Dodgers Can't Put Away Cardinals, Get Swept Away
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT
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PrintThe Dodgers held a 4-0 lead entering the eighth inning, but couldn't make it hold up, as Travis Schlichting, Justin Miller, and Jonathan Broxton combined to give up five runs as the Dodgers were swept away in St. Louis. Broxton was asked to get five outs to close out the game, but he only recorded four. The Cardinals 5-4 win was cemented when Matt Holliday's fly ball sailed over Andre Ethier's head in right field to end the game.
Dodger pitchers walked a season-high nine batters today, and this was the first time since moving to Los Angeles that they walked nine batters while striking out one or less.
Vicente Padilla went the same route of Clayton Kershaw (one strikeout Thursday) and Chad Billingsley (no strikeouts Friday), in that he struck out just one batter, but he was effective enough to pitch six scoreless innings. Padilla allowed just one hit, but he did walk five, including walking the bases loaded in the sixth inning with two outs. Matt Holliday, who was thrown out twice on the bases earlier in the game, flew out on the first pitch to end the threat in what was at the time a one-run game.
Padilla has now pitched 14 straight scoreless innings, and although his strikeout-to-walk ratio is no longer sublime it is still excellent at 3.67 (55 strikeouts, 15 walks). Since returning from the disabled list, Padilla has made six starts and is 3-1 with a 2.03 ERA while averaging 6.67 innings per start.
The Dodgers added to their 1-0 lead with a three-run seventh inning, featuring an RBI double by Garret Anderson, a wild pitch, and a bases loaded walk to Matt Kemp.
The Dodgers have now lost 21 out of 25 games in St. Louis, and dropped the season series to the Cardinals 4-3.
Notes
- Ronnie Belliard snapped an 0-for-20 streak with a single in the fifth inning, then added another single later for good measure
- Vicente Padilla doubled in the Dodgers first run, a chopper over third base in the fifth inning. It was just the second extra-base hit by a Dodger pitcher this season, joining Chad Billingsley, who doubled on June 5
- Casey Blake entered the game in the bottom of the eighth inning in a double switch to play first base, the first time he has played first since August 23, 2009
- Matt Kemp got his first assist of the season, doubling Matt Holliday off of first base in the second inning
James McDonald is expected to get the call for tomorrow night's start against the Giants. Jon Link was optioned to Triple A after the game, per Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times.
WP - Ryan Franklin (4-1): 1 IP, 1 hit, 1 walks, 1 strikeout
LP - Jonathan Broxton (3-1): 1 1/3 IP, 4 hits, 2 runs, 2 walks
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with the state that our bullpen is in
we need to get an extra arm before the trading deadline. any decent names?
Kenley Jansen. He’ll be better than any player they can acquire.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 18, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Jansen, then empty the cupboard behind him if necessary.
It will be a big surprise to see the owner open his checkbook, he will show us.
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 18, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Are there any other people in AAA
even starters that might be used to pad out the pen?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
That's our only option?
Who’s Javy Guerra?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
seeing the ramifications of Sherrill
makes me scared to trade for a reliever again this year
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I’d be willing to bet money the Dodgers trade for at least two relievers in the next two weeks
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The club needs to decide
which is scarier, acquiring help, or pitching Justin Miller, Jon Link, George Sherrill, or Ramon Troncoso?
I think Link will be okay, he is only used in blowout situations. That is not his fault.
Middle relievers in general are a total crapshoot, and i really dont trust Ned in trading for any. I would call up Jansen and hope Tron can be serviceable and Beli can get back.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 18, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Not well, but he hasnt pitched much. i think Wade pretty much gave us what he can in 2008. Id be surprised if he becomes a serviceable mlb guy in the near future.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 18, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
NO NO NO NO NO
Aw man this is EXACTLY what Im afraid of. We will trade top prospects for decent relievers who regress next year. Relief pitching is so volatile year to year. WHat we get now could just become sherrill next year. JANSEN ALL THE WAY! At least lets see what he can do before we trade away the farm for matt capps
Which prospects would we be trading
In all seriousness, I don’t know what other teams would ask for, the Dodgers have Dee Gordon on the do not trade list.
you have a point here
relief pitchers tend to be very up and down over the course of their careers. They might help the pen now but suck next season.
by draft dodger on Jul 18, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
It depends on who they acquire and their contract situation
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Prediction
if McDonald can’t bring it tomorrow, TBLA explodes.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
You want to blame anyone
start with Kershaw having to leave early on Thursday which began to overuse the thin pen. The Cardinals could have been beaten 3 times this weekend but the inability to make a key pirch or key hit cost the team dearly.
Disagree to an extent. We have two solid relievers on the team. One of them cant pitch back to back and he pitched yesterday in a close game. We got to the other with a 2 run lead on long rest (obviously should have been more) and he couldnt get the job done. Kershaw and Bills leaving early sucked, but its not like we were filling up those innings with our best pitchers.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 18, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
how many pitches was padilla at when they took him out? thought it was low-ish..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 18, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
his ball was up and he was walking people
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 18, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
What about for the Cardinal players
whom have to play in that heat half of all their games in the summer months?
They become acclimated to the condidtions?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 18, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah thats really really shitty for them
but come to think of it after today GOOD FOR THEM! SUFFER hehehe
Including today, yes. But in between NY series and today, he pitched 4 2/3 innings, 2 runs, 1 HR, 0 walks, 6 strikeouts.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I am very worried about what we may be looking for on the trade market
I am so scared of another Sherrill situation happening.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Sherrill was really good last year. Trades for relievers should just be for the current season, and gauged accordingly (i.e. don’t trade anyone too valuable under long control away). Whether to re-sign any relief pitcher for another year is a completely different question, that will usually be answered in the negative.
Yeah he was great, last year
But it cost us someone who could be taking over at 3B for Blake right now. If we trade prospects who really won’t amount to much, or prospects that we don’t really need, sure, I’m ok for trading for a relief pitcher right now. I just don’t know if that will happen.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Josh Bell could and would not be taking over for Blake right now
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re telling me you would rather watch Blake hit still than try something else?
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I didn’t like trading Josh Bell for Sherrill, no, but what I am saying is that I would rather have Blake playing 3B than Josh Bell right now.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just so frustrated with the offense right now, I’m willing to try just about anything. I think Kemp may be due for another benching soon to get his bat hot again, lol.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Yeah I wasn't being serious, it just seemed to work last time :P
I’m just hoping St Louis was St Louis for these guys and they will be their normal selfs after today.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Yeah actually I prefer Blake to Bell too
Going forward that will probably change. But right now Blake is better. Not by much tho with his performance.
At what point do the Dodgers start looking for a new 3B?
I really have no idea who might be out there on the trade market (Reynolds comes to mind, but I’m not sure how many people here would even want him), but Blake is awful right now. And actually, thanks to Phil’s digging from earlier, he has been since April 17th.
Blake is an automatic out right now, and it’s killing the offense.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I think he walks alot, though I may be mistaken. Either way, I’ll take Reynolds if the price isn’t crazy.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
lol
We’re gonna have Blake next year too! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 18, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
he fucking better be on the bench..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 18, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
god there are so many idiots on twitter
i cant believe i gave in and clicked the broxton/dodgers trending topics to see what people were saying lol
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Jansen's on the 40 man
Is that a recent move? If not, then I guess we’re gonna be working with what we’ve been dealing with unless we trade.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Ok, I wasn't sure.
Was he thrown on there to protect him from the Rule V?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Thanks. I’ve seen the amateur draft as Rule IV so. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
That’s a rec.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 18, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
he was making fun of Ivdown
:)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
You see, this is where my confusion came when I was younger for my screen name ;)
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Spent a fun morning at the beach and the SM pier with Spawn and Bride; was joined by sometime DT poster Jim Billy 4 and his brood. Good times.
Managed to get one look at the score; 4-0 after seven. Oh good, thought I.
Then I got home to this result. It pained me.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
tomorrow?
Dude, Costco is open late.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 18, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Man can you imagine how great he coulda been had he stayed healthy
as a starter? Kuo really is sick when he’s on. More so than Broxton.
If the current scores hold, the Padres are going to be a full 4 games ahead in the NL West of 2nd place.
Dodgers may need to start focusing on the WC.
nah why settle
just keep hammering away. its no over. theres still hope. uhh we can still do it. um…yeah thats all i got.
Hey anyone here have any recommendation on a good laptop?
The game on friday actually killed my laptop. It just up and died. So Im in the market for a new one. preferably Dell. THought I would ask folk here who are using pc’s that perform well.
look at HP
solid specs on their laptops
or if you feel daring and rich, get a Macbook pro.
by draft dodger on Jul 18, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
unfortunately
I am timid and poor : ) The one that died was an HP and that bad boy lasted for 5 years
Go to Best Buy, and spend $350. No warranty.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
warranties are a pain
they jack up the price a good 200-300 dollars.
by draft dodger on Jul 18, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
actually that makes a lotta sense
its cheap enough that when it croaks, just get another one which is prbably faster
yeah
thats a good route if you dont want to spend alot on a higher end model.
by draft dodger on Jul 18, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Id like something that can handle photoshop well
Lotta high res data analysis for work. But also want to do flash animation and photoshopping for fun.
you can also look at
newegg. Tiger direct, too.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Link was optioned
Who do you think is coming back up?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Are they laughing?
tell me they’re laughing
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
More Dylan
Manny probably won’t start tomorrow, according to Torre. Loney is a maybe. Martin will almost certainly return to the lineup.
Mark Reynolds
Not that this should be the barometer of if decision making but Vinny seems endlessly amused by how much Mark Reynolds strikes out, and I think his head would explode if we traded for him. I get the feeling Vin doesn’t care for his game at all.
Ishikawa with a single in the bottom of the 9th to score 2 and tie it.
not sure the day could get worse from a baseball standpoint.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Just saying, you never say things like that!
It’s like the poster on our site who said ‘we got this, what could go wrong?’ right before Mr. Holliday redirected a certain fly ball with his testicles, last season.
Thankfully that is on MLB Network now so I can watch
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Carlos Santana
To make myself even more depressed today, I looked at Santana’s stats. 432 OB and 6 dingers in a sixth of a season. Compares very favorably with Frank Thomas in his first season.
I am not sure the performance of one outstanding rookie
would make up for other horrible moves that the Indians have done and the fact their future does not look good with Minnesota, Detroit and Chicago in that division.
Well the Lee trade
does not look that great.
And they don’t draw anyone.
So I am not sure if I was a fan of their team, one player would make that big a deal to me.
Looks better with Santana than without him. Just amazing that Santana is so patient and still has pop.
Hey guys...
What happened with the bullpen??
Louise Bourgoin: The hottest French actress I've ever seen <3
Schlicthing was able to pitch 1 scoreless inning…
by Michael White on Jul 18, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
Do you think Ned will make a move at the Trade Deadline to boost the ’pen or will call Jansen soon?
Louise Bourgoin: The hottest French actress I've ever seen <3
The Dodgers will definitely make moves. I am guessing at least two pitchers will be acquired.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the question of the day.
I think Tron comes back and they try to trade for 1. I’m hoping for Jansen, but not expecting it.
by Michael White on Jul 18, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
And Belisario will return soon or he will stay on the restricted list?
Louise Bourgoin: The hottest French actress I've ever seen <3
He can only be on that list for 30 days, but who knows what happens once that is up, if he is even ready to come back.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope, if he is ready it could be a big boost for our 'pen...
Louise Bourgoin: The hottest French actress I've ever seen <3
The Dodgers are not (or should not be) counting on him to contribute anything. I think they need to operate as if he is done, and if he comes back its found money
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
in a “Lou Brown if he underwent throat surgery three times and had to use multiple kazoos to talk” kind of way
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing worse to judge the pulse of the team than to get a text from only a casual baseball fan that says “What’s up with Broxton? Why can’t he close out the game?”
It sucks to have to reply to that.
I was on the phone
with a friend here who is a Cards fan. He’s got no idea that we are even playing today. I told him the situation and he said “Broxton will fuck it up, he always does.”
I hung up on him…….
Or Bills
can get anyone out.
Or why Kemp makes two bad effort plays (running to second and throwing the ball into the infield)P
is there a reason why brox is throwin the slider in less #‘s? is he hiding an injury or something. you know these ball players they will go until their arm falls off. maybe he’s trying to fight through some kind of arm strain. he didn’t look good in the ASG either…
Tomorrow’s game should be fun. Time to get back on track with Phil’s favorite pitcher throwing rainbow curves and shit.
Well
at least Shooter is on, I love this movie. Mark Wahlberg is the man.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
What the Dodgers need to make the playoffs
1. Bills to recapture his 2nd half 2008 – 1st half 2009 form for the rest of the year.
2. Continued good starts from Kuroda and Padilla
3. Someone and probably two someones need to pitch better in the pen.
4. Can’t depend on Furcal and Ethier to lead the way all the time
5. Manny really needs to play well and play often
6. If McDonald can keep the team in the game for 6, it will be enough for now.
7. Team could use a boost of big move but doubtful one will come.
1. Continue to beat up on the NL west.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
I think that should actually be
1. Beat up on teams that are NOT just NL West teams
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I has been a tough two months schedule-wise. The Dodgers have a considerably easier September schedule, especially when compared to the other west teams. I remain confident that the Dodgers have a chance to make up some games late in the year. They just need to keep themselves in striking distance.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
I completely believe that as well
We just need to start seeing the Dodgers beat the Central and East more often.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
yep. Not saying the Dodgers can continue to be average against the other divisions, I just don’t think the situation is 7 point list dire. Call me an optimist though.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Ike Davis RBI double. 4-3 Mets
Suck it Wilson.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
by K3vo on Jul 18, 2010 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Christ I love that picture. Did he explain why he did it or was it just to piss off Wilson?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I think it was sort of a jackass move by Blake to do it.
Usually old veterans dont get involved in that type of stuff.
I think it was the best thing Blake has ever done as a Dodger, haha
Brian Wilson is kind of a jackass, I’m glad he got taken down a peg.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Just to mock Wilson.
You know hitters can’t stand these closers who celebrate after every save.
by Michael White on Jul 18, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
The best part is the pink wristbands, since it was Mothers Day
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure that for a team
to even play .667 ball in their division is rare but the Dodgers will probably have to do better than 25-18 the rest of the way against the West to even have a shot at the playoffs.
Today was only the 3rd game of Jonathan Broxton’s career that he pitched more than one inning and didn’t strike out a batter
:( Giants loss was a pick me up, all I’m saying. didnt want to piss anyone off.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Was wondering, so i looked it up.
Bumgarner in July:
2-1, 1.71 ERA, K/BB of 4, 1.09 WHIP
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
over 3 starts. 21.0 IP
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
and CO, missed the start he had against the mets, for some reason it wasn’t on the game log.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
just saw the dbacks padres highlight, evereth cabrera is a bitch
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
especially ones that start running back in fear, frantically looking around like a scared possum
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
You guys really think the Dodgers can swing a trade with the current prospects the Dodgers have?
Unless they overpay with guys like Withrow, Sands, Jansen, etc., (and I guess they will), they’re not getting anything remotely of value.
Carlos Santana wasn’t consider an overpay until he got national recognition down the 2008 stretch.
What we as fans consider an overpay is certainly different than what Dodgers management and other teams consider it. I believe Dodgers management still consider that trade a success because they really liked Casey Blake at the time..
Logan White had a serious misevaluation of talent.
Whichever scouts that told him Santana wouldnt stick at catcher, or questioned Kemp as a CF’er…should not be listened too.
Sometimes these guys miss
They evaluate thousands of players.
Should every scout in America get fired because no one wanted Piazza until the 62nd round?
Drafting is different.
When you guys in your system that have been there for awhile, there’s no way you should not know what they can do.
There’s defiitely alot more evidence to look at after a guy’s been in an organization for 3-4 years, rather than just drafting them.
Sometimes guy mature at different rates or have other things that happen
That cause them to be let go from their original teams
Uggla, Johan Santana, Josh Hamilton, David Oritz. etc.
Thats true...and Santana had already started to mature when the Dodgers dealt him...
He was destroying the minors the year they dealt him.
IT’d be one thing if they had dealt him after some non-descript seasons…but he was on fire when dealt.
I get that....fair enough
But what goes into a trade? I would hope that Logan White isn’t suggesting we deal Santana because some dude told him he would suck as a catcher. Logan White/GM’s office signed off on it.
It would be hard for me to grasp that they traded him away bc of a scout’s opinion.
What other reason was there?
If you believe Santana’s bat was going to stick at catcher, there’s no way you trade him for Casey Blake.
Thats the only rationale used by Ned/Logan in defense of that trade…that they had questions whether Santana could play catcher.
Of course
they don’t have to defend the trade.
They could have their reasons but it won’t be a defense.
I agree with everything you just said...
My point was that it is on them, not some other dude that scouts somewhere. that is all I was getting at.
Oh i agree..
The blame lies with Ned.
He can roll the blame game down to Logan, and then Logan can blame the scouts…
But ultimately it was an organizational failure.
From player analysis, to McCourt not paying an extra 2mils.
Ned got his extension
which also factors into all of this, can’t blame him, he only gets judged for how the current team does, if he got let go after last year, why would he care about the future.
You cannot ignore that part in all of this either.
Or better than Navarro
Martin wasn’t going anywhere after 2007 and 2008. Now, I believe this, if Santana was here after 2008, he would have been dealt for Lee but I don’t see him jumping up above Martin.
Was to me.
And others who wrote about it. Including Phil and Jon.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they will overpay for a reliever.
by Michael White on Jul 18, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
We need another LHP
out of the pen, STAT. We need another 6th inning guy and maybe a backend guy {not a closer, 8th inning} depending on the Belisario deal.
I say make the deals. We have been in the NLCS for 2 straight years and have the same basic team. Over the next couple of years, our chances are going to take a serious hit.
I say make the deals. JMO
Trading for a 6th inning guy?
I wouldn’t make any of these deals. You’ll overpay like crazy for the 8th inning guy because you’ll be acquiring a guy who is currently a closer. Hope for the best with the current options you have.
by Michael White on Jul 18, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Poor wording
a guy that would become that guy or we move guys into that spot because of the acquisition of a back end guy
We traded for 1 back end guy last year and it cost us the Dodgers top position prospect. What do you think getting 2 back end guys will cost?
by Michael White on Jul 18, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot
But that guy helped last year, when we needed him too.
My fear is that if we stand pat, we are done. If we keep running Miller, Sherrill, and the likes of Tron this year, out there, we will not make it. IMO
We can hope, I guess.
Between Baltimore and Los Angeles, Sherrill was a 1.4 WAR pitcher. Let’s call him a 1 WAR pitcher last season with the Dodgers (which is generous considering when the trade was.) Sherrill (like everyone else) failed in the postseason, so his contribution was limited to the regular season. So maybe you can argue that Sherrill was the difference between winning the divison and not, but obviously not the difference between the playoffs and not as that was secured by a safe margin.
But Sherrill didn’t replace a replacement level player (like Leach) instead the pitcher who saw his workload drop the most was Troncoso. Tron was also an above average pitcher last season with a WAR of 0.8 last season.
Defending the trade by saying the club was unsure of Kuo at the time makes sense. But as great as Sherrill was, his role in the bullpen didn’t produce that big of a difference from the options in house.
That is why you don’t trade prospects for relievers.
by Michael White on Jul 18, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it really worth giving up a key prospect in order to get a reliever who only might help the team get to the playoffs? I’d rather miss them and go with what we have than make a stupid move. That’s the problem with being where we are in the standings in late July.
It was mentioned before here…I’d rather go get Ricky Nolasco as a starter.
If the Dodgers are going to trade…deal prospects for a starter. Then maybe McDonald can go into the pen.
McDonald going back to the pen is definitely a reasonable option.
by Michael White on Jul 18, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no problem with McDonald going back to the pen, but wouldn’t dealing for Nolasco, even in the bad season he’s having, cost a package centered around Gordon, Withrow, Jansen, or Sands?
The biggest commercial douche
Is the hipster douche from the McDonalds commercial who keeps saying, “Don’t talk to me I haven’t had my coffee”
Where's K3vo
my mom is ranting about cuckoo clocks.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
The most overblown story will be how the divorce is affecting the Dodgers at the deadline
where I think the Dodgers are probably spending what McCourt wants to spend regardless of his finances.
What incentive does he have to spend more, he has generally kept the team in contention (better than Fox and O’Malley since 1988)
And I am not sure they have the other pieces in place where one big move could put them over the top.
This true
But the McCourt ownership has forced a series of moves that have in part put the team in the position that they are.
How much more successful do you think they could have been since 2004
This is the part I don’t get.
Sure, they have not won a pennant and thereby no World Series either. But neither has Arte Moreno.
And yet aside from 2005, the Dodgers have had a chance to compete in the post-season every year.
Now, have they (McCourts) had the fortune of some tremendous drafts before he arrived, yes he has but that cannot overshadow everything.
Somehow, and way early on, it became personal for many fans that they did not like McCourts, their raising of prices and their ill advised comments to the press.
But I do think that those who expect the team to have done more than they have done on the field since 2004 are asking too much.
The McCourts have been fairly lucky in terms of their ownership and the Dodgers making the playoffs. Okay, some of the luck is running out now, and now people are paying attention to what they’re really been doing for all of these years.
You can point to the recent success that they had, but it was built on a large part of the previous administration. The question would be now what did the McCourts do to help sustain the run of success?
I think what most people are criticizing is that the McCourts due to their own personal lives are actually an impediment of what people feel the Dodgers need to do to be successful.
No I think people criticize the McCourts
because they somehow believe they are not worthy of owning the Dodgers. It doesn’t matter if anyone actually thinks they did anything but sit in the owner’s box while the Dodgers made the playoffs, they are the owners.
Everyone seems to thinks the O’Malleys were perfect owners but they had periods of when the team did not play well and certainly after 1988, the team’s lack of sound drafting and poor luck with free agents set them on a pattern that now puts them second to the Lakers in Los Angeles.
But to say the McCourts lucked into the Dodgers being successful is like saying Phil Jackson is lucky to have Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, Shaq and Pau, Phil gets to say he coached 11 championship teams and the McCourts get to point to unprecedented tickets sold and 4 trips in 6 years to the post-season.
There is a difference between a coach with great talent vs. an owner who bought a team on the rise.
For whatever faults Phil Jackson has, you cannot argue that he did not have an influence on winning championships on teams he coached.
If there is a comparison to be made its between Buss vs. the McCourts, and if you ask most people, I would say the McCourts come up lacking.
Its not as if the Buss’ do not have inter-familial drama, it is just that their drama doesn’t seem to impede the team’s fiances in any way. On one hand, you have the Lakers signing Kobe, and trading for Pau Gasol in a deal that ripped off the Grizzlies, while you have the Dodgers wondering if they can keep a high payroll, and trading prospects for veterans and their salaries.
Even the story about the impeding free agency of their coaches tells a familiar refrain. Both want to reduce the salaries of their head coaches, the Lakers get the benefit of the doubt, while the Dodgers are seen as skinflints.
And I do say the McCourts lucked out since the McCourt owned Dodgers did not have to face the great San Fransisco Giants of the early 2000’s, or the 2001 D’backs with the awful talent the Dodgers fielded for most of the FOX years.
Nobody here is questioning Dan Evans’ as a competent GM. If given the time, he would have had similar success than what DePodesta (1 out of two years making the playoffs), and Colletti did (4 out of 6) because they were largely the players his team drafted that the current run of success is built on.
I don’t they could’ve done much more to improve the team on the field in the last few years, save for raising the payroll a ton in Dec. 2008 to get Sabathia, but I can’t really blame them for that. But what they’ve done the last few years has set them up for where they are right now. The deferred contracts, the lack of money going to draft picks, the lack of investment outside of the U.S. I just think that come, say, Opening Day 2013 and many of the players in the Dan Evans draft era have left and there’s little to replace them, we’ll see the full extent of their damage.
Very, actually.
If they had a competent GM and an owner that was spending in the 130-150 range like Boston, the last few years was exactly WS caliber.
Fill out a cheap talented roster with elite free agent talent and you have one of the best teams in the majors.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
As other people have mentioned I would be fine with trying to unload Manny if they are 5 or so games back at the deadline.
Eric how many teams have comeback from 5 or so games after Aug 1st to claim their division do you have numbers on that?
Manny could hit .300/.400/.500
in every game from here to the 31st and he still will be a Dodger on August 1st.
Now he will clear waivers so he could still be dealt in August but even that seems like a longshot.
If they traded Manny
It would be a clear signal that they aren’t playing for this year and there would be an outcry from fans. I’m not saying I don’t support doing it, but I doubt Colletti would do it.
The Dodgers are a game and a half out of the wild card right now.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course in the end, this might not be the year to trade for help.
It might be a year you realize you’re not good enough and regroup for next year.
Don’t make me say it.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 18, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I just remember 2002 when the Dodgers needed a bat in the worst way and the big trade was for… Tyler Houston!
Obviously the farm system isn’t that bad as it was before. (A player like Ben Diggins would be like the 20th best prospect today), but you cannot expect a good player in return, and recent history shows that Colletti will trade really good prospects for middling veterans.
Guys
RELAX. We still get to go beat up San Diego, Colorado, San Fran, and Arizona. That alone will put us right back in it.
That's assuming that the rest of the NL stays the same amount ahead of the Dodgers
in the upcoming weeks. I don’t know if the Padres can continue to play the way they have, especially with starters on the DL.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Yes
though I personally think that players hitting the DL is different than claiming that players are playing way over their heads.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Manny out
Martin out
Loney out today
Who’s next?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 18, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Roy Halladay gives up a 2 run shot to Geovany Soto
I say we make a deal for him…..
By him, I mean both Halladay and Soto!
:)
The Pads
If the Pads make a bigger move than we do at the deadline, it will be embarrassing.
The Pads
I should have said better move. Regardless, It will say a lot about the state of both franchises.
