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Until someone else puts something up we can talk about various topics:

1. Pluses and Minuses of the 1st half

2. Trade talk (Uggla)

3. Who do you want as our fifth starter? Ely, McDonald, or trade?

4. Is Aug 7th a good date for the next TBLA Dodger Game. That is a Saturday Night against the Nat's and it is possible that would be a Strasburg game. Cost would be $12.00 per ticket.

5. Who is our biggest competition between the Padres, Rockies, and Giants. With Posey the Giant offense has gotten a nice shot in the arm.  The Rockies are starting to get healthy, and Tulo should be back in a about a month.  The Padres look like the cracks are starting to show up but they could patch those cracks with some trades.

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oh snap

It sounds like they are both turds in their own way, and turds often don’t like other turds.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I picked off three names

one fairly obscure, one really obscure, all LA.

We really need another major-leaguer named “McCool”.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay

I got Walton and Ventura, who is the 3rd?

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll never forget that double he had against the Braves

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Know your Pepes

That was the one.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops

MLBTR is taking a look at the 1996 deadline deal trades.

The Pirates horribly mis-timed a pair of pitchers in an August 28 deal. Pittsburgh traded Denny Neagle to the Braves for Ron Wright, Corey Pointer and Jason Schmidt. One year after the Pirates traded him, Neagle went 20-5 with a 2.97 ERA for Atlanta. Schmidt pitched to a 4.39 ERA over six seasons with the Pirates, but he posted a 3.36 ERA with the Giants after Pittsburgh traded him during the 2001 season.

You have to love this. The Pirates traded Neagle to the Braves where he went onto have a great season in 1997. They got Jason Schmidt in the deal but then traded him just before he hit his stride as one of the better NL pitchers before blowing out his arm with the Dodgers. To their credit they did give Schmidt plenty of time to become a good pitcher but simply ran out of patience one year to soon.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Man that is a textbook example of how frustrating propects can be

to know exactly when to cut bait and run or tough it out and reap the rewards. Cody Ross always springs to mind. I was always meh on him but he turned out to be pretty productive

by EephusBlue on Jul 14, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Werth

although its slightly different with him and his injury bug.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

that

and his lack of acceptance of V-energy. That probably got him traded more than anything ;-)

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...there is something I want to talk about

The NL batters last night were better than their AL counterparts. ESPN and FOX made me expect the NL would be playing against giants. Instead, they were mere mortals.

by Connector on Jul 14, 2010 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

NL pitching

proved to be the David to their Goliath

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

except for corey hart who had the 2 worst ab's in all-star history

honestly, awful. I hope that wasn’t enough to convince sabean not to empty the farm system for him as has been rumored.

he also looks ridiculous with that beard, bleached hair, poser puka chain look – dude you’re a 30 year old baseball player in milwaukee, not a 19 year old from south torrance

by lchristmas on Jul 14, 2010 9:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

MLBTR says

that the Brewers asked for either Jonathan Sanchez or Madison Bumgarner for Hart.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

That seems fair for both sides.

by robotmadeofnails on Jul 14, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

bumgarner is untouchable for a corey-hart-level talent at this point…

I might give up sanchez if i’m them but I don’t know why milwaukee wants him — they should be looking for prospects but the giants really don’t have any

by lchristmas on Jul 14, 2010 9:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

im not a corey hart fan at all

except for “never surrender” how can you not like that

I hope sf picks him up to add to sabean’s recent string of midseason fiascoes

by lchristmas on Jul 14, 2010 9:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Uggla ain't got no alibah

No thanks. Hate his defense, like his bat but not enough to trade for him and try to cram him somewhere…

5th starter? I say give McDonald the next shot. Or Roy Oswalt. :-)

Main competition? Same team I’ve said since before the season started, the Rockies. All teams in division are flawed, but the Rox the least so. Especially when they get healthier. Think standings will be Co., LA, SD in that order but still tight, in August. With SF still within shouting distance.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

though I have nothing to base it on

Uggla looks like he’s gotten better defensively.

I’m with Underdog about the 5th starter, both choices, heh

Same with the Rockies, but we can beat’em.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah looks like Uggla's been slightly better this year

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3442&position=2B#fielding

But still fairly bad… ANyway, I agree with OB, DeWitt is fine, is getting better himself. And Beard has been more a worry. Maybe more playing time for Belli or Carroll at 2nd.

The Dodgers need to improve the depth of their pen more than anything but I fear a dumb trade. There are a few relievers out there who would help. But otherwise they can try Jansen or someone else in house (and keep Schlichting around).

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

my whole reason for bring up Uggla was that it seemed like the Marlins would give him up for relatively cheap. I’m fine with Dewitt there, but Uggla’s a pretty big bat. I think the bullpen could be helped internally, I’d like to see the FO focus on a starter. Holding out hope for Oswalt.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, go get Oswalt, then use McDonald and Jansen to bolster the bullpen.

by OB12 on Jul 14, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think DeWitt is going to hold his own and be productive the remainder of the season, so I don’t see the need to get Uggla. We just need Beard to pick it up a bit. Let’s get a pitcher!

by OB12 on Jul 14, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The Rockies are our main competition, but the Dodgers hold a clear advantage over them down the stretch: The Dodgers will play 10 of their last 22 games with sub .500 clubs. The Rox will only 6/22. The Padres: 4/22

by Connector on Jul 14, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can Uggla play left? I guess he does not hit like a LF though.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is anyone else we will be able to acquire between now and 2011 hit any better though?

We could even have him play 2nd and move Dewitt to 3rd, depending on how much Casey declines. I’m not a huge fan of uggla because of his defense, but is he a worse defender at 2nd then Blake is at 3rd, and wouldn’t Dewitt be a solid defensive 3rd baseman?

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unless Ely starts dominating in AAA, I don’t see him up again until September.

McDonald deserves another chance to start. But it’s fish or cut bait time.

by silverwidow on Jul 14, 2010 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Aug. 7 sounds good for a TBLA night for me.

Especially if Strasburg is pitching, that’d be awesome! Er, I mean, it’ll be awesome when the Dodgers inflate that kid’s ERA for the first time. :)

by Jesse S. on Jul 14, 2010 9:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Aug 6/7

As suggested here, I bought fastball alley tickets for Aug 6 to go along with my baseline seats for Aug 7.

BTW: Jon Weisman originally suggested Aug 7 as the day Strasburg plays at Dodger Stadium, which led me to buy the Aug 7 tickets. But since Jim Riggelman said Strasburg will start game 1 of the second half, that puts him in line for Aug 6. If you’re looking to have a TBLA night on Strasburg Day, it sounds like the 6th is your bet.

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

We have to do a Saturday or Sunday

so that our main man can attend, because without Eric it is simply Dodger fans getting together not a TBLA night.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

TBLA Night

i filled up gas @ 76 a bunch of times and got free tickets. if anyone is interested in having the game on sunday i’d be more than happy to provide tickets. not sure where they will be but I’m sure they will be in the reserve section.

by raj m on Jul 14, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

holy crap

did not see that one coming.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah – total surprise. Escobar is having an off year, Gonzalez is having the season of a lifetime (for him), so it’ll be real interesting to see how this pans out….

The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 14, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gonzalez surprises me, but the Braves have been discussing moving Escobar for awhile now. He’s supposedly a head case.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 14, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alex G

17 HRs = good.
.296 OBP = lol.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great Point, UD. Not exactly a stellar OBP

The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 14, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, which makes me laugh.

Sort of like Ken Rosenthal and co. got pantsed. Ha ha. You missed it!

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Saw this coming after his play that almost killed Glaus.

by Alex41592 on Jul 14, 2010 9:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

tim collins headed to atlana

hes 5’5

20 years old

in AA

striking out like 15 batter per 9 innings

LOL

by matthewmafa on Jul 14, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

wat

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's a freak

I didn’t know who he was until someone brought him a couple weeks ago on minorleagueball.com.

by Julio Nievas on Jul 14, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

5'7", and 155 lbs, but yeah

13.6 K/9 career in the minors. Of course he’s a lefty.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

joe girardi

a worthy heir to the “great manager” legacy of torre… 34 man roster and he manages to leave a-rod on the bench and a crippled big papi on base in the 9th -

tying run or no, I would have seriously considered having a pitcher run there and worrying about it later…

perhaps joe was still distracted by the mccarver interview:

“did you know whose house cliff lee rented in seattle?”

(waits to see if joe is actually going to answer or take a guess)

“ummmmn no.”

“jamie moyer” (said as though this is fascinating information)

“hmmmn lefty to lefty” (look on face says “somebody shoot me in the ear”

does someone from mlb watch these games and listen to these two insufferable fuckheads (don’t get me started on buck’s patented “lean back in booth in late innings” booth shot) and think it is good television? really?

/preaches to choir

(thank you mccann on behalf of hong-chih kuo)

by lchristmas on Jul 14, 2010 9:15 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Did McCarver really ask him that?

And, yeah, I thought they should have run for Papi, that’s why I was asking in the game thread last night.

by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

An AL pitcher running the bases

might have been equally comical.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to think that an average little leaguer could have reached second base on that

it really wasn’t the lack of speed, it was the horrible instincts and bad jump – it was quite obvious that the ball wasn’t going to be caught – Byrd still made a pretty weak throw and STILL got him easily

of course, if the game hadnt been so mismanaged he would have had a player left to run…

by lchristmas on Jul 14, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think

an AL pitcher is no guarantee not to also bring horrible instincts and a bad jump.

Charlie Manuel, the guy we like to think is an idiot (Omar Infante? His reason for Andre Ethier in CF?) did manage to have THREE CFs (Bourne, Young and Byrd) in his OF at the end of the game.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're right about the AL pitcher

but it shouldn’t have come to that — and my other thought that you beat me to was ….. “haha, outmanaged by manuel”

reminded me of a few years ago watching the vikings against some team I can’t remember (buts lets say it was the marty morninweg lions) – vikings win on some boneheaded coaching move by the other team – a full 10 minutes after the game ends my friend who has not said a word the whole time and is well into a handle of cheap rum (monday night football on the east coast ends LATE) utters the words in a drunken monotone that still crack me up to this day:

“outsmarted … by tice”

you probably had to be there, trust me it was funny

by lchristmas on Jul 14, 2010 3:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Random Thoughts

Wow, I saw the Uggla thing and for a moment thought it was a real rumor.

Other random thoughts for a random day:

1. I was wrong about FOX turning the game into a “Yankeefest,” and humbly admit my error.
2. Maybe it’s my blue bias, or just the way the FOX home plate camera kept showing the I-5 traffic beyond center field, but I didn’t think the Big A looked all that great on TV.
3. Did last night’s save really change the Dodger world, as the Times implies? I’ve seen the Blue Ox get plenty of big saves, although I’m sure the statement from Manuel was appreciated.
4. If the Jays are dealing, look for one of their pitchers in LA soon.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 14, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

3. "As the Times implies?"

Well, to be accurate, its as Bill (I spend my free time at Nudist Colonies)* Plaschke implies, and he isn’t exactly known for his balance and even tempered style. The dude is nothing but hyperbole and wild claims, all in an attempt to draw people to one person, HIM! I don’t see how he can compare a save in an All Star Game to a save opportunity in a Championship Series game, one means you advance and win the pennant, the other means you might have home field advantage, maybe. Its sort of nuts.

*BP admitted as much on Around the Horn the other day. Is that not the scariest and ugliest thought you can imagine? Naked Bill P? Ewwwwwwwwww.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Jul 14, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dilbeck too, not just BP. But Plaschke naked??? Shudder!

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 14, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

that nearly got flagged for inappropriate. shudder

by raj m on Jul 14, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

3. Did someone say that now Broxton really is a lockdown closer after last night or something stupid as hell like that?

4. I wouldn’t mind some Blue Jays pitching.

"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"

by Ivdown on Jul 14, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plaschke

wrote a glowing article about him finally coming through on the big stage and all that. He’s such a fucking hypocrite. He was the one advocating making Sherrill the closer last year when Brox was struggling a bit.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Platschke is the biggest POS writer out there

even moreso than Rosenfail.

What’s next, “The Dodgers don’t need an ace, they have 3!!!”

"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"

by Ivdown on Jul 14, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

he'd do it

don’t think for a second he wouldn’t. He’ll be heaping praise on Billz, saying how he silenced the naysayers, not mentioning he was the biggest one.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

and talking about Jays pitching

I’ll take Marcum if he’s healthy.

Or Romero( hahaha psyke!!!)

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=5378212

Forensics show Frank owns all of the Dodgers.

"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson

by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 9:19 AM PDT reply actions  

It is very clever

"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson

by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting stuff.

Examining everything, even the staple! Hopefully this is a turning point in the case.

by Jesse S. on Jul 14, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oy

Even if Frank McCourt’s claims prove correct, news was not all good for him Tuesday. In a court filing, McCourt said he had to borrow money from his brother to pay the $650,000 he owed Jamie McCourt in spousal support. He said he has also borrowed $650,000 from one business associate and $150,000 from another business associate.

The claim said McCourt’s personal liquidity is down to $600,000 — making it nearly impossible for him to pay the more than $600,000 in monthly support the court ruled he must pay Jamie. He said he applied for a personal line of credit “in the range of $5 to $10 million” from a bank and was denied.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats so messed up

I’m starting to feel bad for Frank in all this divorce stuff.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t feel bad. If he can own a sports team but is so highly leveraged that his personal liquidity really is down to $600K, then this is a bear he has brought upon himself.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

well

I don’t think he should have ever been allowed to own the team, but this whole divorce thing sucks.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly. I mean, she cheats on him publicly and he’s the one who gets to pay $600K a month.

She’s the Tiger Woods here.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

and

she was seemingly trying to get him to make her co-owner while cheating on him and planning to divorce him? What a wench.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me

that the whole point of spousal support is that it isn’t “his money” and “her money.” It’s “their money.” He is the one that is earning it on paper, but in real life, people entwine their lives.

That’s why we have no-fault divorce. As soon as you start to assign blame, things get out of hand.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

The money should be divied out

during the divorce. Spousal support can continue for years after the divorce.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is probably not a good issue to try to go into here

but the wiki article has a ton of info about it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimony#Alimony_Reform_in_the_U.S.A.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think we need to cut off this convo

…but one last, quick, and I hope uncontroversial point before I do:

It would not surprise me if the results of the McCourt proceedings look very unlike the majority of divorce cases. There is so much more at stake. I have no idea what kind of weight the commissioner intends to give to any of the different aspects that are under his discretion.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are correct.

Once a couple is married, anything that either spouse earns goes into the “community” fund unless.

by Jesse S. on Jul 14, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

At least they don't have any more minor children.

Jamie would likely be getting a lot more if that were the case.

by Jesse S. on Jul 14, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers are estimated to be worth nearly $800 million, and the team will be worth much more than that when it regains broadcasting rights from Fox in 2013.

If the team is able to establish a television station akin to the Yankees’ YES Network, it could potentially generate billions of dollars in revenue. The homes Jamie McCourt would walk away with would be worth around $100 million. …

How legit is this???

by Julio Nievas on Jul 14, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on how much weight you put on that word “if,” I suppose.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, that caught my attention as well!

"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson

by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Billions" would have to be over multiple years, of course

Here is an excerpt from the Newark Star Ledger on Steinbrenner’s death that is relevant to this:

According to industry analyst SNL Kagan, the YES Network pulled in $417.1 million in revenue last year — the most of any regional sports network in the country.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course

I would not expect the Dodgers to pull in that much in one year.

by Julio Nievas on Jul 14, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t the Dodgers actually have quite poor ratings, at least compared to other teams/other LA-centric programming? Where did I read that?

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

And if so, why could the Dodgers expect to have a Yankee-level revenue stream?

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last night I think they said the Yankees are worth $1.5 Billion

The Dodgers value wouldn’t double over a network, but it would probably get to $1.1-$1.2 Billion.

"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson

by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

In relation to payroll

Even an extra 20-25MM for us an another 75MM per year to the owner would make us a better team. Imagine, if you will, being willing and able to sign Kemp, Ethier, Billingsley, Kershaw, Broxton to long term deal and sign Adrian Gonzalez as a free agent. Shall be nice, and well deserved by us I might add.

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well deserved by us?

Why? Because we were fortunate enough to grow up in a big city and follow the Dodgers?

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because we didn’t say “Fuck it” during the Fox years.

by prosellis on Jul 14, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

for putting up with shit like Fox and McDivorce Court. And the 90’s. And because dammit it’s the Los Angeles Dodgers some small market scrub franchise begging for a few prospects to hit every 10 years.

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

We are special

Why are we special? Because we are!

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

ok well desrved to me

i don’t live in USA, so i actually pick the dodgers as a team

by XXDC2XX on Jul 14, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

you chose well, my friend.

by keithc13 on Jul 14, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

getting to hate the giants

has been probably the best part of the pick

by XXDC2XX on Jul 14, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did y'all see...

That catch by Ryan Braun. What great range!!!

"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson

by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 9:20 AM PDT reply actions  

the MLB tonight guys

were just suprised he didn’t break his wrist.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

and then they are like for all those who dont know ryan braun because he plays in milwake

this is what he does…..

realy tho?? last i heard defense is not one of his strong suits

by matthewmafa on Jul 14, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was busy thinking of 20 other left fielders who would have simply ran to that spot and caught the ball without having to dive :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

The same ones that weren't at the All-Star game?

Your a funny guy!

"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson

by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Holliday would have

taken it off the sack.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got very scared!

I need that man healthy on my fantasy team! :)

by Jesse S. on Jul 14, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

So do I!

"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson

by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

uggla

anyone else thinking it would be prudent to trade Uggla and move him to 3b? Next year is Blake’s last year of a 3 year deal and he’s falling off a cliff right now. Also with the lack of any mlb ready 3b prospects, Uggla buys us time until a long term solution. Meanwhile, Blake can be super utility next year playing sporadically at 1b (with loney), lf (with X paul), and sometimes 3b.

I think this would work out well.

by npurcell on Jul 14, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

i think the Giants

were interested in doing something like that in the offseason with him. I remember Uggla saying he preferred to stay at second.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they did that they'd be better off moving DeWitt back to third and having Uggla at 2nd no?

on defense I imagine as bad as he is at 2nd he’s that much worse at 3rd…

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by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or if you don’t trade DeWitt, move DeWitt back to third where he was excellent. Sure his bat doesn’t play there, but when you’ve got a Jeff Kent type hitter at 2B it would offset it.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

i said something similar

in the other thread. I like BDW at third.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

August 7th would be fine for me for a TBLA game most likely. A friend is visiting from Florida, but she will likely be busy that Saturday night. So I think I would likely be down to go.

Dan Uggla would be a nice addition to this team on offense, but his defense would be lacking I’m sure. Even so, I’ll take the offense over the defense, as long as it doesn’t cost any top prospects.

Mcdonald deserves another shot at the 5th starter job, let’s see what he can do.

I’m most worried about the Rockies, and with Tulo coming back in the 2nd half at some point, the Dodgers have a lot to worry about with them.

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by Ivdown on Jul 14, 2010 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Put me down for the 7th, that sounds fun.

If McDonald is doing well in AAA, then he should get a shot at the 5th spot. I’d rather have Oswalt, but who knows if that’s going to happen.

I’m thinking that the Rockies, like always, will have a super impressive march up the standings in a few weeks.

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by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 9:34 AM PDT reply actions  

James will get a shot at the spot

before any trade are made, methinks. If they do trade for someone, he might go back in the pen until next season.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think....

That the TBLA gang should make a trip down to SD (again) and have a get together down there. That would be fun :)

by Lidlbit on Jul 14, 2010 9:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh sure

now that you are headed down that way.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's not the only reason

Come on it’s the next closest stadium that the dodgers play in and it’s a nice park. Plus it’s always fun to go see them play in other stadiums, and in San Diego we can wear our Dodgers gear and not get threatened :)

by Lidlbit on Jul 14, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wanted to go see the Dodgers play in SD

but no more weekend games left of that variety :(

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by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I get

For not checking the schedule on that one sorry guys :)

by Lidlbit on Jul 14, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad, I was thinking about doing a Petco trip later in the year if it was on the weekend.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

They're in Petco on Labor Day

If you work on Labor Day, get a new job.

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by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have you ever tried to drive to SD on labor day?

protip: fucking don’t.

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by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could take the train though....

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by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

but I drove to Vegas on Valentine’s Day. Got drunk, lost a tooth, stole a tiger, yet somehow managed to stay single and herp-free.

You haven’t seen traffic until you see Vegas on V-Day.

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by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

You haven’t seen traffic until you see Paseo de la Reforma in Mexico City at 6pm on any given day.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very true

though I have no intention of finding out in person.

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by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s fun there. Everybody should go once.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

You clearly do not have the commitment to be road trip guy.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha. I must say your commitment to road trips has fascinated me. But ya, every time I’ve planned a roadtrip it hasn’t happened. I’m weak like that.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

My travel partner is weak now. He prefers to stay home and watch UCLA vs. Houston in 100 degree Rose Bowl in SEP instead of Dodgers at Houston.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I went down there for the Friday game when they swept them in May!

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by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

on the surface that looks like a great trade for the BlueJays. I’ve yet to see how a sub .300 OBP helps a team but I’m glad the Braves think it does. Escobar must have been a bigger head then anyone thought to have been traded so cheaply.

A left side of Escobar and Encarnacion could be interesting.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Encarnacion was cut about a month ago.

by Tripon on Jul 14, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was outrighted to AAA. He’s still in the organization

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really

he was sent to the minors to get his head straight. Did that and has been on big club since July 3rd.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=encared01&t=b&year=2010

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since there’s no realistic way to get/afford Roy Oswalt, how about an unrealistic one:

Dodgers get: Roy Oswalt, Andy Sonnastine, a lot of money
Astros get: Jeremy Hellickson, Dee Gordon, Alexander Torres
Rays get: Matt Kemp, Matt Lindstrom

By 2012 one of our core guys will be gone if we don’t improve our finances, so a trade will have to happen eventually, if we do it now, we can get top value. Losing Kemp hurts short term, but right now he’s the least productive part of our core players, and his role can be filled by a Johnson/Paul platoon.

Oswalt gives us the arm we need now and covers us for next year. Meanwhile Sonnanstine can fill the Vicente Padilla unexciting pitcher role for the next couple years for cheaper than it would cost on the free agent market. With the money freed up from Kemp and Padilla, we can make a serious run at Werth, or anyone else we want on the free agent market.

With Kemp, the Rays can move Ben Zobrist back to second, and not face the offensive drop off they’ll have in 2011 when they lose Pena and Crawford. There’s a great chance Kemp will come back to haunt us, and if we can’t get Werth our offense looks bad in the next couple years, but these things happen when your core gets expensive and you have no money.

The Astros get possibly the best player in the minors and two high upside guys. Can’t ask for much more for Roy Oswalt.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Getting Roy Oswalt to fill a hole is pointless if you then create two other ones. Losing Gordon leaves us Shortstopless if raffy leaves after next season, and Kemp only had one bad month. He is still on pace to hit more homers this year than last and only needs 3 or 4 good games in a row to get his batting average up. What we need for next year is a true CF so Kemp can slide to right and Ethier to left.

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by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still have DeJesus, and Gordon is far from a sure thing.

This really comes down to someone will have to go in the next couple years, and Matt Kemp has more downside than the other options.

Do agree that we’re probably giving up too much though.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Kemp has more downside than the other options.

He also has far, far more upside than anyone else and is still on pace for over 30 home runs this year. The guy missed out on 4 homers in the Cubs series on balls that came just short. If he had 20 homers at the break would you still be looking to dump him for Andy Sonnenstine?

Give it another two weeks, I think he’ll pleasantly surprise you.

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by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, I know Matt Kemp is good, his game is also based on speed that seems to be dropping. Point is that someone needs to go soon, and while Kemp for Oswalt might not be the best choice, it’s better than Kemp for some scrubs from the Yankees when we get desperate in a couple years.

And saying I want to trade Kemp for Sonnanstine is like saying the Mariners traded Cliff Lee for a rapist.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

His game is also based on hitting 400 foot oppo bombs.

I said Kemp for Sonnanstine because trading Kemp for a year of Oswalt is crazy. Disregarding the costs involved, you don’t trade a 25 year old all star caliber centerfielder and middle of the order bat for a 33 year old pitcher with back problems.

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by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oswalt is under contract through 2011, and I would imagine acquiring him would involve picking up that 2012 option. So we are talking two, maybe three playoff runs; not “one year.”

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but we would have to fill 2/3 of our OF for next season. I imagine Paul would get a spot, but then who?

by OB12 on Jul 14, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we’re trading Kemp, that’s an extra 8 million freed up, so Werth or something.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not an advocate of Kemp for Oswalt, but just wanted to make sure all the Oswalt facts were on the table.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

What I meant was

If we add Oswalt’s salary and lose Kemp, it’s unlikely in my eyes that we compete beyond this year. Oswalt would still have 2 good years with us, but the only run I see it helping us with is this year. I don’t see us having the money to get Oswalt and sign Werth.

All my assumptions, and I could be wrong. Your figures, of course, are all accurate and welcome.

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by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

The main reason why I gave up so freaking much is that I figured it would take a deal like that to get the Astros to eat the salary.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I would rather take on Zambrano, with the Cubs eating the majority of his contract, than trade Kemp. In fact, Zambrano may be a good buy low candidate.

by OB12 on Jul 14, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pitcher with back problems having a career year.

The 2011 Dodgers are going to have a giant hole somewhere. We need another good, cheapish pitcher and those just aren’t easy to come by. Kemp for Oswalt is probably too drastic, but a rotation that goes Kershaw/Bills/Padilla like guy/Ely/McDonald is kind of terrifying.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, right now that’s the 2011 rotation. And this is the lineup….

Furcal
Kemp
Ethier
Loney
Blake
DeWitt
Martin
Paul

…and somebody will remind me for sure, but I think the payroll is $95 million. That lineup is scary enough; take out Kemp? I dunno.

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by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Less than that, we have about 10 million to spend assuming McCourt doesn’t cut all new expenses.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

At some point soon I need to revise the payroll sheet, because the 2011 payroll includes George Sherrill making $6.5 million, which will not happen.

But still, the budget will be tight, for sure.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

5 SB in the last week 0 CS

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by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

If that’s not a significant sample size, I don’t know what is.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

15 for 25 on the year, a big drop in BABIP and much worse defense. Whatever you think of Kemp “he’s slower” shouldn’t be a controversial statement.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Basically the same, slightly lower. All his batted ball stuff is in line with last year.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

As I said during his benching...

Kemp mentally checked out. Obviously since he came back, he is playing the way he knows how to. 5/5 SB, 4HR and BABIP .294

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by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

.294 is really low for Kemp. Coming into this year he had the fourth highest of all time. If he keeps hitting dingers he’ll be a good player, just different than what we’re used to.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we are trading Matt Kemp

I’d want a lot more then Roy Oswalt, I don’t care how much the Astro’s are picking up. Sorry Reg this looks like a terrible deal for us. Great deal for the Rays and Astro’s. I don’t like being the 3rd wheel and getting the least. Roy Oswalt is not what he was, why pay for him like he was.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate you for even suggesting this

Fuck this deal straight in the heart.

Ps, why would we trade one of the biggest keys to the offense when our offense is a bigger ? than our pitching.

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by Ivdown on Jul 14, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because our offense isn’t a bigger ? than our pitching. We’re better at scoring runs than preventing them.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

We’ve been shut out 9 times this season, and until recently the offense has really been a bigger problem than the pitching. Even with the 5th starter being in question, the 1-4 on this team is incredibly solid, unless you are going by ERA+, which would be like the 6th thing I would rate a pitcher by.

You take Kemp out of this lineup and just look how bad it will be…Kemp needs to be in the lineup and on the team.

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by Ivdown on Jul 14, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Btw

I’m obviously not serious about the hate, I just think it’s unthinkable to trade Kemp for anyone that is not a superstar, plus I don’t think there’s any way to trade him for pitching without replacing his value on offense.

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by Ivdown on Jul 14, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

We score lots of runs. We prevent an average amount of runs.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess the big issue for me with this trade is… let’s say this all goes according to plan. The Dodgers deal from a position of some strength (offense, even though it’s gonna get worse next year when Manny goes) to shore up a position of some weakness (starting pitching). Let’s say Dodgers continue to score runs — not at the same clip, but at an acceptable rate, and Oswalt pitches well… in other words, the trade works out.

Then the Dodgers still need at least one outfielder, and that guy probably has to play center. Who is available?

But the big question I have is: is that team a contender? If it is…. then OK, maybe I can bite. But I don’t know. You know I"m not convinced that the ‘11 team is a contender right now, and I wonder if the upgrade to the bottom line of Oswalt over Kemp is enough to get it done. Maybe I’m wrong about that.

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by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t know if the 2011 team is a contender until it takes shape. I think in 2008 no one thought ‘you know, Vicente Padilla would look great in Dodger Blue’.

I do not, however, like the idea of trading anyone who has won an award (legitimate or otherwise, they were at least in the conversation) before they hit free agency. Trade your prospects who have some risk involved still. Don’t trade the guys you know are young, cheap(ish) and talented. Those are the guys you build a team around, not who you trade away.

Again, my opinion.

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by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

There’s no easy answers right now. Maybe you grab a defense first centerfielder who got non tendered, but right now that guy might not even exist. The only reason I would even suggest this is things get ugly in 2012, and saving the 20 or so million coming to Kemp in the next two years could be huge.

Since punting and getting prospects is out of the question, finding ways to save money while still being competitive is really important. Again, Kemp for Oswalt is probably going too far, but we’re gonna have to make moves like that in the future.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the future means 2012, I’d keep kicking the can down the road. Their may well be resolution on the ownership issue before anything needs to be done. Who knows, liquidity might not be an issue in 2012 so we can wait to cross that bridge until we get to it.

If team blows in 2011, at that point the Dodgers can punt and reload the prospect ranks.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am actually counting on it happening. Unfortunately.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which part? Sucking in 2011, or resolution to the ownership question by 2012?

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It seems too early to give up hope

Perhaps McDonald will finally establish himself in the majors, and Ely will steady himself enough to be at least a good 5th starter. Some combination of Jansen Elbert and Lindblom could solidify the bullpen.

Our offense will almost certainly take a hit though with Manny gone.

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by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I don’t think the team will be good next year or even the year after, and we all know that there is a rebuilding coming. However, that’s still three years away. Anything, including a next wave of young talent, could happen by then.

There is no need to make a radical move now.

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by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are crazy with your

beliefs we will not be good next year. You would think after watching Manny this year you would not be so worried about LF after this year.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I certainly hope you’re right. I’ll be happy to be wrong.

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by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thinking about this

Manny has still be a hitter this year. Yeah, he’s been hurt — he’s only got about, what, 2/3 of the PA that he should. But his OPS+ is 155.

His replacement on paper for next year, Paul, has 94 PA and an OPS+ of 78.

I don’t want to judge Paul’s defense — I’m sure that would even the score somewhat — but as a hitter, Paul is literally half the player that Manny is.

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by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

but you also have to account for the fact that Manny is only a hitter, not a fielder, not a runner. His LF replacements have been Paul and Reed and Reed can match what Manny has done against LHP. You are only telling 1/2 the story. Finding a LF platoon who can play a complete game of baseball should not be difficult to replace the 2010 version of Manny.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, let’s assume that Johnson or a Johnson lookalike plays against LHP next year.

That means the Dodgers need a guy who can hit righties, field well, not be an embarrassment on the basepaths, and — this is key — not expect to start every day. Who fits that bill? I mean, look at Ethier. He’s a different case, of course, but he doesn’t hit lefties well and he doesn’t field well and he still starts every day.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying: convince me. Name me a player who would provide Manny’s value on offense and defense against RHP, be affordable, and not expect to start against LHP.

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by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sands!

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by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

XPaul?

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by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Manny’s defense THAT bad that it eliminates the difference between a 155 OPS+ and a 78 OPS+?

Maybe it is, and I defer to you — but if it is, wow.

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by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It isn’t. Manny’s replacement is going to be less valuable than Manny, but not by as much as you think.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Paul really a 78OPS+ player

based on so few at bats? No, he will do just fine in a platoon.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again, hope you’re right.

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by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Besides

I would not be surprised if we are looking for a CF not a LF next year.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

Nyjer Morgan?

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by uclatroy on Jul 14, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

if the Yankees sign Crawford

We trade for Brett Gardner?

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by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brett Gardner isn't going anywhere

They can just get rid of Granderson

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by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wouldn’t start until Monday, so I would expect Link to stick around through the St. Louis series, giving them an extra reliever for those four games.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why are we convinced it is JMac instead of Ely when that spot is needed vs. Giants?

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

because barring an injury, Ely can’t be recalled for 10 days

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that is 9 days.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Has to be down for 10 days. The earliest Ely could come up (without someone going on the DL) is Wednesday

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good news for Mike on Monday then.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Having said that

Do you think he will pitch again in ABQ? He started 3 days ago, there’s no game today, but wouldn’t he rest five days until his next start? What I mean is, Monday is five days away, I would think if he does pitch, then he wouldn’t pitch again in ABQ (he pitched three days ago), right?

by Julio Nievas on Jul 14, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

but it still doesn’t mean we should bring him up until we need him to actually play.

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by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just hope he comes fresh and un-rusted. Might a bullpen appearance in ABQ possible?

by Julio Nievas on Jul 14, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure all that is taken care of. He’ll either throw a simulated game to set him up for the start, or he’ll do his normal routine, start in ABQ and they’ll pick someone else for the big league start.

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by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

He will probably throw a bullpen session on the side in between

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm so excited!

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by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

1. I’ll think about the plusses and minusses of the first half. Maybe later.

2. Uggla. There are several machinations above in which an Uggla trade might make sense, but let’s not kid ourselves: if he comes here, he’s playing second base. In fact, DeWitt might even be one of the pieces traded for him. Dunno if I can get on board.

3. McDonald, I guess. No option is perfect.

4. I am already attending the August 7 game in my regular seats in the loge, near left field. If you guys are there, I’ll stop by with Spawn for a chat.

5. I want to say Rockies, but I will say Padres until the Padres prove otherwise.

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by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

The Dodger MB officialy sucks, so...

Here I am. Doubt I will post much here, but this is an awesome site:)

I’ll do minuses first. The bullpen besides Broxton and Kuo. I seriously thought the pen was our biggest strength going into the season. The 5th starter. I thought Ely saved us, now he has to save himself. Padilla, Andre, Furcal, Manny, Billingsley, Kuo, Belisario, Blake, and Im sure Ive missed a few, all lost time to injury or missed to time due to various reasons. Blake hasnt really missed time, but the beard, did. I guess you could put Haeger in there too, with his broken knuckleball. Matt Kemp, and his rapid fall to mediocrity. Million dollar talent.. nickel thought process. He is better than this.

Positives.. Broxton and Kuo. For obvious reasons. If we have the lead after 7, weve won. John Ely. Hes struggled lately, but hes been alot of fun to watch when he is pitching well. Andre, where would this team be without him before he broke his pinky? Furcal, the man is playing like he is posessed. Kershaw.. yes his time has arrived, and yes he is one of the better pitchers in the league. Bills, solid though unspectacular. hes my team fave, so its great to see him going good again. Blake DeWitt, for taking 2nd by the balls and getting it done. Jamey Carroll, who always gets on base when its needed, and terrorizing pitchers when he is on. I think the biggest plus this year goes to the Human Vaccum at first, Mr. James Loney. He is the first half MVP for this team. I know, he dosent hit for power, but he is the biggest clutch hitter on the team. Dre gets the rec for his walk offs, James does it almost everyday it seems. And when did he learn to steal bases?

Positives.. Broxton and Kuo. For obvious reasons. If we have the lead after 7, weve won. John Ely. Hes struggled lately, but hes been alot of fun to watch when he is pitching well. Andre, where would this team be without him before he broke his pinky? Furcal, the man is playing like he is posessed. Kershaw.. yes his time has arrived, and yes he is one of the better pitchers in the league. Bills, solid though unspectacular. hes my team fave, so its great to see him going good again. Blake DeWitt, for taking 2nd by the balls and getting it done. Jamey Carroll, who always gets on base when its needed, and terrorizing pitchers when he is on. I think the biggest plus this year goes to the Human Vaccum at first, Mr. James Loney. He is the first half MVP for this team. I know, he dosent hit for power, but he is the biggest clutch hitter on the team. Dre gets the rec for his walk offs, James does it almost everyday it seems. And when did he learn to steal bases?Its going to be a tough 2nd half. The Padres are for real, but need a bat, and a veteran arm. Tracys Rockies are heating up, and the Giants still need a bat. If we are to take this to the next level, we need to stay healthy, and get another FOTR arm. I think we could use a bat in the infield. We need more production from either 2nd or 3rd. The Blakes need to turn it up offensively. The pen is cool, we need Sherrill to be Sherrill, and not waste yet more talent on bullpen arms. Maybe Kenley Jansen needs to get here and prove he get MLers out.

by darrelld on Jul 14, 2010 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

HA

I had a reply fail. Don’t worry, it happens to everyone. :)

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hella?

You’re one of THEM!

Back in your NorCal cage!

Just kidding, welcome.

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

As soon as I see or hear hella, I immediately think Northern California.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I lived and played ball in Sonoma for 2 years

hearing hella almost compares to my hatred of people who refer to freeways as numbers and not nouns. “take 101 to 116” fuck you it’s “The 101”

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

We are the oddity there. In other parts of the country, they don’t put articles in front of freeways.

In Oregon, they called it I-5, I-205,etc. Only we bang out a “the” in front of it.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

the is easier than I

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

BUT

What if it’s not an interstate? Do they say Take I-5 to H12?

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then they just use the number.

So it’s, “Take I-5 to 26.”

Ours flows much easier and you don’t have to know if it’s an interstate or not. “Take the 5 to the 118.”

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get confused when people say “Take the Santa Ana Freeway to the San Diego Freeway.”

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Names of the freeways are crap too, because they change. The Hollywood Freeway is both the 170 and the 101. The Ventura Freeway is the 101 and 134.

In both instances the freeways merge together eventually, but can be confusing when listening to a traffic report and not really paying attention.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just remember

Odd numbered Highways go North-South
Even numbered High Ways go -East-West

"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson

by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

110 and 710 disagree.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also

that advice isn’t especially useful to anyone trying to get across the SFV.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right. The 101 runs East/West in the Valley, but big picture it runs North/South.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

"The 101"

Always throws me off with that. I always have to think twice.

"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson

by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

55

says heyo

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its all about OC with you….

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its like I live there or something...

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only thing good about the OC

Was “The OC” Luckily I have Soap channel reruns

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have never, thankfully, heard it put that way. In fact, if someone uses the actual name of the freeway you should smack them right then and there.

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t most traffic updates on radio and TV use names?

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t listen to traffic updates. My daily commute is about a mile and a half down one street. I assume you’re right though.

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still confused by Slauson Cutoff

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

that was one of my favorite lame jokes when I first moved up here

Q: “How many East Bay teens does it take to screw in a lightbulb?”
A: “Hella.”

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by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hi!

I totally agree with you about Carroll and Billz. I wasn’t wildly enthused about Carroll’s signing but he’s totally made a fan out of me. Which is why I’d be sad to let him go.

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

He’s our best bench guy, and it’s not even close. He should’ve been an all-star for crying out loud!

by Julio Nievas on Jul 14, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was weird to see MLBTR include him on the list

 of possibly tradeable SS/2Bs this week. They even kind of admitted it was unlikely he’d be traded so I don’t know why they wasted their time or ours. The Dodgers love him, he’s been valuable and even with all that probably wouldn’t fetch much in trade.

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by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that seems more likely

but he’s played so little I wonder if anyone would even be interested in him.

More likely than trading GA to anyone though! :-/

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by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he's been in the league long enough

that teams know he can contribute more with consistent playing time. plus we got Russ Mitchell in ABQ who can basically do what he does.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this. Wouldn’t mind getting something for Belliard and then giving a bench spot to Mitchell or John Lindsey.

by OB12 on Jul 14, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mitchell can play anywhere but SS I think. Lindsey is only a 1B, I’d like to see him get a callup like Jones did last year.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Mitchell would be the more likely replacement. However, if we traded Belliard, what we are really looking for is someone who can fill the RH PH role, since Carroll can play 2B/SS/3B. In that sense Lindsey could be a good option, but Mitchell being younger and more versatile is probably the better bet.

by OB12 on Jul 14, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tony Jackson says the Dodgers still don’t have an “unquestioned ace.” Fuck that noise. Kershaw’s 10+ K/9 and sub-3 BB/9 over his last 10 starts say otherwise.

by silverwidow on Jul 14, 2010 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

fewer than you'd think

and then, they can have questions from season to season. Look at Greinke.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since unquestioned ace includes guys that Kershaw is better than like Johan and Chris Carpenter, more than you’d think.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

can we put a % on that?

an ace is what, top 10% of all starting pitchers in mlb?

So now, how do we define the criteria…using WAR? ERA+? what?

by npurcell on Jul 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I did a run through with some friends on who we thought were aces

There are no more than about 22 people who could be considered an ace in all of baseball. I want to get a list together, but it may take some time.

"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"

by Ivdown on Jul 14, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

This list is people who have established themselves as an ace, not just people who have ace stuff

Ubaldo
Linecum
Kershaw
Wainwright
Carpenter
Oswalt
Halladay
Josh Johnson
Johan
Felix
Weaver
Lee
Verlander
Greinke
CC
Lester

There are other pitchers like Gallardo, Hanson, Jurrjens, Price, Liriano, and a few others, who are border line, but either haven’t really dominated enough as of yet to be an ace. I fully expect Hanson and Price to be considered aces by the start of next year or the middle of next year. Another just off the list would be John Danks, who is very good, I’m just not sure an ace as of yet.

If you go off the list I made there are 16 on it. Obviously not everyone will agree with me, but I think this is generally who people would consider aces, and players that SHOULD be considered aces.

"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"

by Ivdown on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I expect the Nationals’ ace to make headlines next year.

by silverwidow on Jul 14, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yes, Strasburg will likely have ace status next year, but I wouldn’t give it to him as of yet.

"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"

by Ivdown on Jul 14, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tony Jackson seems to think that the Dodgers should have an ace that would top ANY rotation, which is unfair.

Guys like that are precious few: Josh Johnson and Halladay come to mind.

by silverwidow on Jul 14, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t that mean only one team would have an ace?

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Every team has a staff ace. But there aren’t that many true #1 starters in the strictest sense.

by silverwidow on Jul 14, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

i remember a bunch of articles being written about that fact in the offseason. MSTI wrote the best one I think.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

By definition, that would mean only 1 such ace exist

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone who thinks Kershaw isn’t an ace just really, really doesn’t know anything about baseball.

"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"

by Ivdown on Jul 14, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I forget

is it four outs an inning or five? I always get the rules all confused. :)

by Xeifrank on Jul 14, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just remember

a touchdown is only six points until the extra point is kicked to make it seven

by TurnItDown on Jul 14, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

BTW, we don't need to worry about left field next year

ESPN, The Decision 2

ESPN guy: so, Derek, what’s the decision?

Derek Jeter: This summer, I’ll be taking my talents to Chavez Ravine, to play for Mr. Torre again.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Furcal, Tim Wallach is my SS-MGR combo for 2011

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’ve come a long way from wanting to cut Furcal and bringing up DeJesus.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Furcal so hot that got burned from my memory.

But seriously, remember how bad Furcal was?

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

i remember the guy from Dodger Blues

asking if he anyone thought he had anything left. I think soon after that he started playing well.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

In one year he went from hitting like Russell Martin to like Andre Ethier.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Furcal's Even/Odd year pattern in LA

2006: .300/.369/.445 3.9 WAR
2007: .270/.333/.355 1.8 WAR
2008: .357/.439/.573 2.0 WAR
2009: .269/.335/.375 3.0 WAR
2010: .333/.383/.514 3.3 WAR

by StolenMonkey86 on Jul 14, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers don't pay for FA

Remember?

"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson

by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

few teams do

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Few teams are in the biggest markets

How many sell $3 million tickets a year? And we have an above average cost of tickets (and beer).

"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson

by Ego Crusher! on Jul 14, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Few teams

Don’t have their own TV rights.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Has he finally

exhausted his supply of virgins super-models and needs to come out west to preserve his unholy youth find a wife?

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Funny, there was a Twilight zone episode about this on TV last night …

by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jul 14, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure most people realized I'm joking with this

but it stemmed from a conversation I had with a co-worker who is a Yankee fan. He was just hoping the Spawn of Steinbrenner don’t screw Jeter over.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

But seriously

Frank could make a BOATLOAD by signing Jeter to play 2B

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know how stupid that sounds

as it would take at least 80/4 to get him, but having Furcal, Jeter, Ethier, Kemp would be kinda cool.

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rotation order

What will the Dodgers starting rotation order look like for the next five games? I see that Kershaw pitches the first game. What will the order be for the four games after that?
Thanks.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jul 14, 2010 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Kershaw
Bills
Kuroda
Padilla

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have a talk with your simulator. I need to prove that the ASB has not cooled me down.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

plaschke

has apparently forgiven broxton for ‘failing’ in pressure situations by saving a meaningless exhibition

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0714-plaschke-20100714,0,4148076.column

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 14, 2010 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

but Broxton has yet to mentally wrap his giant self around saving a big game. [Reharsh of two NLCS vs. Phillies]

I guess saves against the Cubs (to clinch the first LA playoff series win since 1988), the Cardinals, and an earlier one against the Phillies last year don’t count. Bill, go fuck yourself.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about

A trade for Edwin Jackson.

He probably only has a couple mill due the rest of the year, and makes 8 next year.

by pdotmac1 on Jul 14, 2010 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Arm about to be toast.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cardinals?

they might think Duncan can fix him.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is Sherrill a "pitch to contact" guy?

He always had high K and high walk rates, right? This year, his walks and hits are both way up and his Ks are way down, and that’s leading to his problems. Is he a candidate for the Duncan magic?

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not if you’re very interested in 17 bats and a crate of baseballs.

by prosellis on Jul 14, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

cange “if” to “unless”.

by prosellis on Jul 14, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is just about a 0% chance the Dodgers would get any salary relief with Sherrill, other than the pro-rated minimum (about $130k or so) if someone signs him should they end up releasing him.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

the Astros are so bad I don’t think even Ed Wade will still think they’re buyers.

by StolenMonkey86 on Jul 14, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t get that image of the Astro fan from HR Derby out of my head. He was so upset.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, man, this is kind of a dick move
On Nov. 3, 1979, Jamie Luskin married Frank McCourt in a quiet ceremony in their apartment on East 52nd Street in Manhattan, where a rabbi played piano to entertain guests. Frank showed up late, without the ring.

Link if you haven’t read the thing about the divorce on ESPN yet.

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

To be fair, the rabbi was probably butchering Just The Way You Are on the piano.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rings are overrated

it is the silliest part of the whole ceremony how millions of intelligent people have been sucked into believing spending money on jewelry is somehow tantamount to declaring one’s love.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phil:weddings::Jessica Mitford:funerals

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha

fantastic book, I accidentally bought it while in college.

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is why I asked my Grandpa for a gold ring he does not wear anymore. got it cleaned up and sized, $60 total. Only had to buy one ring.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I pretty much had a rule

if a girl wanted an expensive ring – fuck her in the heart because she would not be someone I’d be spending my life with anyway.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

or a sick sense of romance

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paging Mel Gibson!

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by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the list of reasons my wife is a keeper

She was worried I might have spent too much on her wedding ring.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

Silly, huh? ;)

It’s not the money that matters (well, to a point)…it’s more about the symbolism. Forgetting it kinda sucks.

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everything Frank does sucks. He’s evil incarnate.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I wouldn’t go that far.

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really? Haven’t read the article yet, but maybe Frank forgot Jamie’s birthday once. Then we can really hate him!

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

And he was such a crappy husband

that all these years laters she’s suing him for divorce while asking for 1, 000,000 a month in expenses. Man he did her wrong, and you could tell he was headed that way because he forgot the ring.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I realize you guys are being funny but understand that wasn’t the point I was making.

I certainly wouldn’t want my husband-to-be to forget the ring at the ceremoney. I certainly wouldn’t want him to be late, either. Of course, if I were having my wedding at my apartment, I’m fairly certain I wouldn’t be like, “Here’s the Tiffany’s catalogue, get me something from there”.

In my wildest fantasies, would I love to have the ring come in a little blue box? Of course. In this fantasy I’m also getting married to Matthew Bellamy. I’m not that stupid. :P

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

A ring in a box? So you'd want to marry Juan Pierre?

;-)

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by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's the blue box that makes it special

DUH.

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

SUCH. A GOOD. GAME.

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both.

But Portal is great.

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Orange box is so worth it. Best deal for quality games since. . . ever

"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010

by K3vo on Jul 14, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

BOTH?!?

There where 3 games! All great!

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

3 games

but I only offered TWO options!!!!

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

mine is an evil laugh

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pierre is versatile

I’m sure he would have no problem switching the color of the ‘ring-in-the-box’ box

by TurnItDown on Jul 14, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't it turquoise?

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

wtf

Its trademarked?
Tiffany Blue

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha

That’s the one!

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

But in all seriousness

everyone should read that article, and form their own opinions. For me it just made me not like either of them very much at all.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was a great read

seems like a textbook example of a man with no money but lots of ambition, marrying wealthy, tearing through her money while making it all back and she having little interest in him after he starts being successful

cause that happens, yknow, like all the time. At least in movies and on TV.

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

The box is more of a green color.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The RGB value

is (10, 186, 181) thus more green then blue, by 5… units.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was not being funny

I was being irritated and I’m not sure how there was any confusion.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Folk assume irritation when people are being sarcastic

and sarcasm when people are irritated. Interesting.

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

To avoid getting unnecessarily pissed off or annoyed

I generally assume dry humor when presented with something that is vaguely irritating. Or rather, I don’t take it super seriously. Cos I could and then get mad and then blow everything out of proportion.

But who wants that?

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

which I this is the danger (?) of an increasingly text based communication system. You don’t read with the authors intent, you read with your mood.

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to be known as “the guy who bought a shale wedding ring”.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since we are talking about anything today, is anybody curious how they are going to change up Concacaf qualifying for 2014 Brasil? I heard they are going to 3 group stages.

by delias man on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

BWAH?
“It was Frank’s plan all along to run a team with a payroll of about $80 million,” says a former high-ranking club official speaking on condition of anonymity. "His thinking since he bought the team was: ‘This isn’t the AL East. Why would I spend $150 million to win 98 games when I can spend half that to win 90, if that’s all it takes to make the playoffs in our division?’ "

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Thankfully, Colletti is denying that…

They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.

by Maddz on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

if he's a "former" high-ranking official

he’s probably one of the guys who backed Jamie and was fired.

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Colletti

is denying for job security’s sake. That sounds like exactly the kind of statement a real estate mogul would make.

“As long as we keep reaching the playoffs, the fans keep buying season tickets. Why should I try any harder? I mean look at the D-backs, they won two World Series, can’t fill shit.”

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, it sounds like something every business owener would say.

If I can get the same results spending $100 as I could spending $200, why wouldn’t I spend the $100?

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seem to recall some study from a few years ago that said that if an owner wanted to maximize profits, his payroll should be somewhere around 84-87 wins — contending but just shy of the playoffs, maybe make it if everything goes right. Spending more to make the playoffs didn’t pay off, and spending too little for a team that doesn’t contend doesn’t, either.

If I remember correctly.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jul 14, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Execpt

that actions are more important then BS off the record comments from some pussy official who doesn’t have the backbone to use his name.

The Dodger payroll has been way above those levels every year that Frank has owned the team and he’s owned the team for six years now.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It didn't say Frank mandated an $80k payroll

it said it was the plan. I’m willing to believe that is a reasonable figure for contention in the NL West, and thus could have been included in a plan

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome

The “former high-ranking club official speaking on condition of anonymity” strikes again! He’s in a league of deceit with the “source familiar with the situation” and “He Who Shall Not Be Named”.

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Article made me hate the McCourts even more, but it did give me that picture of Frank with a giant afro. I’m conflicted.

by regfairfield on Jul 14, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya it sucks having dick owners

welcome to the Clipper world where you don’t have a choice in the owner of the team you choose to root for. The bottom line is that they are not Fox and unless the McCourts become Rush Limbaugh that has to be good enough for me.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait are we shamelessly plugging our fanposts?

Look at me!
Gotta get in on the ground floor of this kind of action. Feel free to take this opportunity to give me money for this novel I haven’t written yet. I promise to send you a copy when it’s finished.

Hey, it worked for Frank McCourt

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

you have to have a business plan

or a flag? Do you have a flag?

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

my only flag

is the flag of America, you hippie

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The flag of America?

You mean the American Flag, you hick?

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Americuh

fuck yeah!

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Jul 14, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

“We don’t need a bloody flag! This is our country, you bastards!”

by StolenMonkey86 on Jul 14, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yay! Someone got it : )

“No flag, no country. Those are the rules that I just made up.”

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry

that I didn’t get it.

What’s that from?

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eddie Izzard

Dressed to Kill

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got it, Eddie Izzard is just awesome.

"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010

by K3vo on Jul 14, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

i love that euphoric feeling

when something that was bugging u becomes clear

by EephusBlue on Jul 14, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know right

I mean you keep working at it, turning it over and over, trying to force some notion to get through, and just when you think frustration is all your going to get, it’s all clear, and your mind empties, and the whole world is wonderful again

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn

I’ve only seen one Izzard special. The man is hilarious

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

This one is wet, this one is wet

did you dry these in the rain forest?

Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!

by Josie Becker on Jul 14, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

MLBTR live chat going on

One weird question from someone:

The Padres have made it pretty clear their #1 concern is starting pitching. Who are they pursuing?

Is this true? I thought their main concern wasn’t pitching but having a mostly shitty offense?

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 12:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Heh

Throw in Ely! Done!

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jul 14, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

on that line

would you trade Kuroda for A Gon?

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

He must be asking about Alex Gonzalez

because otherwise it could not have been a serious question

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

no i wasn't

and obviously it wasn’t, I said “on that line” as in the "crazy idea of the Padres giving up Adrian F’n Gonzalez for Vicente “Chedder Bob” Padilla."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

speaking of the Pads

did anyone here that they put Latos on the phantom DL?

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 14, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are looking for pitching

Because Latos is on an innings limit and Gregerson has gotten beat up lately.

"I am dead set against free agency. It can ruin baseball." - George Steinbrenner.

by G.Scott on Jul 14, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought they put him on the real DL but alot of the time will be used during the All Star Break

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 14, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eric alluded to this before

http://www.truebluela.com/2010/7/14/1569812/molly-knight-with-a-detailed-look

and we have had some comments on it but given the depth of the story, I’d suggest everyone read it. I’ve put up a fanshot on the front page for those who want to comment on it.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2010 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

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SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 44
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SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000

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RHP 51 Belisario $414,426
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RHP 28
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RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000

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DL 14 Ellis $2,500,000
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60DL 41 De La Rosa $485,000

AA 50 Eovaldi $7,885
AAA 56 Antonini $7,869



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Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
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Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
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