Home Cooking Doesn't Taste Any Better For Dodgers
by Eric Stephen on Jul 19, 2010 10:37 PM PDT
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PrintThe Dodgers dropped their fifth straight game tonight, 5-2 to the Giants. James McDonald was okay in his five innings, but allowed four runs for the loss. The Dodger offense consisted of three hits apiece by Rafael Furcal, Matt Kemp, and Russell Martin, and not much else. One of Furcal's hits was a home run.
The game had two runs that made heads shake, one for each side. To end the sixth inning, Matt Kemp grounded to Pablo Sandoval at third base, but rather than throw to first base Sandoval decided to tag James Loney, who was running to third base. The umpires ruled that Jamey Carroll, running from third, crossed home plate before Loney was tagged, although replays showed that wasn't the case.
The Giants got their bizzaro run in the eighth inning, as Freddy Sanchez hit a fly ball to Andre Ethier with one out and the bases loaded. For some reason, Andres Torres was running from first base, and he was doubled up to end the inning. However, the run from third base counted, per MLB Rule 2.00:
A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses his right to occupy a base by reason of the batter becoming a runner.
Example: Not a force out. One out. Runner on first and third. Batter flies out. Two out. Runner on third tags up and scores. Runner on first tries to retouch before throw from fielder reaches first baseman, but does not get back in time and is out. Three outs. If, in umpire’s judgment, the runner from third touched home before the ball was held at first base, the run counts.
So, while the Dodgers may not have won the game, at least we all got to brush up on our major league rulebook. So there's that.
Manny Ramirez will have his second MRI on his right calf tomorrow, writes Tony Jackson of ESPN LA.
Tomorrow night the Dodgers will bring their five-game losing streak into a game against Tim Lincecum, but thankfully they have Clayton Kershaw throwing for the good guys.
WP - Madison Bumgarner (3-2): 5 2/3 IP, 6 hits, 2 runs (1 earned), 2 walks, 3 strikeouts
LP - James McDonald (0-1): 5 IP, 9 hits, 4 runs, 2 walks, 5 strikeouts
Sv - Brian Wilson (26): 1 IP, 2 hits, 1 walk, 3 strikeouts
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lucas may
6 strikeouts…
dee gordon 4/5 a triple a double and 3 steals..
Remember when we lost like 12 in a row after the break, traded for Wilson Betemit and won 14 in a row?
Basically I’m saying we should trade for Wilson Betemit.
2006 & 2008: enough to make Dodger fans crazy
2006: lose 13 of 14, including 8 straight, followed immediately by 11 straight wins and 17 of 18
2008: lose 8 straight, followed immediately by winning 8 straight
Insanity
by Eric Stephen on Jul 19, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Like most good things in baseball
Pitching is the key. And playing some bad teams at the right time.
They had lost 8 games in a row then went 17-1 (11 straight, lost, 6 straight).
5.5 runs scored/game
2.3 runs against/game
by bhsportsguy on Jul 19, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers
also had streaks of 6 and 7 wins after that run.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 19, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The pitching got way way better once we traded Danys Baez? I’m shocked. Shocked.
by regfairfield on Jul 19, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
jansen continues to dominate
3 Ks in another scoreless inning albeit with 2 walks
We are facing Zito
and Santana in the next few days. Are we gonna call up another RH hitter to play left or just pray for the best with Manuel?
Sadly
I got in a discussion with an umpire at a little league game about that very rule with Ethier. He kept saying it was a continuation of the force, so our run did not count. I told him to please look it up later. It is a live ball appeal, not a force out.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 19, 2010 10:44 PM PDT reply actions
The worst part about it was that no relative of mine was playing in the game. I better keep it in check when I coach my son.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 19, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
never been to the playoffs 3 years in a row??
All the great dodger teams through out the years and we have yet to acomplish this feat. I think?? If that fact is right, whoa.
by super eville on Jul 19, 2010 11:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
there was a good post on DT awhile back about how keeping a team that went deep into the playoffs two years in a row intact is not necessarily a great idea.. made me wary of this season.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 19, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
About the Sanchez/Torres play
I coached and played for my college club baseball team the last 3 years and we had a similar play happen to us, except we were the team hitting. The umpire said that the run didn’t count, and I thought it was a force out so I didn’t argue. Luckily that run didn’t cost us the game since we won by 10+ runs. Some of the guys on my team told me I was wrong, so I looked up the rule. After probably an hour of searching, I found the rule Eric posted. I thought I knew just about every rule there was in baseball, but that’s one of the reasons this is such a great game
but I did get to call our umpire and give him a hard time and asked him why we pay him so much if he doesn’t even know the rules
I umpired for 3-4 years and didn’t know this rule until I went to a workshop on umpiring for the city of LA. This is just one of those rules that rarely comes up, so it is easy to forget. Kind of like a ball thrown out of play from the outfield results in 2 bases from where the runners were at the time of the throw, but on the first play from the infield it is 2 bases from where the runners were at the time of the pitch.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
From MLBTR re Dodgers
(sorry if this was already posted)
Dodgers Interested In Many Pitchers
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 19 at 11:35pm CST]
The Dodgers are interested in a variety of starters and relievers, according to Yahoo’s Tim Brown. They are calling to inquire about Roy Oswalt, Ted Lilly, Dan Haren, Jake Westbrook and Fausto Carmona. At one point, when Josh Byrnes was running the D’Backs, the Dodgers were discussing a deal for Haren, but those talks are no longer active.
The Dodgers have also expressed interest in available Blue Jays relievers such as Kevin Gregg, Scott Downs and Jason Frasor. GM Ned Colletti is attempting to improve his team’s bullpen, since the Dodgers are within striking distance of the NL West lead, though they currently trail the Padres, Rockies and Giants.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
hm, blockquote fail. Well, you get the gist.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Bullpen help would be nice
but we need to spruce up our offense. Either get a hard hitting 2nd baseman and move dewitt to third, get a hard hitting third baseman and bench the beard, or give up on manny and get someone we can rely on.
I don’t really like the idea of trying to get bullpen help. Grab a starter and move McDonald and Jansen into the pen as reinforcements, that should be enough to solidify the staff. It is all moot really, if Manny can’t stay on the field then we don’t have enough offense to make it work for us.
I like this thought
Unless the team trading us a starter wants to thrown in a reliver, (Oswalt/Lindstrom or Marcum/Downs) I think a starter is what we need. Nice to know they’re inquiring, for whatever that’s worth. Interesting to see they were talking with the D-backs for Haren.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I would support trying to get Carmona, who is quietly putting together a nice season. I just think we should be a little gun shy about dealing with Cleveland.
I don't know about him
hasn’t he been awful the past couple of years?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the idea of moving James and Kenley into pen and acquiring starter, too
(depending o the starter). I know I liked the idea of acquiring Scott Downs but am afraid of losing more prospects for relievers which is rarely a good thing. Though there are a lot of mediocre prospects in the Dodgers system who wouldn’t be a big deal to lose imho. But maybe better to lose them for a starter. ;-) If we ever trade Russell Martin be nice to do him a favor and trade him to Toronto. But for who, really?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
what I've been saying
is if we trade for a starter to see if we could get a reliever mixed in. Like if we got Marcum, then TOR could throw in Downs.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Righto. I'm definitely into the idea, guess I'm just not sure whether they can do it...
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Funny, I was just thinking about Martin to Toronto (or Boston). I’d do it myself. But Ausmus/Ellis doesn’t look like a long-term answer to me, and Ned seems to have bigger holes to fill than finding another catcher. He probably hopes that Martin will rebound next year with Torre managing the Mets.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Martin doesn’t seem like a long term answer either
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Sad but true. But I refer you to my last sentence ;-)
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Or we could begin the Lucas May + AJ Ellis Genetic Splice experiment.
Call Sarah Polley!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Blake will be the opening day starter in 2011, although I don’t think he’ll stay there all season.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised to see us try to upgrade 3B in the offseason, though I don’t know who could realistically be available that might push Blake into a super-utility role.
I’m guessing that Ned’s priorities will be:
1. Hiring a manager not associated with Joe Torre—I’d be tired of sharing power with my HOF field manager.
2. Replacing Manny’s bat, preferably in the corner.
3. Pitching, although the degree required depends in part on who he picks up this month.
And there goes the money. So I think they’ll give Blake another shot, thinking that if it doesn’t work out, DeWitt can slide back over there for Carroll or DeJesus. Of course the wild card would be the best power bat turning out to be a third baseman, or somebody like Uggla who might push DeWitt over there anyway.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Without saying so, Tony Jackson basically implied that Sherrill declined the minor league assignment.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=5393703
Sherrill has a 7.48 ERA in 37 appearances, but he was able to identify a mechanical flaw last week while throwing in the bullpen. He then turned in a solid outing against the Cardinals on Thursday night, retiring two of the three batters he faced, before turning in a typically shaky one on Friday night, when he allowed a run on two hits, including a two-run homer by Cardinals catcher Yadier Molina, in one inning.
The problem of course is that Sherrill will generally never be given the opportunity to work on his problems in the major league level. The Dodgers are trying to win games here.
The bigger problem, as I've been known to harp on
is our idiot manager not putting him in a position to succeed. he had a nice outing because he was facing lefties, he had a bad outing because he faced 4 out of 5 righties.
His new splits:
vs. Lefties: .200 BAA (8 for 40)
vs. Righties: .442 BAA (23 for 52)
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
Sherrill has also walked
8 in the 10 2/3 innings lefty split. He’s just not getting the job done
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 20, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Walks are one thing
getting demolished at a .442 clip is quite another.
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
another frustrating loss
and thoroughly a weird game to be at, we had to ask the 3rd base umpire in between innings why Belliard was called back from 1st and called out, and we never got the explanation for the sac fly double play
as always, it was great to be at the ravine, but I really thought we might pull it out in the end, oh well..
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
also kinda interesting that you and Grant both chose the same picture for the post game recaps heh..
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Here's a hypothetical
What if we were sellers at the deadline? I’m not saying this to be pessimistic, rather just wondering what we could get in return for some of our players. Here’s who I think would be available in trade:
Manny – assuming he was healthy, we might get a decent prospect
Kuroda – could get a pretty good haul, I would try to get Ramos from Minn
Martin – getting expensive but might still be attractive to some teams
Belliard – Det and Cincy just lost 3B to injury, might be a good stopgap for those teams
doubt the Twins would give us Ramos for Kuroda. he’s like their #1 prospect isn’t he? As for Martin, I just have a feeling if he’s traded he’s gonna be one of those guys who rediscovers his form after leaving. I’d rather stick with him unless we have something better. I would look into the Belliard thing right now though, the guy’s just not gonna get the playing time methinks.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Ramos was rumored to be available for Lee. Grant it, Kuroda is not Lee but he is pretty darn good and Minn has Mauer blocking him. Getting Kuroda to go with Liriano and Pavano would increase their playoff hopes.
true
I think the fact that Mauer is blocking him is the only hope for something like that.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Business wise it makes sense, but PR wise I can’t imagine the Dodgers being sellers considering all the flack Dodgers ownership is taking along the lines of the “divorce cheapness”.
Agreed
Frank can’t be a seller this year of all years, it gives too much ammo to Jamie’s side as well as all of his other critics. Ned will get a couple of pitchers this month and then hope that the Padres collapse. Bigger changes come this winter.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes. This is what will happen.
When you say “Bigger changes come this winter,” what do you envision? BecauseI could see that, but I could also see picking up a SP, jamming a Paul/Johnson platoon into LF, filling out the bench and ’pen and calling it a day.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
You could well be right—I’ve said all year that X Paul would be the starting left fielder in 2011. But now I wonder—so I’m sticking with what I said above: he’s going to hire a manager not named Mattingly and then try to get a power bat to replace Manny. Pitching acquisitions depend on what he does in the next few weeks, but I expect him to let Kuroda walk as he did Wolf, so yes, he’ll need a SP somehow someway.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
if Juan Pierre, I mean Xavier Paul is our starting LFer next year, we will have finished our team transition into the 2008 SF Giants.
I wish he had that power.
Christ, how did that ball go out last night?
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
80 mph high change up
if that ball didnt go out, that guy has juan pierre power
Only when 2 bench OF played.
When only one sub OF was used, Torre went with the opposing hand every time but once through a few weeks ago (last time I checked), and that time was Reed Johnson against Chris Volstad in April.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess June 30 Dre did not play. But in any case, I think that reed’s ineffectiveness against righties is actually what is keeping GA on the roster! Cut them both.
I completely missed the Brian Burres game (Apr 29). Thanks.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised if they take a shot on Jermaine Dye in the offseason to pair him with Paul. I believe Gomes may be in a little higher demand after two decent seasons in a row, but I do like the X-Men in LF.
No chance
Dye would simply be the Manny experiment all over again and they won’t revisit that. Dye is strictly a DH now and if he was able to play the outfield he’d be playing this year.
Biggest thing that's been missing
is the situational hitting. I know the pitching’s been bad, and maybe that’s the biggest difference from last year. Last year it seems that we had the hitting to be able to survive and get over bad pitching performances.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 7:23 AM PDT reply actions
How can you be sellers in LA
when you are only a few games back of the Wild Card. Season Ticket holders didn’t plunk down 2,000 – 100,000 to watch the team give up on July 31st while still in the race.
it was just a hyopthetical
and he was only speculating on players who will either be gone or who most are not really high on anymore.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
We can’t and we are not going to. Ned will go out and trade for someone like Westbrook or maybe even Ben Sheets and the rotation will be solidified. I am just not confident that Manny will stay healthy long enough for us to make a serious run and really any serious run was predicated on a Manny being close to an elite level hitter.
This is the clincher for me. If Manny can’t produce the rest of the year, I think it will be tough to win the division.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
That is why I brought it up. Manny really is the linchpin, if he can’t stay healthy for longer than a couple of ABs then I feel any acquisition is probably futile. I was just tempted into thinking about the kind of players we could get if we decided that this team wasn’t going to fulfill its full potential.
I understand
but only fans give up in July while still within striking distance of a playoff berth, Front Offices don’t. Trades are going to be made, prospects will be flying out of here, it is the way of the Ned. The failures of Elbert, McDonald, Lindblom, Link, and Haegerhave paved the way for him to move prospects for veterans.
However the biggest problem might be 3rd base because with no Manny, this team cannot afford a weak hitting 3rd baseman but I doubt that Ned has any plans to upgrade 3rd base. He probably couldn’t even if he wanted to. The Tigers just lost theirs, the Twins never had one, and even the Reds have to wonder about Rolen.
For the record I’d be a seller and would also move Manny, Blake, Kuroda. Even Furcal if the haul was worth it. In fact the only player on my don’t trade list is Kershaw.
If things continue to suck
which I don’t think they will(even if we don’t make the playoffs I think this team finds a way to make it “close”) there is still waivers, which if in another month we have fallen even further back, we can put manny and kuroda on.
Agree with all of this, epecially the part about 3B. We need a plan for that position not only for the remainder of the season but for next year as well.
someone mentioned Mark Reynolds
and now the idea won’t leave my head. Someone’s earned some wrath.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Blake was out hitting Reynolds until Blake decided to get any hits this week.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
that's what I mean!!
I think Casey needs more rest than he’s been getting though.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Just about
I mean come on, we all had to be expecting this day to comne when he signed that contract. He can still be a useful utility infielder I think, but an everyday starter?
It was me
I apologize. The idea has stricken me as well. I’m all for trading our entire farm system to AZ for Haren, Drew and Reynolds and letting Arizona rebuild.
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
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Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
Looking at salaries
Haren: $12.75m in 2011, $12.75m in 2012, $15.5m option in 2013 ($3.5m buyout)
Reynolds: $5m in 2011, $7.5m in 2012, $13m option in 2013 ($500k buyout)
Drew: second year arb, probably $5.5m or so in 2011 ($3.4m this year)
Payroll is already at ~$85.6 million for next year, and this move adds about $23m and leaves us with what, Casey Blake as the LF?
I don’t see it, at least the non-Haren parts of it.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention
we dont’ have the prospects the Diamondbacks would want to rebuild from. You don’t give up your core for our ? marks.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Oh it totally wouldn’t work.Pipe dreams are fun though.
But hey, we’d have no minor league expenses :)
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
and likely
get destroyed a few years down the line. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I think I mentioned it last week before you did
We’re both totally awesome!
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Underdog posted the MLB Trade Rumors piece above
but I was struck just now that the actual Tim Brown material spins it differently: Ned is “very aggressive,” a Haren deal was fairly close, and Haren talks are back on. Well, at least according to those “baseball sources.”
Losers of four in a row and with 13 of their next 17 games against the San Francisco Giants and San Diego Padres, the Dodgers, according to baseball sources, have been very aggressive in their pursuit of pitching, both for the rotation and the bullpen. They continue to call the Houston Astros on Roy Oswalt(notes), the Chicago Cubs on Ted Lilly(notes), the Diamondbacks on Haren and even the Cleveland Indians on Jake Westbrook(notes) and Fausto Carmona(notes). The Diamondbacks once believed they had a possible fit with the Dodgers and Haren, but that was during the Byrnes era and those talks had to be restarted
.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions
Haren
would be a very real upgrade. How much will we have to give up to get the Dbacks to do that trade? Its not going to be pretty.
that’s interesting that the D-backs thought there was a fit. I wonder who was to go in that package?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Would you be shocked if Gordon never even made the majors and Withrow became a reliever?
They might be the 2 best prospects, but they aren’t exactly elite prospects we’d be sending to get an elite pitcher.
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
So I'd say the odds makers
would put Westbrook and Carmona higher then Oswalt, Lilly, and Haren with Haren/Oswalt not going to happen at all. I could see Lilly and I’d welcome him.
I hope if we do deal with the Indians Ned uses a different scout to give him advice.
Agree with this completely. I don’t feel that Wade and his staff are that astute, IF we were willing to absorb some salary we could probably get Oswalt rather cheaply. Think Lambo, Martin plus some other piece.
Dryaton McLane throws a wrench into any Astros deal, as he seems to hold on to his stars for too long.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
i read some Houston newspaper article online describing him as “paralyzed” about them.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Paralyzed by indecision, that was it
Most of it is the guy putting down Carlos Lee, but deeper in it talks about McLane.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I could run through the giant list of terrible ideas Mark Shapiro has, but then you could just refute it with Carlos Santana.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Lol, did not see what the Astros wanted from the Mets for Oswalt? No way we’re getting him…
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus, I think the Astros are getting more desperate to ditch his salary.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, that’s no help since the Dodgers will want cash to offset it.
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Casey Blake TIC fanpost
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/7/20/1578512/casey-blake-will-lead-you-to-the
Josie Becker has her debut article up on SB Nation Los Angeles.
Read it, or suffer the consequences.
Last Night
Was the first time I almost had to eject someone for language.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 9:27 AM PDT reply actions
It’s adult softball. Sportsmanship rules in S.C.M.A.F. do not allow for cussing. I don’t mind people doing it in a low voice to themselves or to their team (within reason) after a frustrating hit or play, but this team was constantly telling inappropriate stories with loud F-bombs, and we had kids present in the stands.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I think in the last 10 years we’ve had one person get kicked out of a game. Basically for arguing a call at first base with an ump. The ump finally told him to stop and told him one more word from you and you are gone. The guy said something like “Ok”, and was then booted.
I have ejected two people. First one was a team that just had a horrible defensive inning that climaxed with them obstructing a runner in a run down where they threw the ball way too many times. The runner would have been out, but the girl throwing the ball never left the base line and ran into him. That just set him off into a cussing tirade in my direction. I let him go for about 5 seconds, warned him, and it kept going. So, I tossed him. He then charged me with the intent to fight.
Second time I tossed someone was because of a dispute of hitting the ball up the middle all night. The batter and pitcher kept having words. After 2 warnings the batter suggested settling things physically, I tossed him right away. In retrospect I should have tossed both of them for talking back and forth with each other.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
In those cases what kind of action does the league coordinator take? I would think they would both be banned from playing in that league again. My biggest complaint being the SS for our team is the runners not sliding or getting out of the way on a double play throw to first base. It’s so tempting to just peg the runner in the chest with a throw, but that wouldn’t be cool.
We call the batter/runner out at 1B if the runner going to second does not avoid contact or interference. It used to be called slide or avoid, but lawsuits dictate not telling people they need to slide. It is a tricky thing to call as a one person umpire. I have to judge whether the runner really got in the way of the SS or if the SS just couldn’t make the play, but I call it all the time if someone just runs in standing straight up. Hands go up, deadball, runner is out at 1B too!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know what the league did with the guy that charged, he should be out for a season at least. It was a different league then the group I work with now. Here in Pasadena he would have probably been banned for life if not the season, and then he would have to go before a panel to plead his case for coming back.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I believe so…and I am pissed that I have to work tonight.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Ryan Bingham
Is playing a free concert at Levitt Pavillion next Thursday. He is the winner for best song from Crazy Heart, and his stuff is darn good.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions
Just a question
if Sands continues to do well in AA, does he get an invite to Major League Camp at ST?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 9:38 AM PDT reply actions
Yes, the Indians will surely give him an invite
by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He Who Shall Not Be Named hit a bases loaded fly-out to CF at the exact moment Furcal hit one out last night. Was watching MLB Network and Dodger game picture-in-picture. Was kinda cool.
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
I don’t think he would get an invite but would still find his way into several games
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric
here is the payroll link
http://www.truebluela.com/section/payroll
but it only shows 2009 /2010
You keep mentioning we already have 80 something million for 2011, do you have a link to that? I’ve forgotten how much of the dead money falls off from 2010, and having a hard time understanding with Manny, Kuroda, Sherrill being gone why still so high.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Always on right sidebar
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/1/14/720656/dodger-payroll
and I took Sherrill off 2011
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Not saying you should take him off, but I doubt Martin gets that much. To me, he is a prime candidate to be non-tendered.
For now he’s just a placeholder, and I will have to revise, but he’s probably at least at $6.5m
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Dang
If Martin makes 11mil in arbitration in 2012 my head actually will explode. Exhibit A for why we can’t let our studs make it to the final year without being signed long term.
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
Wow, we are screwed
I may have to join the Humma delegation. Doesn’t like we could afford Martin, seems like a total non-tender or trade candidate.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I am thinking non-tender this offseason. There are usually plenty of veteran catchers to choose from like your Henry Blancos, Miguel Olivos, and John Bucks. It makes me a little sad to think of Martin in this sense because I thought he was going to be a franchise mainstay for years just a short time ago.
The thing about the Humma delegation
it’s not just doom and gloom. There is doom, and there is gloom, but I always thought that this year would be a last good bite at the apple.
That’s what makes this trade deadline so tricky. I could support the Dodgers getting a player that could help them in 2010. However, the only valuable trade chits the Dodgers have are in the low minors, and those are the guys that the Dodgers need to keep and develop so that the next wave of Dodger talent comes up in 2013 and beyond. Tricky. Not sure what the right thing to do is.
And I agree that Martin might get non-tendered. But that is not good news. If Martin gets non-tendered, he will almost certainly be replaced by somebody who is not as good as Martin, even taking into account how lousy Martin is playing. And with the payroll already screwed, I just don’t see how the Dodgers are going to fill all the holes.
One more thing. Even if the Dodgers do go through tough times, that is OK. With a couple of exceptions, you could even say that the Dodgers did the right thing — they saw that with Manny and a good young core, they could have a very nice run and maybe even get to a World Series. It hasn’t quite worked and this year’s squad may need a little more help that might not come because the cupboards are bare. Oh well. Every team, except maybe the Yankees, has a success cycle. Which is better — to max out the peaks, like the Dodgers are doing, getting higher highs and lower lows? Or smoothing them out, getting 87 wins a season and hoping everything goes right one of those years and you catch lightning in a bottle, win 90, and move on?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
If Martin gets non-tendered, he’ll look for other options (i.e. teams).
by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
He will look
but will any of those teams actually offer him such a great contract he won’t even give us another look? His feelings will be hurt, but that doesn’t entirely rule him out from coming back.
Manny is getting paid more in 2011 and 2012 than he is in 2010
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Old friend alert
Ramon Ortiz is pitching on the MLB Network. They are showing a AAA game. BTW, he is dominating
29 pitches, 26 strikes thru 3.
LOL
I was reading the MiLB update (thanks meercatjohn)
sounds like Lindblom has been getting it together his past few appearances. Any word on if his velocity has started to come back? Leach has started to do ok as a starter it seems.
I know Jansen probably won’t be called up before Sept, but is there any chance he goes to AAA for a spell before that? Or would that be messing with him too much?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 10:03 AM PDT reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong
but our AA team seems to be where all the talent is, while AAA is basically our MLB reserves. If we were to bring a prospect up, it would be from AA with them skipping AAA completely. If we just need a quick fix replacement, it’d come from our AAA team.
I feel like it’s been that way since like, Beltre.
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
I thought we put that myth to bed
many of our “top” prospect have played at least 1/3 a season in AAA, with very few jumping right from AA to the majors.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, that was me who presented it
I think Kershaw was the only one who skipped AAA entirely.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Since Ned has been here, guys who jumped from AA to the majors:
James Loney (fill in for Nomar to begin ’06)
Matt Kemp
Clayton Kershaw
Cory Wade
Scott Elbert
Travis Schlichting
by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Guys who went back to AAA after that brief promotion
Loney, Kemp, Wade, Elbert, Schlichting
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, no. He came up first under DePo. Nevermind.
by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
DeWitt and Leach also played their first ML game before reaching AAA.
by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
but guys like Schlichting, Wade, and Leach were filler not prospects. My point is that the top prospects still spend some time at AAA before being considered for “full time duty” not fill in’s for injury problems.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok ya I wasn't sure
Only joined the TBLA community like, a month ago. I’m learning a lot of new angles I hadn’t previously considered and being able to put them in a historical context/trend.
So thank you :)
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
So last night, I was bored and without a pc
so I found myself on twitter (apologies, I was bored). However, I did get into an interesting conversation with Reg regarding Ethier and Ethier being traded.
How likely do you think Dre gets traded anytime soon? I know that his value right now would get us a bunch of prospects but I think that trading him would be a huge detriment to the sqaud, any playoff hopes, and a huge PR issue.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
well according to Peter Gammons
the Red Sox would look at him. (i say that with venom)
Trading Dre would be a mistake.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly, notice the venom
Gammons is a well known Red Sox homer
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I would file that under Highly Unlikely.
The only reason we were talking about it is because Peter Gammons was bored and wondering aloud whether they would, and trade him to his beloved BoSox. Imho, he’s going nowhere.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
1. I agree that Ethier is going nowhere. He won’t be traded. And he probably shouldn’t be traded until the Dodgers are done for the year.
2. This offseason, I think Ethier should be traded. His reputation now exceeds his value. His defense stinks. He shouldn’t be starting against lefties. And, after his hot start, his numbers are starting to come down to earth. I haven’t forgotten what he did for the team in April — he carried them when nobody else was hitting. But he will end the year somewhere in the 850 OPS range that he always ends up. Despite all that, he has a rep for being an All Star, one of the Dodgers bright young stars. If he brings 2-3 top prospects, good ones, that is an offer the Dodgers should not turn down.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Can XPaul not play RF?
I was under the impression that Ethier in LF would be less horrifyingly bad, defensively, than Ethier in RF.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
That is the correct defensive alignment, but it would be hard to tell an All-Star to move from his spot for a rookie, especially one that is not highly touted.
Next year
Ethier to left
Kemp to Right
And the Dodgers find a centerfielder?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
“And starting in Center Field, number twenty-eight, Alfreeeeeedo Ameeeeeezaga!!”
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
After looking at the sidebar 2011 pay projections, the GM will be busy reconfiguring the team that will wind up taking the field in 2011.
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Forgot to mention the obvious
You have to take my opinions with a grain of salt. I think the team won’t be contenders in ’11 or ’12 so I advocate trades that will certainly keep them from being contenders in ’11 and ’12. What a nice neat bow I have tied on that package.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
First, sure, he'd fetch a lot in value so it'd be something to look at in the offseason
but as others have said, he can move to LF where’s a better fit defensively. And 2nd, so we have no Manny and no Ethier in the OF next year? That’s a lot f offense to try and make up. Not saying there wouldn’t be options out there in free agency mind you (Werth for one, though, I’d rather have Ethier, Kemp and Werth, because that sounds better, but unlikely).
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I'd rather have him
than Werth. I’m really not that high on him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I didn't even mention Crawford because i don't see it happening
unless Dodger finances really change next year. But would certainly love him.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I support this. Ethier’s trade value makes it something we should at least look at in the offseason.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Found it
Anyone who read my plea yesterday wondering if anyone had an idea which browser page might be saying “pass me some of that garlic stuff” out loud every hour or so: I think I’ve found it. It looks like it was Dylan Hernandez’ twitter page. (I don’t do tweeting, this is the browser html page version.) I shut it (it hadn’t updated in 24 hours anyway) and the noise stopped. There really did not seem to be any button or control there that would turn off the talking.
Twitter pages don’t have voice ads or whatever.
I still think it could be a virus.
by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Regifield was right. source is MLBTR
The Dodgers are interested in Pirates lefty Paul Maholm, reports Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Yahoo’s Tim Brown wrote yesterday that the Dodgers “have been very aggressive in their pursuit of pitching.”
Maholm, 28, has a 4.03 ERA, 4.5 K/9, and 3.2 BB/9 in 114 innings, with nine home runs allowed. With so few strikeouts, it’s likely that Maholm’s ERA will be higher from here on out. On the plus side, his 50.3% groundball rate ranks 12th in the National League according to FanGraphs. That rate has been higher in previous seasons.
Maholm signed a three-year, $14.5MM extension in January of 2009. He’s got only $1.86MM remaining this year, $5.75MM in 2011, and a $9.75MM club option for ‘12 with a $750K buyout. That’s $8.36MM guaranteed through ’11, which has to be enticing for the Dodgers given their financial constraints.
Just saw that too
Well he’d be a better 5th starter than any of the other guys have fared this year. But would rather not give up much for him.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I’d take him. He would fill out the backend of the rotation fairly well and probably wouldn’t cost a ton in prospects, plus he would fill a rotation spot for next season.
One guy wants Kershaw & Ethier, someone else wants Loney & May.
by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Kershaw and Ethier huh?
Is that all? They got LaRoche and Morris for Jason Bay, yet the Pirates are going to get Ethier and Kershaw for Paul Maholm? Makes sense.
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
In context it seems less stupid
100% opposed!
The Dodger’s already defiled us once with the Bay trade…so unless we get Kershaw & Ethier then no effin WAY!
dude is just pissed about Laroche.
Man I was tempted to register to comment there but not worth the effort...
But boy… Pirates fans are delusional from all those years of losing I guess.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I wanted to trade for Maholm before the year started
i’d still be cool with it.
Career x-FIP: 4.32
Randy Wolf career x-FIP: 4.33
That being said, this is his worst year x-FIP wise of his career which he is far exceeding his ERA. He would have been cheaper in the offseason.
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
And I don't agree that he'd come cheap
the Pirates don’t have to trade him, he’s their most expensive player and he’s cheap so for them to trade him they will need to actually get a player then think will help the team.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
If it’s Sands, then I’ll use Eric’s famous quote.
by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
It won't be Sands
Sands will be traded for relief help.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
We could trade back for Joel Hanrahan
the guy we non tendered just as he became useful.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Pirate Pitching in 2010
http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Pirates&pos=all&stats=pit&qual=0&type=1&season=2010&month=0
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
They say the Meek shall inherit
you know the Book doesn’t lie
It’s not a question of merit
it’s not demand and supply
You know the Meek gonna get it —
And you’re a Meek little guy
You know the Meek is gonna get what’s comin’ to ’em
By and by
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I prefer him than trading the other “good” guys we have.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Eovaldi/DeJesus might get it done. Current all-star, DeJesus would be the guy who could either replace Cedeno or Walker if Walker can’t handle the defensive requirements of 2nd base.
I’d ask for McDonald and DeJesus.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather not give up DeJesus...
Hu and Eovaldi? Something like that…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Because he is a known quantity?
Or do you think Ely’s ceiling is as a number 5 and Maholm is simply going to be better?
Maholm has now put in full years where his x-FIP has varied from the high 3’s to the mid 4’s. I don’t see Ely being able to replicate that. I think when scouting reports started floating around on Ely, he was clobbered. I don’t see him putting in a full year as strongly as Maholm could next year.
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Maholm and McCutchen
asking too much too soon?
I still like the idea of Nyjer Morgan playing CF
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
ha yeah
if they throw in McCutchen we’ll pay the rest of Maholm’s salary.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers are going to pay Maholm’s salary anyway.
Pittsburgh ain’t picking up the tab for Los Angeles.
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
i know
it was a joke, and I’m sure you got it too. Still to sore a spot to be funny I’m sure.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I guess I didn’t get the joke.
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
then
I obviously didn’t tell it right.
Santana
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Maholm..........
why can’t we have nice things?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
ha ha
Think how Pirate fans feel. That is their best pitcher.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly - so DeJesus
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that means
it’s a case of a non-move being better than that move
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers are gonna need to get another starting arm to take the pressure off the existing staff. If not, things will not continue as they have been , they will get worse.
The Dodgers are not going to spend big money this season for more help.
A guy like this just costs prospects. Which is fine with McCourt.
And a move like this would give the Dodgers al ot of flexibilty for making changes in the future (2011) too.
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Which is important for us
given our rotation for 2011 right now looks like Kershaw/Billingsley.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Do we have the infield defense to make a GB pitcher better?
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by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
How does the Dodger infield defense compare to the Pirates?
He might have a few more flyballs get caught in DS too?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
How does the Dodger infield defense compare to the Pirates?
He might have a few more flyballs get caught in DS too?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
OT a bit
what are the odds we resign Padilla again next year?
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
i say pretty good
if he keeps pitching like this. Is it a good idea? who knows.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Perfectly on topic.
We are talking about trading for Maholm, at least partially because the 2011 rotation is a mess.
I think those chances that Padilla gets re-signed are pretty good and barring a meltdown of any kind, maybe close to 100%. He has given the Dodgers what was asked of him, right?
Like Tommy, I don’t know that I endorse such a move, but I think it would happen.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
i like Padilla
but if he does pitch like this the whole year, he might want more than the team is willing to give him next year.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
and as Reg would say, what are the odds he can pitch this well all season.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Won't he end up pricing himself right out of our budget
if he continues to pitch this well?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
that was my concern with him
he’s pitching like a legit #2 starter since coming back, and we can’t afford to pay him like one.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 20, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
If he leaves, he’ll need to go to a team that has other people he can get along with.
For some reason he seems fairly happy in Los Angeles.
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I want to say
no one is stupid enough to pay him, but I know that sadly enough I’m wrong. I would love him back for a decent contract at least as a backend guy. I think our rotation next year is going to be Kersh/Billz and 3 number 4/5 starters.
Is this his only stop on his tour where he hasn’t made some waves?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
overlooking the shooting incident, of course :)
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
One question I have
is his name pronounced muh-HOME or muh-HOLL-um? I’ve heard both. But it’s Rick Monday who’s said muh-HOLL-um, so that could be very wrong.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Every time he was pitching
I thought Terry Mulholland was still in baseball.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
What’s the difference between Maholm and Mark Hendrickson? Other than Hendrickson had a strikeout rate over five.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1574&position=P
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8678&position=P
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by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Missed that he was more of a ground ball pitcher. 4.5 K/9 is scary as hell though.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
This does seem like the worst possible time to get Maholm. His ERA is decent enough, but his K/9 is at his lowest point of his career and his BB/9 is at his highest of his career. BABIP is down quite a bit since last year but its not lower than what you’d expect at around .300.
This is when you rely on your scouts I guess, since his peripherals are going the wrong way.
As everyone else has said, grabbing Maholm is fine with the right deal since he’s young and has posted some pretty solid years in the past. But the Dodgers are desperate and Maholm currently has an ERA lower than Billingsley so if the Dodgers think they are getting a real upgrade in the rotation it could be a disastrous transaction.
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Manny should contact Conte
really, if he’s testing clean, and you can look at his increased performance as real, why wouldn’t more players follow that regiment?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
i was thinking that, I thought I typed it too. Guess I was wrong. If it keeps him healthy and it’s not against the rules, why not?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
byrd sounds pretty smart
Stay on the same schedule of food every day and you are going to be a better player. Even if it is a placebo. Wade Boggs ate chicken every day. That was his thing. Me, I believe in taking supplements before games.
Russell Martin, he who is forever slammed on TBLA is 2nd in WAR among position players.
Kemp's WAR is lower than
DeWitt, Blake, and Reed Johnson. Raise your hand if you expected that.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that a function of his position and playing time?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Manny doesn’t have the positional adjustment that Martin has. Also, Martin has played more than Manny so his value is higher, and if Manny had the same amount of games as Martin it would be a much different story. But I guess that’s why that part of WAR is there, because hurt players are worth less.
Jeez, Kemp has the biggest replacement level on the team at 13.6…He makes me sad :(
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
That just means Kemp’s played more than anyone.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I get that
But as it doesn’t show any skill to just show up and play, it means the same thing I give Martin shit for is what is providing much of Kemp’s value in 2010.
3.8 Batting
-16.0 Fielding
13.6 Replacement
1.4 Positional
God that looks sad :(
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
It’s not saying it takes skill to show up and play, it’s just converting from league average to replacement level.
And if you’re better than the alternative, showing up and playing is a good thing.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but it’s just giving credit for showing up and playing. Just because someone shows up to class every day doesn’t make them a good student.
I know Kemp is normally much better than average, he is just so wow bad this year.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Would you say he’s getting credit for showing up and playing if we just said replacement level is 80% of league average?
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup
because catchers fielding can so easily be metricized. Try this sort instead
http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Dodgers&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=0&type=6&season=2010&month=0
where you sort by Batting
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by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
lol GA
-12. bless your olde heart.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Martin is rated 4th out of all qualified catchers.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=c&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2010&month=0
Mind you, that is 4th out of 9 qualified catchers. If anything, it shows that most teams do not have a primary catcher, they switch them in and out on a regular basis.
Question: if most teams do not have a catcher that can play every day, then what is that — with a 350 OBP and no SLG to speak of — worth? Could it be that Martin is earning his money just by showing up and getting on base as much as he does?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s exactly why Martin is number two on the team. Since he always plays, we never have to see backup catcher production which is much, much worse.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I forget who posted their 4 points on Martin yesterday, but point 3 was right on for me. I don’t know what it is, but Martin just seems to be a total jerk of late…I used to love rooting for him, but he makes it difficult with his performance and very difficult because of his attitude (that I can only judge based on what I see, so take that with a grain of salt).
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
might just be perception
when you’re playing well, it’s passion. When you’re not, you a jerk.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Early on, when things were going good, he was full of hustle and energy.
Now, things not going quite so well, a hyper guy who is burned out?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
It was Phil.
I find it interesting that we can look at Martin and say, “We hate his attitude” when to me, he looks as serious as anyone else on the field. That’s like saying that Broxton is a dick because he’s mean looking on the mound.
Unless, of course, there’s something I’m missing.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I think its stuff like
with Drew ealier, or just him cussing every time he is at the plate seemingly.
I don’t have a problem with him getting mad on the field, but just the way he has interacted with other players from teams and with the umpires. I am sure he is frustrated, but I don’t mind the kind of anger I see from Andre in the dugout.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t have a problem with Martin’s attitude. I have a problem with Martin grounding out weakly to 3rd base.
agreed 100%
I think if Martin wasn’t getting all mad, we’d be accusing him of not caring.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
He only gets credit for being a catcher and playing so much, not because he actually has good stats.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
He has plus fielding, which is one knock constantly made against him.
You know, like every time a Dodgers pitcher has a wild pitch.
Maybe I put too little into catcher’s defense, but I just wish I could see some damned offense out of Russ…or at least something like he use to do…2008 seems ages ago.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I remember he use to have a nice up the middle swing
WTF happened to him?
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
exactly
though to be fair, he did have three hits yesterday.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
So I thought I'd check out the Pirates SB Nation blog...
…to see their reaction to a Maholm deal and…there isn’t one. They do seem happy with Alvarez though.
My reaction—depends on what he costs. He’s young and tied up for awhile, so I do think he’d be better than Garland.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 11:22 AM PDT reply actions
seems a better/cheaper option
then some of these others dudes we’ve been linked with (Washburn, Carmona, Oswalt, etc)
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 20, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
MLBTR commenter wanted Gordon AND E. Martin for Maholm. lol… As Mike would say, “It’s nice to want things”.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
what's the scouting report on Maholm?
I hardly pay attention to the Pirates.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM PDT reply actions
I hope we aren't getting excited of Maholm
Championship!!!
Or…
5th starter.
I am intrigued by the news of looking into Oswalt and Haren…but I just don’t see it happening.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
The D-Backs wanted Webster for Garland last year, so I’d imagine he would have been part of the Haren package.
by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it's a price I'm willing to pay
Gordon
Webster
Eovaldi
Russell
Fringe Prospect
Any chance of this happening? I really don’t know, I’m not putting much of any thought into it.
Either way, if we get Haren he will be here for at least this and next year, and I believe an option for the year after (though I’m not sure if it’s team or player). I want Haren bad.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Does that package
come close to Carlos Gonzalez, Chris Carter, Greg Smith and Brett Anderson?
by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
If they are expecting that back
They can keep Haren because not one person on earth is dumb enough to give that package for Haren with how those players have turned out.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Ahh
But that is the rub, the Diamondbacks did make the big move with several of their top prospects for Haren and while you cannot argue with what Haren has done for them (and he also signed a pretty fair extension), certainly trading Gonzalez and also Quentin that season really hurt their depth.
But it gave them a one/two punch with Webb that would have kept them competitive in the NL West.
The main problem with the Dodger prospects you list, none of them are absolute locks to contribute at the MLB level.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Are there any prospects that aren't super prospects that are locks to be solid MLB players or stars
?
It’s all chance. I will agree that there are some who have much better chances than others, though.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Arizona should expect at least one guy they can call up right now and not embarrass himself in the bigs. You need to send them a Justin Smoak at least.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
How many Justin Smoaks are left?
Isn’t the reason that Gordon, Martin and Withrow are in BA’s top 50 because all the actual good prospects have been promoted to the majors?
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s no way the D-Backs are trading their best tradeable player for a package headlined by Dee Gordon.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Gordon is still going to be a top prospect, and I’d guess that Webster is making his way top the top 100 as well. 2 top 100 prospects headlining a trade is a good start. It will take more than Eovalid and Russell, but Webster and Gordon as a starting point isn’t a bad place to start.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
To get Haren, Sands has to be headlining… or Withrow..
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Gordon hasn’t shown any real talent but running fast and is reaching a point where he’s gonna need to, and Allen Webster isn’t doing anything dominant enough to make the top 100. You aren’t giving up anyone that has a great chance to contribute at the big league level.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I've been debating whether I'd like to keep Withrow or Webster more
Because Webster’s got a better selection of plus pitches from what I’ve heard, though Withrow seems more polished and has that heavy fastball. I’d gladly include Withrow instead of Webster.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
These people aren’t stupid. They see what we see, a prospect struggling to get his OBP up in AA. As BH said, D-Backs are looking for prospects that can contribute fairly soon and since 8 of out top prospects (according to BA) aren’t exactly ready, there’s not really much we can give. Sands has been crazy hot and he’s our best trade prospect at this time. Withrow has the highest ceiling and at 21 in AA, he’s probably our top one. One of those two HAVE to go.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
And even Jerry Sands
If someone told me in April, that a package highlighted by Jerry Sands would get Dan Haren, I would have laughed and laughed.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
On Baseball America's midseason prospect rankings
the Dodgers had three in the top 50:
Dee Gordon
Chris Withrow
Ethan Martin
I do not know their actual rankings though.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess Pat Haden
will no longer call Notre Dame Football games.
As someone once said, the bad news is your fired Mr Garrett.
Via twitter
Morosi says the Rays are “checking around for possible upgrades” at center field, right field, first base, or catcher — hrm… catcher…
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what were gonna sell Russell Martin to the Rays
actually, oh I like that. Let’s do that one
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
prospects, aren't the Rays like shooting them out
like a T-shirt gun? We aren’t winning a World Series this year, and we’ve done the playoff thing. Let’s sell!
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
heh
this made me laugh. I agree though.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Two things I want
A World Series Ring, and for that ring to be on Andre’s finger. I don’t see any move we could make that could make that happen this year. I’d love to be proven wrong but….
Look at that, he hit the f*cking bull! Guy gets a free steak!
by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
The core of this team has made the NLCS the last two years. If Kemp can start hitting close to what he hit like last year, and with his improved power, he can be a lethal 2 or 5 hitter. I think that may be the big difference between the Dodgers winning 92 games or the Dodgers winning just 85 or so. Stupid crappy Kemp. Hit like you did in April!
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I fully expect Kemp to bounce back. Like I said, it is Manny and Casey Blake that hold our playoff hopes for this year.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Like him or hate him, Martin is still one of the better catchers in MLB. The fact is no one outside of Minnesota and Atlanta are 100% happy with their catching situation. The only argument I’ve ever had against Martin is that he’s still making a boatload of money off of one season 2 years ago.
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
I do not agree.
As Phil points out defensive metrics for catchers are even less reliable than other defensive metrics. We know we can measure his bat, and his bat sucks.
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
and as we talked about at SBN LA night, sure having one platoon catcher play full time wouldn’t be better than Russell Martin, but two platoon catchers, plus the salary relief (easily making half of Martin’s proposed 2011 salary) would probably be fine.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
We should trade for Dunn
and stick him at catcher.
Here me out:
I did the same thing in MLB The Show (and as well all know, that is just like how the MLB really works), and got about 4 or 5 different power 1B types, and stuck them at 2B (Morneau), 3B (Berkman), C (Dunn), and RF (Fielder).
I won 120 games each year for half a decade…
So we all know what needs to be done here ;)
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
by Ivdown on Jul 20, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
someone’s gonna smack you with a rolled up newspaper for that one.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
That is Rediculous
I downloaded the new updated rosters, including the minors from the guys at Operation Sports Forum. So, this stuff would probably not work. I just tried to trade Manny, Martin, and Sherrill to Cleveland for Santana and Choo. It was rejected after a few days, but at least they thought about it!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I won championship after championship while doing it as well :)
I think I should be Ned’s assistant.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Sooner or later, everyone will be Ned’s special assistant.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Special, like "special bus" special, though?
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Prince Fielder at RF?
How’d that work?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I am trying to think of the last time the Dodgers
purposely played a platoon catching duo.
As Phil said a few years ago, the Dodgers have had their run of decent to great catchers over the last 35 years, Fergueson, Yeagar, Scioscia, Piazza, Loduca, Martin. Sure Piazza is on Mt. Rushmore but the rest are certainly better than most.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
for two months, DePo’s Folly (aka damn you, Charles Johnson)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think that was the plan
but it did bring us Jason Phillips in 2005.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
the folly was not securing a catcher
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Even offensively, I thought the catching market was so weighted down by crap that he’d still be somewhere in the top third of starting catchers.
Everytime you think how badly you want Frank McCourt gone, ask yourself how you would feel to have Donald Sterling instead.
Bottom third.
wOBA of .309 is good for 17th for catcher with at least 200 plate appearances.
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless you want Ned run out of town
I would not recommend he trade another catcher at the trade deadline.
Actually
LoDuca was more beloved by the fans and media so it probably would not be seen as such a big deal
by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Pirate fans discussing a Dodger trade
at a couple of points in this link, for what it’s worth. They seem to like Maholm and Dotel for DeJesus or Gordon plus a second guy.
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2010/7/19/1577300/rosterbation
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 12:17 PM PDT reply actions
This isn't the NBA
the Pirates don’t need equal money to make the deal.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Sherrill is sunk cost
the Dodgers already put him on waivers, unless the Dodgers give him up with the rest of his salary, don’t think he is going in any trades.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't Dotel kind of sometimes horrible?
And over the hill…? He’s overvalued, it’s like they’d be trying to give us their trash.
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The little I heard about it the one guy the Dodgers would not trade when Lee was dealt
The stuff I read said it was Gordon.
Tony Jackson and the guy on MLB.com was just speculating.
by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
He was certainly the guy who was the last guy to be traded last year
Not sure why that would change now.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
It was leaked that Gordon was in the proposed deal last year w/Cleveland.
by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
he was the 5th guy or 4th guy they added right before Lee was dealt to Philly.
Look, he may be fair game and all that but I don’t think Chris Withrow , Aaron Miller or Jerry Sands would be a guy they wouldn’t deal to get a player right now.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers have always been more protective of their top pitching prospects — just look at all of the offensive pieces they’ve traded in comparison to top pitchers.
It was almost certainly Withrow, who in Logan White’s interview earlier this year, talked about protecting in trade scenarios.
by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Ned said he would be a “special” position player..
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
When we met with Ned, Ned was asked about SS depth and he didn’t exactly beam about them. He couldn’t help but mention Gordon’s weight problem.
For what that’s worth.
by Michael White on Jul 20, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like Gordon is always the untouchable prospect in these media discussions because everyone is too goddamn lazy to figure out who else we have in our system.
A. Martinez, I am looking at you.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 20, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I am like Phil
Outside of Kershaw, no one under contract at any level is untouchable.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
This proposed deal makes me want to cry
Dodgers also need bullpen help
maybe trade Dotel, Lopez and Duke for Kenley Jansen,Trayvon Robinson and Scott Van Slyke
by srman on Jul 19, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think people think deals like this could really happen because of our GM.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
where is that from?
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Pirate SB Nation site I linked just above.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
Some of their commenters are unusually knowledgeable about prospects out their organization, so kudos to them. Are you gonna register there to post something? ;-)
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No, I was just lurking to get their reaction to possibly dealing Maholm. I spend too much time online as it is!
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Look just below
The Dodgers are interested in trading, but salary needs to be eaten. You won’t get both Martin and Gordon in a deal for Maholm & Dotel, but I wouldn’t rule out getting one of the Dodger top prospects and a lesser prospect closer to the majors. Colletti and the McCourts have done this kind of deal multiple times (see Sherrill, Garland, and shudders Blake)
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Btw most of my own trade conjecture has to do with trying to help the Dodgers THIS year
and in the future if possible. I am far from giving up on this year, there is still too many games left to play and opportunities to close the gap. The team still has too much talent. But they clearly do need more pitching help, and frankly more hitting, too, to contend this year, with an eye to the future as well. I don’t know exactly which prospects I feel “sure” about giving up but for the right deal and with a farm system full of question marks there are temptations out there.
Anyway, I like the idea of helping the DOdgers this year because I expect them to still compete for a playoff spot.
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Sands with another homer
And a walk.
The continued power is great, but I’m especially thrilled that his patience in his first month in AA has translated so well. He’s keeping his BB% right around 15% like it was with Great Lakes, and his K% has held steady as well.
It’s reaching the point where the national media can no longer just ignore him because he’s 22 year old 25th rounder.
The national media is kind of ignoring a 22 year old 1st rounder we have
I kinda like being under the radar, I dunno. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Does the national media pay attention to anyone who’s not a top 10 prospect or a Yankee/Red Sock?
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
And Heyward was the best prospect in baseball.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't expect any coverage in mainstream
But from the prospect people like Keith Law, who have pretty much uniformly dismissed Sands
I have it as .302 unless today brought it down 50 points.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Minor League Splits. .302 AA, .382 Great Lakes.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
am i doing this wrong?
for AA not including today
Hits (23) – homeruns (7) = 16
ABS (79) + SF/SH (2) – Ks (19) = 62
16/62 = .258
…..?
You forgot to subtract home runs from at bats.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like it’s not including sacrifices.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
it should, right?
especially SF’s?
whatever. Looking at his splits andf %s, he hasn’t really demonstrated one glaring weakness. what do you think?
The only thing that keeps Sands from being our top prospect to me is the strike outs. One every four at bats isn’t terrible, but that’s right where I consider it to be striking out a lot. If he can move than to one every five next year, he’s a top 25 prospect.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The last Dodger prospect to show as much power as Sands - 54 HR in 877 PA
in his first 1000 professional PA.
Andy Laroche – 53 HRs
Matt Kemp – 45 HR
Remember, they were younger than Sands while playing similar competition.
isnt great lakes
A pitchers park?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 20, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Everything pointed to him being just a super stud. His minor league numbers, in terms of power and patience, were just phenomenal. He should have been an all-star third baseman for like a decade.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 20, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I always thought he was a bit undersized. I saw him a bunch of times in the minors and was never that impressed.
What's the strength of this club?
What’s going to carry this team down the stretch? Starting Pitching? Bullpen? Bench? Front Office – ability to make a good move? Defense? Power? Speed?
It just seems like an average team across the board…anyone have an opinion on this?
by Offerman's Glove on Jul 20, 2010 1:07 PM PDT reply actions
I understand it's what he wants...
Regarding possible Maholm trade to Dodgers
I would be fine with young righty fireballer Chris Withrow and RH power bat Jerry Sands. Let me say once more. Sands has CRAZY power.
I don’t want Dee Gordon. He has speed but apparently not much else.
by BadAndy on Jul 20, 2010 1:11 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
But this guy would be at best a 4th starter for us, and likely a 5th starter…how does someone think they would get our best starting pitching prospect and/or our 2nd best positional prospect for him? Ughhh!
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Because fans always value their players higher than they should and downgrade the players on other teams. Its not like this is coming from their gm, so why should you even care?
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 20, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
good
behave yourself and there shall be cookies.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yaaaaaaay!!!!
I actually have one right now too, so that’s really awesome.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
You did just suggest trading Dan Haren for Dee Gordon you know.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would clone Sands and trade him twice
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too. Point was that you wouldn’t want some Snakepit guy using you as an example of how bad Dodger fans are.
by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I also said I wasn’t really putting much into it, because I really wasn’t, and I pretty much figured it wasn’t enough. But you are crazy to think Gordon and Webster wouldn’t be a starting point.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Only if you add in three more players.
Haren is worth even more now then when he was traded. He signed a deal, he’s going to stay a while, that was not a given when he was traded. Any deal for Haren pretty much has to include our top four prospects.
Gordon, WIthrow, Sands, Martin/Webster/Trayvon/
and I don’t think that will get it done compared to what other teams should be offering for him. Good chance that not one of those guys is a major league baseball player.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
to be fair
I hadn’t heard of Flash Gordon myself.
I later heard a song describing him as both “savior of the Earth” and “a miracle.”
so take from that what you will.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Going to tonight's game
Going with a group that formed last season because we all held the same mini-plan and we all used our tickets. Long ago this game was picked to attend. Just lucked into Kershaw vs. Lincecum. The bad news is that several of us had $5 bet against the one guy who is a Giants fan – his wife is the Dodger fan; how do they co-exist? – as to which team would be ahead of the other going into this game. Not long ago, I thought I had this cinched. Ouch. It would have been a bit amusing if the Dodgers had won last night and the teams entered tonight’s game tied.
Not caught up yet with everything around here…..
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Welcome back!
After the Dodgers swept the Giants three weeks ago, they held a 2½ game lead over SF. D’oh!
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
that seems pessimistic
given the Dodgers success against the other teams in the West…
and also, at this point, a big chunk of the competition for the wild card are other NL West teams…
Kershaw
seems to relish big matchups. Whether or not he delivers tonight, he seems to be the type of person who looks forward to a pitching duel. I love that.
He's probably a Giants fan
But that’s okay, still like him. I see his Mythbusters partner in crime up here in SF all the time. He’s even harder to miss.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
should have ordered that
without snark, though I don’t think we do that here. :-)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
MRI confirms what Manny has maintained since the end of last season.
Sure cure is a full time assignment as a DH
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Furcal
Serious question — should he bat 3rd? He’s a 900+ OPS guy. Maybe that’s worthy of a more premium lineup spot.
only in a “hot horse” sort of way. He’s not a true .900 OPS hitter, or at least we shouldn’t expect him to be.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to be snarky but you all realize
that Rafy is about to get hurt. He’s never been this hot without getting hurt.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
not to be rude but
SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(seriously, don’t vocalize my worries, i have enough drinking to do.)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
If Manny goes on the DL do you
bring up Jamie Hoffman to platoon with Paul?
trade for a left fielder like Xavier Nady going with the assumption that Manny is going to brittle for the rest of the year and you better have a good option since Reed Johnson picked a very bad time to go on the DL?
Trade Loney to Texas for Cliff Lee since they forgot that Chris Davis sucks.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I think they call up Hoffmann, and just wait on Reed Johnson.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they
1. Trade Matt Kemp to Tampa for Carl Crawford and Sean Rodriquez
2. Trade Carl Crawford to NY for Brent Gardner and Jobo Chamberlain
3. Trade Brent Gardner to the Red Sox for Ellsbury
4. Trade Ellsbury to the Indians for Westbrook
5. Call up Hoffman to play LF
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
the cubs should have to pay the dodgers to take Nady off their hands
I Like option 3 thought
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 20, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
start him and paul at the corners for a day
and the first Xavier corner outfield is born!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
From today's game notes
Sports Illustrated announced today All-Star closer Jonathan Broxton has the second-best fastball in the game today, according to an SI Poll of 339 Major Leaguers. Detroit ’s Justin Verlander was first, garnering 30% of the vote and Broxton tallied 11%. Colorado starter Ubaldo Jimenez came in third with 7% of the vote
I think they should differentiate between a relief pitchers fastball and a starters. JMO
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
very good point, as Broxton’s is effective for only 25 pitches
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Pat Haden?
Will Timers get along with him?
I always liked Haden, just wish he’d had bigger hands and maybe the Rams would’ve had bigger years. Haden to JJ McKay was the bomb.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Julio must be busy with this breaking story
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
After pre-writing the “Dodgers Acquire Roy Halladay” trade deadline post last year, I have given up on pre-writing.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Man who no like talk
replaced by
Gifted public speaker
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that pre-written post was to us getting Halladay
as your Ethier Triple Crown Bar was to Ethier getting injured ;)
I think both were necessary, though. sigh
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Fine
I’ll go get some work done, but don’t think I’m happy about it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It's been a busy day
I’m not happy about not wasting more time in here today.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Buster_ESPN
Heard this: The Dodgers are looking for a starter AND a reliever. They presumably will need $ relief, like they got in Casey Blake deal.
I guess someone read the Yahoo! article..
$ relief
I already gave at the ticket office
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 20, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Who would benefit more from Dodger Stadium
Haren or Maholm?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 2:29 PM PDT reply actions
one is good and a fly ball pitcher
one is not good and is a ground ball pitcher
If you are talking stadium effects only, Haren by 6,000,000,000,000,0000,00000,000000,000000
If you are talking outfield defense, it is a tossup
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
i figured
gahh, I want……..
he’d be more expensive to get then Oswalt though.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Kenley Jansen
Just for fun has 16.6 K/9 rate in AA after 25 innings. He doesn’t qualify for the leaders because he would need 31 innings. However if he did the closest is 12.7.
For those who don’t know, a 16.6 K/9 is insane, even in AA.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Bring him up, give him some red-rimmed glasses, and cue up the theme song.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It fits so damned perfectly
Was Kenley in the California Penal League last year ;)
Ok, I’m watching that movie tonight. For Lou Brown!
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
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