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by Phil Gurnee on Jul 18, 2010 6:45 PM PDT
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Printthe Dodgers just had a weekend of baseball that felt like a kick in the crotch.
our bullpen looks shaky as hell
Kershaw/Billz let us down
the McCourt situation scares us now and in the future
that Matt Kemp simply isn't what we thought he was, YET
that Manny can't be depended on the rest of the year
that Casey Blake is playing exactly like one would expect for a 37 year old 3rd baseman
that Belisario trying to get his life in order was quite an inconvenience to Dodger fans
that Ned will probably do something we will all regret
We know, we get it, but put down the pitchforks, road trips after all-star breaks are tough, you can't measure the team by the incompetence they show for four games. They come home Monday, and play a good Giant team, followed by a good Met team. Once that home trip is over, let us take a look at where we are, and if things still look bleak I might be the one calling it a season, but I'm not going to do it after a road trip. And if I do call it, it will be with resignation in my heart, not anger.
My suggestion is
1. If you have a family take them to see Despicable Me or Toy Story 3 again, if you don't then go see Despicable Me or Toy Story 3. Or stay home and rent the Hangover
2. Breathe Deep and let us see what Monday brings but let this go, the series is done. we sucked in all areas a team could possibly suck in.
3. Quit acting like spoiled children, if the Dodgers are a fourth place team they are a fourth place team. Just being a Dodger fan does not require them to be good.
I guess venting is good, but as moderators of this site we can't just leave and let you vent away. This is Eric's blog, so I can ignore the crazies, but just remember, Eric has to read everything, that is part of what being a Blog Manager is, and when things are great it is a cool gig, but when you go crazy it sucks all the fun out of the voluntary gig.
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My pitchfork is
now in the bed of my truck. I will not bring it out again.
Forgive my rambling in earlier threads. Not trying to cause a problem here.
I want us to be good, plain and simple.
Amen brother!
Couldn’t have said it better.
I was just thinking, I had a good weekend, some fun stuff, some productive stuff, and the one bummer was the Dodger series. If that’s the worst thing that happened, I’m pretty lucky. If you had a crummy weekend otherwise, then I can understand the Dodgers making things seem even worse. But go do some of the things Phil suggests above to get your mind off it. Things aren’t as bad as they seem.
We’ve been through this too many times (including terrible series in St Louis, which seem to happen every year frankly), we’ve been through bad trips and bad bullpen meltdowns. If you have, stop acting like you haven’t. The Dodgers will bounce back. And if they don’t, c’est la vie. Can’t go to the NLCS every year. But this frustrating series could just as likely end up having no bearing or relationship to the final results.
Meanwhile go hug your dog or cat or mate, go watch a funny movie, get off the internet and sports sites and just step outside. The world ain’t ending tonight.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I always keep that stretch in 2008 in the back of my mind at times like these. As the rockies have proven recently, you are not out of it until the math says you are.
That said, losing streaks suck. Playing in a stadium full of Dodger kryptonite sucks. being in 4th place sucks. 5 runs in the 8th and 9th innings sucks.
As much as these things suck, that feeling is only as permanent as you let it be. Come tomorrow i will be back out there rooting for a rousing brooming of the Giants, because whatever they may be doing, i still have fun rooting for my team alongside you all.
Diversions are great, put the series behind us, and look forward to a serious winning streak!
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Point 3 is on the money
Some times other teams are going to be better. If the Padres turn out to be a better team, such is life. The expectation that the Dodgers have to or should be better than all other squads is puzzling.
I think it’s a product of the “Our franchise has been one of the more successful franchises overall therefore we deserve more” mentality. But I agree, it is puzzling. Different players, different manager, different times, and very different owner.
Big market curse?
“Our city has a ton of people in it, so we should spend a ton of money on the payroll.” I doubt many here think that way, but i get the feeling that outside our community here there is that kind of sentiment.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Without starting the pitchforky sentiment again
I think the unveiling of the particulars of the McCourt financial situation has made the gripes about payroll and trades taken on a certain unique note of despair. It makes everything take a tone of barely contained hysteria because we have no idea what the hell is going on with the franchise behind the scenes.
I’m personally excited that the NL West is so competitive right now. Hopefully it’ll get the division the recognition and the respect it deserves.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I’m a little worried for the future, but I dunno how much impact all that has on the here and now. I’m sure the drama makes the team less likely to take on an acquisition that has any considerable dollar value behind it, but it seems the sentiment that the cost in prospects would be too high anyway. I’ll reserve the screaming and yelling until something concrete happens i think.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Frankly I'm holding out hope in Frank, still.
If for no other reason except that Frank knows how much money he can can to make with the Dodgers. If all he cared about were cutting his losses and moving on he would’ve already tentatively put the team on the tentative market.
I don’t know how much of Frank’s desire to keep the team and make money off of it will translate into fielding a championship caliber team. I try to stay positive and think it does.
The telling things with Frank i think will be the outcome of the divorce, and what happens after 2013.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Naturally.
As long as he keeps the Dodgers though I think he should be OK. If he does get to keep the Dodgers he’s gonna have to give up A LOT to Jamie to make it ‘fair’.
doesn't "fair" depend on net value?
If the Dodgers are worth 800mil but are leveraged at 700mil and the houses are worth 150mil with 50mil in loans, it is all equal. and if the post nup stands up does any of that even matter
by MammothDodger on Jul 18, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure about that.
If the post nup holds up I’m sure Frank’s lawyers will argue that yes, it depends on net value.
I agree
and I’ve been someone that has posted my frustrations with the McCourts lately, but not because of the bad week, purely because, coincidentally, I took the time to read Molly Knight’s article in ESPN the mag which recently arrived at my house
While I too appreciate the fact that this team has been more successful than it ever has in my lifetime, whether its more a product of Dan Evans, or Logan White or Frank McCourt, or some combination, I just felt really disheartened reading some of the details about not only the divorce, but some of his over arching business plans to raise ticket prices and lower salary in general.
This team though is much bigger than any player, owner, or employee of the organization, and my love for this team will always be undying through thick and thin, and I believe one day I’ll see all the pieces of the puzzle finally come together
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I agree that people feel that way but it is a misperception. Money doesn’t really mean better. The Cubs payroll is 50% higher than the Dodgers. Would even the most dissatisfied Dodgers fan want to switch teams with Chicago? On the other side the Padres and the Rangers combined salaries are less than the Dodgers. Cliff Lee might have changed that but it’s still close. It’s easy to say a team should spend more money but it guarantees nothing. How you spend what you have is much more important than how much you spend.
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
A big part of the frustration is that 2009 and 2010 were really all in years. We had our core making way less than they were worth, and Manny sitting on a deferred salary.
It’s disappointing because with that spare money, the only great investment we made was Kuroda. In our all in years, we’re seeing something like 60 million going to Andruw Jones, Juan Pierre, and Jason Schmidt. Come 2011, the majority of our payroll is going to be dominated by a core that didn’t meet expectations that were probably too high, and players that won’t be on our team.
2010 could very well be our last great shot in a while, and seeing it go down the drain like this is terrible.
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Very similar to the Chicago Cubs..
They had a couple all in years, with a very expensive core, and its looking like they’ll be bad for a long long time.
At least the Dodgers made it to the NLCS a couple seasons.
That is doom and gloom at it's finest
A year ago the Padres were awful, a year later they are one of the best teams in baseball and yet you can look at all the moves they made this past winter and not pick one and said that is going to make them competitive again.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Also sucks: that in one of our all in years we could get beat by a team that’s winning for no god damn reason.
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sure if we lose it will be to the Rockies
and the WC will be in play all year for a number of teams.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I would be okay with that.
I’m not saying it’s impossible to win another World Series, but I’m saying that it was designed to happen in the next two years. Seeing that derailed for so many reasons sucks.
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats why the Padres are the anomalies of all anomalies…and if they make the playoffs…will be studied for a long time.
I refuse to believe that the line between winning big and losing is so thin as to the only things mattering is whether your relievers have career seasons or not…but with the Padres it appears that is the case.
Relievers + everyones defense getting way, way better.
Gonzalez, Eckstein, Headley, and Cabrera should not be playing like Gold Glovers.
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
You can’t point to the the 4 out of 6 seasons of post season appearances, and two NLCS, and then claim that the Dodgers aren’t as good enough to win the division again.
Its one or the other.
I didn’t claim anything.
What are you talking about? Yes, I have chosen to appreciate that the Dodgers have been good. If the Padres finish better this year, I’ll deal with it without crying.
by Michael White on Jul 18, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Its bc LA is a big market team with lots of salary (relative to the division)
An abundance of assets leads to an abundance of expectations.
Which is flawed logic for those that believe it.
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
You can be a massive coke addict and still be really successful.
Doesn’t mean that being a massive coke addict isn’t a terrible idea.
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I personally think it's Frank McCourt's fault people act that way
no, not because of the divorce, or the money (not) spent or even the VEnergy. I think it’s because ever since he bought the team he’s been atlkaing about how we deserve a championship, we need a championship, we will get a championship. While I understand that there are 30 teams vying for the same trophy every year, and that in most, if not every year the best team does not win the championship, I also can see the frustration of fans saying, “You’ve told us we’ll get a championship. When will you start delivering?”. It’s the same thing as people being frustrated with a president. The president can promise all he wants, but in the end he has very little control over what the Senate or House put together.
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
I remember how crazy things were after the ASB last year
It’s only halfway done. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I dont know Phil.
Part of the entertainment of these blogs are the snarks when the team loses. Thats why MCC is so popular ;)
Popular with Giants fans
(though I like and respect Grant’s posts) But I find zero entertainment value in reading the comments there, whether their team loses or wins.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Here's something that will cheer people up!!
Who likes steak? How would you eat it?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Or rather, how would you cook it?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Over charcoal, medium rare. Also, what kind of steak?
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Any kind
you have a favorite? I’d go ribeye, on the rare side of medium rare.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
How to make a killer steak:
Throw skillet in oven, heat to 500 for 20 minutes.
While it’s heating throw salt and pepper on both sides of the steak
Take out skillet, throw a burner on high add olive oil and butter.
Cook steak for 30 seconds a side on the skillet, put in oven
Cook steak for two minutes a side, plate it, and let it rest for a couple minutes.
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I've done that before
and it came out well. But for some reason I really enjoy when steaks are grilled. Dunno what it is.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
You can get the sear on a grill, just finish it in the oven.
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And chicken
should I cook that all the way through, too? ;)
Unrelated to steak, I like to cook spicy italian sausages, bell peppers, and onions and eat that. Yay food.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
You give yourself food poisoning once…
I would add a can-o-tomatoes to that, throw in some red wine and reduce the hell out of it.
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with Reg
But I need to add one piece of info for the uninformed:
The cut of steak you want is ribeye.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 18, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Filet Mignon I fire up the Big Green Egg to 750 degrees. Sear each side for 1 minute, close all vents and cook for another 5 minutes. Wrap and let sit for 10. It will be pink throughout. Throw some sauteed mushrooms on top and I am good to go.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 19, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t know how you all – and especially Eric – manage to write so many articles and updates every day, under time pressure. Series intros, pre-game, (game thread), post-game recap, series recap, plus all the extra articles, weekly roundups, monthly round-ups. Whew. And then read all the comments too and reply as needed. It can’t be much fun after a sweep like this to know you’re expected to write a recap and series recap within 30 minutes or so, when its been yet another loss, and nothing is fun about that. Then all the ranting and slingshots in the comments. Well done, and thanks.
Wish I could go have fun but i have to sit here writing something too, that I don’t want to do, and writing doesn’t come naturally to me. TrueBlue provides the bulk of my distraction, and some welcome relief, as I sit at the computer. Thanks for helping…
Trent Oeltjen is a triple away from the cycle
per the ’Topes twitter.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Ok
the outcome of this weekend is entirely dependent on my soccer game tonight. If I keep a clean sheet and we win its all gravy. If I get chipped 6 times, you all might hear about it on the news.
Depending on your perspective, you might want to wish me luck :D
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
This feels like early in the year to me
On May 4th we were five games out and then we got to play within the division and by May 21st we were tied for 1st.
That said I’m not very confident in this team so my expectations are very low. I think for them to be real contenders Matt Kemp had to become the best player on the team and Bills had to pitch like a number two. Eric is going to show tomorrow just how bad the fifth spot in the rotation has been even when you add in how the great Ely games.
Elbert quiting on the team is more worrisome then Belisario. Belisario had to take of himself, Elbert seemed to simply quit. With Sherrill sucking, this team really needs that dominant LH relief pitcher and if he had taken the demotion like a man and worked on whatever he needed to work on, he would probably have been given the chance to replace Sherrill. Instead Ned is going to trade for one, so if one of your favorite prospects gets traded for a LH relief pitcher you can look at Elbert’s behavior as one of the reasons why.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I understand that line of thinking – but I’d hate for Ned to make a knee jerk reaction to the bullpen when in its totality – it hasnt been that bad.
Dodgers are 40-2 when leading after 7 innings.
I’ll take that.
Getting to the 8th inning is the hard part —> and I think a bigger worry is depending on Billingsley, Padilla, Kuroda, McDonald to get there is the bigger issue.
Bills → he hasnt developed into the #1 guy or #2 guy we all thought he would—> who knows.
Padilla —> he’s pitched pretty good but can he really be counted on given his career?
Kuroda —> you can probably count on him but he’s getting up there in age.
McDonald
I’m fully on the get a starter bandwagon bc the team needs one for next year. I’ll take my chances with the pen by putting Jansen/McDonald there if need be.
Trading for a middle reliever would be akin to rearranging chairs on the titanic.
Maybe Elbert reached a point where he felt he just was never gonna get there?
Like he was being honest with himself, rather than meeting the expectations of others?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 18, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Elbert officially quit?
Or is the same, “We have no idea what’s going on with him” fiasco.
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
Last we heard he was on his way to Arizona getting himself back into the fold.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 19, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
probably some
but as much considering they won a WS two years ago
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
This was Halladay's start tonight
And he posted a game score of 39. 6 innings, 6 runs (5 earned) on 7 hits, no walks, 3 ks, and 2 bombs.
by StolenMonkey86 on Jul 18, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I love that that Kid just threw that ball back
(for anyone watching the cubs phillies game) although it was probably hard for him to understand, that kid is learning a lesson about loyalty early on, what a badass : )
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
and also, "go cubs go" has gotta be one of the most fun game ending victory sing alongs in baseball
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
OT: NCAA looking at Oregon, UNC, and USC(South Carolina) for scantions.
The rumor is that they actually hired agents on the payroll…
Link?
I see UNC and South Carolina, but didn’t see Oregon.
by Michael White on Jul 18, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1408&t=6130284
Its a big jumbled mess, but the gist is that USC (the one that plays in the Pac-10) were the one who accused Oregon.
I think most of us on are edge because we were born in the mid to late 80s and yeah it hasnt been very fun for us since 1988.
Seriously
I tried making Zen koan jokes last night — they clearly weren’t all that funny — but I was only half-kidding with them.
If baseball and the Dodgers are making you upset, then don’t watch. I mean it — life’s too short and you don’t need the stress. They are gonna lose games — they are gonna have worse seasons than they’re currently enjoying — and if it’s giving you stress in your life, cut it right out. No one will think less of you.
This is something we all do for fun. Watching baseball is completely pointless except that it might make people happy.
Don’t worry. Dodgers will get ‘em tomorrow. And if they don’t, that’ll be OK, too.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
I appreciate that outlook, and at times wish I could always see it that way,
but for me, my connection to this baseball team feels a little more like personal relationship. The highs are joyous, I cried on the phone with my dad after we swept the cubs, so relieved and happy to see us win a playoff series, but also locked myself in my room, and didnt go to class or talk to anyone for a day after the Phils walked off against us in game 4 of the NLCS last year.
I know It seems stupid to let something I cant control, something as trivial as a game, affect me like that, but for me its an outlet for emotion, something a little bigger than just a hobby. There are things that are so much more important in life than baseball obviously, and I never want to blow it out of proportion, but I think this team is a part of me, and whether I like it or not, its going to affect my mood at times.
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Hey ok it is the summer of our discontent…the Cardinals have always owned the Dodgers in the dog days. I can remember living in Missouri and taking endless s… from my buds there in times like these. Let’s take a breath, and welcome the guys home…things are gonna get better, and the Dodgers will show us and themselves what kind of a team they really are..
DezertWolf
DezertWolf
OT, but finally watching Avatar and it blows
Looks really good on Bluray, but I’m an hour in and am bored enough to pause it and type this.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I hate Avatar for starting the current 3D fad.
3D movies were usually reserved for crappy kiddie movies like Spy kids. Now with every blockbuster movie getting the 3D treatment, movie theaters are also jacking up the rates. No, I do not want to pay 15 bucks to see this crappy movie.
My mom gets tickets to Landmark theaters for $8 each from some website, and the tickets are good for any type of movie. Its just like a 2 for 1 when it comes to their 3D movies (I think they are $15.50 or $16). Pretty big savings.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 18, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't blame it all on Avatar
Its just Hollywood trying to find a way to make people think there is value in going to movie theaters.
never saw avatar weirdly, but my first 3d movie was Toy Story 3d at the bridge
I was blown away, was a good flick too
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
That movie was awful
I’d rather see just about anything else…except Sex and the City.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I always see both sex and cities in 3D
because my eyes process things in three dimensions.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 18, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It really is Dances With Wolves on a distant planet
And I hated Dances With Wolves
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Or Pocahantas in Space
which isn’t as much fun as Pigs In Space.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
for a second
i thought it was one of those make a wish things on espn….
but then i realized it was james mcdonald…
will mcdonald make it to the 4th inning tomorrow… last time i recall this guy was up and starting he was pitching great through 2 and would lose velocity and command
by matthewmafa on Jul 18, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
AAA stats
12GS, 6-1, 4.41 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 3.4 BB/9, 8.1 K/9, 63.1 IP
Last 4 Starts
REN 5IP, 0ER, 0BB, 2H, 6K
OKC 4IP, 0ER, 1BB, 3H, 3K
@IOW 6.2IP, 4ER, 2BB, 4H, 5K
@OMA 6.1IP, 1ER, 4BB, 4H, 2K
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
but remember
he was even more dominant in years past in AAA
Monday's game
I assume Broxton is out for one if not two games. Is Manny still going to be unavailable?
Thanks.
Did anyone watch
“The Club” tonight on MLB Network? I did and thought it was really good. Ozzie Guillen is a trip!
Gonna be a good show this year.
I won't overreact to this series... I'm afraid Ned might though...
It is St. Louis after all…
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves
OT: Someone was asking about laptops in another thread
this might help. http://www.anandtech.com/show/3822/laptop-buyers-guide-14inch-and-smaller . Anandtech is awesome sauce.
Has James been moonlighting?
The Dodgers’ James McDonald makes his 46th appearance of the season, but only sixth start of the year
From ESPN.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Sounds like they're talking about last year
… except that he had only 4 starts, so this would be his fifth. If this was last year, that is.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jul 19, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodger and Cardinals
We sweep them 3 here.
They sweep us 4 there.
Why do they get an extra game? East coast Bias man….. :-)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 19, 2010 7:06 AM PDT reply actions
Thanks Phil
The Cardinals did the same thing to the Dodgers in that house of horrors last year, yet the Blue beat them in the playoffs and came close to the World Series—again. The season is hardly over. No, the 2010 Dodgers aren’t as good as the 2009 version, but the other league leaders are flawed too, and the Devil is going to reclaim San Diego’s soul any day now.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 19, 2010 7:31 AM PDT reply actions
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