Dodgers Latest Loss Exposes A Mound Of Problems
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 10:42 PM PDT
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PrintAs if losing five games in a row wasn't enough, the Dodgers found a more devastating and bizarre way to lose tonight, giving up three runs in the ninth, losing 7-5 with a little help from Giants manager Bruce Bochy.
With one out and the bases loaded in the top of the ninth, up by a run, acting manager Don Mattingly made a visit to the mound to discuss strategy with Jonathan Broxton and the infield. However, as he was leaving the mound, Mattingly got to the grass, then turned around after James Loney asked a question. Bochy noticed this rule:
VISITS TO THE MOUND BY A Manager or coach are covered under rule 8.06 in the Official Baseball Rules and section 7.12 in the Major League Baseball Umpire Manual. A trip to the mound begins when a manager or coach crosses the foul line. It ends when the manager or coach leaves the 18-foot circle surrounding the pitcher’s rubber.
Technically, Mattingly made two visits to the mound, meaning Broxton had to be removed from the game. At that point, nobody was warming up, naturally with their closer on the mound, so the Dodgers had to scramble to find relief. George Sherrill was brought in to turn switch-hitter Andres Torres around, but the embattled reliever allowed a two-run double and the lead was gone.
This isn't even the first time Bochy has noticed this rule against the Dodgers. Four years ago, when Bruce Bochy was managing the Padres, he noticed the same technicality by Grady Little, which meant Brad Penny had to be removed from the game.
Put another notch in the managerial belt of Mattingly, who turned in an incorrect lineup card during the spring.
The Dodgers let this turn into a pissing contest in the middle of the game, putting the importance of retaliation ahead of the game itself. Both benches were warned in the fifth inning, when Lincecum hit Matt Kemp with a pitch. In the sixth inning, Denny Bautista threw inside to Russell Martin, angering the Dodger bench so much that coach Bob Schaefer was ejected.
Clayton Kershaw was through six innings having thrown 103 pitches, but was allowed to bat in the bottom of the inning. Even stranger, as Kershaw was batting, Hong-Chih Kuo was warming up in the bullpen. Then, to start the seventh inning, in a one-run game mind you, Kershaw hit Aaron Rowand with his first pitch. That pitch earned him and Joe Torre an immediate ejection, and more importantly put a guy with a .284 on-base percentage on base as the tying run.
How fortuitous that the Dodgers had the foresight to have a reliever warmed up and ready to enter the game at that very moment! All Kuo did was retire all six batters he faced, in a very economical 20 pitches. Then, all hell broke loose.
I'm sure the decision to have Kershaw plunk Rowand will be seen as a team morale booster, and I'm sure that is partially true. After all, every time I watch that documentary on the 1984 Padres all I hear about is how well the team came together after a long, drawn-out brawl with the Braves. I am not denying the impact of such a move on team unity, or even confidence. I just think winning the game itself matters more, and that there is no better morale boost than a win. Now, the Dodgers don't even have that.
The one saving grace tonight was that Jonathan Broxton got a hold. Long live stats!
Chad Billingsley faces Barry Zito tomorrow night, trying to avoid another sweep.
WP - Santiago Casilla (3-2): 2 IP, 1 hit, 1 walk, 1 strikeout
LP - Jonathan Broxton (3-2): 1/3 IP, 1 hit, 3 runs, 2 walks
Sv - Jeremy Affeldt (3): 1 IP, 1 hit, 2 strikeouts
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Hopefully we have an owner who can afford to dedicate money to the draft
We’re gonna get worse and worse if McCourt is still the owner
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 20, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully they will draft someone they plan on signing
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we killed SBNation for a few moments. Anyway...
I am as angry and depressed as anyone but those of you who use this clumsy losing streak as evidence that it is time to give up and sell off make me just as depressed. It;s like there’s no sense of perspective on recent DOdger history. This is the team that couldn’t win a game, couldn’t buy a win at the end of last season to clinch a playoff spot but finally managed to. This is the team that lost like 11 games in a row, what, a couple of years ago, before then winning a bunch of games in a row and making the playoffs. They are rollercoastery. And frankly so are a lot of other teams but we live and die with our own and stay in that world.
It’s maddening to lose games like we have, too, but to just give up the ghost now is maddening too. They have problems. They need to fix some of them. They have also had some bad luck and some bad play. I ain’t giving up. Sad that some of you are.
But I understand it after these last few games.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Manny going on the DL, bullpen looking like Arizona’s, minor league prospects not performing up to par… Hate to think about this way, but it’s reality. I really want that 17/18 streak.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The pen is definitely a concern
as is Manny, and mgmt needs to do something at least about the former. But they have too much talent still and the race is still too wide open to give up the ghost. But certainly they have to fix some real issues instead of pretending they aren’t a problem.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
The one difference is that we have 3 teams in front of us just in our division. The wild card is still only a few games ahead of us, but again, there are a bunch of teams to battle. They really cant afford to lose much more ground before they get hot.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 20, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It depends on what your goals are
if its to win the division, sure this team could get hot and do it because the NL West doesn’t have a great team in it.
If the goal is to win the world series, this team can’t do it. Its simply not good enough, I don’t care how lucky they get.
by silverlakebruin on Jul 21, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
If you can make the playoffs, you can win the World Series. Look at St Louis a few years back.
by CarolinaDodger on Jul 21, 2010 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions
For the people defending Bochy
Let me ask you this question: Would you really want to win by Joe Torre noticing the same stupid technicality and having Brian Wilson taken out? It just seems unsportsmanlike.
The stupid rules are the stupid rules
And if vice manager Mattingly doesn’t know them well enough to get tripped up by them, better to know that now than after we’ve signed him to a three-year deal.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Jul 20, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sure
Not the spirit of the rule, but technically it’s a rule, and you gotta know them
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
It was BS frankly, and yeah unsportsmanlike, but Mattingly needs to be smarter about
the rules and pay attention at times like that.
That said I kinda feel like those who just assume Mattingly will be a terrible manager based on the goof up may need to give him another chance? Seems like other good managers made their share of mistakes when starting out. (Though I’m still in the Wallach camp.)
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Absolutely
it was up to the umpire to say BS to Bochy because that was not the intent of the rule. I’d call them bureacrats if I knew how to spell bueracrats.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The trick
is two yous. Bureaucrat.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care about Bochy, he's an idiot
The umps should have used common sense and told Bochy to go fuck himself.
The rule above says the visit starts when the manager crosses the foul line, he never crossed the foul line twice, so they could have ruled however they felt, plus, that was not the intent of the rule, the umps are fucking morons for not telling Bochy he is a fucking dickhead idiot, shutup and sit the fuck down.
Yes, I would
rules are rules. Can’t say I agree with this particular rule as baselines would seem to be a more appropriate boundary.
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Jul 20, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I’m a little surprised none of you are going with the “how you play the game” argument. But whatever, rules are rules in the end. Just not how I would have handled it.
mainly because this is not little league but professional sports where sportsmanship is mostly
a pie in the sky idea that has never been part of the major league tradition dating way back when you did everything you could to win because the world series share was more then you made.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Bochy had every right to question the rule, and the umpires have the right to say, no that was not a second visit. That is the beauty of the baseball rules and interpretation…the umps can say no
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 21, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you going to throw back the balk-off win?
Same thing.
Just a reminder, fans, comin' up is our "Die-hard Night" here at the stadium. Free admission to anyone who was actually alive the last time the Dodgers won a pennant.
No way. I will go to my grave saying that was the easiest balk I have ever seen. His left leg moved and that is that.
@soyboquense
What he said.
A balk will have more of a negative impact toward the Dodgers than Don Mattingly going to mound two times will. Also, it matters that it was Bochy who raised the issue in the first place.
Hi. I'm from McC, but swear I'm not here to troll or be an ass
That said, I get your argument, but kinda feel that in a game where both sides are (probably) intentionally throwing at each other, how “sportsmanlike” something is probably wasn’t on anyone’s mind.
If the situation were reversed, I honestly would have been pissed at the situation, but wouldn’t have blamed the Dodgers for calling it out. I probably would have said “That’s an example of why Torre is a better manager than Bochy.”
Over at McC, Bochy isn’t well-regarded. People there are having a tough time giving him credit.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Yeah, not really a good look on him. Or anyone, for that matter.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jul 20, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Very interesting recap
in not mentioning how Broxton pretty much pitchied himself into the bases loaded mess even though the only thing he did wrong was walk a batter. Broxton seems to be one of most unlucky pitchers I’ve ever watched. Of greater concern has to be Broxton’s drop in velocity and command. Wish Broxton had not made the all-star team and had not pitched.
I’m picking up Kuo in my roto leagues.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
he really is unlucky
As I said in previous post I wonder if he had a curse put on him (like Drag me to Hell). Those little infield bleeders and bloops are killing him. And yeah I’m worried about him being overwrked and tired now on top of it all.
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I wonder if he had a curse put on him (like Drag me to Hell).
Yup, we’ve reached this point. UGH!
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t avoid the Broxton outing on purpose. I was focusing on the ump-related scenarios
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I know
but lots of stuff, but I’m actually worried about the physical condition of Broxton.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
He averaged 92.3 on his 10 fastballs, per Gameday
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I just assumed he normally hits 94/95 at least
was I to optimistic and overplaying the lack of velocity?
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by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
His first pitch was 94, second pitch was 93, third pitch was 95.
Then it was 91/92
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I noticed this as well
I don’t remember Broxton throwing 91mph in his entire career against the Rockies. Unreal.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah those are all 88
:-p
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 20, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I would believe more times than not
Broxton gets out of that inning with a gooseegg and many times more than not a tie game.
Its always the case with Broxton. .394 BABIP this year and .328 for his career. Thats just crazy high, although he does give up his fair share of line drives.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
If Mattingly had not re-entered the mound
but just turned around and answered Loney’s question, would that be considered two visits?
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
he'd been fine
it was stepping back onto the mound that did him in, I really think was a failure by the umpires
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
But isn't that technically the rule?
The umps aren’t supposed to make judgement calls about whether the rule makes sense. They are supposed to execute the rulebook
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 20, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
there ya go!
+1 for Galaxy Quest
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I dunno if this team is broken or not
if they are, I don’t know how to fix it. I just want to feel like there’s a plan.
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
I've heard that if the McCourts don't settle soon, judge might force them to sell
If this is true, this terrible stretch is worth it…
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves
by angelofdeath on Jul 20, 2010 10:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I am considering
sleeping in my truck tonight
Air Conditioner is busted at the house.
It is Sofa King hot
do you have a fan? I used to put up with that in the summer. The trick is to take a cold, cold shower, and only sorta dry off. Then put a fan directly on you. Helped me fall asleep in a 92 degree house many a time.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Sleep in the tub, cold shower on.
Pretend you’re the Dodgers and lost your dignity after this game
I used to take cold showers about once every two hours to keep cool. It fucking sucks, so now I have AC
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
The unit is in the attic
the drip pan has a hole in it so the water is dripping thru the sheetrock
It works perfect, I am afraid the ceiling is going to cave in
I also think
the odds were good given Broxtons’ velocity and command the Giants were going to score on him or Sherrill.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Odds are always good
with Sherrill.
Broxton of late is iffy. But I’d liked to have seen it play out.
Just leaving the game. If the umps are going to inforce the rule about leaving the mound and coming back as two trips then they need to call bunch of runners safe at second base on some of those in the neighborhood call on double plays.
by Dodgermanramon on Jul 20, 2010 10:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I'm still trying to figure out how the second trip to the mound started if he never crossed the foul line
by Cool Dudes on Jul 20, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
1st trip ends once he walks off the mound. 2nd trip starts once he steps back on.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Well according to the "rules"
A trip to the mound starts when a manager crosses the foul line… So technically, the second trip never happened…
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves
by angelofdeath on Jul 20, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now you are making rules up
That’s why it was so stupid, they weren’t just enforcing a rule, they were making up a part that wasn’t in the rulebook.
It stands to reason that if they call a trip over once the coach leaves the dirt of the mound, that any action toward the mound after that is a separate trip.
Stupid, yes. But technically correct.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
Reason means there is meaning behind it, there was no meaning to it, so it is open to interpretation.
I dunno
it seems like there’s some wiggle room there to let the umps interpret the rule a different way, which they failed. If it was me, I would’ve played it out under protest…just the type of guy I am.
Then, I would’ve sent Jack Bauer after those umps after the game…
by Capt Obvious on Jul 20, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
This also applies to catchers blocking the plate well before in the act of receiving the ball.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Do we seriously have to kidnap Ned with masks on and threaten him to bring up Jansen? I can’t express how BADLY we need bull pen help. NED, USE HIM!
No no no
Fire Torre and Mattingly first, then call him up…
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves
by angelofdeath on Jul 20, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm now kind of worried if we do bring up Jansen we'd kill him. They have used him to much
this summer in my opinion.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Troncoso pitched tonight
2 innings, 2 earned runs, 2 walks, one K
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Did anyone get recalled
for the Manny DL stint yet?
If no, and this may be dumb, but can Link be called up for an injured postition player?
The replace an injured guy move can only happen simultaneously, so Link can’t be, well, Linked to Manny
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
No
it has to be simultaneous.
Manny was placed on the DL before the game, with Ausmus activated.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
But, in theory, if they chose to have Link up, they could have linked him to Manny, yes.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That is what I was wondering
I get the Ausmus/Manny deal
I was wondering for the future. Thanks dude
I’m now on the boat that Ned wants to trade him. I mean, if the reports are true that the Dodgers have been busy looking for arms, then I can understand why Jansen hasn’t been called up. He would lose value if he was quickly exposed in the majors. But losing 6 in a row with your pitchers needing much needed rest has to ring the red alert alarm to make a god damn move already…
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, the Dodgers are making me lose a 10 dollar bet to my dad…thanks assholes.
My dad is a huge Dodger fan, he just can’t see them winning much more this season. He bet me they wouldn’t win a series for 2 weeks from 2 days ago. I’m worried I will soon be out 10 dollars, lol.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
On the bright side
Kuo was awesome
Paul got some hits, but I’m way more pissed off with the dropped fly ball. So even a bright side comment ends up on the dark side.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Stupid Loss
Unfortunately Dodgers are digging a whole with multiple streaks of bad play, injuries, and lack of depth.
The only chance now is everyone get healthy and stay healthy the rest of the season.
I consider Manny out for the season. They’re going to have to do it without him eventually. Might as well start now.
If he comes back it’s a bonus.
Is Bubba from Forest Gump
the same guy who plays the best friend in Con Air?
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Thanks for doing the dirty work
I figured it was him, but was much too lazy to visit a website and actually find out ;)
Where would I read his review of that? Is it on IMDB? I hope it’s nothing but good, because this is SUCH a brilliant piece of cinematography :P
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I've quoted Scott Pilgrim tonight, now X-Men
Nothing has changed. A lot’s happened, buncha students gone, but that doesn’t change what matters. What matters is the fight…
-I’m sorry, sir, but the last time we were in this room hell opened up beneath us. Literally. Sir.
Yeah, wow, that’s really terrible. But you want advanced Self-Pity I think that’s Professor Summers down the hall. This is combat.
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
Broxton may be overworked which would explain his command/velocity issues.
Sherrill simply isn’t a MLB pitcher anymore. Just cut him.
that should have been done almost two months ago. i blame Ned for making his appearances even an option.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Manny officially on DL according to Tony Jax.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=5396518
Also, according to the game preview here 6 hours ago :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitchfork and Torch time!
I feel like putting my fist thru a wall. But I rent, so I didn’t. To be honest I don’t think Broxton would have held on anyways. It hurts to say that but I am just basing it on what I see. He was just blowing away guys before but now I don’t know.
by super eville on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Vis a vis my Broxton having gypsy curse put on him
I just found this photographic evidence!
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by underdog on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, it was cathartic to use photoshop for these purposes.
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Bochy, again!
How many times is Bochy going to get a Dodger pitcher bumped from a game on the two visit rule? Is there some weirdly specific record he’s shooting for?
by Andrew Shimmin on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 PM PDT reply actions
Per Jon Weisman
Further explaining what happened, a Twitter user pointed out that pinch-hitter Garret Anderson was the on-deck hitter when Martin was knocked down. After Schaefer was ejected, Anderson sat down, and Kershaw remained in the game to do his dirty work.
Wow. That is just really fucking stupid.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
Thats what i thought what happened at the time, and it makes me lose even more respect for Torre. Do it tomorrow in the first inning or whatever. That was imbecilic, juvenile, pathetic, and just plain stupid. Flat out, the man is an awful in game manager and lets his emotions get the best of him.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 20, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
This bizarre strategy to actually throw at Rowand in a one run game
might be the strangest thing of a strange game.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
What happens if Rowand then charges the mound and Kershaw ends up hurting himself? Obviously that didnt happen, but there is so much stupidity in that one decision that it makes me completely question Torre’s sanity.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Anything can happen in a pile up and if Martin tackes him a pile up is exactly what
would have happened
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, to much could have gone wrong with this.
This is what I’d wasted Sherrill on, but then he probably would have missed Rowand
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Having GA batting or leaving in Kershaw to hit the batter?
by Dr. Geek on Jul 20, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Both
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves
by angelofdeath on Jul 20, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Sherrill, German would not have mattered they still score
several runs. His choices were limited.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
That wouldn’t had happen had he knew he left the mound in the first place. Apparently he knew the rule, but didn’t know where he was.
Idiot.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Im more bothered that he chose Sherrill to pitch. the mound thing was stupid, but bringing your worst pitcher into that spot is pretty unacceptable. Hell, let Loney pitch if you really want a lefty out there.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree that Mattingly
fucked up, but what do you do when someone says your name from a distance?
You walk towards them. I get that he should know the rule, but he was just off the mound and probably wasn’t thinking about the 2nd trip rule.
You ignore them because it’s your job to know the rules…
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That is a little naive
to think that Mattingly is just going to walk away throwing his hands up saying “I know the rules, I can’t stop and come back”
holding his hands over his ears, saying “la la la la”
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You say
“Goddamit James, ask me those fucking questions when I’m on the mound. Call me”
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
only when saying “Call me” he holds his hand to his ear, with thumb and pinkie protruding.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It impacted the game. Sorry for being upset on such a lousy rule.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm upset too
The only person in the place who was ready to make that call was Bochy.
That’s what blows about it
Five Worst Losses of the Year?
April 10th vs. Florida
June 23rd vs. Anaheim
June 27th vs. New York
July 18th vs. St. Louis
July 20th vs. San Francisco
Coming kind of fast and furious, when you put it up like that.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jul 20, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you wrote plenty
Compare to what Russ wrote at PR on a big Rockies win
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 20, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe the trade parameters have changed! :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Glad you were clued in on all of that
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
That was really funny. An enjoyable thread.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Night Eric
And I can only imagine how satisfied MCC is right now…ugh.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
You were the guy asking about sportmanship and you went trolling?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 20, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I Went And Looked of Coarse, It Was Actually the Saving Grace of the Night
They are so excited, they are acting like they just won the World Series
. . . on this game? It made me smile. Sometimes its better to be good than lucky.
thats all they pretty much live for
beating LA.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
meanwhile
sun rises in east, sets in west
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 20, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet he referred to himself in the third person
“I gotta do what makes Erik Bedard happy… So I will be taking my talents to the DL…
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves
by angelofdeath on Jul 20, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This game went from enjoyable to pissing me off really fast.
That is all I have for now. In the a.m….
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2010 11:44 PM PDT reply actions
F*CKING HELL!
WHAT THE HELL the dodgers are REALLY pissing me off! KEEP BROXTON OFF THE MOUND UNTIL HE CLEARS HIS FREAKING MIND AND WHY THE F*CK IS SHERRILL STILL PLAYING!? GFSIhgtriowt*(hi F*CK YOU MCCOURT, SELL THE FREAKING TEAM SO WE CAN WIN! (OGJtrgfRUGSJGRJ)ISODF!H@(U#Q
Dude one word: therapist
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves
by angelofdeath on Jul 21, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks to Saturday Night Live I read this as:
the rapist
Oh Sean Connery and your anal bum covers…Man I need to watch some celebrity jeopardy, haha.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
My ex was so incensed by the game
he called me. Twice. At different points.
I had things to do — like get needles stuck in me so I could have permanent art on me — but good God from what I heard, it sounded bad.
Why was Lincecum going after Kemp? That’s a grown ass man. It all just seems ridiculous to me. ESPECIALLY the part about Kershaw’s retaliation. I get that it’s fun to hit the person pissing you off but it’s even better when you beat the shit out of them by playing the game!
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
My trainer and I have agreed
that watching the Dodgers’ recent performance has been like watching a train wreck in slow motion while on fire, in a tar pit, with flame retardant bees. Just painful.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Personally, I think it is like getting cancer, going to the hospital and having it catch on fire forcing leperous midgets to apply bandages to your third degree burns while Andruw Jones pours vinegar on your eyes which are being simultaneously stung by a swarm of bees and Brian Wilson does a gay tapdance in the corner of the room with crossed arms.
Yeah, that will about do it.
"Go fuck yourself" -Eric Stephen 6-29-2010
"Oh honey, I'm chalk full of juju" -Maddz 7-15-2010
My mom wants to be friends on Facebook…I hoped this day would never come. Lol
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I haven't been on there in a week and a half
But I saw in my email that she added me…It just feels like a trap, haha.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
If drastic steps need to be taken...
…which I still think its to soon to panic, I say we go to a four man rotation. Move Bills to the pen (he should be able to go 2 IP every other day).
Also, I think Mattingly should have not have pulled Broxton out of the game but instead moved him to first base and let Loney get a shot to get an out. Not sure if that is against the rules, but if it is move Broxton to first, send Loney to left field and let the bullpen try to get an out then put Broxton back on the mound.
well
I’ve been to two infuriating games in two nights, and all I have to show for it is a bobblehead..I really wish the bobblehead was James stroking a gapper with his sweet swing, not receiving a routine ground out from Blake DeWitt
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Just caught the highlghts this morning...
…and yes, since one or two of you have asked, my grandmother if still living would be throwing breakfast around the kitchen this morning like a Giant pitcher, muttering to herself distractedly about “damned Yankee managers.” Personally I’m going to take a long walk and think good thoughts about Tim Wallach.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 21, 2010 5:40 AM PDT reply actions
Wow, yesterday kinda sucked huh?
1. Manny goes on the DL for what looks to be three weeks.
2. Management inexplicably decides to activate Ausmus instead of call up an OFer (luckily this didn’t hurt us)
3. The Phillies rumored to be in hot pursuit of Roy Oswalt
4. The Dodgers rumored to be in hot pursuit of . . . Paul Maholm
5. We get to Lincecum for 5 but can’t win
6. Stupid pissing contest
7. Mattingly brain fart
8. George Sherrill
I was pretty angry last night, but now I am resigned to our fate as a middling team. Maybe we will get hot, I’ll surely be following, but things are certainly stacked against us right now.
As I said on DT, if I could think that this game saved us from having Donnie Ballgame as manager, it would be worth it. The last thing the 2011 team needs is a manager whose only experience has been watching Joe Torre. Maybe Broxton still loses last night, but it wouldn’t have been because of an experienced Tim Wallach. As for the pissing contest, I also blame Torre. That was more than “eye for an eye,” that was Torre thinking about Plaschke hammering Bills and wanting to “protect” the Kid. And now we probably lose him. I need to go take that walk.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 21, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I think they can protest this game.
If you read 8.06 again, I think Broxton should have been allowed to face Torres THEN be forced out by the umpire. I thought I read it that way last night but assumed I was wrong until i read arguments this morning confirming that.
@soyboquense
In a case where a manager has made his first trip to the mound and then returns the second time to the mound in the same inning with the same pitcher in the game and the same batter at bat, after being warned by the umpire that he cannot return to the mound, the manager shall be removed from the game and the pitcher required to pitch to the batter until he is retired or gets on base. After the batter is retired, or becomes a base runner, then this pitcher must be removed from the game. The manager should be notified that his pitcher will be removed from the game after he pitches to one hitter, so he can have a substitute pitcher warmed up.
The substitute pitcher will be allowed eight preparatory pitches or more if in the umpire’s judgment circumstances justify.
@soyboquense
They could have protested, but they would have had to file it during the game, before the Torres AB
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt if to many managers think it is their job to know every rule in the book
just as every GM is not expected to know every thing about waiver rules. That is what subordinates are for, there job is to manage.
For example last night Vin kept going on about Timmy getting an extra pitch on that slip against Blake. I was listening on radio at the time, but if my memory is correct, if no runners on base and the pitcher drops the ball, there is no pitch or balk unless the ball crosses a foul line. The umpires were correct on that obscure rule
@soyboquense
Yep, and Vin apologized later citing that it had to cross the foul line to be considered a pitch.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 21, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh man
Vin was going hard last night from what I heard on the radio. “If you had been away, and someone told you that this pitcher had won back-to-back Cy Young awards, you would have gone, ‘Nope, not this young man. Must be some other guy with long hair.’” I could not stop laughing.
And he was INCENSED about that pitch. He was like, yeah, as soon as Torres at bat is over, we’ll take a look at it…ok…OK HERE WE GO.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I guess that is what a bench coach is for
if only Delias Man had been able to tweet Donny Boy with the info.
I don’t really care about the Kershaw thing as it didn’t end up hurting the Dodgers. The run didn’t come around and Rowand didn’t charge.
I know we fancy ourselves the intellectual class who make all the right decisions about how to win baseball games, but I’m fine letting these things go. Torre has never been a head hunter and got criticized for not having his pitchers retaliate in New York. If Torre felt it was the right thing to do, I’ll back his play.
wish we had been that lucky
in the 8th and 9th rather than 7th and 8th
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Looking back, the killer was Torre being tossed because he is unlikely to make that mistake in the 9th. I am sure Jon could have got out of that situation last night, or at worst gave up just one.
@soyboquense
agreed
but Sherrill should never have been brought in. Turn Torres around, but then you have to remember that Sherrill can’t get righties out.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Should’ve went to Weaver in that situation, he has shown the ability to get out of bases loaded jams.
I think German
could have got out of it too. Even then, I’d have had more faith in him than Sherrill.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think any of them get out of it.
They get all of 8 pitches to warm up. I’ve blasted Sherrill plenty this year, but I don’t blame him for last night.
by Michael White on Jul 21, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Another bizarre point
Per Rule 8.06, the new pitcher is allowed eight pitches or more to warm up if the umpires allow it. Crew chief McClelland told Mattingly Sherrill could have as many pitches as he wanted, but forgot to tell home plate ump Adrian Johnson, who stopped Sherrill after eight.
This was a lack of communication…
1) McClelland didn’t tell Johnson
2) Mattingly didn’t tell Sherrill
3) Sherrill thus didn’t know he should have had more pitches when Johnson stopped him, believing it to be a normal appearance
4) Mattingly figured Sherrill was good after his eight warmup ptiches
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Dodger Talk, and also Jimmy Bramlett of LAist:
Mattingly and pitching coach Rick Honeycutt decided to bring in Sherrill. First base umpire and crew chief Tim McClelland told Mattingly that Sherrill would get an unlimited amount of pitches to warm up with despite rules limiting him to eight.
"I asked Tim [McClelland], ‘Can [Sherrill] warm up,’" Mattingly said. "He says, ‘Yeah, I won’t do that to him. I’m not going to take a chance on a guy getting hurt.’"
Home plate umpire Johnson gave Sherrill only eight creating confusion.
"Supposedly they told [Mattingly] that I had as many as wanted," Sherrill said. "But nobody let me know that, and the [home plate] umpire sure as hell wasn’t giving them to me."
"I was talking to [Honeycutt] not really realizing how many throws he was getting," Mattingly said.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Don really needs to get his head in the game
you can’t argue for getting pitches and then not pay attention to make sure he gets them. JFC
Yeah that is really bad on his part.
He created the error, you would think he would be hell bent on fixing his error even a little.
Don messed up here, but the Umps last night just showed a lack of professionalism. That is pretty piss poor.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 21, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I think McClelland said after the game.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
And unfortunately Schlichting didn't look good last night either.
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Torre doesn’t want to use Weaver in back-to-back games, which brings us to a bullpen in which…
Our closer is struggling a bit now, at the very least with reduced velocity
Our #2 reliever (Kuo) can’t be used back-to-back
Our #3 reliever (Weaver) can’t be used back-to-back
That’s a problem.
Also a problem: Weaver is out #3 reliever.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed, it comes down to roster management, as it so often does. If we are serious about contending then we shouldn’t have Sherrill or Monk on the roster. Those are two spots that could go to someone like Jansen or Link. Additionally, Miller shouldn’t be on the roster if the coaches totally forget that he is there.
Torre’s choice; doesn’t feel he’s as effective
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
But it is self induced mostly. It could easily be remedied by dumping Sherrill and Monk and adding two of Jansen, Link, or Troncoso.
Agreed as well
Not that those three are necessarily saviors (Jansen has the upside and stuff to be), but they are better than what we have.
I would be OK with keeping Monk in the mop-up role, but it would depend on the rest of the pen I suppose.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Yah Monk seems to be fine as a long reliever
no long reliever is going to be great anyway but he seems good in that role. I’ve already yelled about bringing up Jansen and giving him a try, so much that I’ve lost my voice. Troncoso had been awful at times but we know he CAN be good so might be time to try him again. They don’t have many great lefty options unfortunately to bring up which is why I haven’t been adverse to a trade in that department… But clearly they have some other options and then need to acknowledge that they have to use them and do something. Stat!
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Exactly
Joe puts his hearing aid on low so when James yelled at him, he would not have heard and simply continued to walk back to the dugout. Then when Broxton walked Torres or gave up a triple, the wrath could have been directed at Joe for using Broxton as though it is his fault that Broxton can’t put away three hitters in a row and is making 30 plus pitches per appearance.
Broxton last three appearances:
July 9th
Ground Out
K
Triple
Single
K
July 18th
Fly Ball Out
Single
Walk
Ground Out – ends 8th
Single
Sacrifice Bunt
Fly Ball Out
Walk
Single
Single – Game Over
July 20th
Infield Single
Sacrifice Bunt
Walk
Intentional Walk
Removed from game
In his last three games Broxton has:
Face 19 Hitters
11 of them have reached base
Two of the eight outs he has recorded have been sacrifice bunts
Only two K’s and they were back on July 9th
Three Walks, One Intentional
Seven Hits
The last time he was this bad was when he had his two issues last summer. Something ain’t right and I don’t know why when he does not have his strikeout pitch going you think he would have worked himself out of a bases loaded jam.
As was noted after just four pitches he was down in the 91 MPH range. A range none of us can remember him being in.
Broxton’s hurt, no doubt about it. His velocities been in the low 90s since the loss to the Yankees. He’s just gonna try to cowboy his way to three or four more blown saves before he admits it though.
And hey, we may have lost in embarrassing fashion, but at least Joe Torre’s man card is firmly in place.
by regfairfield on Jul 21, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not
I think he’s just having a bad stretch
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Billingsley did
when he was trying to aim the ball rather than just rear back and fire. I think Broxton is trying to control his fastball more, and is as such not throwing it as hard. That’s just my opinion on the matter.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay, I’d take Broxton is dumb as a valid reason too.
by regfairfield on Jul 21, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
He's pitched three times
since July 9th, two for the Dodgers and the all-star game. Can’t really be a case of a tired arm, so you tell us why the drop in velocity? Or the inability to throw the slider for a strike? He’s been known to pitch hurt before and only admit it after a period of ineffectiveness. So either his arm is crapped out for the moment and it might be temporary, or he’s pitching hurt and it may not be his arm but some part of his big body.
It can easily be something mechanical that would not surprise me if Honeycutt can not see it or figure it out. Gameday says he was throwing 98 in last AB against Holliday Sunday. I am thinking tired arm at this time.
@soyboquense
Agreed
He probably should have been given last night off
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed but again this exposes that they have zero depth in the pen.
Kuo went 2 effective innings but a third would’ve been pushing it. Other options: A shitty Sherrill, Weaver who had pitched the night before; Schilchting who isn’t really that good. Am I missing anyone?
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Oh yeah...
guess he could’ve been a better option. Or his old team would’ve ripped him. Not a great other option but maybe they should’ve still used him instead.
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didn't say he was better
but he was there.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup. That sums up our pen pretty much. :-)
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lol
yay, i set up a joke, and you closed it. does that make me Kuo? should I do a Leg Kick?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Could have just had a bad outing that day
but other days could have been tired arm. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.
I am not really an “excuse” type of guy. At that point Sunday he just needs to execute. I am very concerned as to where the slider has gone. And it seems to be the reason he is not putting batters away at the moment.
@soyboquense
Because it hurts to throw it is my guess
but I’d have to go back to his other games to what % of sliders he was throwing compared to July 9th,18,20th.
Pitch counts are as important as # of appearances ya know?
Torre has overused him at times when he’s used him, appearances aside. He looks dead arm to me. At least I hope it’s that and not a masked injury.
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I don’t think he’s hurt. I think he may be going through a dead arm period like he did last year and eventually worked through it.
by Michael White on Jul 21, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember last year
even after the toe healed he had a stretch after the all-star break where he lost effectiveness. I especially remember because there were calls for Sherrill to replace him as closer. I think he’ll come out of it, but I wish we could have some 10-1 wins to give him some rest.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
But he was actually using his slider well last night, and no one was hitting him. I blame the stupid infield hit….ahhhhhh!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 21, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I watched old Cheers episodes last night
until I no longer felt like punching one of my poor cats. (Who are smart enough to avoid me after such a game.)
Or sacrificing. (See: Gypsy curse.)
Any new relievers on their way today since I went to bed? :-/
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I would bet an outfielder is on his way from ABQ today, with Ellis getting optioned.
For the life of me I can’t figure out why it would be the left-handed Gibbons instead of the right-handed Hoffmann, but here we are.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Torre brought Gibbons up in the pregame, but I can’t find the audio.
It was probably a throwaway quote, but he did bring him up
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
So good that he hasn’t been in the majors since 2007
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
thought that was because of the “steroid” thing.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Gibbons hit .230/.272/.348 against everybody in 2007. If you can still hit, nobody cares about the stigma.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Jay Gibbons, age 32 for the Newark Bears: .233/.286/.387
Rickey Henderson, age 45 for the Newark Bears:.281/.462/.436
by regfairfield on Jul 21, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
but that’s Rickey baby, Rickey. Rickey can do it all baby
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
If we want to sign him Ned can look him up in the Rolodex under L.
For Left Fielder of All Time, Greatest
by regfairfield on Jul 21, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Gibbons
MLB career vs LHB: .263/.299/.421
2006, 08, 10 in minors: .407/.441/.686 vs LHB in 92 PA (but .429 BABIP)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
all that
and a Veterany candy shell? He’s already on plane my friends.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Hoffmann is better defensively but can he hit at all? Neither is really a great choice
when you think about it. Which I won’t. :-)
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Hoffman: can’t hit.
Gibbons: can neither hit nor field
It’s should damn well be Hoffmann.
by regfairfield on Jul 21, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
well
both are raking in AAA, if that means anything. Gibbons can play some first, but Hoffmann can play the corners(can he play CF?).
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
From Buster Olney
so take with a grain of salt (via MLBTR)
The Dodgers expect they’ll be able to add a starter and reliever in the next ten days, giving up better prospects while the other team pays the player’s salary. Not the best long-term strategy. The Dodgers have been linked to Paul Maholm, Roy Oswalt, Ted Lilly, Jake Westbrook, Fausto Carmona, David Aardsma, and the Blue Jays’ relievers.
Is this for sure what they’re doing, or he knows this based on what they did once before and based on McCourt financial situation? I am not disagreeing that this could very well happen but he seems to think it’s for sure without knowing anything for sure.
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while he's probably right
Olney seems to take things that are assumed and report them as news.
“This just in: Dodgers might not have money to make moves at deadline.”
Once, yeah, I can understand. I think he’s reported that about 12 times now.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
If this happens
I’ll be very interested to hear BH’s defense that the only way they would do the deal is if they included Withrow and that is the only reason they are paying the salary.
I would say now, that if its for any of the “elite” pitchers, Withrow was going to get included anyway.
by Michael White on Jul 21, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Can we safely say
that if the other team ends up paying salary, that we overpaid for that benefit or is that to much of a reach?
Not necessarily. Both you and I are completely bearish on our minor leaguers now. If somebody takes Dee Gordon in exchange for $12MM (Oswalt’s salary) I would say we made out in that deal.
by Michael White on Jul 21, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Just grab Maholm for a couple of decent prospects and call it a day. Move McDonald, Jansen and Troncoso into the bullpen and dump Sherrill, Schlichting, and Miller. Rotation and bullpen solidified. Problem – Manny is on the DL.
Hooray for futility!!
I think he is mostly off the market.
It would take a lot to get him, but might be worth it if we can move dewitt to third. Which of course, they wouldn’t do, they would keep playing Blake.
I heard
but it could just be a ploy to make him more expensive. Of course it’s win-win for the Marlins. Either they trade him for good stuff, or they keep a big bat.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
If kemp starts hitting at all
I really have to disagree. Its not a powerhouse, and even if its only average, our pitching would be good enough I feel in the scenario you described that we could still make some noise.
If X. Paul does what he did last night, we are good to go. Big If.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 21, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
hitting yes
fielding no. Though to be fair, EVERYONE thought that one was going out
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Home park
takes fly balls before every game
Should know how his home park works. No excuse he Luzinski’d it.
At least he didn't Canseco it
Just a reminder, fans, comin' up is our "Die-hard Night" here at the stadium. Free admission to anyone who was actually alive the last time the Dodgers won a pennant.
I said fair, not absolve
I agree, he should have caught it, especially when he got there in position.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Jon posted this quote from Torre on DT:
“They didn’t look upon (the brushback of Martin) as on purpose. It’s a very gray area that seems to have some flaws in it, and I don’t know how you fix it.
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That point is what got Mount Schaefer ejected.
Who knew Schaefer had more of a temper than Bowa? :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
he sure did say “fertilizer” a lot
I love Vin
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
So who are people's "untouchable" Dodger prospects right now?
(Was this a separate fan post? Should it be?)
I have my own list of about 8 to 10 and that’s about it.
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Heh
What is “.”’s velocity these days?
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I’d trade “.” and “.” but “.” he’s gritty and has some sock.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
No one. Problem is they’re getting traded for Paul Maholm.
by regfairfield on Jul 21, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
it’s all a matter of degree. I wouldn’t care if Withrow or Gordon were dealt for Dan Haren or someone like that, but not the middling guys.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Haren says he’d like to stay on the West Coast.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
And I'll add
if we are adding the B prospects simply to offset salary, I’ll be angry, dejected, sad, despair, basically our favorite 50’s boy after a date with the ex.
The bigger problem is that what the Dodgers see as B guys, we tend to see as an “A” type prospect.
I fully expect to see Allan Webster traded because he’s in low-A and was a low round drafted pitcher.
Isn’t the problem that “we” aren’t objective at all when awarding that A grade?
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I get that, and I applaud you for somehow turning this into yet another Santana discussion, but we don’t have a Carlos Santana right now.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously – because this morning I would really like to bitch about Joakim Soria not being here if anybody would like to join me.
@soyboquense
by delias man on Jul 21, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We wouldn’t have to call up a RHB outfielder if Cody Ross were still here!
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
we'd already have a title since '88
if we had Pedro and Piazza!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Fucking Roberto Clemente. He would still be alive today if the Dodgers kept him!
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
That is true
but we would have traded him. The early 60 Dodgers were not big on Latin players. That is why Marichal hit Johnny over the head.
Clemente would have picked up a rock in RF and fired a seed to the plate, knocking Marichal down and stopping him dead in his tracks before he was able to get to Roseboro.
Also, he would have shown Koufax a way to condition his arm and he would have pitched through 1975, guiding the Dodgers to four more titles, not to mention the impetus for the five straight titles from 1977-1981
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I was puzzled when he had all his options exhausted and was then traded
dumb, dumb move.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Terry Collins.
Can you really say he failed? Under his reign, the Dodgers produced DeWitt, Santana, Bell, and Kershaw.
DeJon came about later.
Terry was not in charge of the draft
but like DeJon Watson decides who makes up the minor league rosters. It is his job to know of a player is having a problem and find a resolution.
He had zero to do with any of the names you mentioned. His job is to promote them when he deems them fit. What are you giving him credit for, knowing when to promote someone?
I’ll turn this into a Josh Bell discussion as well. Not exactly apt since he wasn’t traded for salary relief, but was traded for a player that wasn’t worth of a A-type prospect no matter how well he pitched.
I agree that the Sherrill trade was an overpay, but just for reference John Sickels rated Bell as a B in December. Another non A.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that the reason Bell was seen so highly
is because he is a 3B prospect and we have Blake at 3rd. Since DeSoultion went to 2nd, Bell was the future.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
No question
It was a bad move to trade him, for Sherrill. I was just referring to Tripon’s contention about us having “A” prospects.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I did think Santana was an A guy
I don’t see one A guy in our current system. Santana was and is still unique, a player who walks more then he K’s while having above average power.
I don't see how
someone like Webster can be an A. He’s still in a pitching friendly league and not exactly balling.
can the verb "balling"
really be applied to baseball? Seems more a Basketball term.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
or a porn term.
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hahahahahahah
this
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Yeh that's kind of how I feel too. I would give up almost anyone for Haren or Oswalt
but to throw them in for a lesser pitcher or player is more upsetting.
(And I would be perfectly happy if they DID acquire Maholm, but again, for top prospects? No thanks)
Anyway, was just curious if there were any prospects no one would give up for almost anyone. And I can’t think of too many right now.
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I love the idea of Haren or Oswalt, but getting one of those guys is essentially going all in for this season, because I am guessing that two of Sands, Gordon, Withrow will be involved along with other prospects. Going all in when Manny isn’t likely to get 100 ABs the rest of the way seems like a bad idea.
Isn't Haren under contract for next season, too, though? Would help for next season as well.
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Whoa, buy next season I meant, seasons. :-)
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I just don't think the DBacks will trade him to a rival, you know?
and if they did… I do have that fear of watching prospects blossom for a rival.
Still, I’d like him.
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It is going all in when you figure that Manny will be gone next season and Kemp, Ethier, Loney, et al continue to get more expensive. We are going to need Sands and Withrow and Gordon to offset that in the next couple of seasons. Sure our pitching might be OK, but we are going to have a below average offense with no LF and an aging 3B.
It is not going all in
When they will be under contract for a couple more seasons after. These guys are more guarenteed to impact this team over the next two years then any of those 3 combined.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t like to have them, obviously I would. But emptying our cabinets for one of them would be done with the distant hope that we can go far this year. In 2011 and 2012, our core is really going to be expensive and we are going to need Sands for LF or 1B or Withrow for the 5th spot, unfortunately they won’t be around.
Our core is going nowhere till 2013
So I don’t get your point. We can sign another Padilla next year to be our 5th starter.
Everyone from the core, except Broxton, is here through 2012.
What nolander said.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I
as in me, Tommy Blackjack, no one else, would like to see Sands be untouchable. I wanna see that power in person and cheer when the ball leaves the yard. That’s just me.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too
but I really, really want Haren. A lot.
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you just like his flowing locks
ADMIT IT!!!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh
It’s not all about looks with me. I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but chicks dig the long ball. And ace pitchers. Et cetera.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
well
curse my lack of a curveball, or a slider, change-up, any kind of fastball, a good swing…….
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I want to see Sands untouchable, I crave much power, which is why I am attempting to take over the world some day…
But back to Sands, the way he’s playing he could be in the majors some time next season…DO NOT TRADE HIM.
We probably share this opinion because you are MY clone (not the other way around like previously indicated).
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
that’s it, get your sword pally, we duel
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
No, it can’t be!
Alright fine, we might as well rule the galaxy together.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
fine
just keep your stuff off my side.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
we wouldn't have too
if you knew about “boundries”.
BTW, if there’s a tie on the doorknob, go see a movie.
;-)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I know about boundaries, just stay out of my Tattooine…unlike last time >:(
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
(dies)
(appears later alive with fake beard and glasses)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd trade em
if we could get Maholm and Zach Duke :)
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Sands
Withrow or Webster or Martin (gotta keep one of em)
Everyone can go.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I'd almost rather hold on to
Miller than Martin, but that’s just my take and overall agree with you.
I also am a Dee Gordon doubter but it seems he’s so highly ranked he could fetch a blue chip trade return, i.e., this could be the highest his value ever gets. But I’d hate to see him wasted on a lesser trade package. Keep him otherwise.
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I see Miller as a lower ceiling guy, but closer to the majors than even Withrow.
by Michael White on Jul 21, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
As long as we have our power bat, I wouldn’t mind parting with the rest.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 21, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Tripon subscribes to the Silverwidow school of random rumors/comments with no links at all
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
It's the Rays.
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This just in
it’s extremely difficult to apply lotion to your shoulder.
I think that the discussion regarding what prospects we want to give up now vis a vis where we’d like to be in the next few years is highly pertinent right now. The “future” versus “win one now”, if you will.
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It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again!
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Sorry, was channeling Silence of the Lambs for a second. Carry on.
I blame Garrett Anderson.
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Oh no
that joke was already made this morning, you are in good company. :)
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PUT THE FUCKING LOTION IN THE BASKET!!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven't fully decided where I fall on this issue
if we can swing Haren or Oswalt, I think we should go for it. But we shouldn’t be giving away the farm on someone who isn’t top-tier.
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I agree on not giving up the farm
but if we can’t pry Haren away, I would be happy to go out and get Maholm for a not rediculous price, we are going to need help in the rotation next year too.
Right
that’s why I said “giving away the farm”. A few prospects wouldn’t be terrible but I really don’t want to overpay. In that respect I’m echoing a lot of people here.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Why do we all want to go get a 4th or 5th starter in Maholm?
It’s like aiming for slightly below the middle.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Because he'd be cheaper, he'd be better than our other 5th options
and because otherwise starting pitching is NOT the problem right now. But it would give Dodgers option of having McDonald in the pen along with someone like Jansen…
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because our 5th starters this season have a near 6.00 ERA, and next year our rotation is Kershaw, Billingsley, and …
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to agree with Ivdown on this
how much worse can McDonald be then Maholm. I’m not high on McDonald but he can be Maholm.
by meercatjohn on Jul 21, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
This year sure
Even if he is next year also that still leaves two empty spots, one filled by one of the Padilla’s of the world and the other is Ely’s?
Plus, McDonald could go into the pen and help out there.
I wouldn’t give up much to get Maholm, but he does have value
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure
but wouldn’t the Pirates be asking for someone like McDonald and then what have you gained by a more expensive 5th starter for this year and next year?
by meercatjohn on Jul 21, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe the Dodgers like Maholm’s mental makeup more.
by silverwidow on Jul 21, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not opposed to get someone who can help this year and next, but I just don’t see much in Maholm, and you’re right, I’d rather see James out there getting his shot.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I would too
but we need bullpen help, and I would rather get a starter to help this year and next then another reliever, and then put james in the bullpen for the rest of this year. Of course who knows how much that could potentially set him back as a starter.
My pet Ned theory is about to be tested
I’ve argued for awhile that the Santana and Bell deals were desperation—the man knew he had to win in the playoffs to keep his job. So he pulled out all the stops and damned the future. Now that future is his present. Let’s see how he acts with theoretical job security. If I’ve been right, we don’t trade Withrow for Paul Maholm just to win the wild card. If I’m wrong….well, I don’t want to go there yet.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 21, 2010 9:10 AM PDT reply actions
That’s my point—it’s the first trading deadline in awhile that he hasn’t been worried about keeping his job.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 21, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Good points. It's a test for him
but assuming McCourt doesn’t have to sell the team and he is indeed safe at least he doesn’t have to do a “save my job” move. But he may still feel panicky about saving the team or whatever. I really do feel more strongly than last year that they need to make a move, so I’m assuming he feels even more strongly than that…
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New ownership will still want to make a change. And its not as if McCourt is the most stable owner. He fired DePodesta with 3 years remaining on his deal.
Then again, he was advised by the great Valdimir Shpunt at the time.
This team has played poorly since Shpunt was exposed—I put nothing past the powers of the man.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 21, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm telling you man...
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So what would Scott Downs conceivably cost?
Just askin’…
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Are we using what did it take to get George Sherrill as a baseline? If we are something like Sands and Eovaldi. Bell was probably more coveted at this time last year.
by regfairfield on Jul 21, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess I'm wondering what the realistic asking price is from the Blue Jays
not what the NedCollettiGotFleeced Price is. ;-) meercat probably has it about right though. (I would not like to part with Trayvon for a reliever but… with the other two guys I’d throw in another B prospect that no one here is crazy about.)
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Haren > Oswalt
because of contract and health issues. Oswalt just seems like a Peavy waiting to happen.
Ed Wade being idiotic though is one reason I was interested
Seemed more possible to get Oswalt for less though with NedCo you never know.
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Brad Ausmus, GA, Jay Gibbons and George Sherrill.
done! ;-)
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Loney’s from Houston, although I suppose if he wouldn’t give him up for Lee..
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 21, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Carlos Lee? Pass.
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I would love to have been a fly on the wall in those discussions with the Indians.
Except for, you know, the whole short lifespan of flies part.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
At the next GM meetings
wouldn’t it be better to have bot flies in the rooms instead of sitting around a lobby hoping to hear a rumor. You could report the actual conversations and freak out the parties involved. I doubt if any GM entourage is scouring the rooms looking for bugs. We have any CIA operatives lurking here?
I'm not saying sell
but i do think making a deal would be a waste. Finding a stopgap for the fifth starter is a goal, but only insomuch as it keeps someone else from getting hurt.
Losing prospects for any of the crap pile of available players is a tragedy.
Just a reminder, fans, comin' up is our "Die-hard Night" here at the stadium. Free admission to anyone who was actually alive the last time the Dodgers won a pennant.
Yeah, I’m just not sure what the goal would be. Sure our front 4 might Haren, Kershaw, Bills, and Kuroda, but what good does it do when Paul and GA are splitting time in LF?
I think with a guy like Haren and even Oswalt, helping the 2011 rotation is another key benefit.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I get that, but we still have Paul/? in LF, and I like Paul. Plus no reinforcements on the horizon. I don’t mind giving up some prospect for one of those guys, but I think we need to realize that our chances this season are probably not good and in a couple of years we won’t have replacements for Furcal, Loney and others.
what?
All I am saying is that by 2013 when our core will be FA we will have the resources to resign some of them and go out and get others in FA.
I hope the TV rights bring in some revenue too, but that isn’t a sure thing right now I didn’t think.
It might, but don’t they have to establish a network like the YES network for that to happen? I don’t know really but I would think there are some variables to attend to prior to counting on that revenue today.
Yep
and there is also concern that the potential windfall from said network won’t be that large at all.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Why couldn’t they just make money selling it to Prime Ticket for 5 years?
As of now, they get no money from Prime Ticket broadcasting Dodger games.
by Michael White on Jul 21, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Not true
They get paid by Prime Ticket to broadcast games, but they don’t own the rights to form their own network until 2013
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Trial is set to start in a month. We should know by the end of the season who owns the team.
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Thats a bankruptcy court thing
and it hasn’t been going on that long. This divorce thing won’t take bast 2012.
Because the Hicks was too heavily leveraged, kinda like McCourt. If Frank is deemed owner he is going to have to find some way to become solvent or take on some investors quickly. I just don’t think it is going to be wrapped up with a bow after the divorce proceedings.
For sure
the financial problems were here before the Divorce and they will be here after the divorce as long as the McCourts own the team.
No, you're right
There will be residual appeals cases and prolongued transfer of power either way, but at least we’ll know who the owner is.
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I’d say even Maholm helps next year if the price isn’t too high. He’s locked up for two more years.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 21, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I was amused yesterday—so many Buc fans wanted Van Slyke.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 21, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that's perfect frankly
Make Bucs fans happy, do something that has a cool historical tie-in, give them a decent but not great prospect, everyone wins.
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The blog Where Have You Gone Andy Van Slyke? would have a field day.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree with that too
if the price is right, I’m OK with Maholm.
If only so I can get the pronunciation of his name down.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Just say Gollum and cough everytime
no one will know the difference
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Nate Robertson's available!
ok, he’d be a sucky starter but as a lefty reliever, maybe worth a look?
(MLBTR)
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I have always had an odd fascination with Robertson.
I have no real reason to be, but I’ve always been a fan.
by Michael White on Jul 21, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It's the goggles
Dodger fans like guys with goggles.
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Nate Robinson is like the Eric Byrnes of basketball for me. Hate, hate, hate.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Come on Eric
I’d take Glen Davis’s spit yells over Eric Byrnes
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I will say this
Even though I was incensed with the Lakers Game 4 loss, Nate’s “Shrek and donkey” line in the postgame was brilliant, and I did crack up.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I have an endless fascination
for the Nate Robinson’s, Spudd Webb’s, Bogues, Boykins, and the original short man Calvin Murphy.
Childish antics aren't a sign of a competitor to you?
I think not liking Byrnes was settled when I heard the story that he had to stop playing Tennis because he wouldn’t stop throwing the racket around.
To answer an earlier question, of course the Dodgers have untouchable prospects — relative to the return.
Is Sands untouchable for Maholm? You’d be an idiot to not think so.
Agreed of course. And Sands is one of the few
on my own list that I’d rather not give up for anyone (even Haren, I’d hate to see him raking in AZ some day). Even though of course we don’t know for sure who will pan out.
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What’s wrong with letting Brent Leach take his licks up here. It seems unlikely he would be any worse than Maholm or Westbrook and at least he could get some experience.
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I actually am more in favor of trying Leach as a 2nd lefty in the pen
than as a starter… but either way, yeah he could be brought back again.
Maybe the Dodgers can’t afford enough rosin/rosin bags to keep him up here. ;-)
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Would he be worse than McDonald or Ely?
If so, that would be what’s wrong with it.
The guy was just converted back to a starter last month. Maybe give him a little bit of time to adjust.
by Michael White on Jul 21, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt if they have any plans on making him a starter
I think they just want him to work on things and he could that better as a starter then as a loogy. This way he can try to learn how to get RHH out. I doubt he ever starts for us but I could see him back in our bullpen.
Leach has a 5.72 ERA in the minors this year. This is way worse than what Maholm is doing in the majors.
by regfairfield on Jul 21, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
But he’d be free. If not Leach, then whoever the next best AAA option is.
Bring back Giovanni Carrara!
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lol
we could probably bring him back right now, slap a dodgers uni on him and he’d be good for a 4.5 era. dude was strange like that.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 21, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay, armchair GMs, have at it:
The Unofficial Trade Proposal/Prediction Thread
I have to get to work now, have fun!.
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That is because Callis thought Wieters
was the greatest prospect in the world and pretty much ignored Santana until he became an Indian. Wieters might be a better defensive catcher but given the huge gap in offensive performance between the two I don’t see it. Wieters was a college catcher who has had a full year to show what he do with the bat and it is not very impressive so he must be one hell of a defensive catcher for Callis to make that claim.
Santana’s hit rate has actually been unlucky so that .400 OB he’s carrying should actually be about 25 points higher. When a catcher can put up a .900 OPS he’d have to be catching bare handed to make up for the defensive difference.
by meercatjohn on Jul 21, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we should sell just so Joe Torre gets pissed off and retires. I like Bob Shaeffer and hope he stays, but good riddance to the rest of em.
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OT: New Avatar: Last Airbender cartoon series
The Legend of Korra takes place 70 years after the events of Avatar: The Last Airbender and follows the adventures of the Avatar after Aang – a passionate, rebellious, and fearless teenaged girl from the Southern Water Tribe named Korra. With three of the four elements under her belt (Earth, Water, and Fire), Korra seeks to master the final element, Air. Her quest leads her to the epicenter of the modern “Avatar” world, Republic City – a metropolis that is fueled by steampunk technology. It is a virtual melting pot where benders and non-benders from all nations live and thrive. However, Korra discovers that Republic City is plagued by crime as well as a growing anti-bending revolution that threatens to rip it apart. Under the tutelage of Aang’s son, Tenzin, Korra begins her airbending training while dealing with the dangers at large.
cool, I have to get the original series
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 21, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Oooooooooh
Where did you find that?!
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Just for amusement (about another team's injury issues)
@KenTremendous Bad news from New York: Pettitte on 60-day DL with a Grade-1 strain of his How Is He Still Good? muscle.
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Yeah
(And of course I didn’t mean amusement about Pettite’s injury, just Ken Tremendous being funny.)
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Heh. Yep. Busier these days writing for Parks and Rec.
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This is making me think of that investment show on Arrested Development.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 21, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Jon Weisman explains why holding doesn’t make sense.
by Michael White on Jul 21, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Jon’s perspective was interesting. I will see if I can make the case for standing pat.
To be a buyer, one must balance the gain for 2010 — that is, the likelihood of a WS appearance — against the cost. For any real acquisition, the cost will be high, and it will come from the players that are the next wave of Dodger talent, coming up probably not next year but the year after or the year after that, replacing the current core as they become free agents. If you, like me, are bearish on 2011-12, then you must have an especially keen eye as you ponder giving up that talent.
So maybe if you’re that bearish on the next two years, it makes more sense to be sellers. Punt on ’10. Maybe you can get guys who are closer to being ready, who will make ’11 and ’12 a bit better, and when the current prospects come up we are good to go. However, punting on a season that is still competitive is not necessarily a good idea. If ’11 and ’12 are wilderness years no matter what you do, then you gotta give the team its one more shot after back-to-back NLCS trips.
That’s all a lot of words to say I don’t know what to do. Even a good trade might not result in the World Series and could make the wilderness years worse, but how do you give up when a championship might be there for the taking?
Standing pat isn’t noble, but it might be the best middle ground between going for it now and mortgaging the future.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 21, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel that holding is the least risky, and therefore management will go for it
maybe add like 1 reliever or a 5th starter…but essentially do nothing that makes a real impact on the farm or big club
personally I agree with John’s take that it would be smarter to just go for and make a few smart trades, hope players pick it up, and ignite the bench a bit with maybe a Marlon Anderson type guy and a few pitchers of quality. I also wouldn’t be outraged if we traded, with ownership penny pinching, that might be the only way we can acquire decent prospects these days!
It just seems like holding for the most part might be the overall safest route from a PR standpoint, and will keep Frank out of the spotlight come July 31st…just my take
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I will be a guest tonight at 6:30 with Steve Phillips and Jeff Rickard tonight on Sirius XM Fantasy Baseball Radio
Philip Eric and Steve Stephen.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 21, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Ask Phillips if he’d still trade Strasburg for Oswalt, straight up.
by silverwidow on Jul 21, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Congrats
I take this is an upgrade over the MLB Soup Show
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 21, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Is Pierre going to get another ring in a box?
by Michael White on Jul 21, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Prince Fielder: who will likely cost the White Sox every tradeable asset they have left: 143 OPS+
Jim Thome: who wanted to sign with them but got shot down and signed with the Twins for two million: 145 OPS+
by regfairfield on Jul 21, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
YES announcers saying if we’d have protested last night – we’d have won. Not sure if correct though.
I would like to have the Dodgers one day in my lifetime win a protest.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Pride
Does anyone else expect to see a brawl tonight, especially with this umpire crew out there again?
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 21, 2010 11:57 AM PDT reply actions
I love how Panda came over to protect Timmy when he hit Matt. Matt could just stare at Tim and he would crumple over like Woody from Toy Story.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 21, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You better have Panda protect Timmy after that
Matt is a GROWN MAN. Jeez.
Of course, if he had hit Lincecum, there would be a trillion news stories the next day about how Rihanna has to watch out. So I am glad he did not.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Requests have to be emailed to me 24 hours in advance.
by Michael White on Jul 21, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Dave requires a written request with three signatures, and notarized.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 12:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We could put the Underdog Trade thing
on the front page and let everyone go at it. What say you Mr. Eric? or do you have something coming up soon?
I got nothing right now
Plus I’m away from a computer right now
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 1:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Or the Good Bye Mr. Ellis thread
you proved two things, you have the least amount of power in the history of ML catchers, and that you have a good eye
Why the Dodgers are going to trade your favorite player seems so negative.
by regfairfield on Jul 21, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope, we both spell and pronounce our last names differently.
by regfairfield on Jul 21, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I can vouch, I've seen them both at the same time
it was scary being around so much Andrew, only a few of us survived with a faculties still intact. It was to much for Eric, he was how shall I say it “brain damaged”.
Those were a tough few months of recovery
by Eric Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
being 3 1/2 back in the wildcard hurts the stand pat case
This team needs an SP. Something will be done. God help us.
If we have no money for salary, I wish we’d protect all the "potential " 2011-2012 prospects we like, then make a list of the expendable or “bad makeup” guys and market them. Thats probably what they’ll do.
Please think like a doctor and first do no more harm to the patient.
Good organizations have a healthy balance of farm and 40 man roster for long-term success.
I’d rather hold or trade Martin for prospects and build. I bet we’d win just as many games without him as with.(there I said it!)
Oh for a real big market owner taking advantage of a cash starved market!
Nick (SF): Lightening Round: Harper or Rendon?
Jim Callis: Been asked this a few times, and I always say Rendon. Harper has more power, but Rendon has a better bat, better makeup, will play a more valuable position and get to the majors significantly quicker. And he’ll have power, too.
From sure hall of famer catcher, to being slammed in two months.
Jay R (Iowa): Did Matt Purke really sign a contract with the Rangers, but MLB didn’t approve it? I can see making them wait until the deadline, but if MLB actually blocks a deal…that is ridiculous…
Jim Callis: Yes. Nolan Ryan and Purke’s father agreed on a predraft deal worth $6 million. But MLB was able to step in because they had to front the Rangers payroll money, and they weren’t going to allow a $6 million bonus.
Somewhat OK news.
Zach Lee hasn’t given an official word to his LSU coach that he will be staying. Mainairi, the baseball coach, has talked to Lee and feels confident he will enroll, but without an official OK and the Dodgers pitch, it’s still fair game (to me anyway).
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