Dodgers Week 12 In Review: Die, Interleague Play, Die
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 7:01 AM PDT
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This week sucked.
Dodger Batter of the Week: Rafael Furcal had a nice week in the worst of circumstances.
Dodger Pitcher of the Week: John Ely pitched great, but didn't win, epitomizing the Dodgers' week.
Week 12 Record: 2-4
30 runs scored (5.00 per game)
28 runs allowed (4.67 per game)
.532 pythagorean winning percentage
Season Record: 40-35
351 runs scored (4.68 per game)
344 runs allowed (4.59 per game)
.509 pythagorean winning percentage (38-37)
| Dodgers Week By Week Standings | |||||||||||
| Wk 1 | Wk 2 | Wk 3 | Wk 4 | Wk 5 | Wk 6 | Wk 7 | Wk 8 | Wk 9 | Wk 10 | Wk 11 | Wk 12 |
| 3 GB | 2 GB | 3 GB | 5 GB | 5 GB | 2 GB | 1 GB | 2 GB | ½ GB | 1 GB | 2 GB | 5 GB |
Transactions:
- Wednesday: Rafael Furcal was activated from the bereavement list, and Chin-Lung Hu was optioned to Triple A Albuquerque.
- Thursday: In need of a spot start, Charlie Haeger was activated from the disabled list, and Travis Schlichting was optioned to Triple A
- Friday: After another poor start, Haeger was designated for assignment, and Jon Link was recalled from Triple A
- Sunday: After the game Sunday night, Link was optioned to Albuquerque, to make room for Chad Billingsley, who will be activated from the disabled list to start Monday night in San Francisco
Game Results:
- Tuesday: Angels 6, Dodgers 3
- Wednesday: Angels 2, Dodgers 1
- Thursday: Dodgers 10, Angels 6
- Friday: Yankees 2, Dodgers 1
- Saturday: Dodgers 9, Yankees 4
- Sunday: Yankees 8, Dodgers 6
Upcoming Week: The Dodgers get back into divisional play this week, with a pair of series on the road in San Francisco and Arizona.
| Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | Sat | Sun |
| 28 @SF 7:15pm |
29 @SF 7:15pm |
30 @SF 12:45pm |
1 Off |
2 @Ari 6:40pm |
3 @Ari 6:40pm |
4 @Ari 1:10pm |
Previous Weeks in Review: Wk 1 | Wk 2 | Wk 3 | Wk 4 | Wk 5 | Wk 6 | Wk 7 | Wk 8 | Wk 9 | Wk 10 | Wk 11
Week 12 Stats
| Player | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SB/CS | BA/OBP/SLG | OPS |
| Furcal | 24 | 20 | 6 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 3 | 2/0 | .350/.417/.450 | .867 |
| Manny | 26 | 21 | 4 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 5 | 0/0 | .333/.462/.381 | .842 |
| Kemp | 22 | 20 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 0/0 | .250/.318/.500 | .818 |
| Blake | 26 | 24 | 0 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0/1 | .292/.346/.375 | .721 |
| Ethier | 28 | 26 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 0/0 | .308/.321/.385 | .706 |
| Loney | 27 | 22 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 3 | 0/0 | .273/.370/.273 | .643 |
| DeWitt | 11 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0/0 | .125/.300/.250 | .550 |
| Martin | 28 | 20 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 7 | 0/0 | .100/.321/.100 | .421 |
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| Belliard | 7 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0/0 | .333/.333/.833 | 1.167 |
| Johnson | 10 | 10 | 3 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0/0 | .400/.400/.600 | 1.000 |
| Carroll | 17 | 17 | 3 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2/0 | .471/.471/.471 | .941 |
| Anderson | 9 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0/0 | .111/.111/.111 | .222 |
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| Pitchers | 8 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0/0 | .000/.500/.000 | .500 |
| Totals | 243 | 205 | 30 | 58 | 12 | 0 | 2 | 27 | 26 | 4/1 | .283/.363/.371 | .734 |
| Pitcher | G | W-L | Sv | IP | H | R | ER | BB | K | ERA | WHIP | FIP* |
| Ely | 1 | 0-1 | -- | 7.0 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 1.29 | 0.714 | 2.34 |
| Padilla | 1 | 0-1 | -- | 7.0 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 7 | 2.57 | 1.000 | 3.91 |
| Kershaw | 2 | 0-1 | -- | 13.2 | 10 | 7 | 7 | 3 | 11 | 4.61 | 0.951 | 4.37 |
| Kuroda | 1 | 1-0 | -- | 5.1 | 7 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 5 | 6.75 | 1.875 | 5.45 |
| Haeger | 1 | 0-0 | -- | 4.2 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 7.71 | 1.929 | 6.84 |
| Starters | 6 |
1-3 | -- | 37.2 | 31 | 19 | 18 | 13 | 33 | 4.30 | 1.168 | 4.37 |
| Kuo | 2 | 0-0 | -- | 2.1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 0.00 | 0.429 | 1.91 |
| Weaver | 2 | 1-0 | -- | 1.1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 2.250 | 5.45 |
| Belisario | 3 | 0-0 | -- | 3.1 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2.70 | 1.200 | 2.60 |
| Troncoso | 3 | 0-1 | -- | 2.0 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 4.50 | 2.000 | 1.70 |
| Broxton | 4 | 0-0 | -- | 4.1 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 7 | 8.31 | 2.077 | 2.74 |
| Sherrill | 3 | 0-0 | -- | 1.0 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 9.00 | 2.000 | 16.20 |
| Miller | 1 | 0-0 | -- | 1.0 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 18.00 | 3.000 | (0.80) |
| Relievers | 6 |
1-1 | -- | 15.1 | 19 | 9 | 9 | 7 | 16 |
5.28 | 1.696 | 3.33 |
| Totals | 6 |
2-4 | -- | 53.0 | 50 | 28 | 27 | 20 | 49 | 4.58 | 1.321 | 4.07 |
*FIP is estimated
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I Love Interleague
It weeds out the pretenders. Granted, the scheduling is very uneven and the Dodgers got screwed this year, but they did nothing to prove themselves at all. If you can’t win when up by 4 at home in the bottom of the ninth, you can’t complain. If you’re down by one with the bases loaded in the 9th inning and make awful baserunning plays, you can’t complain.
The Yankees won this series because they are the better team. They are the better team because they have an extra $100,000,000 to pay guys like A-Rod and Sabbathia, who were pretty much the keys to both of these wins.
AL or NL, it doesn’t matter. If you can’t contend, you can’t contend. If you can’t beat the Yankees at home in June, how do you think you’ll fair against them in October in The Bronx?
I agree with this
I don’t want interleague play as a practice to end; I was just venting that this season’s version is through, and the gauntlet is complete.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
In 2008
Philadelphia went 4-11 versus the AL in interleague play and lost every single series against the AL (Oakland, Boston, Angels, Texas and Toronto.) Fortunately for them, MLB decided to go ahead and play the World Series anyway.
by Michael White on Jun 28, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Basically - you're agreeing wtih me.
Even if you aren’t saying the same thing that I do.
My whole point is that there are no excuses here.
Huh?
By your logic, PHI stood no chance in October because they couldn’t get it done in June.
by Michael White on Jun 28, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
no - it just wasn't that complete of a thought
my point is that i don’t hate interleague because if you want to be the best, you have to be able to beat anybody at any time – especially at home. in the (small sample size) case of philly, they came out on top, and didn’t use interleague as any excuse for not making the playoffs.
As bad as last night was, it showed me that we can compete with the Yankees. So, I feel good about it.
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 28, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
We should have taken 2 of 3
and we lost 2-1 against their best pitcher with our 4th or 5th best pitcher. If we had won last night I would have considered this a moral sweep, lol.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I hate interleague
And it doesn’t do anything to weed out pretenders. They are simply single three game series that could go either way. The worst team in baseball will occasionally win two out of three from the best team in baseball. I think you are reading way too much into this.
Although I don’t hate interleague, this is what I was trying to say in my comment below, just in a better way.
by CarolinaDodger on Jun 28, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree with this
I think interleague tells very little about a team’s ability to contend, or at least less than games against other NL teams. A much better barometer is how they perform against the other teams in the NL West because that is their direct competition for a playoff spot. Then, once in the playoffs, anything can happen in the short series.
by CarolinaDodger on Jun 28, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers are 18-5 within the division so far this year
by 68elcamino427 on Jun 28, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I like that you teased and told us the answer in a second comment :)
by Michael White on Jun 28, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
If someone else knocks out the east teams for us do we reallly have to?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
if our record within our division evens out like our record in one run games we’ll be out of contention soon.. and I mean in like 2 weeks.
But I dont see that happening. We cant be that unlucky.. can we?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 28, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
And that’s why you don’t bunt three times in a row.
To really hammer home this point, Broxton’s arm is going to fly off.
Heh
Especially on that last point if he continues his insane windmill warmup. That scares me every time.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with Kensai
I used to worry that with Torre leaving that we’ll face a decline, but at this point if he’ s going to pull crap like he did yesterday than I will glad when somebody else takes over the team next year.
Do you mean how he managed
Saturday Night, leaving a less then stellar Broxton ready to face them on Sunday if we needed him, or do mean specifically how he managed the game on Sunday?
I think Tripon's concerned
that Torre will pull a Larry Brown, know its his last year, and work his players into the ground knowing that he won’t be around to deal with consequenses in future years.
by Michael White on Jun 28, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
For me it was Saturday more than anything.
Bringing in Broxton last night, on its own, was more defensible, but not when coupled with his usage over the previous four days. Leaving him in for 48 pitches (well, 44 + IBB) seemed excessive, but then again perhaps a strike call to Curtis, or if Loney did anything but touch first base right away, and Broxton may have finished the game and all we would have had to say was “Whew.”
Also, bearface might not have lost his mind.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Its the culmination of the moves Sat. and Sun. really.
People keep on saying Broxton needed to get 3 outs, but asking him to do it without his fastball and his slider is a failure on management, it was a failure on management to use their best two pitches and making them useless in situations that didn’t call for them, and its certainly a failure of management to not recognize when your closer doesn’t have it and not pull him out and allow him to throw 48 pitches.
Seriously, who the heck have thrown over 40 pitches in one inning, reliever or starter? That was ridiculous.
Eric
Remember when you predicted our Division championship last June based on the historical precedent. How does it look for us this year?
Not so good
I was considering having the subtitle to this post be “It’s Over.”
I’m willing to hold out to see how we roll within the division again before throwing in the towel, though.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
dont worry
Ned will come through with a trade or three that will make everything right.
lol
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 28, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Say what you will about the guys he gave up, but Ned’s temporary solutions are usually great.
by regfairfield on Jun 28, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Except Proctor
Lugo, Thome, Greg Maddux Part Two, Casey Blake, Mark Sweeney, Estaban Loaiza, Shea Hillandbrand, Toby Hall, Mark Hendrickson, Elmer Dessens
Proctor was very good for the Dodgers down the stretch in ‘07, it wasn’t until the next season his arm finally fell off completely.
you could probably take that sentence
and put in Wade and 08, and then Troncoso and 09
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 28, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Except there were signs in 08 (Wade) and 09 (Troncoso) that those pitchers simply weren’t that good. Their x-FIPs were average compared to stellar ERA’s. I’m not comfortable blaming Wade and Troncoso on Torre. Proctor’s got the biggest beef from the year in New York where Torre completely rode him into the ground (102 innings!)
by Michael White on Jun 28, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Torre came back to finish the job.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Is there a stat anywhere that predicts the odds of a team winning the division, based on where they are in the standings on a particular date?
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
Not that I know of
but Baseball Prospectus has playoff odds based on the current season. Although who knows if PECOTA has been fixed?
The Dodgers currently have a 17.9% chance of making the playoffs per those odds.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
SportsClubStats
is probably better than PECOTA (broken).
Here is the link.
3.8% chance of making the playoffs.
vr, Xei
after further review, I am not sure if either method is all that accurate. Might want to split the difference. If I was set up from it, I’d use my sim to play out the rest of the seasons schedule for each team and calculate it myself. But I’m too busy/lazy.
vr, Xei
[lifts head back up!]
No problem Xei. Thanks for looking that up. If you don’t have time, maybe bearface can do the leg work in looking up those numbers…oh wait, he works 60 hour weeks. Best to just eyeball it then.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Is the Strasburg card still for sale? What is it at now?
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 28, 2010 9:11 AM PDT reply actions
Is Clayton Kershaw an ace?
http://www.faketeams.com/2010/6/28/1540548/a-closer-look-clayton-kershaw-the?ref=fangraphs
Hell…freaking…yes!
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Broxton should be OUT for the first two games of the Giants series (and possibly all three).
We need to make another pitching move today.
Lindblom?
or does he need more AAA seasoning?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 28, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
The only realistic move, if any, would be to call up Schlichting, which can only happen if another pitcher goes on the disabled list.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Whether he's injured or not
Troncoso is definitely in need of getting away from Torre for a while, if only to allow his arm to re-stitch itself to his body. Sadly, when Torre gets ahold of a guy like this, usually it requires said arm falling off before he quits running them out there constantly.
Sherrill at this point can be shot out of a cannon for all I care. He may well bounce back, but its becoming clear that its probably not gonna be anytime soon.
As a reliever
probably not. He may well have been given a shot already had he not been converted to starting earlier in the year.
Lindblom would be fine, I guess. There are two open spots on the 40-man roster at the moment.
Then again, Wade & Ausmus are getting closer and will need those spots.
Jansen, for me, has the best chance to make an impact right now. But the odds of him coming up before September aren’t good.
Cory Wade?
how has his rehab been going? I agree with you about Jansen, it’d be nice to have another fireballer in the pen, though I’m sure it’s unlikely.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 28, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Broxton has pitched a lot recently, coming into Sunday, Broxton pitched in three of the last four games. With Sunday game, it was four of the last five games.
June 23 (game 71) 24 pitches (entered game Dodgers down 1-2)
June 24 (game 72) 08 pitches (entered game Dodgers up 10-6)
June 26 (game 73) 19 pitches (entered game Dodgers up 9-4)
June 27 (game 74) 48 pitches (entered game Dodgers up 6-2)
Total: 99 pitches
Even if you don’t want to count Sunday, that’s still some heavy use of Broxton in non save situations in games where Broxton wasn’t needed.
He’s got a ton of experience fighting IRS, he’s the right man for the job.
by regfairfield on Jun 28, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m fairly certain the daughter is a cyborg
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
cavalry is coming guys!
Dodgers signed LHP Jack Taschner to a minor league contract.
The news comes via Tim Dierkes of MLBTradeRumors.com, who spoke directly with the general manager of the Dodgers’ Triple-A affiliate in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
zzzzz
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 28, 2010 9:55 AM PDT reply actions
George Sherrill season stats this year:
His ERA is 6.75
His FIP is 6.19
His x-FIP is 6.55
His tERA is 6.33
Not a guy who has been unlucky. He really has been pitching as bad as he looked.
He’s really had every opportunity to prove he can do that job, and he’s only proven the opposite. He just has to go. I try to give a lot of people the benefit of the doubt, but he’s just been awful.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 28, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
could have gotten something decent for him
before the season started.. hindsight is 20/20 tho..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 28, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m no one could have seen he’d be this bad. Add that he usually had bad springs, I’m sure it was overlooked.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 28, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Some people advocated trading him before the season started….
by Michael White on Jun 28, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Because of his salary. Dodgers traditionally don’t pay relievers outside of their closers a lot of money. Don’t think anyone thought that Sherrill will implode like he has.
Like he has?
Of course not. Nothing suggested the dude was a 6 FIP pitcher. But plenty of people noticed the split between his x-FIP and ERA last season.
by Michael White on Jun 28, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Many of us thought we might be lucky enough
to trade Sherrills salary for a 5th starter type salary. I certainly thought Sherrill would be adequate in 2010 but I also thought given our salary constraints that paying a middle relief guy that kind of money was not the best use of our budget.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
After a quick look at his career stats I think it wasn’t really that difficult to see this coming. Obvious trend
Nobody could honestly say they saw a 6+ ERA pitcher in Sherrill. That’s just plain wrong.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually thought hed by a 8.25 type of guy, but I was a little off. In all seriousness, I’ve never been a Sherrillista. I didnt think he would completely go down in flames like this, but I didnt like what i saw from him last year, even with his amazing ERA. He just didnt have that good of stuff, his control was fringy at best, and he just got insanely lucky. This year he has not so good stuff and no control. I was on the trade bandwagon during the winter, the DFA bandwagon early in the year, and right now, he needs to be off of the roster.
by UCLADodger32 on Jun 28, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe we can trade him
for Josh Bell. Think Baltimore would do that?
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jun 28, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I would rather have josh Bell pitching for us right now than Sherrill. Bell started off pretty poorly, but has gotten better each month. That trade killed me at the time, and looks pretty awful now as well.
by UCLADodger32 on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Gracias senor. My buddy who was working in the front office told me that the trade was gonna happen before it was announced and I begged him to go yell at Ned. He didnt want to lose his job, so of course he didnt. I will always blame him for costing us Josh Bell (no matter that he was an unpaid intern and would have been fired on the spot for saying anything about player moves to the higher ups).
by UCLADodger32 on Jun 28, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Best that could be said is that his effectiveness as an all-around pitcher (instead of LOOGY) could have easily been seen coming, but he’s been dominant against lefties pretty much his entire career. A lot of the people here advocated trading him simply because while he was a great LOOGY, paying $4 mil for a LOOGY was crazy.
I wonder how bad this trade will haunt us.
Before the trade Ned had a choice to use Elbert as the man in the pen. While Sherrill was great in the regular season we all know based on Mike White’s work that he was very lucky. Unfortunately for us, his luck ran out against the Phillies.
I’ll always wonder what would have happened if Ned had simply let Elbert be that man, would Elbert have struggled or grown in to the job, would Elbert’s hard stuff been better to go after the Phillies then Sherrills soft stuff? Would Elbert now be a mainstay in our bullpen and give us a deadly hard combo of Broxton/Kuo/Belisario/Elbert instead of him hanging out in hang dog mode?
Oh well this does no good, but still I wonder
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
At least he's not really getting lucky or unlucky
All his stats just show that he’s shitty, lol.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
GM Ned Colletti has already stacked the Albuquerque Isotopes’ roster with veteran relievers – Jesus Colome, Jack Taschner, Kiko Calero, and Claudio Vargas are recent additions. Asked over email by MLBTR whether he is looking to upgrade the bullpen and if he’d be open to renting a reliever, Colletti was noncommittal: “Always depends on who is coming in and who is going out.” Talking to Shaikin yesterday, Torre said, “I know Ned is certainly not zeroing in on one little area.” In other words, Colletti is considering more than just starting pitching.
From MLBTR
Prospects I’d keep off limits (in no particular order)
Withrow
Sands
Jansen
Martin
Webster
Miller
by silverwidow on Jun 28, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
To get anyone of value, you would have to trade 2 or 3 of those guys.
The thing is, this season team’s is probably not good enough to make it to the world series. Last season team was, and the best thing Ned Colletti could do was trade for George Sherrill.
I’d say use the guys you have in the system already, don’t trade for players that will cost you your top prospects and don’t sacrifice the future. This team isn’t good enough to make that kind of an investment.
We said the same thing about this time in 2008. Remember how people wanted to trade Lowe to refill the prospect cupboard?
by Michael White on Jun 28, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Difference is
Manny turned the team around in ’08, by playing like Babe Ruth on steroids. Barring another out-of-the-blue trade for a player who has a historically great two month stretch, do you really see ’08 being repeated?
Just because it happened just two years ago doesn’t make it likely to happen again.
I thought Casey Blake turned the season around
I’ve been told by more then one source that without Casey Blake we do not win in 2008. Since we already have Casey Blake we should win. Seems simple enough.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d.
And remember, without trading Santana, Casey Blake never signs a 3-year deal with us.
by silverwidow on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I still subscribe that trading for him made it much easier to sign him than it would have without the trade
We may have ended up with Joe Crede last year instead of Blake, and I am glad we didn’t.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
And I still disagree with you
Ned Colletti has had a boner with Casey Blake’s name written on it for some time and he would have signed him in that off-season anyway, just like he finally satisfied his Jamey Carroll lust this past offseason.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I'm certainly not saying it certainly will happen of course
But this year we are chasing the best team in the entire NL instead of the weakest division leader. The benefit of that is that you stay in play for the Wild Card.
by Michael White on Jun 28, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The very good news
is that Hot Tub Time Machine comes out on DVD tomorrow, so those of use that missed the boat when it was in theaters can finally see it.
Based on reviews, look for Grownups in aother couple of weeks.
by KellyStephen on Jun 28, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
what a great movie
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jun 28, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Since I missed the threads all weekend
I just want to add that James Loney gets a fail on his decision last night. That play is all about knowing what you are going to do if the ball is hit to you and the runner breaks. More then Broxton failing last night, I’m tired of our defense failing every night.
Loney said he had thought through the play before it happened and simply thought he could execute it. I guess he felt that a 3-6-3 DP was too risky, and just throwing home was too conservative.
Not saying I agree, just passing that on.
Loney had a brilliant 3-6 DP in the previous inning and probably was feeling a confidence boost from that.
Maybe he should try it in practice
and realize it has a almost no chance of happening. Having to go back to the bag is the killer part of the play. All momentum on the throw is blown. I’d like to see any first baseman in baseball try to throw out a fast runner breaking from 3rd when the fielder has to step back to the base, and then make an accurate throw. It is a fools play and an experienced 1st baseman should know it.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Its an issue of positioning then, if he caught the ball behind the bag, he would have enough momentum to throw to home in time.
That seems to be a moot point
since he didn’t.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
He's holding the runner at first!
He doesn’t have a positioning choice; he made that play in the only position he could make that play.
And he should have thrown home.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I don’t think Loney’s decision was that bad really, but the execution wasn’t great. If his throw is to the third base side of home, Granderson is out.
Exactly. I think what threw him on the play was the slow arc of the ball coming to him. If that is a harder hit ball, he probably makes it happen.
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 28, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
If you don't think it is hard
then practice it and you will see how difficult it is to make that play and make a good throw home. On the other hand taking the ground ball, and going forward into the momentum of the throw home is very easy. You don’t try to do something impossible when you have the possible staring you in the face.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not saying that it isn’t difficult, just that the decision itself isn’t a bad one. The ball was hit right to him, he gamble for two and lost on execution.
If you're going to gamble for two
It has to be 3-6-3, no tag plays. Trying to get the second out on a tag play at home is a fool’s errand unless you field the ball right at the bag, which isn’t what happened.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I didn't crush Loney on that play
because first base defense doesn’t matter :)
by Michael White on Jun 28, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We have 10 million in dead money to pay off Manny and Andruw Jones next year.
We’re going to need all the pre-arbitration players we can get. Lets not trade them for middling veterans this time.
Especially when middle relief is really just about finding live arms. We have two already in Lindblom and Jansen. I also think the Link and Schilchting would be fine if given the opportunity.
Doesn't matter who the arms are
if Joe Torre is afraid to use them with a 10 – 4 lead.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
So long as Sherrill is in the pen
then Jansen would be an upgrade. Hard to say if he’d be better then anyone else.
He is probably still a little raw, but he has a big time strikeout arm. I think he would be fine as an option for a situation where Belli is typically used but is unavailable. Or in last night’s game, the 8th inning with Belli getting the 9th.
I can’t see Jansen earning Torre’s trust when he’s probably going to do a Mitch Williams impersonation. It’s not just about finding live arms, it’s about finding live arms that we’ll actually use.
by regfairfield on Jun 28, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm surprised so many think the season is over already
or that its not worth investing in. It looks bleak now but I think thats due to the convergence of some ugly circumstances. The offense decided to wander off and the pitching decided to take a break all during the toughest stretch of the season. I still feel they can turn it around. ALOT of luck has gone into the Padres streak. THere is still a chance that it evens out. We are gonna get billz back. No matter what way you slice it, billz is one of our best pitchers. The Monk will return, and hopefully help out the relief core. We have good young arms on the farm that can help immediately (the German, Lindblom). Granted, the right decision has to be made regarding said young arms. but why is everything so bleak?
I'm not sure about investing in
I don’t think anybody here says that they are out of here. I’m not going anywhere.
by Michael White on Jun 28, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
SportsClubStats
is probably better than PECOTA (broken).
Here is the link.
3.8% chance of making the playoffs.
vr, Xei
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
It will and I don't much care for them until Sept 30th.
What I do find interesting is the number of historical teams who have come back with a five game deficit on July 1st, with not one but two teams to jump, and the team who I consider the best team right under us.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree on all this. I also look over and see PHI in a similar situation. SD is not historically great, and they can be run down.
If SD wins the Western Division
with the team they have, Eric, David , and Mike will run from Petco to the Gaslight district clothed only in a newpaperboys hat. Eric’s hat will be worn backward.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of hats, I wear same one until they lose. I put the Black LA hat on today, so if LA wins tonight, you are getting to see it tomorrow.
Since the beer is free, I can throw one at you :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
But does the beer come in a cup with a flashing light at the bottom?
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 28, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I would rather you wear the black one than that hideous abomination.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
The biggest thing we have going for us is that we are
going to stop facing teams out of division but that does not say much for this team that we can only beat up on teams in our division.
It does not change the fact we are the worst defensive team in baseball and it makes all our pitchers work much harder then they should have to.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter
what matters is what happens game in and game out.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
well we can beat up on our division to gain ground
and buy time to straighten things out. I think the DOdgers are playing well below their abilities. I believe Kemp will turn it around defensively. Just has to get his head out of his ass. DeWitt has improved. Furcal is back and usually is good (except he always chooses the worst times to over throw a ball). Maybe we get XP back and boot GA
Rafy fails at defense
as many times as Broxton fails as a closer in the playoffs. Should we replace Rafy now so we don’t have to worry about him failing us in the playoffs?
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Our division is very good
So it’s not completely worthless to beat up on inter-divisional teams. It just means we are screwed if we make the playoffs, lol.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
yeah, let’s remember that the D-backs took two of three from the once almighty Rays.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 28, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
We have done well our last series with the central leaders……swept Cards, 2 of 3 against Reds. That’s very positive
by Tommy Told Me To Bleed Blue on Jun 28, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
OT
LaDainian Tomlinson thinks he can win the Jets starting tailback job. This guy is living in the past and on reputation. It’s Shonn Greene’s time.
By the way
The Dodgers need to win their next eight games for my 48-35 prediction to come through.
The most important thing though is that they are ahead of the Rockies, for my family reunion purposes. :)
That is doable
if the Marlins lie down for us like they did for the Padres.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Giants Dbacks Marlins and Cubs
Time to make a run.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
The Dodgers will sweep all of those games and the Padres will still find a way to gain more ground. : )
welp theres always the wildcard
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Call that "pulling an Angels"
Since Kendry Morales landed wrong on home plate, the Angels are an amazing 19-8, yet somehow are one game further from first place than they were on that day.
(Texas has gone 20-6)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
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Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Hmm
let me see if I can find another pic.
It’s a “Ryan Theriot Fishing Bobblehead,” which features him dressed in fishing gear standing atop a yellow boat.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 28, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
For Phil
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/five-questions-los-angeles-dodgers5/
Since his debut, Loney has moved the wrong direction in some ways. His SLG dropped from .538 in 375 plate appearances in 2007 to .434 (651 PA) in 2008, and cratered at a ghastly .399 in another 651 plate appearances in 2009. He was 25 last year. This is not the trend you want to see from a first baseman, especially one whose swing just looks so good. But there is, yet, cause for hope. He rebounded from a 0.53 BB/K ratio in 2008 to a much-more encouraging 1.03 figure in 2009. And he shows decent enough plate control: His percentage of swings outside the zone has decreased each season, while his contact rate reached a career high 88.5 percent last season. If the power comes—and he’ll turn just 26 in May—he might still be a monster. Through his age-25 season, his No. 1 Baseball Reference comparable is Jeff Bagwell. Don’t give up, yet, Dodgers fans.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
That same article has Kershaw as 23 years old as well
and he is 22 until next March, correct?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
This article was before the season, btw
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
And not only that, he’s got a badass throwing arm as well.
Next time there’s a guy on third like last night, Loney will fire a stike to the plate that will make Raffy proud.
ps Fuck the Yankees
by 68elcamino427 on Jun 28, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
That is just one of several articles
noting the trend in the right direction for his peripherals entering this season. I just don’t say he is going to do well because I hope he is.
by meercatjohn on Jun 28, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Off topic: Any SF based Dodger fan want to join me for Gnats game tomorrow night?
Join me and a fellow from DT (and his family). Ticket was $60 but I’d sell it for less. ping me at underdog8 at gmail dot com asap if interested. Seats are pretty good, near the side bullpen and view of manny in lower section.
Elymania in SF!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Time for us to do what we do
/cocks gun
Time for us to beat the NL West. Let’s go be heroes.
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
I'd say we're all out of gum
but I’ve seen the barrel they have in the dugout. Wish I had some gum.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 28, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
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