New York Yankee Preview
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 8:24 AM PDT
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PrintThey spent most of the first half of the year playing catchup with the Rays but that task is over, now they just need to hold off the hot Red Sox, and the fading Rays. The bombers have the best team in baseball, in the best division in baseball. They have experience and youth, pitching and hitting (wOBA .355), and defense. They are the most interesting team in baseball.
Some of that is not true. The reality is that the Yankee's are winning with offense. The pitching is average, and the defense average. Robinson Cano has gone crazy, and is making up for the weak start of Teixeira. We are going to face two above average pitchers, one who is hitting his previous Cy Young stride in June, while the other is having one of the better age 38 years in Yankee history. The scariest part of the Yankee offense is that Jeter, Arod, and Teixeira have yet to get going. Even when Cano slows down, you can expect those three to more then make up for it.
The record is 45 - 27
Scored 395 runs, Allowed 293 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 46-26
On the DL - Nick Johnson
Old Friend - Chan Ho Park
Position Breakdown
1st Base- Mark Teixeira, stud, slow start, will bang with the best when he gets going, and he is heating up. Watch out.
2nd Base-Robinson Cano, MVP candidate, does best work in 2nd half. Watch out.
SS- Derek Jeter, future HOF, one of the 10 best shortstops to ever play the game. Mediocre start to the season.
3rd Base- Alex Rodriguez, future HOF, one of the five best shortstops to ever play the game. Compared to his normal MVP type numbers, very mediocre start to the season.
C- Jorge Posada, one of the best hitting catchers in the history of the game, might end up actually having a HOF case. However with Nick Johnson out, Posada is the DH a good % of the time. Some dude named Francisco Cervelli is the catcher when Posada is the DH. Since they don't get the DH, Posada will probably catch all three games. .
CF - Curtis Granderson is replicating his 2009 season, so I'd say he's been a disappointment.
RF - Nick Swisher is having his best year at age 29. I think we can officially call that trade a huge win for the Yankees. His BABIP of .350 is way above his career average of .282 so that should normalize but by the time it does we will be done with them.
LF - Brett Gardner is the 2nd biggest surprise on this team. Sure his .322 average is being helped by his .368 BABIP but his .OBP of .402 is the result of an 11% walk rate.
Bench - Good thing the regulars rarely get hurt because the bench is thin. Marcus Thames might see some at bats. Randy Winn was cut loose. Ramiro Pena, Kevin Russo fill it out.
Starting Pitching for our Series:
Game 1- CC Sabathia gets the nodd against Padilla. While CC is not having a CY Young season he has been the Yankee's best starter in the month of June. He heats up when the heat heats up, and will probably make mincemeat out of our lineup just like he did the last time he pitched here. 10 K's, one walk in 7 innings, but no decision.
Game 2 - A.J. Burnett is not very good, this is the game we need to win. His high 4.83 ERA is right in line with his FIP of 4.97. If he goes Pineiro on us, I'm giving up the season.
Game 3- Phil Hughes against Kershaw is a marquee match-up of two of the best young pitchers in the game. Hughes leads the best team in baseball in pitching with a 3.27 FIP. Andy Pettite gets the call for the final game as one of the best veteran left handers in the business goes against one of the best young left handers in the game. Pettite is having a solid year in his age 38 year. He leads the starters in ERA at 2.48, and ERA+ of 165.
Bullpen- Best closer in the history of baseball. Joba Chamberlain is not a weak link even if the ERA is 5.00 as he has a huge split between ERA of 5.17 and FIP of 2.25. That 2.17 x-FIP is the best on the team. David Robertson is not doing what he did last year but he is still a solid setup man, and has been the best man out of the bullpen in June. Gaudin is the long man, if we see him we did our job with the bats. Marte and Logan will be used to neutralize Andre.
We lost five of six to the AAAA Angel Lineup, so I expect we will sweep the best team in baseball to even things up. Not because we are any good, simply because baseball is only here to confound and confuse us.
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It is starting to occur to me that the Yankees are a better team then the Dodgers.
Right now a lot of teams are better then the Dodgers
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
They have weaknesses though
Bench is weaker than ours, bullpen has been erratic to say the least. Not all their starting pitchers are unbeatable. Obviously their lineup is dangerous when playing to their potential. They are favorites in this series but I ain’t quaking in my boots yet either and presumably the Dodgers aren’t either. Hope it’s a good one at any rate.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Ha Ha
just about every single player is better then ours but they have a weak bench. That works.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Whatever Phil.
Nothing in my comment above said they are not a superior team. Just trying to give reasons that the Dodgers have a shot to win a couple of games here.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Position by position
Whatever Kemp’s erratic play in the outfield, Kemp vs Curtis Granderson, who do you take? Brett Gardner has been surprisingly decent as you say, and we’d take his D over Manny’s but in the lineup who would you rather have hitting? Ethier vs Swisher is interesting comparison but I know which one I’d rather have hitting all the same. Catcher’s a little hard to judge right now, given Posada DHing, normally I’d take him over Martin but I’d take Martin over Cervelli. 3b is an obvious win for the Yanks. SS they have a HOFer- but I’m not too ashamed to run Rafael Furcal out there. 1st and 2nd are obvious wins for the Yanks too (though Tex was off to a slow start and Loney is not a bad 2nd place). Starters they have some good ones but I wouldn’t consider Pettite and Burnett unbeatable. We have Kershaw going at home Sunday. Yah CC vs Padilla scares me, will it be good Padilla or bad Padilla? But as you said who the hell knows what will happen, we won a game Haeger started last night.
There, I showed my work in the margins of this paper, do I get a half point extra credit and can leave class a little early this morning? ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I said we'd sweep what is the problem
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I was just responding to your ha ha comment, not your prediction
(Though a sweep either way would surprise me.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
is Andy P. pitching Sunday or is it Phil H.
Didn’t Joe G. say that they where going to skip Phil H. start this weekend
by Dodgermanramon on Jun 25, 2010 8:37 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
oldy but goody by chan ho park
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GIEHPGj9sI
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
over / under is 1,000,000
I’m taking the over
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I fully expect the ESPN game will have three innings devoted to Paul O’neill talking about Torre and the Yankees.
wonder who’s name Jon Miller will misprounouce in that one.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 25, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I was gonna say David Wells but that works
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I was talking to BH last night, and I wondered if Paul O’Neill was in town. If Torre saw O’Neill and Ethier in the same room, his head might explode.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 25, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
THERE ARE TWO OF THEM!!!!! ARRRRRRGHHHH!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 25, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
the first rule of setting an over/under!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 25, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
First thing I heard on the radio this morning
was some guys going on and on about how Mattingly and Torre will want to stick it to the yankees. W/e.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I did an interview with SNY just now; it was very brief (~5 minutes), but I should have a link to the audio/video (I was via phone) later today.
It was a super short interview; didn’t hit a ton of talking points. I talked about…
Torre’s rep for bullpen management (brought up Troncoso)
Manny’s hot this month
Injuries, ineffectiveness at the #5 spot
Ely coming in as the 8th or 9th starter, a solid #4, now #5 with Bills back
Padilla was decent peripherals but 7 HR in 27 innings
Kuroda and Kershaw have been two best pitchers
by Eric Stephen on Jun 25, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t wait for the game to start I want to leave for the game now. I’m ready for the Dodgers to kick some ass
by Dodgermanramon on Jun 25, 2010 8:52 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Padilla will outpitch CC tonight.
Only thing I’m worried about is CC at the bat: .333/.333/1.333 career at Dodger Stadium :)
I was there in person for that bomb; he absolutely crushed a ball into the back of the NYY bullpen in RF. That day was ridiculously hot.
You are correct. But CC hit it so hard it traveled to the NYY bullpen :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 25, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I will take that bet
CC is on fire in June averaging over 7 innings per start. The last time we scored over 10 runs we lost six of the next seven. Not only will CC outpitch Padilla but CC will outhit Kemp. Even when they don’t have the DH they have a huge advantage with CC in the lineup.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Vin Scully on celebrating
The Yankees have not played the Dodgers in October since 1981, the most recent of the teams’ 11 World Series meetings. The Dodgers clinched that championship in the Bronx, but the team flew home immediately. Scully and his wife stayed behind, retreating to the Carlyle, where they were staying and where George Steinbrenner had a suite.
"I went into the bar and I said to the bartender, ‘Could I buy a bottle of Champagne?’ " Scully said. "So the bartender, looking around, said, ‘Yeah, I’d be happy to do it, as long as Mr. Steinbrenner doesn’t see me helping you celebrate.’ So we went up and ordered potato chips and a glass of Champagne. That was our celebration."
Potato chips and champagne. Awesome.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 25, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to open a can of worms, but it was always my understanding that Scully was neutral in fandom. I’m sure he was happy for the team, but it sounds a bit strange that he was openly celebrating.
Probably also celebrating the end of the season to be with his wife, too
by Eric Stephen on Jun 25, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
“we went up” – I took that to mean to their room, so how “openly” was it?
The neutrality is in his broadcasting style, not necessarily how he feels internally.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Plus
he stayed back in NY while the team went back to LA
by Eric Stephen on Jun 25, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
For me, this is what makes listening to him so good.
He controls his excitement like Ely pitches from the mound: very carefully. So when he allows his excitement to come through, it’s special.
and on celebrating in 1955
Walter O’Malley, the owner, took the Dodgers’ executives and Scully to the Lexington Hotel, where they rested before the victory party at the Hotel Bossert in Brooklyn. Scully picked up his date — Joan Ganz, who would one day create "Sesame Street" — for an unforgettable drive.
"In Manhattan, it was the fall and football was in the air, two hours after the baseball game," Scully said. "We drove through the tunnel — I don’t know if we went through the Lincoln or the Battery tunnel — and it was like V-J Day and V-E Day all rolled into one in Brooklyn. They were dancing in the streets. It was just one monumental block party."
Scully continued: "And when we got near the Bossert hotel, the streets were lined with people. They had sawhorses to restrain them — although the people were very good, they weren’t about to do anything — but they took our cars about a block from the hotel, and we had to walk down the street into the hotel, like you were in a parade, with people cheering. We walked down the street together into the Bossert hotel where all hell was breaking loose, and that was amazing."
1. I want a Dodger parade here in LA.
2. Joan Ganz [Cooney], co-founder of Children’s Television Workshop dated Vin, who knew? As much as Vin dotes on kids during a broadcast, how did these two not end up together?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Scully and Ganz perhaps differed on our game thread conversation last night, and it was a relationship deal breaker :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 25, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Is Mariano Rivera ever going to start acting his age?
He is so immature! He pitches like he’s still 25 years old!
I find it interesting
How older guys lose their velocity yet Rivera is still throwing gas..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 25, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
He is pretty amazing.
His fastball and cutter are only slightly off of his career velocities.
Fastball
2010: 92.0
Career average: 93.3
Cutter
2010: 91.1
Career average: 92.4
While Lambo is back
Prentice Redman goes away. Per Dylan H:
Dodgers minor league OF Prentice Redman has been suspended for 50 games for testing positive for an amphetamine.
Could clear up the jogjam in AA though
Now they can promote one of those guys to AAA.
by Michael White on Jun 25, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Jerry Sands ;-)
Okay, I guess Van Slyke
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
If Prentice Redman was the reason
someone was being blocked at AA then DeJon Watson is doing a poor job. He was simply a place holder and he won’t play again for the Isotopes.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed
(btw props to Eric for his Method Man joke on twitter)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I wonder if he was ever pressured to change his last name to Redstorm?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
didnt know this dude was 30
cant really be upset about it..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 25, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
There are 72 remaining games for the Isotopes
So if/when he returns it’s only for the final 22 games.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Things I want to see this series
Mariano Rivera vs. Andre Ethier
Jonathan Broxton and/or Hong Chih-Kuo vs. Alex Rodriguez and/or Derek Jeter
Clayton Kershaw vs. The Yankees
Derek Jeter’s jump throw but doesn’t get the runner
A Dodger sweep though 2 outta 3 ain’t bad
Much rather see Manny VS. Rivera with how Ethier and Manny are hitting.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
?
Ethier’s hitting the ball hard a lot lately.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
About as long as Kemp has been hitting hard, maybe a little longer.
Either way Manny is hitting much better than anyone else on the team, so I’d rather see Manny VS. Rivera.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Well, I think Alex’s point is about the excitement and drama, not necessarily how any situation will work out.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
On the DL – Nick Johnson
Shocked, shocked I am!
Wonder if he’s making this trip to see Uncle Larry.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Shame he's so brittle
quite the offensive player when healthy.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
hah
thats like saying paint chips are so delicious were they not so deadly
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 25, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Except paint chips aren't delicious
so no, I don’t think it is the same thing.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
replace paint chips
with crazy girls with daddy issues.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
As Eric says on twitter, "at his lowest value?"
RosenFAIL rekindling the “Trade Kemp” perspective.
But here’s one issue that no one talks about:Wrong Ken, lots of blogs discuss this frequently.
Kemp, Billingsley, right fielder Andre Ethier, catcher Russell Martin and first baseman James Loney all are eligible for free agency after the 2012 season.
This is as concrete as his suggestions get. They don’t seem well thought out and even far-fetched perhaps.
Colletti could dangle Kemp to the Braves, who are deep in young pitching, in need of a right-handed hitting outfielder and in position to exchange a center fielder, Melky Cabrera, who played for Dodgers manager Joe Torre in New York.
Colletti even could make Kemp part of a larger deal with the Mariners in which the Dodgers would get prospects in addition to two or three months of Lee, then combine those prospects with their own to acquire the Royals’ David DeJesus or another center fielder.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I’m as disappointed by Kemp’s play as anyone, but the idea that trading him for Melky Cabrera or David DeJesus would solve all the Dodgers’ problems is insane. I urge Rosenthal to commit himself to the psychiatric hospital in Yspilanti, Michigan. They have good doctors there that can help him.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 25, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
So since every one of our players is going to be a free agent in 2012, we should exchange them for a guy who’s going to be a free agent in 2012, but sucks?
by regfairfield on Jun 25, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the suggestion
is supposed to be Kemp for Cabrera and a starting pitcher. Still seems wrong to me.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Braves don’t have any pitcher’s that really excite me. Kemp is the kind of guy you trade for an Ace. like Bonafide Cy Young contender type guy.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 25, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Tommy Hanson? There’s no way they’d do it, but dude is great.
by regfairfield on Jun 25, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
they could still do better for Kemp
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 25, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think you appreciate how good Tommy Hanson is. I wouldn’t trade five years of Hanson for three years of Kemp.
by regfairfield on Jun 25, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Your dreaming
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I own a Kemp jersey
and I’d probably deal Kemp for Hanson straight-up.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus, trading one player to get two
doesn’t strike me as stretch-drive deal for a contender. You don’t trade a good player for two lesser players at the deadline, do you?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Losing Melky is like us losing Ramon Ortiz
an addition.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I would consider trading Kemp for Julio Teheran and Arodys Vizcaino.
by silverwidow on Jun 25, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
especially considering that Kemp, even despite all his problems, is still a chip that could probably get the Dodger just about any player they wanted.
and “Looking like a classic change-of-scenery guy”? The guy has had a bad half a year!! What is it about the Dodgers that when a player struggles for a bit, we have to start looking at trading them? That’s just stupid.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 25, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The big problem with this article: yes, the Dodgers’ core is going to break apart after 2012. So the Dodgers are going to have to decide which of them to keep and which of them to let go.
Rosenthal is suggesting letting go, two years early, on the one that has the potential to be the best of them all, a perennial all-star, so they can keep the below-average 1B, the decline-upon-declining catcher, and the streaky right fielder with terrible defense. And let’s do it at the moment when the one with the potential to be the best of them is at his lowest value.
I’m not the kind of guy to say “fuck that in the heart,” but fuck that in the heart.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 25, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
The article really is ripe for fisking
but isn’t most of Rosenthal’s stuff?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
what really burns
is I can just see him in my mind saying it with that smug smirk on this face and his condescending tone.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 25, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep.
In fact, I bet I could make a better case that, right now, the Dodgers should be considering signing Kemp to a long-term deal that would cover his first years of free agency.
I might be wrong, and I might come to regret that deal. It’s probably best to bide their time right now. But given the (admittedly false) choice between locking up Kemp and trading him away at the deadline, I know which way I’d go.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 25, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Rosenthal may be off base but the idea of trading Kemp is probably not. I’d be very open to trading him for the right package.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The reason you'd be open to it
Is the reason why this is the absolute worst time to shop him
by Michael White on Jun 25, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Right. Even those of us that love Kemp would be open to trading him for the right package.
That package is not available for Kemp right now, because he’s been playing poorly.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 25, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
That may or may not be true
some GM might have a hard on for him.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, well, sure. If I’m the GM, I’d be polite to anyone that called asking about Kemp. If I’m the GM, any player, Kemp and Kershaw included, is available in the right trade.
But that’s not what Rosenthal is saying. He is talking about actively shopping Kemp, and for players that the Dodgers shouldn’t want.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 25, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
That's how I feel too
There really is no such thing as an untouchable prospect.
by Michael White on Jun 25, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Kershaw would only be not-untouchable
If Albert Pujols, Hanley Ramirez, Evan Longoria, or Ryan Braun were offered.
Otherwise he is most definitely untouchable.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Five-way trade
Pujols, Ramirez, Longoria, and Braun for Kershaw. Done! Where do I sign.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 25, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd have no problem with DeJesus playing
LF for the Dodgers. He’s an above average Left Fielder, and a solid hitter. Not a star but he does many things well. I’m sure he has an overall value higher then Manny in 2010.
I’d also have no problem with Cliff Lee on this team.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
But in July 2010
Does Kemp and prospects for Lee and DeJesus make sense? Can DeJesus play CF well enough? (Not that Kemp has been.)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
No
but Humma said
and for players that the Dodgers shouldn’t want.and that part I don’t agree with.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldnt' sell him cheap
I’d want top dollar, just saying I would not be adverse to it, if the right package came calling. If Kemp is not a center fielder and every game he’s proves that more and more then he’s just another outfielder with some power. Those are not so special.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
You know how you get mad about people hating on Loney
You are hating on Kemp just as bad after a (granted really bad) bad stretch of about a month and a half or so.
Kemp deserves more than the disdain you’ve showed for him.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Hating?
Do the rest of you think I’m hating on Kemp?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No
I think we all have to be disappointed with a good deal of his play this year.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe not to that degree, but you are dumping all over Kemp recently, and more than just “damn Kemp’s slumping bad and sucks right now.” You seem like you’re ready to just get rid of the guy.
Prediction: Kemp ends up with at least .030 more points in OPS than Loney this year.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
At least we know now what it was like for the Diamondback fans
to watch Chris Young backslide from his enormous gifts.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The MAXIMUM for each of Young’s TSL numbers before 2010 is .248 / .315 / .467, with the SLG from a different year than the other two. Kemp’s never had a season (ignoring 2006), even this year, with a lower BA or OBP, and his lowest SLG is .459. Young has backslid from the potential of his tools, Kemp has backslid from actual production. Of course, that may be harder to take.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
True
but Kemp has also never approached the home run numbers Young put up in his very first season. The expectations following his rookie season were very high based on his minor league pedigree, his rookie season, and his age. I’d say what Diamondback fans in 2008 felt is close to what we are feeling now.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Close
but maybe we should feel worse. We had expectations based on a major-league season with the Gold Glove / Silver Slugger exacta and instead we get a 110 OPS+ and poor defense.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
True
but we knew the gold glove defense was a mirage. He was a highlight film but we also knew he was not a gold glove cf.
Plus we could all live with the 110 OPS+. The problem is how much that OPS+ is still propped up by his hot start. For two months he’s been crap with only the past week showing any signs of life whatsoever.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
When we are talking about Kemp and Ethier hitting better lately, that is true. Over the past three games, both have hit well.
I hope it continues.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 25, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
For me
your point about hitting gives me hope. It only takes some heating up to turn it back around. As for the fielding, we also knew that he improved on D in 2009, and we hoped for continued improvement, or at least sustaining that level.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
And this couldn't be home breaking out of the slump?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
You honestly act like Kemp is done. With you as the biggest Loney supporter in here I wonder why?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I think you are picking a fight over something that doesn’t exist. Elsewhere here, Phil wrote:
If Kemp is not a center fielder and every game he’s proves that more and more then he’s just another outfielder with some power. Those are not so special.“If”. Not done, “another outfielder with some power”, e.g., a 20-25 HR guy, 115 OPS+ or so.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I'm just annoyed that he's one of Kemp's biggest non-supporters
Yes he’s saying if, but he’s saying if as more of a it will probably happen than it likely will not happen from what it looks like to me. 2007-2010 Kemp has been one of the 3 best hitters on this team, so I’m not going to let a bad slump, like a couple we’ve seen from Ethier, make me think Kemp really isn’t that good of a hitter. Defensively I’m a bit worried, but offensively I’m not worried long term.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Kemp is beginnig to hit the ball with authority again
He is staying more on balance, not “jumping” at the ball, “staying back” better.
All of these things help him see the ball better.
The league made adjustments on him, now he is making adjustments in return.
This is a good thing if you are a Dodger fan.
His defense is OK. So he’s not a consistent GG, BFD.
by 68elcamino427 on Jun 25, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Strasburg card on eBay
Is at one million now
by delias man on Jun 25, 2010 10:58 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Can someone please explain why this (and other cards) are worth so much.
I understand the old, no longer available cards (supply and demand), but why this card of a modern day rookie?
Is it just because it’s one of the first printed?
OT: USC willk 'fight on'
They are appealing the bowl ban and scholarship reductions. They are shooting for just one-year bowl ban and reduce the scholarship reduction to 15 per 3 years, not 30 per three…
Any chance they win on appeal?
Or is this a scenario where the same body that levied the penalty to begin with decides the fate of the appeal?
by Michael White on Jun 25, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I think they have 'enough' evidence to win what they proposed
USC is only appealing the second year of the bowl ban, it’s not an all or nothing appeal.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 25, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't a reduction of penalties on appeal
pretty common for the NCAA?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess so
And it really hasn’t worked out for the schools that appealed. We’ll see..
by Julio Nievas on Jun 25, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
If we're trading Kemp for anyone, its for somebody the Dodgers can control for 4 to 6 years.
No point for trading for DeJesus who makes a lot of money, or Cabera who should get his ass non-tendered due to sucking.
Kemp 2010 versus 2009 Subjectively
2006-2009
Speed – helped his defense, helped his stolen bases, helped him from grounding into double plays, helped him beat out infield hits keeping his BABIP inflated.
2010
Speed – seems to be a step short on balls he caught easily last year, is one of the worse base stealers in baseball, is grounding into double plays we would have easily expected him to beat out last year, not beating out infield hits as he had done in the past.
Subjectively Kemp is either hurt and not running full speed or has lost a step and is not able to make adjustments defensively/base paths to make up for it
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The thing I’m really concerned about is how this is going to effect Kemp’s BABIP. The only players with a higher BABIP than Kemp ever are Rod Carew, Ichiro, Jeter, and guys that played against drunks with leather mittens in the field.
If Kemp’s speed goes and he ends up with a more normal .310 BABIP, he’s nowhere near a great player.
by regfairfield on Jun 25, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Kind of my point
Not only does he lose value offensively but if he becomes a corner because of the lost speed he loses overall value. And dare we say simply become ordinary?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Hell, if he keeps hitting .260/.320/.460 in a corner he becomes Eric Karros.
by regfairfield on Jun 25, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I love it
Kemp in the first real slump of his career. . .and now hes a .260 hitter
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 25, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Point was that a big part of Kemp’s game is based on a historically high BABIP. If he can’t keep that going without making improvements, he’s in trouble.
by regfairfield on Jun 25, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that great how that works?
And before he almost went 30/30 last year I thought he would turn into a 30-35 homerun hitter a year and just hit for mostly power. I will be just fine if he turns into a .275/.360/.530 hitter in right field and has the ability to steal about 20 bases a year.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Yes but where are you getting the
85 point differential in Avg/OB% ?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I think a guy with a career avg of .293
has had more then one slump in his career over a four year period. We are simply talking about his historically high BABIP, why is that untouchable?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Im not saying he hasnt had a slump in his career
But nothing to this magnitude. It’s silly how just a month and a half ago many here were writing him in for 40 homers. So you agree Kemp is a 260/.320/.460?
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 25, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
NO ONE said he is
if he keeps hitting .260/.320/.460
IF!
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Theres obviosuly some indication that he believes it
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF he is going to make that statement
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 25, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
conjecture is exactly that. You have to consider things that could happen, whether or not you believe they will.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If Matt Kemp continues to hit .200(Like he is in June)
will he be DFA before the season ends?
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 25, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you think
that could happen?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe it as much as this nonsense
That Kemp will be a .260 hitter from here on out
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 25, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I used that because that’s what the man is hitting now. Kemp with a .310 BABIP going forward looks like current Kemp if he doesn’t improve the strikeouts.
by regfairfield on Jun 25, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
At the minimum he is that
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
if
he wrote if. Are those two letters so hard to see?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Kemp is not hurt and he hasn't lost a step
I think his struggles are more mental than anything
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 25, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Kemp isnt going anywhere
Can we just stop all these ridiculous discussions? He’s had a ton of bad luck over the last few days offensively, which is preventing everyone from saying, “He’s BACK!”
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 25, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
I actually don't consider these ridiculous
I think at the least, Kemp will not be our CF in 2011 which means instead of looking for a Left Fielder we would be looking for a CF.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
And we all know how good
Ned Colletti’s track record is when looking for a CF.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I got an idea. We’re already paying Andruw Jones… how about…..
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jun 25, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Matt Kemp just needs to stop dating Rhianna and he will get back to his old self
by Dodgermanramon on Jun 25, 2010 11:56 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
so are you saying
he needs Dodger blue balls? (drum riff)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 25, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
That is a useless point to make
There’s no way to establish if it would or wouldn’t help, there’s no one for us to know how it does or doesn’t affect anything, it’s not funny or clever.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 25, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I really am sick of hearing it too.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 25, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Kemp go to any foreign countries while he was gone? He might have got some exotic curse.
This is a better theory than Rhianna.
by regfairfield on Jun 25, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
His balls could be constantly itching
which would be quite a distraction, and a reason for his bad jumps.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 25, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
now it feels like a House episode
we need a white board to make the symptoms
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 25, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the Loons' local paper's definition of
Breaking News
(“Three Loons, including Sands, get promoted” – after Sands has already homered for his new club.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Ahh, the good old days of Juan Pierre, Team MVP and RBI machine
by Eric Stephen on Jun 25, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember many calling for him to be traded then.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 25, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
did Mario Angelo Sangco get promoted?
by Dodgermanramon on Jun 25, 2010 12:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Midwest League All Star and one of underdog's favorite prospects
is still a Loon as of now…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Have the Dodgers already seen the best of Matt Kemp
as a headline would cause much consternation in the Dodger world.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
we need Jon Heyman to tweet about his regression
and compare him to some old Dodger. Worked for Billz and Kershaw.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 25, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
awesome thanks man!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
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