucks... Paris est magique...
My gut-punch losses.. Ugh I hate to revist these things, I already have a headache
Stair’s mammoth HR
Rollins’ gapper
The Vince Young game
The 13-9 game
Game 4, Lakers vs. Celtics
by Julio Nievas on Jun 17, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
My only problem with the Vince Young
game was that I broke the rules of karma and parlayed my other bets by taking USC and the over.
I knew rooting for USC was going to turn out badly for me.
How could the Lakers failing to win a championship result in the worst sporting day of your life?
I know its been a while since Laker fans have felt the glory of a championship and all….
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
More to the point
As Dodger fans and Laker fans, how could you possibly feel worse tonight then you felt when Jimmy Rollins squared up Broxton last year?
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I was crushed after the Rollins/Broxton tangle last year, but I think I would take a loss tonight just as hard.
It’s weird: last season, I felt very limited joy when the Lakers finally beat the Magic. it was a fun ride, but nowhere near the joy I expect to feel when the Dodgers win it all.
Tonight, however, I feel more fully invested, and expect a rush of emotion either way.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I can understand. The good news for me is that I could care less about the NBA (ducks)
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 17, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I nearly cried that night. The worst part was I was on a delayed video feed, so I heard Vin call it before I saw it. I was hoping he was wrong.
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 17, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Worst sporting of my life until the Lakers will win tonight!!!
Colony Capital sucks... Paris est magique...
Worst sporting day of my life was probably…Either last year with the Rollins double or the year before game 5.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Game 5 being the Furcal blooper reel?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I was thinking Casey Blake almost giving us the lead but he hit the ball to the deepest part of the park and it was an out :(
That may have been game 4, but I’m not sure.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I was vacationing in Mexico during 2008
Not bad really. I still got to watch the games, but when they lost I got over it quickly :)
Last year after the Rollins hit I was a wreck.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a strangely calm yet sad demeanor after the Stairs HR in 2008. I was at the game (and Jacob Burch still blames me!) and the air was just sucked out of the stadium when he crushed that ball.
I think I was able to find comic relief when, as we were walking out of the stadium, a fan imperfectly summed up the night by yelling in frustration, “Damn it, Kershaw!” It was just absurd enough to make it easier to take.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I was on the phone on my break at work with my cousin
then he goes “Wow, Stairs just hit the biggest homerun I’ve ever seen.”
I didn’t want to do shit the rest of the night.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Game 4 2008 NBA Finals hit me much harder than expected. Shook me up bad. I couldn’t get up for Game 5 or Game 6 because I knew it was over.
Game 4 NLCS 2008. Stairs was awful. Just awful. This is #1. Hurts still.
Game 4 NLCS 2009 Rollins put me in denial. Victory was right there and it was stolen. But, the pain was less than 2008. I still thought we had a chance to get it back to L.A and then the Dodgers were destroyed in Game 5.
Game 4 of the 2008 Finals was the worst in terms of rollercoastery emotion. Extreme high to an extreme low.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
2008 was a bad year
In terms of losing…
by Julio Nievas on Jun 17, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Game 5
Was that when we were eliminated at home with Chad pitching? I went to that game…it was horribly unexciting, and I was sitting with a group that I did not want to be with
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 17, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
We are talking about Lakers/Boston game 7 here
I wasn’t alive for the Gibson homer. . . Sure the Lakers won last year, but it was in 5 games and away from home.
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 17, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Not being alive should be all the more reason....
At least in my opinion. I was only 4, so I don’t count it either. Being to 3 championships in a row, winning a half dozen times the last decade, as opposed to watching the Dodgers lose in the NLCS last year. A team we’ve never seen win a title.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Were you alive for 88?
Or just way too young to know the significance?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I was 4. So a bit young. I do remember asking my grandmother the following year when the Mets were playing the Dodgers if it was a playoff game. So I had some sort of understanding I guess—-even if in my mind I thought the Mets and Dodgers only played each other in the playoffs.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
In that case
You also weren’t alive for the Bird/Magic showdowns in the 80’s, so it being Boston/LA shouldn’t be any more pressing of a reason for importance for you.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Two years ago was killer being a Laker fan
Sure I dont know of the 80’s, but I do remember 2008 and that Game 6. Boston winning the championship on LA’s homecourt would be just turrible. If the Dodgers lost that way in the World Series it would probably be the worst sporting event in my life but it was the NLCS.
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 17, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
FYI, i’m not trying to pass judgement on you (or anybody else who would take it hard.) Just trying to understand.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't work
I hated the Celtics for all the beatings they gave West/Baylor and I never saw any of those games. Nelson’s shot still makes my heart sink.
When Brooklyn beat the Yankee’s in 55 I still get goosebumps because I know what a road they traveled. I don’t think anyone has to live through the adversity to feel it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I gotcha
I still get goosebumps when they show the “Giants win the pennant clip.”
Mostly though because I had watched it several times with my grandfather who lived in Brooklyn as a Dodger fan and I could see in his face how much that upset him.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I get the same goosebumps watching Deliverance, thinking of my brother. :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This will be so hard
not to turn green. One of the greatest sibling jabs ever delivered on TBLA.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I wasn't alive in 1969
but I still get angry every time I see Don Nelson’s damn shot bouncing 8 feet up and somehow finding the hole.
It is similar to Bobby Thomson for me.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
A really bad day involved Reggie Jackson's fucking hip
but I don’t try to rank them on the “worseness” scale.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I think Jack Clarks home run
was my low moment as a Dodger fan because that was a team I felt could win the World Series.
As a Ram fan it was Joe Kapp jumping over Petibone.
As a Laker fan it was Magic’s retirement
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Phil: you’re scaring me today.
I’ve been trying to think of a worse moment than Clark’s HR and so far I can’t. And I was listening to that in my truck and not watching it on TV. I almost broke my dashboard I was so pissed.
I was never much of a Rams fan, so I’ll pass on that one.
Magic’s (first) retirement speech was a defining moment; even seeing that again in the Magic/Bird HBO documentary put a lump in my throat.
Football wise, I’ll have to go w/Vince Young running over USC in the Rose Bowl. Only needing to stop one player, but helpless to do so at all during the 2nd half. Extremely frustrating to watch.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of parades
If anyone wants to fill their quota of Disneyland commercials, Roy Firestone, 1980s music, KHJ, or Showtime, go here:
For the reccommended level of intensity tonight
I think back to the 1988 Finals Game 7, start of the second half. Byron Scott opened with a resounding dunk (about the 7 minute mark here, and continuation here) and the Lakers started the half 10 for 10.
I wonder if Derek Fisher will honor the Greek player by flopping as soon Rasheed enters the game.
by Tripon on Jun 17, 2010 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would like to thank Fisher in advance for hitting his first three three-pointers of the series tonight.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Bad days
Rams – 4th Quarter of Super Bowl 14
Dodgers – Reggie’s hip/Graig’s glove in 1978.
Lakers – 1984 Game 2 of the Finals as far as games.
LA Sports fan – Magic’s retirement. Also it was strange day back in 1994 during the OJ white Bronco drive (I thought the man was going to kill himself).
I never cared about that SuperBowl. Just making a game of it was all I could hope for. After all it was the Rams against the great Steelers. When McCutcheon threw the touchdown I must admit I had some hope but deep down I knew it would not happen. The Vince to Waddy play against the Cowboys is one of my cherished memories, I had gotten to the point where I didn’t think we’d ever get to a Super Bowl. If you now tell me it wasn’t Waddy or the Cowboys, I’ll hang my head in shame.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
People will tell me that it wasn't Russel's fault
but I’ve never forgiven him.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
On a lighter note:
This Pedro Guerrero story never gets old.
http://rockinsteady.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/from-the-department-of-horrible-omissions/
I don’t want to be around if that somehow becomes unfunny
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Still one of my all time favorites.
Along w/naked Tommy turning his hips in the shower.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Extremely important stat: Rasheed Wallace is 0-1 in Game 7s at the Staples Center
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Anybody going? A co-worker in our Ann Arbor asked me if I was going to participate in the riots. Hilarious, after what Detroit used to do when they had decent sports teams.
But i think I’ll just go into the next block and torch a car or something after the game.
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
How NSFW?
And what is Erin Andrews doing?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Her tan is deep enough to get pulled over in Arizona
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My bad days
2009: Broxton VS. Rollins
2008: Broxton VS Stairs and Game 5 NLCS
2007: Packers VS Giants: Their kicker misses a 20 something yard field goal then hits the 40 something yarder a little bit later…I thought it was destiny for a Packers-Patriots SB…My hate for Eli Manning started that day
2006: Drew and Kent out at home plate against the Mets.
For truly bad games/plays/days, I don’t really recall a lot more than just little things that pissed me off at the time.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
heres mine
2003 western conference semifinals game 6 (lakers vs spurs)
the entire 2004 nba finals
game 4 of the 2008 finals
game 6 of the 2008 finals
game 4 of the 2008/ 2009 NLCS
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Heres mine...
2006 WC Finals
2002 1st round (we were the favorites because we won The Euro 2000 and the 1998 WC)
2009: Broxton vs Rollins
2008: Broxton vs Stairs
November 2009: The Thierry Henry’s hand against Ireland…
2004: Milton Bradley when a threw a bottle into the stands
March 2010: Paris Saint Germain lose 3-0 against the old rival Olympique Marseille (I will compare as Dodgers vs Giants)
March 2010: France lose 2-0 against Spain, the worst friendly match I’ve ever seen…
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oh damn
I should have included game 6 of the Lakers vs suns series in 2006….
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
You were bummed by Milton Bradley throwing a plastic bottle
at the ground and just happened to land in the stands? That one stands out like a sore thumb.
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I was shocked when he did that...
I didn’t know anything about Bradley’s attitude issue until this time…
P.S.: Hey, the hot actress is back on my avatar picture!!!! :D
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That's on mine too
Becaue I know the Cilppers would have beaten the Lakers in the next round.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
an all staples series would have been awesome
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
stupid tim thomas
and Kwame Brown too for biting on the pump fake.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
As a Clipper fan
I’m more upset about 2006 in hindsight. At the time, I obviously didn’t think the next few years would go down as they did. The Clippers were an up and coming team. Kaman had won the starting job and looked legit, Brand had turned a corner and Livingston looked to be the franchise PG. Even though LAC only missed the playoffs by 1 game the next year (and I still maintain they would have beaten 1 seeded Dallas also) Brand had returned to form, Kaman had a dreadful year (he’s played better every year since) and Livingstons knee was damaged permanently. Brand blew out his achilles the next year and it was all over.
And in 2006, I never expected San Antonio to lose to Dallas. The Clippers had no chance against San Antonion but might have been able to steal the series from Dallas. Combine that with the fact that Miami- probably the worst NBA Champion in 25 years – won the title and in hindsight the 2006 result really stings.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
As a Clipper fan
I’ve seen all the great ones go down from Smith to Marcus Johnson to Manning to Harper to Livingston to Brand but none bothered me as much as seeing Livingstons promising career end. I had really bought into the idea he was going to be a the franchise and after watching what he did against the Suns in the playoffs I was even more into that idea.
So when Blake Griffin missed a year, I didn’t bat an eye. When he gets hurt again this year, I won’t bat an eye.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
As a Clipper non-fan
I wonder how any Clipper fan can actually be convinced enough that somethings about to right, to be disappointed when it doesn’t.
Plenty
we get sucked in every year. In 2006 you should have seen us.
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Did you not have TV or radio before 5 years ago?
by KellyStephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
we youngins
Don’t have much else worse thats happened I imagine.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
5 years ago I was 15 years old and had only been watching football for a couple years, didn’t watch basketball, and the Dodgers hadn’t made the playoffs more than once since the mid 90s except for 2004, and there weren’t any horrible games in that series, just a whooping.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
2006: Drew and Kent out at home plate against the Mets.
Time to get the brain bleach back out, I had buried that one far for down.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Can you believe I'd forgotten that
I think Loney’s grand slam erased it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
mmmm sweet sweet grand slam
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Stupid LoDucca :(
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Can’t believe the Marty McSorley stick curve game is missing from these lists.
by regfairfield on Jun 17, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
God, I forgot about that
I thought that move was such bullshit at the time. i was pretty young for that one too but I was a huge hockey fan back then.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too, I was a huge hockey fan growing up, and that’s probably what made me barely care until this year.
Well that and the Kings being bad for 15 years in a row.
by regfairfield on Jun 17, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That was the first year I followed hockey (thanks to The Great One) and I was bummed out at that game.
But my hockey interest really went away quickly.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't tell you who the hell is that, lol.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
If this was already posted I apologize
If not what the fuck
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/5297052/ce/us/south-african-man-killed-wife-kids-changing-tv-germany-australia-game&cc=5901?ver=us
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 17, 2010 4:20 PM PDT reply actions
OMG...
That’s weird… I’m big soccer fan but I wouldn’t be violent against my girlfriend if she wants to see something else…
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Of course you wouldn't
That’s not being a soccer fan, its being a sociopath
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought soccer fans were sociopaths
which is why we created a separate thread for you hooligans.
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It was the guy
who got killed for wanting to watch soccer!
Okay that was much much different then what I expected to read
they beat a 68 year old man to death because they wanted to watch Gospel. Is that Ironic?
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Wow, fuck those people
I can’t even fathom why this even happened.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I think a lot of this does have to do with when you first started watching sports
The Broxton games, while disappointing, just did not stick with me like the earlier games.
It's funny
I think I’m feeling the demise of the Dodger Thoughts community most acutely with this thread.
I'm surprised demised as a real word
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Just because I used it does not make it a real word
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I looked it up
It was listed as the verb for for demise
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Well, I guess I miss being the host
I mean, this has been a heck of a fun thread, and the game hasn’t even started. This has been like a tailgate party.
It is threads like this
that make me end up working more hours because I didn’t get jack done during the day.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
You should jump ship to TBLA as a writer :P
Jk.
I really need to go over to DT more often, I always want to be never remember to, I really enjoy your writing.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Now that I’m getting paid, I can’t give up the money. But I’ll be a free agent in 2012 if anyone wants to bid.
So what you're saying is
that TBLA needs to start making bank so we can outbid ESPN in two years? Eric, Phil… get on this!
Will you be available at the Blog/Website trade deadline this or next year? :)
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
If there's good pay of course.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
They would be the Yankees, wouldn't they, lol
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
LOS ANGELES — Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo sported an oversized bandage on his gashed chin during Wednesday’s media session at the Staples Center, but it couldn’t cover up his frustration after absorbing an elbow from Ron Artest in the third quarter of Tuesday’s Game 6 loss.
“Just a little cut, a little gash,” said Rondo, who was then asked how many stitches it required to close and sounded off on the lack of a call. “Seventeen. Seventeen. No foul; just one of the many, many missed fouls.”
After Tuesday’s game, Rondo said he needed only four stitches to close the gash and the Celtics confirmed Wednesday night that’s all he received.
I do have a hard time rooting for the Lakers with Artest
but it is equally offset by having Rasheed Wallace and Nate Robinson on the Celtics.
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I'm sure Tripon will be shocked to hear this
But I used to be a Rasheed Wallace fan
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Rasheed Wallace for two things:
1) having a urinal in his bathroom at home (saw on MTV Cribs)
2) wearing the championship belt in 2005 (as mad as I was in 2004, that was cool)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
The way Wallace played for most of the year for Boston
and now being called upon to have a good game to win the title, I was trying to come up with a similar situation for the Dodgers.
Generally that begins with a maligned pinch-hitter hitting a series walk-off home run or Guillermo Mota reappearing at the last second to strike out A-Rod.
GA like Sheed has a former glory
Both were fairly good players in their prime.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you read or hear what Boston fans
were saying about Sheed all year. This has got to be killing Simmons.
I read Simmons article
which was hilarious.
Sheed is a frustrating dude. He’s always had the talent.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
GA was never seen a guy with HoF talent but failing to leave up to it because of character make up.
I think a closer example would be if Yunieski Bentencourt had to hit a homer in order to tie up the score in game 7 of the world series.
And has to guard Bynum, Odom, and Gasol. Which uh, he can’t. The Celtics can’t count on him, but have too.
I still have visions of him hitting
some key three’s for them in this game.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Watching it I didn't think
it was a foul, but I also think that Artest might have left his arms up a little longer than normal in anticipation of where Rondo was heading…entirely inadvertently of course.
It has been 22 years
But something tells me I may have to go buy a Coors Tall Can and 5 piece KFC dinner and watch this game by myself somewhere.
I can hear Eric
now.
Shot goes up
Eric – grab the &)(&(&(&(&( rebound
shot goes up
Eric – I said get that )()(&)(*&_)&) rebound
KG flops
Eric – He’s a (U)(U)(&(&)*&)* flopper!!!
I won’t be home during the game so I might not be around, but I will be sure to check in whenever possible.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
i saw that in person
on Sunday.
He was calm but disturbed.
Phil on the other hand had no doubt we’d have a Game 7.
“Calm but disturbed” is a title of a chapter of my book
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
even with everything they have added to the menu the only thing I eat is original. It is a luxury I give myself once a month, and I think tonight would be a good night to use up my quota.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I tried a Double Down two weeks ago, just to try it. It was good, but about halfway through I was convinced I may never eat again.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s about as possible as eating more than 4 saltine crackers without water
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I enjoy them. It’s great for people who are trying to avoid carbs.
by Michael White on Jun 17, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Drop a few pounds, call KFC, and become famous as “the Double Down Diet Guy”
by regfairfield on Jun 17, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d be curious to see a Super Size Me doc where the person has to eat nothing but Double Downs for 30 days. Breakfast, lunch, dinner.
Other than shooting his sodium through the roof, he’d be fine as long he supplemented with vitamins. Double Downs, especially grilled ones, aren’t terrible for you.
by regfairfield on Jun 17, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh now we are moving to chicken
Pollos El Brasero
The chicken at Versailles
I like the chicken and El Polla Inka
I love Versailles
do you go to the one near you often?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Oh, I love me some Versailles, but i think I found a better place. Not Cuban food (Mexican and Salvadorian), but just a little bit down the street from the Venice location is a place called Gloria’s cafe. It just got some pub on Diners, Drive Ins and dives, and its just freaking amazing.
by UCLADodger32 on Jun 17, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
EL POLLO LOCO
is better, but tonight it will be KFC because Craig already put the image in my brain.
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Love KFC...
There a lot of KFC in France!!! ^^
I would say: “Thank you”…
Phil, look my avatar picture!!!
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I see in Paris
McDonalds, KFC, Starbucks too…
I’m angry that Burger King was disappeared… It was so good…
Colony Capital sucks... Paris est magique...
Burgar King is probably my favorite
of the big chain burger joints. Mind you, I should clarify I don’t count In-N-Out as a big burger joint, its just in a class of its own.
I only classify them by their commercials
Jack is tops but he has been missing lately
Burger King is dead last
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Royale with Cheese. I have a picture of the menu somewhere from when I was in Paris a few months ago.
It helped when we needed a public bathroom
and those awesome public chrome cans were not around.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
nice
our female comedians are not nearly so attractive. Though I must say Sarah Silverman stirs up something.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I expect this comment to draw tremendous ire and could possibly be a lightning rod.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Sarah Silverman at times looks good, and at times looks bad; I think she falls into “hot ugly.”
She just struck me as someone not many people find attractive.
She is hilarious though.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
My inspiration
http://www.dailypress.com/news/newsletter/dp-top10.femalecomedians.pg.0211,0,4283064.photogallery
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Oh wait
I thought this would be a “Top 10 hottest female comedians” list. My bad.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 17, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That Phyllis Diller, she really does it for me.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That was to prove the 1st part of my comment
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Wow, apparently theres been some real suck female comedians
Margaret Cho is alright, but one of the top ten of all time?
One of the more unconventional comedians we have
sometimes she hits, sometimes she misses, but she never plays it safe.
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I will counter with another french cutie...
Elise Chassaing…
Ok she’s not famous as my avatar lol
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She's not an actress!!!! She's a journalist!!!
Sorry!!!!
I would search another french funny actress!!!
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Still a valid question
I know lots of female journalists who I’d consider funny… mostly because they’re horrible hacks who get by on being hot. Sorta like Danica Patrick.
Ok so i could several cutie female journalist... I have a very good list...
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Sarah Silverman
was a comedian I so wanted to like, partially because she is hot. I’ve tried. Several times. Mostly I just want to kick someone after watching her.
I saw her a few times...
Sometimes she’s cute, sometimes she’s ugly but she is hilarious…
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France has a lot of cool markets
where they sell lots of frozen food. And not frozen burritos but really interesting things.
You can't deny their flour tortillas
You just can’t.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 17, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
This how Kobe is warming up for game 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4cXZGkRMCY
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
That jacket is badass. Pistol Pete!!!
Is that Nate in the background? :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay - Go Lakers
don’t rip up TBLA if they lose
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Idk, there may be some 90s style LA rioting going on if they lose
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
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