Dodger Fifth Starter Poll
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 9:05 AM PDT
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PrintFive more days until the trading deadline. The Dodgers have one huge hole to fill and I'm pretty sure they will go outside the organization to fill it. With the arrival of Jansen, and Belisario working out, I'd think the bullpen is not really a huge priority other then possibly going after a LH relief pitcher so I'll focus this poll on the 5th starter position.
I've listed every viable candidate I can think of. My own preference is Ted Lilly because he's solid, probably cheap prospect wise compared to Oswalt, the alternatives, don't trust the future of Mr. Oswalt, type A will get us draft picks or can simply be part of the 2011 rotation if he accepts arbitration. His fastball is down, and from time to time he will get lit up but more times then not Ted Lilly will give you a quality start.
OPP DEC PC PQS IP H ER HR BB K BB9 K9 PC PQS ERA
04-24 @MIL W 78 5 6.0 3 0 0 2 4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.00
04-29 ARI L 98 2 5.0 7 6 3 2 6 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.00
05-05 @PIT L 74 3 6.0 9 4 1 0 2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.00
05-10 FLA L 92 4 7.0 5 3 1 0 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.00
05-16 PIT ND 109 3 7.0 6 3 0 3 4 2.0 4.9 90.2 3.4 4.65
05-21 @TEX L 111 3 6.0 6 2 0 3 4 2.3 4.9 96.8 3.0 5.23
05-27 LA ND 111 4 7.0 3 0 0 3 5 2.5 4.4 99.4 3.4 3.27
06-01 @PIT L 112 3 7.0 6 3 2 4 6 3.4 5.3 107.0 3.4 2.91
06-08 @MIL ND 90 5 8.0 4 1 1 0 8 3.3 6.9 106.6 3.6 2.31
06-13 CHW W 108 4 8.0 1 0 0 1 3 2.8 6.5 106.4 3.8 1.50
06-19 LAA L 104 2 5.0 9 6 2 3 7 2.8 7.5 105.0 3.6 2.57
06-24 @SEA ND 103 5 6.0 5 1 0 0 6 2.1 7.9 103.4 3.8 2.91
06-29 PIT W 101 5 7.0 6 1 1 1 5 1.3 7.7 101.2 4.2 2.38
07-04 CIN L 98 2 6.0 11 9 4 0 3 1.4 6.8 102.8 3.6 4.78
07-09 @LA L 73 0 3.0 7 5 1 2 1 2.0 7.3 95.8 2.8 7.33
07-16 PHI ND 110 4 7.0 4 3 2 1 10 1.2 7.8 97.0 3.2 5.90
07-21 HOU ND 109 5 7.0 7 1 1 1 6 1.5 7.5 98.2 3.2 5.70
Anyway what do you think Ned will do?
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He doesn’t have to trust him the rest of the year, he just has to be trust him for the next 6 days.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Right. August 2nd is after August 1st.
I guess if this is for the entire time after August 1st, I should have chosen mix and match from the current 40 man roster.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought the “rest of year” part was implied :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was more of a deadline question. Who will be the #5 starter once the deadline has passed? I expect it will be an in-house option, the most likely being Monk.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Happy Birthday!
:)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I get it
He only has to convince Ned he can be okay for the rest of the season for 6 more days. After that, we won’t have a choice but to start him because we will have not acquired someone else.
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Ely
I just hope he didn’t draw too much of Joe/Ned’s wrath. I still think he’s a serviceable #5 guy. I think he’s no much worse than Maholm (plus younger and cheaper) and can go a lot more innings than Monk.
I took the field
if there’s one thing I can count on, it’s that I have no fucking clue what ned Colletti is thinking.
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then you
are like every other GM in baseball
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Second hardest GM to work with
Mama pick up the phoooone!
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Mostly, I took the field because it involves names not mention like Meche, Westbrook, Carmona, Millwood
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forgot meche was on the 60 day
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Maholm
I went with Maholm. Lilly would probably be a decent pickup, but Maholm is younger and signed through next season, which I think appeals to Ned.
I would be alright with the Dodgers picking up Lilly. He will be cheap and he may be able to start for the Dodgers in Game 1 or 2 of a playoff series. The Dodgers don’t need to deal for anything less.
by squirrelmasterz on Jul 27, 2010 9:22 AM PDT reply actions
Lilly would be lucky to start game 4 and would probably turn into a LOOGY/long man. Not a great thing either since lefties are hitting .294 against him.
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I just think Ted Lilly has Jon Garland 2009 written all over him. Help us get to the postseason, we’ll give you a gold watch to go away.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Why isnt Padilla's name in the poll?
Oswalt wouldnt be the 5th starter, even if, he were traded here. I think Lilly is the only one worth going after. I guess Gorzelany wouldnt be bad, I like his gb%, I would just rather have more. A rotation with Oswalt pushing everyone back a slot, is way better than Gorzelany… in the rotation, period.
I think it was more a question of quantity not quality. Who would be our fifth starter as opposed to who would be our #5 starter.
Oswalt doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere anyway.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I can dream right?
Im just sick of BOTR deadline moves. I think Roy is going.. dont know where, but I think he is. I figured that by Roy saying he would defer his contract, that Ned would jump on it.
that’s the only reason i have hope too. deferred payments, gimp the future for today!
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It's 5th starter in the sense
that we know we have four established starters — Kershaw, Bills, Kuroda, and Padilla.
And if you don’t think Torre will factor in Padilla’s first two starts last October when determining his playoff rotation, you’re crazy.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Has there ever been a trade where Team A sends a prospect to Team B, and Team B sends MLB player X to Team A with the agreement that after the season Team A will send the player back?
Essentially, has anyone ever given up money or prospects to rent a player under contract for more than one year and returned the prospect to the original team the following year without getting the prospect back?
The ultimate rental of a player, though I’m struggling to find the words to describe it.
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per the CBA?
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Such a move is not really allowed, at least expressly.
The closest thing to that was probably Harry Chiti (1962) or Dickie Noles (1987), who were both traded for players to be named later, but the PTBNL ended up being the player themselves, as they were returned to the previous team.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I figured it would be frowned upon, but I also figured itw ould be the best way for what should have been a contending team to get something in return should they become injury-stricken one season but still expect to compete next year. For example, can you imagine the Tigers trading Justin Verlander for two months and getting him back in November? They’d be able to get a prospect or two and be able to compete with him again next year.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
You know who I voted for.
But it’s not because he’s cute. ;)
I think that unless we add a SP, it’s going to be Ely. There was an article on Dodgers.com that had Torre saying pretty positive things about him, that he wanted to see him succeed.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I went with the field
personally – if we could get him for pretty cheap – i wouldn’t mind seeing Carmona at all. His K/BB ratio is questionable, and leads to his FIP and x-FIP being higher than his ERA (3.51 ERA compared to FIP/x-FIP of 4.00/4.52), but he keeps the ball on the ground and limits solid contact. I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the staff at all.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
Tickets are being mailed this week
if you have not put your name into the TBLA night for Aug 7th by the end of this week you will be out of luck.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/7/23/1584546/tbla-outing-august-7th-saturday
I will not be doing any meet ups before the game to hand out tickets.
I need addresses for Julio and TopDeck.
here's the WAR of the different pitchers, if anyone's interested
Guthrie……..0.9
Westbrook..1.0
Lilly…………..1.0
Maholm…….1.3
Jackson……1.7
Carmona….1.9
Gorz………….2.0
Myers……….2.5
Oswalt………2.7
Monk………..-0.4
McDonald..-0.1
Ely…………….1.2
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
sorry it's so messy
didn’t come out quite like i thought it would.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
you were could’ve been a great Dodger.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
not really a joke you can do
at trade time my friend.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea, I just mentioned our LF had a fractured ankle out of context last week, and it freaked every one out.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 27, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
i was thinking about that. couldn’t remember who it was though.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
yous a ho
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
You can’t just drop stuff like that, man. It’s hard enough doing absolutely nothing at work, I can’t be getting excited like this for no reason.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
that's his thing though
you can’t stop it, you can only hope to contain it.
And by it i mean your excitement
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Can’t see Lilly happening. This trade is as much about this year as it is the next and Lilly would be gone this offseason. Sticking with my Maholm pick.
Lilly is who I prefer, Maholm makes the most sense unless he can score Gorzelany. I should have put Zambrano on the list.
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Shea Hillenbrand disagrees.
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I could be wrong, I thought he was the guy who hit his wife.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Shea hit his manager not his wife
in reality he’s a cool dude living a cool life in Arizona.
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
ya i tried looking iit up. I feel like a douchebag for saying that THEN looking it up.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Dodgers hats
are supposedly the number one sports hat used by gang members to show their colors. So we also have that going for us.
vr, Xei
which is nice
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by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt Frank cares
as long as they steal them from someone who paid good money for them.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
So all those times I've seen Dodger hats
and gave up a thumbs up sign I was actually doing gang signs? Are we the Crips and the Angels the Bloods?
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
hey we can be the bloods too...
please don’t kill me Eric :)
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by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of hats the Lakers mailed me a
2010 World Championship Hat that is black. Black WTF
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
wait...aren't you a clipper fan?
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by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
something about that doesn’t fit…
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by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I root for every Los Angeles and suburb of Los Angeles teams
other then the Raiders.
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
gotcha
i’m the same way, with the exception of usc. And i don’t love the Angels, but I’ll root for them over most AL teams
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by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
5th starter
I voted Monk, because I kind of read the question the same way MW did. If I voted for which of those pitchers “I’d like” to have be our 5th starter, I’d go with Gorzelany. He is under team control and is pretty good and has a nice K rate the last two years. He is getting a little lucky this year with his HR/FB rate but I can live with that.
vr, Xei
he’d probably continue to get lucky in DS, Petco and the Payphone too.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I was thinking that too, but I’m not too worried about Colorado or Arizona at the moment. Especially with him being a lefty, I imagine he’d be fine against Colorado.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Phil, I've tried and failed to be able to comprehend this paragraph:
I’ve listed every viable candidate I can think of. My own preference is Ted Lilly because he’s solid, probably cheap prospect wise compared to Oswalt, the alternatives, don’t trust the future of Mr. Oswalt, type A will get us draft picks or can simply be part of the 2011 rotation if he accepts arbitration. His fastball is down, and from time to time he will get lit up but more times then not Ted Lilly will give you a quality start.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
He likes Ted Lilly because: he’s solid, potentially cheaper than Oswalt, as a Type A FA he can either get us draft picks or just stick around to be part of the rotation. Also, he can get lit up but he’s a viable 5th starter.
Also, Phil doesn’t like Oswalt’s future.
Not sure what “the alternatives” means. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
ha ha
1. Because he’s solid – he usually give you 6 innings of good WHIP
2. probably cheap prospect wise compared to Oswalt – The prospect price should be manageable compared to Oswalt.
3. the alternatives – compared to the alternatives I’ve heard, Lilly is better then most
4. don’t trust the future of Mr. Oswalt – not a fan of Oswalts future given his stature and previous back problems.
5. type A will get us draft picks – he’s a Type A so if we offer him arbitration, like Wolf last year he could net us two number one picks
6. or can simply be part of the 2011 rotation if he accepts arbitration – self explanatory
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
My prediction
Ned doesn’t acquire anyone prior to Saturday (the non-waiver deadline).
He will pick up someone in August. Just look at his track record. Plus, it makes sense financially. Wait for some team to wait until they don’t want a guy at all. He clears waivers. Instead of just picking up Player X’s paycheck (like a team with money would do), Ned sends 2 – 3 of our top 15 prospects.
I should have added that option
but given that we might have to pitch Monk and Ely back to back against the Giants in a very important series, can he afford to wait that long?
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Prospects have to clear waivers too, and this doesn’t solve the problem of needing a starter in 2011.
by regfairfield on Jul 27, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
It certainly doesn’t solve the 2011 problem, but how often has Ned shown foresight? Look at the Garland/Abreu trade in August last year.
I was not a fan of Abreu being the price for Garland, but are we really still beating the Abreu drum?
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm suprised the Santana drum
has any beat left in it.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
SSS but losing a career .642 OPS in 299ABs is not something I’m going to frown over. The .642 is actually inflated due to his .713 OPS in 66 ABs with the Dodgers in 2007. He’s only at .540 OPS this year in 125 ABs.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Not trying to beat the Abreu drum
Just pointing out an example of the rationale behind my prediction.
If Abreu is the starting 2nd baseman in 2011
for the Diamondbacks we shall see if that drum has any beat left. Much to early to say he’s toast.
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Given the cost-cutting moves
of the D-Backs, I would not put that out the realm of possibilities.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I had access to Prime Ticket on Sunday. I gotta say the pre-game is fun to watch. It was interesting to hear Ned say they had made offers on 4 different guys and were waiting to hear back.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 27, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
What about Shaun Marcum?
He’s coming off TJ surgery but he’s pitched really well so far this year. ERA, FIP and x-FIP are all under 4, pitching in the AL East. Not sure about his contract status but I think he’s under team control through 2011, and his salary this year is only $850,000.
I haven’t heard if he’s being shopped, but if he is then he’s my new vote.
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supposedly toronto has high demands for most of their pitchers.. or so the rumor mill would have us believe
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 27, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
He was the comp for Ely
Not like Toronto has a bunch of replacements. Listch, Tallet, Ryvanwrinkle all are poor substitutes.
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
What about Dan Haren?
All we have to trade Haren for is Ethan Martin, John Ely, John McDonald, and a bag of shit.
Seriously though
how could we have possibly offered less than what the Angels gave up?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I get that
but that only matters if they plan on competing at some point while Haren’s contract stands. If they continue to sell as has been reported, I don’t see that happening.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
True. But what they don’t want to give the fans the perception that they are not going to make an attempt at competing for three (plus) years.
and the rest – like my buddy in college – think they’ve already won the world series because they’re in first place in July
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by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea but Joe Saunders has a winning record! (note extreme sarcasm, I don’t use exclamation points often)
I checked
and Billingsley has a very comparable record with Joe.
55-35
54-32
So because Billingsley is actually good in categories besides wins, he should be worth around as much as Greinke :)
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
It’s still 10 this year. Utah and Colorado don’t join until 2011 (2012?).
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
yeah well all they'll have to do
is change the 0 to a 2. It won’t change the design at all
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by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
is that a mountain in the middle? Is that them announcing their plans to rip the Mountain West up?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
it's supposed to be
a wave rolling into a mountain, according to Andy Staples of SI.com
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by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Now that you mention it
I can see the wave!
i don't mind it actually
i think it looks ok
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by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
the pac 10 doesn’t endorse cheating and lying
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not publicly, anyway.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
by G.Scott on Jul 27, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am on the floor
after learning just now that Jersey Shore cast will get 30k an episode for season 3.
@soyboquense
People that are smarter than all of us: T-Pain, The Situation.
by regfairfield on Jul 27, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
To be fair
T-Pain never thought he’d be on a boat.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
by Maddz on Jul 27, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
great reference
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by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
It was all part of T-Pain’s master plan.
by regfairfield on Jul 27, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
please try our
EXTRA BIG-ASS FRIES!!!!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The Situation deserves way more
He makes the show. Everyone else is garbage
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 27, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
That's true
Pauly D and Situation are a pretty unstoppable combo. GTL for life
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 27, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really. Didn’t he quit one night and kick the girl who he was supposed to be “taking the grenade” with out of the house?
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
No, he ditched her with an awesome spin move.
by regfairfield on Jul 27, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I do not watch Jersey Shore, but I imagine the show is filled with idiots being idiots.
How is it different from Real World?
Road Rules was better.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I still watch the challenges. That’s basically all I watch of that franchise now.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
i don't watch it either
i’ve caught a couple minutes of it because my brother and sister-in-law like it. it’s exactly as you described.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Jersey Shore is idiots in their own environment, as opposed to Real World is idiots in a new environment.
And the Real World before Las Vegas was actually a pretty normal show.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
The Real World
is taking its talents to South Beach
Went to the casino last night
and Im proud to say that after 7 hours, I went up 20 dollars.
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions
and then two minutes later
down 50 right?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope I decided to call it quits
Just wasn’t getting any good hands tonight
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 27, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
My last Vegas trip
I believed I finished the gambling portion up three or four hundred, since I finished 3rd in a small hold-em tournament, won some more money in hold-em cash game and even made a few bucks playing Pai-Gow poker.
But I probably netted down some bucks because of a stupid rental car deal and my cheap hotel wasn’t that cheap.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
my last(and first) Vegas trip
I watched my younger brother win almost $500 from a nickel slot.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha thats awesome
I love playing some nickel and penny slots with all the senior citizens
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 27, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Slot machines are like ATM’s for my brother
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 27, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
That tournament
was one where I had no difficult decisions until the final table, because the hands I did have, I didn’t have to make a hard decision (Aces, Kings, AK) I just bet, called, raised and waited out the draw. By the time the final table happened I had average chip stack, had a couple of good breaks and finished third.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice work….there is nothing worse than getting crap or marginal hands in a tournament, you bleed out the blinds and eventually have to choose your spot to go all in with 10/9 off suit because it is the best hand you have seen in the last 2 hours.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 27, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
10/9 suited is my favorite hand
Just wanted to say that lol
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 27, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah extremely amatuer
But I did win 10 on some ridculous sot machine which was pretty cool
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I miss Las Vegas
Those are the only spam ads I find that work. I get an email from MonteCarlo and want to leave immediately.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I get Monte Carlo, NY and Bellagio ads
on my personal email accounts
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Those are the ones I get as well. I was getting the Aria emails when that hotel was about to open up, but no longer.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Caesars
because back in the day, it was the place to go.
The Wynn, Aria, Bellagio, are fine but they are sometimes just too big.
I don’t really have any favorite Poker rooms.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t really have a favorite, I just want to be there. Staying at Wynn next month. Never been there before.
@soyboquense
I like the corner with Ceasers, Bellagio, Barbary Coast, Ballys and Flamingo. I prefer to stay at either Ballys or Flamingo as they are reasonable and nice enough. I like to play at Barbary Coast (or Bill’s now I guess) but wouldn’t stay there.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Now that is certainly
OT.
And probably falls into the Dodgers just traded Jerry Sands area of truthfulness
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I need to check out the Flamingo
My cousins have stayed there for years (in separate trips not as ongoing stay)
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I get em all it seems
MC, Bellagio, Mirage, TI, Bally’s, Venetian, Wynn, Aria, Golden Nugget, New York New York, Mandalay, probably some others.
I like to stay at the Mirage. It’s a nice central location and I like their poker room
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
haven't you heard?
it’s Scotty Pods now.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you’re getting a little crazy here as the deadline is approaching.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
i just wish
we could have some positive Hysteria. I’ll start:
Can’t wait until we get Grienke and Soria for Belliard, McDonald, Ely, and GA(for added grit)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I just thought of Pedro for some reason. He’s still not taken right? If his price is right, I could jump on that bandwagon.
His agent said he wont be pitching this season
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 27, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
His agent released a statement the other day saying he will not be playing this season.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Besides
He’s probably too small to make it as an MLB starter.
that's not funny
it’s like Carlos Santana x 50
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
pujols is going to be a dodger tomorrow.
so are ryan braun, joe mauer and martin prado.
Kenley Jansen > Mariano Rivera
Speaking of the subject here
Jayson Stark confirms Dodgers are looking at Ted Lilly, fwiw. And that Oswalt is very unlikely.
Link: Countdown to Trade Deadline
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
he did say they haven’t completely given up on it though.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe I said this when the Dodgers drafted Lee
And I’ll say it again with Oswalt.
From a PR perspective, it would help the Dodgers and Frank McCourt if they traded for Oswalt regardless of the cost in prospects.
Now for some, it won’t change their opinions and it won’t have the impact with casual fans like when Manny came in 2008.
Ted Lilly will cost less in money and players but it won’t have the appeal that Oswalt would have, but I don’t think they make that deal for Roy, given that the Astros are not as desperate to deal him like the Mariners and D-Backs were to deal their pitchers.
I think Jon Weisman was more right. People will hate the McCourts regardless. With that in mind, I’d hope they ignore the PR angle altogether and just operate in the best interest of the club.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When it aligns with their interests. Like bringing in Manny.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Their interests is making money. An Oswalt trade doesn’t guarantee any future earning revenue. Its not as if you have to see an Oswalt start. He won’t sell jerseys like Manny would.
it would help
in terms of making fans believe that the FO cares about winning.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Every team is interested in making money. The Clippers make money despite sucking for 30 years. The McCourts want to be loved, meaning they want a winner.
I don’t think he’ll be loved anyway (not anymore) so screw the tradign the farm for Oswalt nonsense.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Further, George Sherrill doesn’t sell jerseys either, yet the club traded for him at the deadline. The deadline deals were made through the lens of bettering the team.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
Outside of Manny (where I saw fans lined up to buy tickets the weekend after the trade), no deadline deal makes a lot of extra money.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I tend to agree with Jon
But nonetheless, if they were to get Oswalt, it would give them something for the next few years too. And even with the cost (money and players), Oswalt would probably be more useful in 2011 and 2012 than the players they would give up in the deal.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Nobody does, but that is the reasoning behind such a move
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t see it unless the Astros kick in a lot of money, and if they’re going that, the Dodgers are kicking in a bunch of their prospects
As a straight deal, I don’t see the Dodgers trading for Oswalt either. But if Oswalt is willing to be creative with some deferrals, or the Astros kick in some money, I think a deal could get done. I don’t think the Dodgers will have a problem parting with prospects to get him.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Figure it out this way
Oswalt’s 2011 salary is what $12M (which is the same as Kuroda’s 2010 salary), if they can defer half of the 2012 salary over a three year period 2012 – $8M, 2013 – $4M, 2014 $4M, and maybe guarantee no arbitration offer after 2012, that could be doable.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if the deferred salary was possible.
A bigger problem is the ’Stros (reportedly) wanting one of our major league position players (I read Loney) plus two top prospects and another prospect.
Yeah
something like that sounds about right, except that Oswalt is due $16m in 2011.
But the framework is workable.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
No
but having 5 starters who could conceivably win every time out would give the Dodgers a better chance and unlike some other past deals, he would be on the club for one or two more years.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is
if Oswalt had dredlocks they would have traded for him in May?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
i want to say something sarcastic to that
but the thought of Oswalt in dreadlocks is killing me.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the casual fan
would rather use the 2-3 Million for Lee on someone who can help them right now. The casual fan does not give a shit about an 18 year pitcher who is four years away from helping the team, so from a PR perspective I don’t see signing Lee as a win for Frank.
Oswalt I agree with, but I don’t think Frank is doing any PR work at the moment, he’s trying to keep his head above water.
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
The casual fan
Would be fine trading our entire farm system for “proven vets” and those with playoff experience. Grit & hustle over talent and cost-effectiveness!
by QuinnTheEzkamo on Jul 27, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Tony Jackson gets his wish
From Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse:
Infielder Juan Castro, released by #Phillies, signs minor-league deal with #Dodgers.
Thank God
can’t wait for Rafy to get hurt so we can use Castro as the everyday SS.
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t be the only one here who facepalmed when I saw that, can I?
Do we not have any AAA infielders? Is he going to take a spot on the 40 man?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
He would only take a spot on the 40-man if he takes a spot on the 25-man roster.
So, probably
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey man, he hit like .350 the first 3 weeks of last season!
Cut him some slack!
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
A pitcher like Evoladi.
If they want to be ballsey and show up Colletti, they’ll ask for a guy like Carlos Frias, and Pimtenel in Low-A.
You would trade Carlos Santana for two months of Casey Blake.
by Tripon on Jul 27, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
“Yes, I’m a carrot.”
“She admitted it!!!”
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
it was "I'm gonna marry a carrot"
simpson quote junkie……AWAY!!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
MORE ROMANCE: Friends of ballplayer Matt Kemp say he’s talking engagement with Rihanna. That love affair is very much on track. … Also, due to the success of Rihanna’s single with Eminem (‘’Love the Way You Lie’‘), they’re talking about doing an entire album together.
http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/2536044,CST-FTR-zp27.article
She’s a succubus!
The Lance Carter game in San Diego (i think it was there) was one of the more painful baseball games that i remember.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 27, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
If we add pre-2005, I would like to add Odalis Perez.
I believe he’s the real reason DePodesta got canned.
He still counts
since Odalis was here until he was traded mid-season in 2006
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Carlos Perez
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Finished my fanpost about the top 35 pitchers (and Billingsley) in WAR
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/7/27/1590592/how-does-kershaw-stack-up-against
And how Kershaw compares since each pitcher’s 7th start of the season.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
OT: I am seriously thinking about switching to Ubuntu and MythTv from the Windows 7 setup I have.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 27, 2010 12:18 PM PDT reply actions
I don’t support Ubuntu because it was used as a rallying cry by the 2008 Celtics.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You will regret this
I am a huge tech nerd, and all that whatnot, and Ubuntu is miles better then most Linux os’s in terms of usability, but its still a pain in the ass.
Linux was meant to be built, not used.
Even as a dedicated HTPC? I have been running 10.04 in vmware, and I have not run into any issues.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 27, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
off topic
does anybody have any knowledge if a substitute teacher qualifies for unemployment during summer recess?
How would you get unemployment when no one else is working
also, teachers have unique employment rules based upon union contracts and other things.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe a long term sub contract is eligible for unemployment. Of course the problem is that public school districts are not hiring.
I have applications for over 70 schools now, got 7 rejection letters so far, and probably at least another 30 that won’t bother mailing me a letter saying I didn’t get the job.
I had two friends interview for the same position for a 60% job at a good school district and was told they’d be perfect for it, except they have no experience. This job market is insane and hostile to new entries into the workforce.
i wholeheartedly agree as a wannabe librarian.
i feel like i wasted two years of my life and 38 grand on a useless degree.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 27, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Tough times for teachers
no new hiring, furlough, cutting health benefits every year, larger class sizes, robotizing teaching curriculum’s, ADD kids, multiple languages, no aids. Thank God for the vacations.
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I could deal with every single issue listed there except for the first. I’m not going to miss what I never had, just let me in first.
I can remember when
30% of LAUSD was non-credentialed because they had such a hard time filling jobs. Now it is 100%.
by meercatjohn on Jul 27, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
My teacher’s aid was Jim Beam.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Old friend Greg Brock
Appears to have been fortunate to secure a good position, entering his third year down in the South Bay. Of course he spent some time in places like Bakersfield before he got that gig.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I was asking in case anybody else has worked as a sub
I applied but i am not sure because during the school year it is not a for sure thing that you work everyday or even on a weekly basis. it is sporadic work at best. and they have no work at all during summer school so essentially for 3 months, i get no money at all.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 27, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
the thing that sucks
is that i signed up as a sub, worked sporadically for 3 months before the school year ended, and now i won’t get anything from edd. it is almost like the state would rather when i got laid off my job in december, that i just sat around not trying to find work. i should have not tried to work, and i would be in better shape than i am in now.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 27, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I asked a friend of mine
fellow substitute teacher…
He said from what he remembers you can only qualify if you got a letter from the district saying you wouldn’t be rehired as a sub for the following year.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's an answer from LAUSD teachers site (UTLA)
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks, i guess that gives me some kind of hope.
but i am not holding my breath.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 27, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, it could depend on whether or not the district has year round schools.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
If anyone wants to spend their lunch with extreme stimulation, you can watch the Matt Barnes press conference with the Lakers at 1pm, on Lakers.com
Eric and I saw the best catch the other night
since McRay ran through the wall.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think an MLB team should try to cut costs with those chain link fences.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the clip
In the first few seconds of this clip
Eric – Canada ending up winning 30-29.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Unlike Sloshball
put a keg at second and have to chug a beer before being allowed to advance.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
The Dodgers were at Petco when the Lo Duca trade went down right?
Also the Finley deal the next day. Deja vu perhaps in the next three days.
I always forget
if that was also the same weekend as the Milton Bradley catch over the CF wall, when he was shushing the crowd on his way back to the dugout.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That
or the extra-inning HR in Milwaukee.
Oh, to be 12-2
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't remember which game, but I have a feeling it was this one
got me in trouble with the wife cause she was trying to kiss me but I busted out cheering cause the game was on the radio. To be 18/19 again…
I want to believe we can get Oswalt
but he is way too costly for us considering his contract and recent decline. We have a much more legitimate chance of getting Lily or Fausto Carmona, who would be pretty good for lower rung starters in out rotation.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
he's having a career year, again.
BUt everything else you said is accurate.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
If one wanted to see Clayton Kershaw the next few days
I would wander around the hotel during the game since I believe as a suspended player, he cannot be in the Stadium once the game starts.
He might be able to go to a suite. Torre was in Colletti’s suite last week during his one-game sojourn.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Was he wearing his Bobby Valentine disguise?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
would the Dodgers have a suite on the road
Maybe each team provides something like that as a courtesy to the other team.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure if this type of suspension (i.e. still on the active roster, unlike Manny) is treated like others though. Who knows?
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
He can be in the stadium - just not in the dugout or press box - MLB Rule 4.07
4.07
When a manager, player, coach or trainer is ejected from a game, he shall leave the field immediately and take no further part in that game. He shall remain in the club house or change to street clothes and either leave the park or take a seat in the grandstand well removed from the vicinity of his team’s bench or bullpen.
Rule 4.07 Comment: If a manager, coach or player is under suspension he may not be in the dugout or press box during the course of a game.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like clubhouse city for CK, especially since the visitors bullpen in SD has such limited space.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a great marketing opportunity for the Dodgers. Have one designated Reserved Level seat reserved for suspended players and have them sit up with the crowd the whole game.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I am guessing the bullpen would be considered
the same as the dugout.
But at least the visiting clubhouses in Petco and AT&T are bigger than the Dodgers home clubhouse.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 27, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I anticipate Kershaw will just go nuts on Gatorade and sunflower seeds, or perhaps turn the clubhouse TV to NFL Network to watch something on the Cowboys
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Rockies shopping Cook
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
They’re supposedy willing to take on salary. That could help get them something better, but I agree. Trade market for a 10mil/year pitcher with a near-5 ERA tends to not be too high.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Guess we can call that trade a draw.
Then again Charlie Morton is really, really bad.
by regfairfield on Jul 27, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
5th starter poll
I chose the field, partially because I think that Fausto Carmona would be a great pickup if he is available. He’s only 26 and is signed through next season, although at over 6 mill I’m not sure if the Dodgers would pay. However, he’s having a better year than any of the others mentioned, save Oswalt, and could be a horse in the playoffs.
Cleveland, the team that traded Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez for Justin Masterson and Jason Donald.
Well, that and the Santana thing.
by regfairfield on Jul 27, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
Matt LaPorta is THE MAN! That guy CC was washed up.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
LaPorta has hit .305/.374/.537 since being called back up. This run has got him up to a .707 OPS on the season.
by regfairfield on Jul 27, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually hope he keeps it up
I like seeing small market teams do well, and I love parity. But I also love the trade season, and parity in MLB makes the trade deadline boring. So I’m conflicted.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I'm also on the Carmona bandwagon
Other than Oswalt, he’s the guy I’d like to see added
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
There are three ways to look at us acquiring a pitcher
1) We are acquiring someone who is an upgrade over at least one of our top four starters. This type of pitcher would (presumably) start a playoff game and have an effect in October.
2) We are acquiring someone who is not an upgrade over at least one of our top four starters. This type of pitcher would (presumably) not start a playoff game and would affect us making the playoffs, but would have little to no effect in October save for a long relief or situational appearance.
Scenario 1 is Roy Oswalt. Oswalt would provide a #1-2 (whether he is better than Kershaw at this point is debatable) for this year and two additional years.
Scenario 2 is everyone else. Everyone outside of Oswalt would not start a playoff game (barring an injury to our top 4) and thus, the decision of who to get is rather moot. The decision is then based around asking price and not the talent being acquired.
Scenario 3 is simple. We go after a 5th starter who we do not intend to start a playoff game, but who could pitch for us next year and keep us from having to spend too much in free agency. This would be your Paul Maholm deal. He won’t pitch at all in the playoffs, but would provide us with an okay fourth starter option for the 2011 season.
I’m leaving my hopes up for Scenario 1, but if we don’t get Oswalt I don’t really care who we get. We need SOMEONE at that point who will be more consistent than Ely and who can start every fifth day and give us quality innings. Frankly, the difference between who I consider to be the top of the non-Oswalt tier and the bottom of that same tier is so minute that it really doesn’t matter.
Basically, get Oswalt or get anyone else.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Good stuff
It’s important to note the difference between this season and last season. Last year at this point the playoffs were essentially wrapped up. It would have been very unlikely that the Dodgers failed to make the playoffs. In that case, the only deals that made sense were those that positively impacted the playoff roster, so scenario 1 above. This year however, the playoffs are very much in doubt, and scenario 2 represents real benefits. The club has to worry about gettign into the playoffs, therefore upgrading from Ely/Monk/McDonald to Maholm is a legitimate move.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Maholm (and also Guthrie) strike me as the kind of guys that could turn it up and pitch better for teams that aren’t perennially in last place.
I thought that about Guthrie too
maybe not pitching in a hitter’s league full of hitter’s parks would do him some good. Do his peripherals support that assumption though? I have no idea.
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Exactly
But paying a premium for Carmona as opposed to getting a Paul Maholm or Jake Westbrook is relatively moot. We either need someone to push Padilla to 5 or we’re getting someone who won’t push him down and will only effect the regular season.
My whole point being don’t overpay to get a very good 5th starter when you can pay less to get someone who is comparable.
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everyone else
I think there are other pitchers who might start over our top 4. If you recall last year, Bills imploded to the point of not being trustworthy in the playoffs. The same thing could happen this year, or we could suffer an injury to one of the 4. I think there is a chance that either Carmona, Lilly or Maholm (maybe another) could pitch ahead of Bills or others if they go into a funk.
by Mark Watkins on Jul 27, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
All of those guys have worse peripherals than Billingsley.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
that's true
at this point in the season…and probably at this point last season.
by Mark Watkins on Jul 27, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
you go with the hot hand
When the playoffs roll around, if we have five good starters, there is a fairly good chance that not all of them we be either healthy or pitching well. If we had one of those others, we could easily choose them to pitch in the playoffs. Who would have thought that Jose Lima would be the only one to win a playoff game a few years back?
by Mark Watkins on Jul 27, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Who would have thought Jose Lima would honest to God be the third best starter on a playoff team?
by regfairfield on Jul 27, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
peripherals?
I haven’t looked up peripherals, but Carmona’s ERA is about .7 less than Bills’ right now in a much tougher league. I think I’d trust him in a playoff game over Bills.
by Mark Watkins on Jul 27, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
ERA is a shitty metric and the catch all of him being in the AL is lazy.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Carmona is 10-7, he must be better. DiPoto thinks so.
in all seriousness, if you look at his game log, Carmona has faced the Yankees once and the Rays three times but everyone else has been below average to average.
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I mean,
hasn’t he been pitching in the AL Central? That division IS what people have been calling the NL West.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
If you havent looked up peripherals, its probably not the best idea to make a statement like that.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 27, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
ok
I know that ERA isn’t the greatest metric, but if you look at Padilla’s numbers in the AL before he came over here he was getting rocked pretty good. I think it’s safe to say that Carmona’s numbers would actually improve if he pitched in the NL (partially because of no DH and smaller parks). I think his peripherals would be much better than Bills’ would be.
by Mark Watkins on Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn't because he went AL to NL
It’s because he was playing in friggin Texas.
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He’s in a division featuring the White Sox, Royals and Tigers.
by regfairfield on Jul 27, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, but no. Switching leagues wouldnt have him strike out 3 more batters a game and walk 1 fewer. Carmona is a decent back end guy that keeps the ball on the ground better than almost everybody else. but, he doesnt strike out people and every game is basically left up to luck and defense. Chad Billingsleyis a sub 4.00 FIP pitcher and a legit front end guy.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 27, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
The adjustment between leagues for a full time player as a general rule of thumb (from Tom Tango) is 0.5 WAR. Move Carmona to the NL and tack 0.5 WAR on to his season ending total, assuming a full season worth of playing time.
“Put the ball in play” doesn’t mix well with the Dodger defense.
by regfairfield on Jul 27, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
well as long as the grounders are towards Raffy
he’ll be ok…
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Carmona's FIP/x-FIP are posted above
FIP of 4.00 and x-FIP of 4.52. He also is 2nd in the majors in GB%. However, his K/BB ratio is only 1.5. He’s a solid pitcher and I’d love him as a #5, but in no way an upgrade over Bills
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
in contrast, Bills' FIP is 3.41, and his x-FIP is 3.89
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
True
In different leagues, what were Padilla’s peripherals before and after he came over to the Dodgers?
by Mark Watkins on Jul 27, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm partially with you here
no, i don’t think Carmona is better than Bills, but I do think that he’s a very solid pitcher that would be a really good addition to the back of our staff. Carmona is a really solid #4 starter. But Bills is a legit #2 guy right now
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
also re. Padilla
you can’t overlook the fact that he was pissed off in Texas and that everyone in the clubhouse disliked him. His attitude (probably) sucked and that most likely hurt his pitching. Plus, going from Arlington to Dodger Stadium would help a pitcher way more than switching leagues.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
adjusting for league
it is almost even. I think Mark makes a good point, but perhaps is not stating his case in the best manner and a few people have misread his statement. He is saying that someone like Lilly or Carmona “could” take over for Billingsley or another Dodgers starter in the playoffs “if they were to go into a funk.” That could certainly be a true statement, and having a 5th starter who is nearly as good as your 2nd through 4th starters is a good thing. It’s just that you could say this about any team and any pitcher. I think the scar of what happened to Billingsley at the end of 2009, when he was dropped from the playoff rotation is weighing heavily on him.
It seems to me that he is suggesting that Fausto Carmons is currently a better pitcher than Chad and he would rather have Carmona in the playoffs, which is just a poorly researched and incorrect statement.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 27, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
for helping to clarify my thinking. That is exactly what I mean. At worst, I think that someone like Carmona could be a logical alternative to pitching Bills or one of the other starters besides Kershaw in the playoffs….and could make a great 2-4th starter for next year, just as Padilla in the playoffs last year and now is doing this year.
by Mark Watkins on Jul 27, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
ok
if that’s what you meant, I get ya.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
that’s kind of what i figured you meant. I feel the same way about Carmona. If we had to use him in the playoffs, i’d be ok with it. But i’d never use him over Bills unless Bills was hurt
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Bills
I obviously don’t know if his problems at the end of last year were mechanical or otherwise, but I simply have concerns about what he can give us in the playoffs. I’m more confident in the other 3 starters at this point. That’s not to say that Carmona or Lilly or someone else couldn’t just as easily replace Kuroda or Padilla if they experience similar problems.
by Mark Watkins on Jul 27, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is everyone so high on Carmona
Yes he is having a pretty solid year so far, but he was awful in 2008 and 2009 after his brilliant 2007. His peripherals aren’t much different other than slightly better H/9 and BB/9. He is as likely as anyone to come back down to Earth the rest of the season. And although its probably a toss-up, I would venture to say I would trust Lilly, Guthrie, Maholm or even Brett Myers to remain more consistent down the stretch.
Please don’t take this the wrong way, as I mean no insult, but I feel like that statement should have come from the mouth of Ken Rosenthal or Tim McCarver.
Is it possible that one of our top guys to lose it for a stretch? Sure. Is it wise to bank on that because out of a brilliant five year career Billingsley had two bad months? Hell no.
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by G.Scott on Jul 27, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like to be prepared for a pitcher imploding you’d need a 60 man roster.
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haha, well there are obviously different levels of preparedness. I think Mark makes a reasonable point.
It’s totally reasonable. I just don’t think trading for a great 5th starter is any different than trading for an average 5th starter. I’d rather trade for what I need and hope my very good players can make it through.
I have to believe that as a GM you just try to make the playoffs then grab some popcorn, hold your breath and enjoy the games.
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thanks Xiefrank
I frankly just don’t trust Bills much at this point. Yes, he did throw a shutout last time, but I still question his fortitude somewhat.
by Mark Watkins on Jul 27, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
oh man
please not this discussion again.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This is where I thought this was going.
by Michael White on Jul 27, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
His CG shutout and his NLDS wins
should have his fortitude unquestioned at this point. Next question.
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I agree.
I think that he is not bashing Billz career, but just saying to be prepared and to go with the hot hand. Whether Billz, Kershaw or anyone else is pitching well at the end of the season should always be up for debate. If Roger Clemens was getting rocked at the end of the season before the playoffs it would be valid to debate if he is trusted in the playoffs.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 27, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Going with the hot hand leads to decisions like “start Vicente Padilla on short rest, despite the fact he is Vicente Padilla”.
by regfairfield on Jul 27, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Well baseball has never been an exact science has it?
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 27, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
is the argument that billz should have been given the start ahead
of Padilla last playoffs? I think he should have, but maybe the coaches didn’t like where his mechanics were at. Or maybe they actually have concern for a guys career and don’t want to see him further injure himself. recovering from a broken leg is serious business and all last year i was afraid chad was going to fuck up his arm because of his leg issue. my point is the decision often has a lot of variables going into it.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 27, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
True Ian
Who knows what his issue was, but it was nice to have a good alternative available in Padilla. Sometimes I see Bills pitch and I think of how Hershiser was before Lasorda gave him the bulldog speech. It could be mechanical or he may have been injured though. Who knows?
by Mark Watkins on Jul 27, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Having an understanding of a player on a daily basis is important.
Who knows better about mechanics, injuries, whether his dog died than the team itself. Decisions are made from internal knowledge of things we as fans don’t have first hand knowledge of.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 27, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Numbers and peripherals are great, but those aren’t the only factors.
by Mark Watkins on Jul 27, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
i do too
if you’re making a deal, it’s important to consider what you may need him for. If one of the top 4 goes down – for any reason – would you rather have Carmona or Lilly potentially starting a playoff game? Or Guthrie? And so on. I don’t think you can blindly grab the cheapest option available no matter what. I’d get the guy that I felt I could rely on if it necessary
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
this
is both true, and awesome. Good stuff.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
RIP Jack Tatum
Though I was a Rams fan, I loved watching the Oakland Raiders teams in the 70s, especially Tatum and Atkinson just punish receivers.
Of course, the Daryl Stingley play (which I remember watching as it took place during an exhibition game) was a tragedy.
But those teams were good and had lots of characters.
Just heard about that as well, and was watching this..
for anyone who is interested, some Jack Tatum Hits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJrDYQwwbuY
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
We’re the “most active pursuers” for Oswalt. It’s just a matter now of how many prospects we’re going to give up.
"most active"
i think we’re the odds-on favorite, but only if Houston lowers the price. No way we give up Loney plus 3 or 4 top prospects. That doesn’t help this team get better, seeing as the pitching has carried us since the break. But if the Dodgers and Phillies really are the two most likely landing spots, we have to be the favorites because Oswalt doesn’t want to play in Philly.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 27, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers won’t give up guys off the Major League guys for anyone. They didn’t for Halladay or Lee, so I can’t see them doing it for Oswalt. The Astros FO, especially the Owner, need to realize he can’t really brag about trading Oswalt because if their team wasn’t so terrible, Oswalt would never even have asked to be traded.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Game preview up
Also, for Mike: Nate Robertson released by FLA
by Eric Stephen on Jul 27, 2010 2:07 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
no
but Sherrill can, so I’m not sure why we’d need him.
Not a joke.
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