What is inside the Pod?
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 8:07 AM PDT
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PrintThe Dodgers just acquired a shiny new pod, with wisps of morning dew suggesting a new day has arisen. The pod has all the shiny things that our current left field situation lacked. For the old school the vaunted three hundred batting average along with the ring in box is enough. For the new school his plus OBA of .350 seemed to seal the deal. The price was cheap enough, no quibbles here on the price.
These are the career stats of the Pod. You can hope he's all about 2010, but don't count me in that group
Besides the nice enough numbers for 2010 what do the peripherals suggest he's actually been doing. His current triple stat line is a glossy .310/.358/400 in a left handed Jamey Carroll sort of way. Dig a little deeper and we see a 35% hit rate which is 3% higher then his career norm of 32%. What does that mean? It means our Pod has been lucky and his actual (expected batting average) is really around .260. Baseball HQ recently took a look at the Pod on July 13th:
Latest Player Analysis : 7/13/2010 - The 2010 Forecaster had this to say about Scott Podsednik (LF, KC): "Age, health, opportunity questions conspire to make a repeat [of 2009] improbable." Last year, Podsednik had a .304 BA and 30 SB with the Tigers. This year, Podsednik has a .301 BA and 25 SB with the Royals -- and there are still two-and-a-half months left in the season. Was the Forecaster wrong? Podsednik has stayed healthy and received full-time AB, two things that seemed improbable. But his impressive 2010 owes much to good luck. Podsednik is riding a 35% h%, four points higher than his three year average. In addition, Podsednik's never strong power has sunk to a new low: he has a 39 PX, seventh worst among all batters with at least 200 AB. Taken together, the inflated h% and utter lack of power make it no surprise that Podsednik's .248 xBA is more than 50 points worse than his actual BA. In other words, his .301 BA is a FLUKE. -- Randall
So basically back on July 13th, the baseball HQ analyst expected our POD to start to normalize, and realize a fairly large drop in his batting average, which of course would then send his glossy OBA back to the more Pierre levels of .320 - .330. The man has a 6-7% walk rate, so his whole OBA is just about all batting average.
Now you can throw out all of what he has done up to the point he has joined the Dodgers because he has just joined a new league, in a much different pitching environment. He is leaving two of the best offensive environments in baseball for the pitching rich NL West. He doesn't have to do much to be better then what Xavier Paul gave us the last two weeks but I'd temper those expectations if anyone thinks they are going to get some kind of savior.
In the end what the Pod does or doesn't do doesn't really matter. Unless Andre, Kemp, Blake, and Martin start to hit, this team is going nowhere fast. The blame for the offensive decline should not have rested on the failure of Xavier Paul, but on the failure of the big hitters to produce when Manny went down. The Pod is just a band aid but unless they staunch the bleeding of our big bats, this offense will bleed out.
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Good post Phil
and I don’t expect Pods to be anything more than stability in the outfield. I hope he can continue to hit.
Still think one of Mitchell, Gibbons, or Lindsey should get a shot.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 8:17 AM PDT reply actions
Lindsey!
If anyone should have gotten a shot in LF it should have been him.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
He’s got 6 games in the outfield, that’s enough experience to take over in LF for manny ramirez :)
Seriously, I could give a crap about his defense if he hits for a line of .260/.340/.450
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I think Mitchell has that right as well. As does Hoffman, Gibbons, and the Aussie.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Lindsey’s projection for this year: .239/.296/.391.
This is from a computer without any kind of scouting information.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
no one talks about brave men
and their proud simulators
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric posted MLB lines for some minor league players a few days ago
and it had Lindsey’s MLB equivalent slugging percentage as .477
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
There’s a reason the guy’s in AAA. The Dodgers know the dude is raking, they probably have a good reason to keep him there.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers are also giving GA at bat after at bat when they can clearly see that he is useless…so I’m thinking maybe our front office doesn’t exactly know what is really best (not saying I do, but come on, GA…).
What hurt can come from giving Lindsey a try in the MLB? At worst he puts up a Garrett Anderson line or a Xavier Paul line…there’s no actual downside (unless he’s not on the 40 man roster, which he may not be, so there is SOME reason for it at least).
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
There’s no downside, but given the Mitch Jones experience, there’s no upside either.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
that's the thing
there’s a chance that the AAA guys could do better than the current bench, but they probably won’t do worse.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Since you’d have to drop an infielder (Belliard) yeah, you could do worse. If he puts up his projected line that’s basically Belliard without the defense.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
But why not try one of these guys? Wasn’t Casey Blake thought to be AAAA player before he finally got an opportunity? Maybe we shouldn’t be so quick to write someone off just because they yet been given an opportunity.
Casey Blake was 27, Lindsey is 32 and had a terrible year last year when he wasn’t playing in a launching pad.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm advocating Russ Mitchell honestly
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, Blake was 29 before he got a real opportunity, before that he was thought of as a fringe major leaguer. I can see the argument against Lindsey, we don’t really have a place to play him, but Mitchell should be under heavy consideration. Heck, his play this season, has me wanting to see him take Blake’s spot next season or at the very least Belliard’s.
He should take Belliards next year
as long as Carroll is still here. The thing I like about Mitchell is that he’s not repeating AAA and doing this damage. He’s been coming on since last fall, they must have done something with him because this guy is a 180 from the guy who was in AA last year.
I doubt if he’s a major league 3rd baseman but then again major league 3rd baseman are no big deal these days so maybe he is.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok, but he's doing the best he's ever done this year
regardless of the stadium and league he’s playing in. The worst that can happen is that he gets brought up for 3 or 4 weeks, does most likely slightly better than Garrett Anderson, then he gets sent down to AAA or DFA’d…big deal.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I'll give Lindsey this
He’s been a ~20% K guy almost always in the minors and he’s down to ~13% this year.
What I remember hearing is that he’s a stone glove at 1B and really slow.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Because one guy was given a quasi chance and didn’t do great that makes it dumb to ever give someone like that a chance again? Really?
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
If you want to put it that way and ignore everything else. Yes.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not ignoring everything else
You are just dismissing everything.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Okay, so let’s say GA goes when Reed or Manny comes back, so you DFA Belliard to make room for Lindsey.
You’re down to Jamey Carroll as your backup for your entire infield except Loney at this point. This is a problem when Blake badly needs days off and DeWitt has largely been platooned.
If Lindsey sucks like most 33 year old minor leaguers would, you DFA him and then are left with Juan Castro as your backup guy. There’s your downside to calling up John Lindsey.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
that's what I'm saying
Mitchell makes more sense. Reg and Ivy just got into an argument about Lindsey.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
So then why not just cut out the screwing around with Lindsey and use Mitchell?
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Only Ivdown
is on the Lindsey bandwagon, but I think the Mitchell bandwagon is starting to grow.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I've been on that bandwagon
For 2 of the last 3 years. If the Dodgers didn’t constantly have a shitty bench it wouldn’t be something I would care so much about.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Where did Belliard go in this scenerio? He sucks ass, but he would still be on the team. Basically I’d like Lindsey up if GA is still on the team, so he could take his spot, or if Manny is still hurt, so there would be that spot open on the bench for him. If Manny is back and healthy, Lindsey would not be necessary, even though I still see him as an upgrade off the bench (though I know now he can only play 1B, so it wouldn’t be a good option).
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
There is also something to be said for a guy swinging a hot bat, and Lindsey has been hot pretty much all season. Heck he was 4-4 with a HR last night. I get that people don’t think much of him, but for a team that is swinging some feeble bats, it couldn’t hurt to see what he’s got.
But what do you do with him
sit him on the bench as a pinch hitter. Not exactly a good way to use a hot hitter.
For those on the Lindsey bandwagon, just remember Mitch Jones. I do hope Lindsey some day gets a shot but it has to be an AL team not the Dodgers. We have no place for a guy who can only play 1st base.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
what about us
on the Russ Mitchell bandwagon?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Make room
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t Jones have a terrible K rate though? Lindsey doesn’t seem to be that bad with the Ks. Yeah, there is no where to play him other than giving Loney a day off, too bad he can’t play a little 3rd, then you have your Belliard replacement unit.
we have all that
in Mitchell
don’t know about his k rates though.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
That was long enough for us to see the giant hole in his swing though.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
20 at bats is nowhere close to a good enough sample size
I’m not saying Jones would have been great had he gotten 100 at bats, I’m just 20 at bats from the bench and a couple of starts doesn’t mean all that much.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Statisically
that’s a small sample size, but scouting-wise, could be enough.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Um yeah he's not an outfielder and isn't even a very good firstbaseman... alas.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
neither is Belliard
still, Lindsey is hitting, and we can take some mediocre play at first on those tough lefty days.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Right, I'd be willing to try Lindsey at first
and as a PH. My point was that he’s not an outfield option at all.
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yeah
that was my point to Ivy, but yeah, I’m for giving him or Mitchell a shot.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I like the Mitchell idea more than Lindsey.
Give him a shot! Other teams give guys like that a shot and they sometimes pay off. Oh well, maybe in September…
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look at Denorfria for the Padres
he’s been pretty damn good for the time he’s been up.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Denorfria was just clinically hurt. The A’s did trade for the guy after he was already done for the year once.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
and (gack, hurts to say)
frickin’ Andre Torres!
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He bought P39X
it’s only 43% as effective and P90X, but the price was right.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
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Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Casey Blake should be taking a large portion of the blame. He looks almost too tired to swing a bat up there.
The guy is old for a baseball player.
He’s giving you all he’s got.
That’s it.
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
you can’t blame Blake. He is what he is. The real question is, is Kemp what he is? Or Andre?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
i just think Blake needs more days off then he’s been getting. (Russ Mitchell)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Colletti deserves some of the blame here, he didn’t have a contingency plan for Blake if he couldn’t hit and got too old.
He had Belliard
But he didn’t have a contingency plan if Belliard couldn’t hit and got too old.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Carroll was pegged at playing a lot of third. DeWitt too if DeJesus would come around. Pittusburgh might deal that LaRoche kid.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
You see spare 3rd baseman just lying around
that he could have gobbled up? Last I looked several teams in the pennant races were looking for 3rd baseman. It is not exactly a position with a glut of good players right now.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Well, Adrian Beltre was a FA last year too but we weren’ts pending $10mil on that cat.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
That, and I don’t think people really expected Blake to struggle this much. Offensively and defensively.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Cantu is not better than Blake, Wigginton is probably not better than Blake, and I doubt that Gordon is available, and while potentially better than Blake he is not now.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Gordon been left in AAA and trying to learn LF.
Not a guy who fits into the plans of a team if you’re trying to convert your 3B into a LF.
Not exactly the kind of guy who would be an upgrade to Casey Blake either. Long term, probably. This year, not likely.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
… Kemp what he is? or Andre? …
yes, we see how they perform without the backup of the big bat of Manny.
The pitchers approach them in a different way, they see a different assortment of pitches,
because there is not as big a threat looming to drive them in if they get on.
The Dodgers get another big bat, or two, and maybe Kemp and Andre get more productive again?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
To me, the real question about the new Pod is whether he’s the Opening Day 2011 left fielder. I easily can imagine both sides agreeing to something not far above that $2 mill option.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 8:23 AM PDT reply actions
I believe that to be an increasingly likely option as well
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
If we look like we’re out of it sometime in the next 15 games, do we limit Pods at bats so he can’t opt out for next year?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Possibly, but we would have to be really bad over the next 15 games to be out of it
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I would think we would garner some sort of greivance if we didn’t give him 90 at bats over 62 games, no?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
he’s had a nice enough 2 years in a row, I assumed someone like the Nationals would want to give him a look.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Each year that passes
is probably causing more teams to wonder if his renaissance can keep up with his age.
If he thinks he can get more than $2 million, or better yet, a multi-year deal, sure.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I figure, Jamey Carrol got 3.85/2, Scott Pod should be able to match that.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I can't see him getting more than a 2-year deal anywhere.
Though maybe 2 years is what he’s shooting for.
He turned one resurgent year into one year, $1.85m guaranteed plus an option, so I don’t doubt he could turn a better season (and now his second good year in a row) into a better deal.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I find it odd that Jose Reyes is being paid $11mil next year to be Scott Podsednik with 10 more homers. Course, no one could have predicted Jose Reyes battling nagging injuries like this.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
If Podsednik could play SS, “with 10 more homers,” I’d pay him $11 million, too.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Raffy was great on D as well. I figured Jose Reyes was ok but nothing special with the leather but when I looked it up it looked like his career year in 2006 and good year in 2007 were career years with the glove as well. Like I said above, it seems like injuries have slowed him down.
Jose reyes is a good player, don’t get me wrong. I was more amazed at the dollar value between the two.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
If that does happen then I will share Hummu'a outlook on 2011.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
embrace the new reality
only a new owner can save us now
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I can see that happening, too.
In any event I think it’s almost a sure thing that he’ll at least be on the roster. Being the starting LF is another thing.
For 4Down
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Or you can create your own, like so:
… better than what Xavier Paul gave us …
Hopefully, Pods will provide more predictable results on defense.
will Paul in his career:
Play in 977 Games?
Have 3,969 Plate appearances?
Have 997 Hits?
This is Pods to date.
This is what Ned and Joe like.
LF was the only spot to upgrade
You can’t blame Ned for making this deal.
Pimental a long way away from contributing in LA.
May isn’t gonna be on our roster as he’s out of options next year and besides can’t catch.
Look at the team. Where can you upgrade the offense?
We are locked in everywhere but LF.
Pods adds a starting LF for now. No dig at Paul or Paul/Carroll, but the combo is league average at best. No spark there. Maybe Pods gives us a spark on O and then spot starts with Manny back while giving us super speed on the bench.
by megaballs on Jul 29, 2010 8:30 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I have no problem with the trade
but as I said, I don’t think it matters what he does if the real hitters don’t step up.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Agreed 100%
The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 29, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice post
I wholeheartedly agree with this
In the end what the Pod does or doesn’t do doesn’t really matter. Unless Andre, Kemp, Blake, and Martin start to hit, this team is going nowhere fast.
I believe acquiring Pod was a total waste, but its not that upsetting given what we gave up, and there could be a worse opening day LF in 2011 at $2mm in a worst case scenario.
If he was ever going to play and start in the majors, he needed to have this rise. Next year will be his 4th year in the minors and organization.
won’t he only be 23 next year?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Totally agree, I’m just saying that if he waits a year and develops a bit more without the stress of being the next big Dodger thing, it’s no setback for him to come up at 24 instead of 23.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I do not agree.
His mega rise has been extra ordinary and anyone who has hit at AA at the level of his production at his age has seen the major leagues the following year. I’m’ going to say that without even researching it, that is how confident I am in the statement.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Sands time has come, and the price is right.
What’s Billy Ashley up to these days anyway?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Besides the fact that he may not be ready
the other question is who we’ll acquire in the offseason as our LF. If we keep Podsednik (or rather if he stays) then it would be easy to bring up Sands if he continues to tear the cover off the ball.
But what if we acquire a quality LF in the offseason?
We are trying to be realisitic.
Matt Joyce has a better chance of being a Dodger then Crawford.
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that's not what he said
he said there were no quality OF except Werth being FA. I don’t think either of them are Dodgers next year. It will probably be a place holder until Sands is ready.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Then we will trade him
but Sands will be playing in the major leagues in 2011.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Domonic Brown had a fun debut last night.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 29, 2010 8:39 AM PDT reply actions
Speaking of Phillies last night
Another stellar start from Halladay. Although at 12-8 with a 2.21 ERA and very similar peripherals he is producing much along the lines of his norm the last few years.
I find it amusing how all of the AL East homers were saying this time last year how if Halladay was traded to an NL team, he would absolutely destroy the league, win 30 games, post a sub-2 ERA, etc..
I don't think I saw anyone say he'd have a sub 2.00 EA
but 2.21 is pretty damn close and I did see many 25 win projections but he can’t control the wins.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
true
he didn’t know his team would have about a month long offensive lull, with many of the best players getting hurt.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Jerry DiPoto disagrees. Wins are kewl.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I saw a ton of comments on relatively informed blogs from Jays, Yankees, Red Sox fans claiming he would certainly be a sub 2 ERA. I think I even read that from some of the “analysts” on ESPN/NBC etc. (I’m not going to go look for a link though)
All I’m saying is he’s not the greatest thing since sliced bread and there are other pitchers (Josh Johnson for example) having better years. I’m tired of the AL Bias I guess.
Okay. I'm with you on the AL bias.
Though I would still take Halladay over just about any pitcher is baseball.
Okay
but as others have said I would not be quibbling with a 2.21 ERA.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
are they gonna start selling ‘podsednikwood’ tshirts on the internet soon?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 29, 2010 8:40 AM PDT reply actions
Oswalt update
Per Jayson Stark:
The Astros offered to pay $12 million of money remaining on Oswalt’s contract through next year, according to a source. In return, the Astros would get back left-handed starter J.A. Happ and two prospects, according to sources.
From Phillies beat writer Todd Zolecki:
Ball remains in Roy Oswalt’s court. Keep hearing Happ and Class A prospect Jonathan Singleton are in the deal.
So, crap players, no option (as of yet at least, could still happen), and the Astros pay $12 of the $23 million. Grrrrrr…..
Phillies goals in making a trade
1.Improve team
2. Troll the Dodgers.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
seems that way
they keep getting the pitchers we want
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
i laughed a this
quite hard
in my head
I’m at work
I’m polite
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
do you even have one?
i only ask because I do.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
you're shocked?
I’ve told you, mine is an evil laugh
MWA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
This is awful
Somewhere there is an even more evil version of me; I try my best, damnit!
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Is it covered in nutter butter?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
i wish
that shit’s delicious
(btw, i’m sure your referencing something, but it was lost on me, apologies.)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
No Jon Stewart fans here?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
i like him
but I haven’t really watched the Daily show in a while
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
We watch the 7-8 block
which is the previous nights 11-12 block. Probably the only can’t miss TV we have.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
The popular rumor for this deal is that the Phils get Oswalt (along with some cash), while the Astros would get in return J.A. Happ and prospects Matt Rizzotti and Vance Worley.
SB Nation: Waiting On Roy Oswalt In Phillies-Astros Trade, And Examining Rizzotti And Worley
Didn't they compare Singleton to Manny?
We seem to have the same thing in Akins. True, we don’t have a Happ 2008, but Ely + McDonald has to be better than Happ 2010 right?
Granted its all speculation at this point, but it sounds like we could have done exactly what the Phillies are said to be giving up. I like the word you used to describe all this: frustrating.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
If that trade somes through like that it tells me two things
1. Ned really does not want to trade our good prospects
2. We simply can’t make the payroll work no matter how much the Astro’s are eating
Which one do you think it is, because it would seem we could easily beat this deal
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It's gotta be #2.
I bet the Astros are eating up a lot, if not all of Oswalt’s remaining money for this season, then Oswalt is requiring the Phillies to pick up his option for next season. I just don’t see Frnak signing off on that.
If it’s #1, then I am glad. I share the same concerns over Oswalt that you do, Phil.
If it’s #2, then I am sad.
C’mon Roy, say no to the Phillies.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
With the potential prospects being leaked, they’ve lost a big chunk of negotiating power. If they had been lying to Ned and Co. about who Philly was giving up to drive to drive up the price, they’ve now blown that angle. With Ned hearing Happ, Singleton, Worley and Rizzotti, he has to be thinking/calling with Ely, Akins, McDonald and whoever our comparable to Rizzotti is.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I still think it’s #3—we can’t supply a major leaguer who’s ready to play tonight. Even if Happ is Happ, he’s better than Ely or McDonald.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm with LBB
Teams value the “proven major leaguer” and the kind we can provide are too good to consider in such a trade without creating another hole.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah the problem is we don't have the ML ready young pitcher
that the team can give up in exchange for Oswalt. They’re not going to trade Kershaw or Bills and Ely or McDonald aren’t as good as Happ at least. Dodgers have plenty of fine prospects to offer but Astros want a young pitcher who can step right in. So the Phillies offer still seems rather shitty to me, but understand why Dodgers aren’t in on that.
Still, youd think someone out there could out do that offer..
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I don’t understand why the Yankees didn’t offer Joba and 3 prospects. Is an average setup guy really worth that much?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I think its more than that. I think its Wade valuing Phillies prospects more than he should over other teams prospects due to his history with the team.
J.A. Happ for instance was drafted in 2004 when Wade was a GM.
And for whatever reason, Wade is really high on Singleton, as Jesse linked below.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if what we offered wasn't better
but Wade can’t pass up such a “proven” player as Happ.
The one thing we all knew going in was that Wade and McClain would find a way to screw this up. I said that weeks ago. Wade makes Ned look like Branch Rickey.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Per MLBtraderumors.com
10:17am: The identities of the other two players going to the Astros remain unknown, but ESPN’s Jayson Stark says they’ve pushed hard for minor league first baseman Jonathan Singleton. Stark has an unconfirmed rumor that the Astros offered to pay $12MM to the Phillies in the deal.
Why does every team hate the Dodgers
and give the Phillies less than the Dodgers would likely offer? IT’S MADDENING!
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
It's his facial expression.
The same one he has on his face after eating turducken, incidentally.
I really don't see how Pod can be a full time option in 2011
given the lack of power the rest of the team has.
Loney, DeWitt, Martin, and now Blake all have below average power for their position. Extremely so in the case of Loney and DeWitt, and maybe extremely so in the case of Blake by 2011. Can you really throw out a LF who also has zero power for his position?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I said this exact same thing yesterday. Couldn't agree more.
The only other spot (barring big trade) to upgrade power in our lineup is 2B and power-hitting 2B don’t grow on trees.
Only in Arizona
to be given away for free to Florida.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Angels to become sellers?
Bobby Abreu in LF would be cool, no? He’d be like how we use GA now except, you know, good at baseball.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/angels-could-become-sellers.html
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
All I know is I will be rooting for My Pod!
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On LF in 2011
The history of bringing up guys, Kemp, Ethier, DeWitt, etc is to not give them a job in the bigs but mildly block them and make them take the job.
Pods or Paul/Sands in 2011 fits that scenario.
Okay so while we all might not agree with Houston we now need to look to the future and what should Ned do and who should he get to help out with the pitching? I still like Edwin Jackson better than Ted Lilly.
Me too, but the signs are starting to point to Wrigley.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
or Coors Field, rather, where Maholm starts at noon
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
What are the chances that Maholm is traded and what would it take to get him? And, is he signed for next year?
High; probably slightly higher than we will like; yes
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
If Paul Maholm were a Dodger
He would be our Joe Saunders, except more expensive and less team control.
$5.75 million, but $9.75 million option for 2012 ($750k buyout)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
What would he have to do next year for the $9.75mil to become reasonable? Find some investors?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Hold Kershaw for ransom, or else provide Frank with photos of Jamie snogging with Mel Gibson.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Considering Ned already traded E.Jax for crap
I find it hard to believe he would go back after him.
He’s a veteran now, with an “I threw a no-hitter” ring in a box.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Can't wait to see what Dave cameron has to say about our trade
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-scott-podsednik-trade-las-perspective/
Just posted. i’ve yet to read it.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Holy crap he almost made a compliment about the Dodgers.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
- Dave Cameron thinks the deal is okay.
- Dave Cameron thinks the divorce is hamstringing the Dodgers from being in the bigger trades. (Oswalt, Haren, etc.)
- Dave Cameron thinks if Pods can at least bench GA, its worth it.
- Dave Cameron loves Top Ramen.
Right. Nothing earth shattering. I figured it would be more than a 2-minute writeup. It’s not like there are more important trades happening or anything.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
He never comments on Dodger blogs any more but comments there
I feel hurt!
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Maybe I was in a minority, but I’ve always liked the guy.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess you don't recall
Phil basically telling him to peddle his papers elsewhere.
Actually I believe he took a similar break last year around this time.
And only if you had years of experience with him DT (like Phil, Eric, Nate and myself) would you understand our sentiments.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 29, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't have a problem with him at first
but his act wears really thin over time.
OTOH, I believe underdog actually met the guy.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
yup, i did, with DT commenter "Icaros"
perfectly pleasant in person…
(right D4P? If you’re reading this)
But I know why people were irritated with online persona.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
still fighting off crazy drunken girls
that the rest of us would have killed for.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
sick burn
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
exactly
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
tee hee for you both
Dunno what he’s up to these days, haven’t talked for awhile. His FB is fairly quiet.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I'm perfectly pleasant in person
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
But you’re not “guy I want to stab in the eye” online
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I can be that guy:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
this is true
you also have cool hats
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Back on the old DT/Toaster, he was one of the few posters awake in the east coast morning when I was usually online in the office, so we had several conversations over a year or so about the academic life and other non-baseball subjects. I always enjoyed them.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I liked him up until the day Depo was fired
and then he became an irritant to me.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Not looking good for Dodger fans wanting to see Strasburg
From Ben Goessling of MASN:
What appeared likely all morning is now official: The Nationals placed Stephen Strasburg on the 15-day disabled list with shoulder inflammation this morning after scratching him from his start on Tuesday night. The move is retroactive to July 22, the day after Strasburg’s last start, so he is able to come off the DL on Aug. 7. He will make the team’s trip to the West Coast next week, and could return in the series against the Dodgers, though it sounded unlikely that Strasburg would come back that soon.
OT: One thing Soccer does well I think, is the loan system.
Obviously you can’t do it in MLB or other pro sports outside of Soccer, but imagine teams being able to acquire loan players in the middle of the season and then returning them after the season is over, and the only thing being exchanged is a loan fee.
I said this a couple days ago and it just wasn’t fathomable to people. I like the concept of a potential contender renting Felix Hernandez for the playoff push then Seattle getting him back for next year.
There are obvious hurdles for that, like if the loaning team burns out your pitcher or puts your position player in a position to hurt themselves what would the compensation be, but overall it could work.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I could just hear Frank now.
“You mean I don’t even have to win games and I could still make money?!”
“Ok, Andre. In April you’ll be a Dodger, in May a Yankee, in June a Dodger, in July and August a Red Sox, and in September a Twin”.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
In your league and out of your league, but there is a unofficial rule that the loaned out player does not play against the team that owns him in case they do play each other. I think the purpose would be the other way around. LA would loan out James Mac to AZ, BAL, SEA etc. to get him innings to see if he really can work it out and pitch.
@soyboquense
Simers already giving Lane a hard time even when interviews haven’t started
by Julio Nievas on Jul 29, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s awesome. Simers can be annoying at times, but anyone who makes Kiffin’s life more difficult is a hero in my book.
He was in the SEC such a short time, yet we all grew to revile him so.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Then Lane must be your #1 hero because everything he does stirs up negative press (well deserved) about him.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 29, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Maddz needs to be taking notes.
Step 1: hate Lane Kiffin…check.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I think I can do that.
This is going to get me banned, but I’m not a USC fan, either. So I double hate him!
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
As a UCLA guy
I will unban you if that happens / when Eric does it.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
You USC haters really, really need to get a life.
If your own school can’t stand up and do something, I guess the only option is to bash the best school in town.
by KellyStephen on Jul 29, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Hater?
Did I say anything other than I’d unban Maddz? I don’t have time or energy to waste on hating anything.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Ok, so Rosenthal and Morosi are the ones who said this, but three days ago they reported that Oswalt doesn’t want to play for the Phillies. Either 1) Their “source” isn’t reliable or 2) this trade is going to be rejected. I’m hoping for #2, but because it’s them who reported it, I have to believe it’s #1.
From July 26:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/roy-oswalt-deal-looking-unlikely-72610
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
only hitters and advertisers like CBP.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Not that we had the prospects or the money
but it would have been amazing to get Halladay and Oswalt along with having Kershaw and Billz.
Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels…pretty dirty
I say we bring Sandy out of retirement so past Kid K and present Kid K can go 1-2 in the playoffs.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Is there anyone on the Angels
we could get or want?
(if you’re gonna be snarky, then include a real answer too. Let’s Hollywood Squares this biatch)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions
I said Abreu earlier, but he’s under contract for $9mil next year with a $9mil vesting option for 2012..no thanks.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I could see Joe pushing for matsui to take the role of GA. I realize we have Pods now, but I’d think he would be pushed to pinch runner/LF D-replacement status and let Matsui be the bat off bench.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I definitely would not want
to overpay for Fuentes.
Most likely to be available: Fuentes, Abreu, Matsui
Fuentes would cost too much, and Abreu and Matsui don’t seem any better then what we already got.
Dan Haren!
Juan Rivera COULD be an alright player, though his OBP is really bad and he’s not hitting for a ton of power right now.
Why wouldn’t we have gotten Luke Scott?
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
If you thought giving up Eli Pimentel was bad, we might have had to give up one of our 15 best prospects for Scott.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you seen how Scott is actually doing?
I’d give up Martin/Miller/Webster plus a couple of low prospects for him.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
a + .900 OPS LF when we desperately need power and a LF (or did before Pods), not exactly average for a LF.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
You drop his BABIP 30 points to his career norms and he looks a hell of a lot more average.
You’re taking 300 PA as way more important than a career of mediocrity.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
His career line is .267/.350/.505, which is just as good as Ethier in his career and better than Kemp. Sounds like you just don’t like Scott, which doesn’t make all that much sense to me.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I have no problem with Scott, he’s an average player getting paid and average salary.
I have a problem with actually giving things up to get Scott. With our budget as it is, getting Luke Scott and the seven millionish coming to him in 2011 puts an end to anything we can do. If getting Luke Scott means losing a decent prospect and sticking us with Jon Ely third starter, no, I don’t want him.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
That he’s 32 and average, which leads to us paying a guy that’s 33 and less than average 17 million over the next two years.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
A thought
Do you think there’s any chance Oswalt (or more likely his agent) went to Wade and said there was no way he’d approve a trade to the Dodgers? He is definitely not an “L.A. Guy.”
I gotta think the LA attitude is closer to a southern attitude than the Northeast attitude is.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Nah, we’re the wacky West Coast. We do things like wear nice clothes and exercise.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
especially
a chance to put down the Dodgers.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
From ESPN Rumors
UPDATE III: Roy Oswalt plans to accept his proposed trade to the Phillies, a baseball source who has spoken with Oswalt’s camp told ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark Thursday.
Oswalt hasn?t officially waived his no-trade clause to OK the deal, the source said. But after considering his options and speaking with friends familiar with the Phillies? situation, the source said he?s prepared to go to Philadelphia.
It was not immediately clear if the Phillies or Astros offered any financial incentives for Oswalt to drop his trade-veto rights. The Astros will pay $11 million of the approximately $23 million that the 32-year-old right-hander has guaranteed through 2011, sources said.
Probably has to file paperwork with the commissioner’s office.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Pretty disheartening. I knew our chances weren’t good, but to continually see the Phillies make these deals is really kinda hard to take.
they’re trolling us dude, just like I said.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
It's got to be the Ed Wade connection, too, imho
Never mind the Dodgers, I can’t imagine there weren’t other teams in the mix who could’ve offered at least what the Phillies offered.
Though I’m not that familiar with most of the prospects mentioned — anyone have reports on them, grades etc?
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So prorated
The Phills get Oswalt for 8.35mm next season. Must feel good to be a Phanatic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY84MRnxVzo
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Strasburg to the DL
What are the chances that the Nationals just shut him down for the remainder of the year? Besides ticket sales, what good is there in pitching the guy with a shoulder injury under his belt in his first year and the team so far out of contention?
For just about anyone else, I’d say “what else is there besides ticket sales!”, but the Nats owner seems to be filthy rich and not mind spending on his team, so I think they’ll do the right thing and make the right baseball decision.yes, there was nothing to be gained by him by pitching anymore minor league innings, but you kind of have to wonder if he would have been better served spending the first year in a low-key environment.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Why has everyone missed the obvious trade?
I read through every comment knowing that it would be there. But it wasn’t. Bring back Garland! He is pitching better than these other stiffs. I wonder if we would have to give up two top prospects to get him.
first place teams
don’t trade away pitchers
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
first place teams rarely trade away #3 starters.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Five or Seven
games out of first place is where the Dodgers will be after tonight’s game. Last nights loss dropped our odds of winning the NL West from 24.4% to 18.8%, the lowest odds we’ve had since I’ve began tracking over the past two weeks or so. Big game tonight!
vr, Xei
I don't understadn the affinity with JA Happ
he’s not very good! Singleton is a good prospect but come on! This is absurd. Ned needs to be better buddy buddy with these stupid gms.
Phillies trade Cliff Lee away
then trade for Roy Oswalt. I haven’t run the numbers to see which way they’d be better off, but just seems kind of ironic that they traded away Cliff Lee but ended up trading for Roy Oswalt.
which leads to my question
if they hadn’t traded Lee, what is the more likely outcome
Oswalt stays in Houston or Oswalt goes to the Dodgers?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Lee not being traded by Phillies would've caused a whole different environment.
Who’s to say that if Lee stayed with the Phillies that Oswalt wouldn’t have gone to Texas?
Just catching up on the thread
I agree entirely with Phil: don’t mind the trade, but it’s pointless if the core doesn’t start hitting better.
After reading through the thread, I’m quite ambivalent about the chances that Podsednik would be the starting LF in 2011. Of course, it would be a disaster, for all the reasons Phil outlines — the Dodgers need a power hitter there. But like (I think) Jesse S and others pointed out, he would be cheap enough that if Sands is ready by mid-year, the Dodgers would not hesitate to pull the trigger, bring him up, and make Pod a sub. So I don’t know… do you get somebody who you actually think will help the team in 2011? Or do you get a nice bench guy cheap enough and make it clear that he’s the bridge to the future? What are the chances that Sands will be ready by June/July?
I will add this: someone suggested going after Abreu. He’s one of my favorite players — I think he’s a superstar, and I’d put him in the HOF when his time comes. Obviously, he’s past his prime, but still, I’d love to watch him play for the Dodgers.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
well
What are the chances that Sands will be ready by June/July?
Well…if he keeps mashing, chances are very good. AA was his real test and he’s still hitting homeruns, walking a ton, and so far, keeping his K rate steady.
unless
he just dazzles at ST. I bet he gets an invite.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Does starting him at AAA in PCL
help him much more than AA?
more veteran pitchers
that throw him more major league style breaking pitches that he’ll need to learn to hit.
I'm surprised
no one brought up Napoli as a target.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Would the Angels trade Napoli?
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 29, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Sciosia
seems to prefer Mathis anyway
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s because Mathis IS Scioscia.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Not even and that is almost bannable
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind that
but Conger, their top catching prospect might not stay at catcher because of his shoulder.
Napoli would be a HUGE upgrade offensively. I would love for him to be our catcher.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
and that's the thing
if we got him, people would want to replace martin with him. I still like Martin, though I may be the only one.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m still puzzled why Tripon thought Philadelphia would have to give up Dom Brown. When was the last time the BEST prospect in baseball was traded mid-season?
Because they don’t have anyone else near high end in that damn system.
Who could predict that Wade would love to acquire J.A. Happ for instance?
I think everyone but you felt
they could get Oswalt without giving up Dominic Brown for the simple reason the Phillies would not do that.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
You have to look at the return. Oswalt is an aging (albeit great) pitcher. It’s not like they were trying to get Evan Longoria or Josh Johnson.
by silverwidow on Jul 29, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it just kind of stood to reason that if they asked us for Kemp then Loney that the Phillies would be asked for equally high talent.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Another kicker
apparently Oswalt’s option won’t be excerised, he’ll be compensated some how.
I need a drink.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions
make it a double
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Right here
and there’s always plenty of gin to go around at my place.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 29, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like Cantu may be a Ranger
I kind of think he’s not all that good and yet am glad the Giants aren’t getting him for some reason.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Not that I like to disagree with Eric
but he mentioned in the previous thread that we should know in 10-15 days where we stand. It could be much sooner then that if we get swept by the Giants and given hot their offense is, and how anemic ours is, it could happen, and if it does, we are done.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
What I said is that we would have to be really bad in the next 10-15 games to be done. Getting swept by the Giants qualifies.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
but we’d only have to be really bad for five games to meet that criteria.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
With one game down.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking something like 4-11 or so.
But I could be talked into the season being over out of a playoff spot by six games by Sunday night.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
quitter
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Good kindergarten teachers
proofread their work. ;-)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
In LAUSD (and most districts, I believe)
High school teachers make the same salary as elementary and middle school teachers. Of course, if you only teach half-day kindergarten, you make less…
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/29072010/58/world-cup-2010-north-korean-flops-shamed-public.html
North Korean Soccer team punished for sucking.
Most hideous Dodger shirt ever?
I am certain Eric will not approve.
Linked from Vin Scully is My Homeboy.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I’d rather hire Ed Wade to generally manage me than wear that shit!
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather hire Ed Wade to general manage than see you wearing that shirt!
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I can see Ed Wade wearing that shirt.
He’s crazy enough.
It’s clearly a “wedding at a bowling alley” shirt
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Which are still ugly
I would not wear any of it
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Glad this turned green.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
True story
My friend was a pin jockey once at a bowling alley in Palm Springs when we were in high school. He would do various things at the local lanes, but I happened to be there one day when he was working and someone had a wedding at the bowling alley. I couldn’t believe it.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I could see that happening
my older brothers were all bowling alley people, and if they had met a girl from the alley I could see it. My first ever job was keeping score of bowling leagues when I was 14. Bowling Alleys have lifers like you wouldn’t believe.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t bowled (aside from Wii) in a couple of years. I love it.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
TBLA Bowling Night (in the offseason?) ?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
If we do it around the holidays
Maddz might be back in town. If she doesn’t already bowl, she will after having lived in TN for a few months.
Maybe James Loney would make an appearance. :)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we could get Lance Berkman or Prince Fielder to :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah!
I love bowling, I’d really like to join a league, but I’ve never been able to do that as of yet.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
That kind of looks the Dodgers' version
of the tuxedo t-shirt.
It would be more hideous if the stripes were horizontal.
But this is truly horrible.
by KellyStephen on Jul 29, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
tough decision 2010?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
this fall
we’ll be taking our East Coast Bias to south beach.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
You know why LeBron went South don’t you? It’s because his mom went West.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Because their Favre Machine is gearing up
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
All I know is that on August 5th the Hokies start summer practice to beat those boys from Boise can’t wait.
what are the odds
Dodgers make a deal today? still a lot of time before the deadline.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 AM PDT reply actions
I’ll let you know in the next 35 minutes when we find out if Maholm got scratched.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
but you could kinda say that about anyone.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
All the ex-jocks rejoice
as they try to get his gig. The auditions must a be a hoot as they vie to say the most inane things ever heard uttered.
That was probably the biggest flaw with Sports Night, they only had intelligent professionals working on the show.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
i thought i was the only fan of that show
by Greg Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone's whose opinion I listen to, loved that show
and the quirky assistant producer was the perfect pitch between cute, cuddly, intelligent, and independant. I just realized my spell checker is not working because I’m in IE. Oops, this could get bad.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
"I finally get Aaron Sorkin's Sports Night"
“It’s a comedy that’s too good to be funny!”
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
mitchell or lindsey
lindsey has no shot in the bbigs anymore 33 years old in AAA… hes all but done..
now mitchell… he still has a shot… but hes still old for AAA and hes doing it in a big time hitters league… and his line is not THAT impressive for such a hitters league
i dont get why poeple are so much on thier bandwagon
woah i just looked at his splits
DESTROYING LHP… and He rarely Ks…
BUT….
an .835 OPS away…
he is taking advantage of albequrque… just look at last year in a pitchers league he couldnt even post a .300 OBP… this is a case of promote the guy and make his stats look better cause of envirement… just like A ball to A+ ball… may be a higher level but it will improve the stats
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
He is hitting LHP to the tune of .483/.776/1.259. I fail to see how that couldn’t be useful.
He started hitting in the AFL last season, so this isn’t entirely new.
afl is filled with a bunch of A ball prospects
and its in once again the Biggest Hitting Envirement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
because
the guys on our bench aren’t getting it done, and we could conceivably upgrade. I mean seriously, if Mitchell was 2 years younger wouldn’t we all be on his bandwagon?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
so is the rest of the bench besides Carroll
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
the last time mitchell had a .800 OPS season
was when he was in the CALL LEAGUE….
3 years aGO!!
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, someone is going to have to tell me when the magic cutoff age is for being able to develop new skills or make improvements.
ok besides the age
did you read my comment on the envirements hes played in???
thats is 75 percent of the bad… age is lesser.. just 25 or so
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Environment probably plays in somewhat, but I think you are giving too much credit to the parks and not enough to the player.
no honestly
its the opposite.. you dont give enough credit to the park and you give too much to the player
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You two are at loggerheads
time to agree to disagree.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
At least a contingent of the bandwagon
is simply in favor of anyone but GA.
lol +1
but hows his arm? and what defensive position can he play? and is he even good at any of them
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Mitchell can play all four corners and possibly 2B, though 3B and 1B are probably his best spots.
i heard
all infield by shortstop, and maybe some LF.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
but the question is
how bad is he at these position…. sure he can play them.. but any good?>
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
the thing is
he doesn’t have to be awesome, he’d be a bench player.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Screw the age, if you can perform you can perform. We’re not talking about him as a prospect, we are talking about someone that, right now, would be a good option off the bench. If Manny gets back and stays healthy, his bench value plummets due to his position, but that’s fine as long as we’ve got Manny back.
You do realize that Mitchell was ok this year before this month, but has really only been great or better this month? Lindsey’s been great ALL year.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Also, maybe you should actually look at the numbers
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=439664
Yes he’s in a great hitters park this year, but he’s also hitting .375/.419/.693. If anyone wants to tell me that is entirely all his park, then I ask why every player on that team is not OPSing 1.112? Paul is the only other player with over a 1.000 OPS this year, and that was in 44 games.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
lol
10 walks…. pitchers in the mlb will eat this guy alive
Look at the Pre-Allstar break numbers
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=t342&t=p_pbp&pid=452199
.882 OPS before then, and he’s only been extremely hot since then. If he was still OPSing .880 now would anyone be lobbying for him on the team?
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
astros
what are they recieving for oswalt??
HAPP? or John Singleton? or Both?
thats a fleece then
damn singleton was their 2nd or 3rd best prospect
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
ed_price
Now have 2 people, not involved in trade, saying Phillies trading Jonathan Singleton in Oswalt deal. If so, that’s a good get for Astros.
by silverwidow on Jul 29, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Rosenthal
The players in the Oswalt deal, which is still not official: J.A. Happ, OF Anthony Gose, SS Jonathan Villan. #Phillies #Astros #MLB
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Speedy SS with no plate discipline or power. He is young, though.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 29, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
no singleton cosart or may???
thats their top 3 now that brown is up
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
F...ing ridiculous
the Phills get an “Ace” and $$$ for practically nothing. It must suck balls to be an Astros fan.
wouldn't trade it for anything
but today has sucked, but it’s not over
Woooo!!!! Not over!!!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
the phillies get aces and give em away like they are nothing
they have some under the table stuff going on where they dont have to give away top prospects for pitchers and they wont recieve them either…
yet the dodgers need to give up kemp and bills
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Media analysis of the trade: sure the Astros gave up a great starter in Roy Oswalt, but J.A. Happ is one of the best young pitchers in baseball.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
yep
and that’s why it’s a deal the ‘stros can make. A bunch of high ceiling no-names from the Dodgers doesn’t keep the average fans happy.
gose and villar
who would be the equivalent for those 2 in our system?
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Gose: .263/.325/.385 age 19 in high A
Villar: .272/.332/.358 age 19 in low A
No more Ruben Amaro jokes :(
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats just ridiculous. A package of Mcdonald, DeJesus, and random OF prospect is equivalent, if not better, than the crap the Astros are getting.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
omg please stop overrating our prospects..
JA happ has proven he can pitch in the bigs… no mental issues… albeit very lucky…
mcdonald has shown NOTHIGN….as a starter…
Gose is raw and has a high upside…
i have no clue about villan
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
JA Happ sucks donkey balls. He had an extremely lucky season and his peripherals have shown zero indication he is anything more than a #4-5 starter. The two prospects they got are ray young guys in A ball that done have patience or hit for power.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
OK
but the EQUIVLANT OF JA HAPP IS NOT MCDONALD…
wow
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Their career FIPs are nearly identical XFIPs are pretty close. I think the main point is that neither guy is anywhere close to sufficient return for Roy oswalt, especially considering they are sending money to the Phillies.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 29, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
that shows x fip and fip suck… cause mcdonald has done nothing… and happ had a Great season albeit it was lucky
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
NO
it show the “lucky” part.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Or it shows you have no concept on how the metrics work.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 29, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
but to say mcdonald is equal to happ
cause their FIPS are close… is ridiculous…
mcdonald has shown NOTHIGN
happ had a great season
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
i know happ was lucky
my point is…
happ is ten times better then mcdonald
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
and my point is he isnt, and numbers that actually matter show that is the case. Happ’s season was built on unsustainable luck numbers and JMac had a very nice year out of the pen last year. Happ is nothing more than a cost controlled #4-5 that has had a miserable year this year dealing with injuries, control issues, etc. Its a joke that hes the main guy in a trade for Roy Oswalt.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 29, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah and the astros want a guy to be a center piece for the deal
whose a middle reliever?
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
to the average fan, yes. And this is what Wade is caring about
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 29, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
He’s still setting the average fan up for huge disappointment because the Astros are going to continue to suck for years. You can’t afford to get a crappy return like that for you best trade chip.
Their rotation for the next few years is just going to be a bunch of #3 – #5 starters.
Wandy
B. Myers
B. Norris
J.A. Happ
X
Have fun with that and not an impact bat in sight.
Happ did not have a great season, but I will grant you he has accomplished more than McDonald at this point. A middle reliever isn’t worth jack in trade value, whereas a starter who has shown anything, even a 4/5 guy like Happ, is worth more.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup. All of J-Macs good work as been in the pen. I don’t know what his FIP is as a starter but with an 11/16 K/BB it’s way higher than Happ’s.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. What gets me is
less about the Dodgers, because I think they didn’t have the right ML ready pieces, as far as pitchers go, for the Astros, and weren’t going to trade Loney and Billingsley or whatever. But I still find this trade suspicious compared to what they could’ve gotten from other teams vs what they got from the Phillies. I know some of this is conjecture, but given the Wade connection it sort of bugs me.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
when mcdonald who had a horrible horrible season as a starter
can be compared to happ who was ROY …. then its a bad stat…
What is the high upside?
Another Bourne? Scotty Pods? Dude has no power or discipline. He’s just speedy…
and thats a .122 ISOP for gose at age 19
looks like he may develop some power
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
gose is very rraw
hes basically michael borne
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
According to Matt Gelb
Oswalt has accepted the deal.
From Rosenthal:
Oswalt option for ’12 actually mutual option. With trade, buyout will increase from 1M to 2M if #Phillies pick up option and Oswalt declines, becoming FA instead. Buyout will remain 2M if he simply opts out on his own.
Former 1988 Dodger Ray Searage is a coach with the Pirates.
I know this by listening to the Pirates pregame show waiting to hear if Maholm was scratched (as of now, he wasn’t).
He didn't play in 88, but did in 89 & 90
by Greg Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
only counting him because he signed as a minor league FA on April 5 that year.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Phillies get Roy Oswalt, Dodgers get... Scott Podsednik
by dodgerpreacher on Jul 29, 2010 11:55 AM PDT reply actions
phillies
is there still a GOOD chance they make the playoffs? it looked like they were out of it…
but now halladay oswalt and hamels wow
imagine lee halladay and hamels the whole year though
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
35% chance to make playoffs per Baseball Prospectus, FWIW
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
they are right in the wild card hunt
I’d say there odds were better than ours, and they just got a hell of a lot better
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
You might think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd9HtAg312A
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea but instead
it will be A. Miller and Trayvon (Sorry for the pessimism, trying to prepare myself)
no reason for that
if we get lilly… It WILL be for a package like that
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
From Rosenthal:
Deal is done.
No doubt talking about Lilly to the Dodgers :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
MythTV
Nolander, you were right on about the headache of trying to install and use that thing on Ubuntu. I think I am going to delete the dual boot I made of Ubuntu and just install Mythubuntu to see if that customized install works well.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 29, 2010 12:10 PM PDT reply actions
Phillies fans are getting spoiled
Trades for Lee, Halladay and now Oswalt all within a year.
and if they don't win a WS this year after not winning it last year
I will at least be able to laugh at them a bit…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Wade and McClain celebrate the big deal
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Okay
What I don’t understand is how Matt Kemp and James Loney, 2 players who have been regulars on two consecutive NLCS appearing teams are even rumored to be part of the asking price for Roy Oswalt when ultimately, not only do the Astros get two players who are probably years away from becoming Willy Tavares clones, they get one pitcher who hasn’t shown anything since 2008.
Oh, and they give the Phillies $11M.
Oh, and Oswalt’s is not guaranteed.
Give credit to the Phillies but this one smells funny.
It really makes zero sense. I just feel awful for Astro fans, as now they have even less to look forward too. Their team sucks, they just got jacked out of their best asset, and there is nothing in the future that is remotely promising.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 29, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
So the Phillies are now paying Oswalt
2.5+M for the rest of 2010 and $8M+ for 2011 and if they don’t both agree to the option, they pay him another $2M.
It probably came down to the Dodgers not wanting to give up certain players and maybe Oswalt not wanting to play here (though Ausmus did have lunch with him back in May).
by bhsportsguy on Jul 29, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
does smell funny.
If Selig’s office can exert influence on the outcomes of big deals like this,
would it make more sense to reward the ownership of the Phillies
or the Dodgers today?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That would set a terrible precident.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
That's what I've been saying, too. The Wade Connection.
Bugs me.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I wouldn’t be shocked if Ed Wade honestly thought J.A. Happ was an elite pitcher.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Gammons
He’s on live on MLB Network and is laughing that the Dodgers didn’t want to pay for Blake’s salary.
Rightfully so
We traded more for George Sherrill than the Phillies did for Oswalt.
I don't know about that
its just weird.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 29, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Gammons needs to go away to Martha’s Vineyard or something.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
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