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State of the Minor League System - Catchers

In conjunction with my minor league reports, I wanted to do an analysis of the Dodgers system at the midway point of the season.  This analysis will serve two purposes.  First, it will take a look at the Dodgers minor league system at each position and show the depth and talent at each.  Second, it will provide a re-ranking of the players within each position.  I am not going to provide an new overall ranking, but instead will just show the rankings within each position.  I will also provide the preseason rank that I gave to each player within the position.  You'll notice that some players have an N/A next to their preseason rank.  That is because the player is new to the Dodgers since my preseason ranking.  I will be providing a position by position breakdown over the next two weeks.

I am including the players that were drafted in the 2010 draft and have already signed with the Dodgers.  I know that it is difficult to evaluate such prospects so early into their Dodger career, but I am going to do my best and basically give them a preliminary ranking.

Also, the position that I have each player ranked at is the position that I believe is best for the player.  It may not be the players current primary position, but it is where I believe each player will ultimately end up should they make the major leagues.  The same holds true for pitchers.  If I believe a pitcher is best suited as a reliever, then that I where I put them.  Finally, please feel free to leave comments, debate my rankings or challenge the positions that I have the players at.  Enjoy.

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Preseason Current Name How Acquired Age Height Weight Bats Current Level
2 1 Lucas May 2003, 8th     25.71 5' 11" 195 R AAA
1 2 Anthony Delmonico 2008, 6th     23.21 6' 0" 194 R High A
5 3 Jan Vazquez 2009, 6th     19.20 5' 10" 165 S Arizona Rookie
6 4 Michael Pericht 2009, 16th     22.14 6' 5" 225 R Pioneer Rookie
3 5 Gorman Erickson 2006, 15th     22.34 6' 3" 205 S Lo-A
4 6 Jeremy Wise 2009, 5th     24.11 6' 1" 205 R Lo-A
N/A 7 Steve Domecus 2010, 9th     23.04 6' 3" 220 R Pioneer Rookie
8 8 Matt Wallach 2007, 22nd     24.40 6' 1" 205 L High A
7 9 Pedro Tavarez Signed 3/12/07     23.04 6' 0" 198 R Pioneer Rookie
12 10 Jessie Mier 2007, 12th     25.35 6' 1" 215 R AA
N/A 11 Andrew Edge 2010, 24th     22.53 6' 2" 230 R Arizona Rookie
N/A 12 BJ Larosa 2010, 23rd     22.20 6' 2" 200 R Arizona Rookie
11 13 Alex Garabedian 2007, 8th     24.88 6' 2" 210 R High A
N/A 14 Joseph Lincoln 2010, 34th     21.82 6' 4" 210 R Pioneer Rookie
N/A 15 Josmar Cordero Signed 2010     18.84 5' 10" 175 R DSL
9 16 Jose Capellan Signed 2009     19.75 6' 0" 190 R DSL
N/A 17 Railing Feliz Signed 2010     18.99 5' 11" 184 R DSL
16 18 Steve Cilladi 2009, 33rd     23.33 5' 9" 182 R Arizona Rookie
13 19 Jose Lugo Signed 2009     20.06 6' 1" 200 R DSL
N/A 20 Webster Rivas Signed 2010     19.93 6' 0" 195 R DSL
15 21 Keyter Collado Signed 5/27/04     24.09 5' 11" 178 R AA
N/A 22 Angelo Ponte Signed 6/15/10     23.57 5' 11" 215 R Arizona Rookie
14 23 Gabriel Gutierrez Signed 2002     24.54 5' 11" 190 R Loaned to Mex Lg
18 24 Esteban Lopez 2006, 25th     26.06 6' 1" 210 R DL
N/A 25 Frank De Jesus Signed in 2010     22.10 6' 1" 192 S DSL
N/A 26 Fumi Ishibashi Signed in 2008     26.83 6' 0" 190 R DL
10 N/A Freudys Perez Signed 2009     18.91 5' 10" 160 R Released
17 N/A Ryan Arp 2008, 45th     24.65 6' 0" 185 R Released

The Dodgers don't really have any star catching prospects, but they do have a lot of depth in their minor league system at the position.  After his great first half in AAA, in my opinion the position is led by Lucas May.  At the beginning of this season I thought that he would never be more than a backup catcher at the big league level.  However, May has put together a solid season thus far in 2010 and is hitting for power and average against advanced pitching.  I'm sure he'll get a promotion at the end of this season because he'll be out of options at the start of the 2011 season so the Dodgers will want to get a closer look at him. 

Tony Delmonico is next on the list, and actually might have the most potential out of the bunch because he is a great athlete.  Delmonico is a converted infielder and is still learning the position.  Despite his lackluster power stats this season, he continues to hit for a decent average and shows outstanding plate discipline.  He has had some injuries along the way, including a recent hand fracture, but he is still just 23 and has time to get better. 

Jan Vazquez moved up in my catcher rankings because the guys who were ahead of him are struggling.  Vazquez, who is from Puerto Rico, had a forgettable professional debut in 2009.  The good news is that Vazquez is still very young and seems to have some potential as he is a good size for a catcher and is a switch hitter.  Michael Pericht, who is having a huge 2010 season thus far, is next in my catcher rankings.  Pericht is a 2009 draftee and is an interesting player because of his size and apparent power here in 2010.  As I mentioned in my 2009 preseason rankings, he has is the same size as Matt Wieters.  There have already been a couple of reports written on him, so I won't go into too much more detail.  As you continue on down the list, you'll find the Great Lakes Loons tagteam of Gorman Erickson and Jeremy Wise.  Both are having poor seasons in 2010, but I think Erickson is the better prospect of the two because is a switch hitter and is 2 years younger than Wise.

Matt Wallach is having a breakout season of sorts in the California League, but he is already 24 and it may be too late for him to because a legitimate prospect.  In the bottom half of this list are several catchers who are currently playing in the Dominican Summer League, and because most are young is difficult to get a good read on how good any of them will be.  That being said, I'm hoping that at least of them will have a good 2010 season and give us something to talk about.

Finally, the Dodgers selected a bunch of catchers in this past draft, but I really don't think any of them will amount to anything except for maybe Steven Domecus.  Domecus had a great career at Virginia Tech, and if he can stay behind the plate he might have a good enough bat to move up through the Dodgers system.

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I really appreciate this.

I’ve tried to semi-follow the Dodgers’ minor league system but sometimes in the reports I would get a little lost with all the names getting thrown around tht I hadn’t heard of much. This is really cool, I look forward to the next position.

by Jesse S. on Jul 12, 2010 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I might steal your position by position idea. :o

Would make an interesting wrinkle now that I have more time.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 12, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Coolguy, what is your e-mail?

Questions about rankings.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 12, 2010 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

This is really good

Going to be fun to see the prospects discussed in position-by-position slices.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 12, 2010 2:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Position-by-Position Analysis

would help temper some of the Russell Martin GTFO chatter. Is he expensive? Yes. Could we do better given the current options? Probably not.

by G.Scott on Jul 12, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s all I said, I swear. :o

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 12, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except

you can replace him outside the organization. I don’t think to many have been arguing that we have in house replacement, simply that his production does not match his cost, and that maybe we should look at other options.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 12, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

That kind of thinking will net us starting catcher, Jason Kendall.

by Tripon on Jul 12, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

After the season

but that wasn’t the discussion.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 12, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I feel like we could replace his (current) production with a league min guy (Ellis/May) since he’ll make at least 5mil next year. Martin is throwing out almost 40% of runners this year, but I have to believe catcher SB% against is a product of pitchers holding guys and being quick to the plate and not him being amazing. That goes for all catchers, not just Russ. Could we replace him outside the organization? Sure. but I don’t think you’ll be getting anything much better or worse than him.

I like the guy, but I think he is money better spent elsewhere.

by G.Scott on Jul 12, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

You want to replace him with Ellis or May? Gee, you guys are gonna hate them if you hate Martin’s defense. May should be able to outhit him but his defense is an adventure. Ellis…might be a current Martin replica, but that’s about his upside.

Catcher SB% is a product of pitchers as well, and the Dodgers are some of the worst at holding runners. As the WOWY study proved or if you just watch how slow they are to the plate.

There could be discount catchers on the market. Usually are every year. Granted, that would rely on Ned identifying them…so…

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 12, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

I’m not all that familiar with either of them to be honest. I rely on you and the crew here to set me straight. I just assume a .244/.346/.332/.679 could be found just about anywhere and for less money. Course, all it would take is one good 6-for-9 stretch and he’d be hitting closer to .270 and no one would care as much.

Know what the difference between hitting .250 and .300 is? It’s 25 hits. 25 hits in 500 at bats is 50 points, okay? There’s 6 months in a season, that’s about 25 weeks. That means if you get just one extra flare a week – just one – a gorp… you get a groundball, you get a groundball with eyes… you get a dying quail, just one more dying quail a week… and you’re in Yankee Stadium.

I’m more concerned with his cost than his production. I’m concerned trying to keep Russ will keep us from keeping someone like Kemp or Ethier when they hit free agency because of a couple million dollars per year, but I give Ned enough credit to figure that out.

by G.Scott on Jul 13, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

Russ will be probably be making close to $7MM next year. And that’s coming off 2 years of posting a wOBA of .308. Operating the Dodgers on a budget, you simply can’t give Russ that much money. That cash needs to be allocated elsewhere.

by Michael White on Jul 13, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Personally

Split it up between Kid-K and Bills and sign them through their arb years. Kershaw has the Hendricks as agents but he may be inclined to make a little money up front instead of waiting in assigned-salary purgatory while gaining Cy Young votes. I would think we could sign Billingsley to some sort of 30-40MM over 6-7yrs deal.

by G.Scott on Jul 13, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

That would be very team-friendly.

by kinbote on Jul 13, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

true, but negotiations are based on comparables. Using Jon Lester as a comparable, Billingsley should make a little less than him. With two years of service time, Lester signed a 5/30 deal. 6/30 would put billingsley at about 8-10mil in the last two years of the deal.

by G.Scott on Jul 13, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about we compromise ;)

And give him a long-term deal that secures the position for the next four years at a cost that doesn’t reflect his best-case salary desires? Warts and all, I like Martin at catcher. Losing him opens up a hole we might patch but not fill. I know there are flaws with my logic, but that’s my gut instinct on the matter. (Disclaimer: I perceive catcher as largely a defensive and work-with-a-staff position—offense is gravy.)

by kinbote on Jul 13, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also what I was thinking

it’s not his ability or demeanor I have a problem with, it’s strictly his salary. If he were to sign a 16/4 deal with incentives based on offensive performance, it could work for both teams.

by G.Scott on Jul 13, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

BTW

I take it you are no longer counting A. J. Ellis as a “prospect”. I know he has exhausted his rookie eligibility by being on the 25-man roster too long, but with only 64 major-league PAs, some prospect maven would still count him as one.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 12, 2010 3:09 PM PDT reply actions  

That is true that I generally go by Baseball America standards in terms of prospect status

however, like my off-season rankings, I have an age cutoff of 28 years old. So any players in the system who are 28 or older do not get included in any of my rankings. That’s why Ellis isn’t in here

by Brandon Lennox on Jul 12, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great work Coolguy

Do you have a timeline on when the other positions are going to be done? Or is it a when you get em, you get em thing?

Either way, Thanks for the effort.

by keithc13 on Jul 12, 2010 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I plan on doing a position day, although I may skip a day or two

The lineup will go as follows:
Catcher
1st Base
3rd Base
Shortstop
2nd Base
Right Field
Center Field
Left Field
Relief Pitchers
Starting Pitchers

by Brandon Lennox on Jul 12, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You picked the right day to start

The beginning of the AS break. Soooo slow otherwise.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 12, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks, and a question:

coolguy…. i love your prospect projects… much appreciated.
now, a few goofy questions: do we know if the dodgers management has a particular preference in terms of the types of players they want at each position? well, obviously, they’d like A-Rod or Pujols at every position. but, given that that’s not likely, do they groom defense-first catchers? offense-first second basemen? do they (or you) see a cluster of players rising through the minors together, a la martin/loney/kemp/bills? and, if so, does that affect what’s expected out of certain positions?

by immouch on Jul 12, 2010 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

They don't seem to like prospects who can combine

power and patience, with the ability to switch hit.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 12, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously

those guys suck. They pick prospects who project at one tool so they can sign and control them and hope to develop the other tools. Frustrating at the draft maybe, but it’s the frugal approach. Can’t argue with Logan’s results though.

by G.Scott on Jul 12, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the delayed response...

But to answer your second question, I don’t see any group of players rising through the system like the Jacksonville 5 from a few years ago. All of the significant prospects seem to be on different levels, so I don’t think any of them are on the same page nor do I believe any of them will get promoted around the same time.

In terms of management’s preference of players drafted, the Dodgers seem to be set on selecting high school pitchers with high ceilings, and raw players who have a lot of athletic ability.

by Brandon Lennox on Jul 13, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know they are at different skill levels

but at AA we suddenly have almost every top prospect, especially position guys, there. Dee, Trayvon, Sands, Withrow, Miller, Jansen, even Lambo. Potentially, that is a leadoff and #2 hitter, a MOO batter, two TOR guys and a stud closer…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jul 13, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Combine that with

our current leadoff hitter, multiple MOO hitters, two TOR guys and stud closer and setup man…We’re looking pretty deep for that 2012 season. You know, assuming Dre et al stay :(

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

assuming that situation is resolved, period. Whoever owns the team will have no reason not to spend with the big boys again starting 2013.

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 15, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of 2013

Why not sign our big guys now (Billingsley, Kershaw, Kemp, Ethier) long term and just packload the crap out of their deals, knowing you’ll have an influx of cash that year?

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 15, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

How do you suppose next year's catching situation will look like?

May figures to repeat at AAA, and Wise is so old he will definitely need to move up to high A. Also Pericht aught to be at low A. So I guess my questions are, does Delmonico go to AA even with his injury this year? Does Gorman Erickson get promoted with Wise and continue to share time with him, because I am not sure it is great for their development? Also, what then happens to Wallach, promotion to AA? Perhaps it is too early to know the answer to these questions, but it interests me to predict and project such things. Big picture it could give people an idea about a player’s eta and such.

by Table on Jul 28, 2010 12:05 AM PDT reply actions  

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Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $490,000
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 37 Herrera $375,082
3B 6 Hairston $2,250,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000
LF 23 Abreu $401,311
CF 10 Gwynn $850,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

OF/1B 33 Van Slyke $388,197
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
OF/1B 30 Sands $375,175
IF 13 DeJesus $448,992
C 18 Treanor $850,000

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000

CL 74
Jansen $491,000
RHP 52 Lindblom $483,000
RHP 51 Belisario $414,426
RHP 54 Guerra $488,000
RHP 28
Wright $900,000
LHP 57 Elbert $488,500
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000

DL 27 Kemp $10,000,000
DL 21 Rivera $4,000,000
DL 12 Sellers $481,000
DL 5 Uribe $8,000,000
DL 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
DL 14 Ellis $2,500,000
60DL 36 Hawksworth $495,000
60DL 41 De La Rosa $485,000

AA 50 Eovaldi $7,885
AAA 56 Antonini $7,869



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Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout
DFA 66 MacDougal $650,000

Totals
$115,942,869

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