Andre Ethier Far From An Equal Opportunity Batter
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 2:21 PM PDT
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PrintOne of the recurring Dodger story lines of recent years is how Andre Ethier likes to use a chip on his shoulder to propel himself to success in his baseball career. These stories usually begin with pointing out that before he played at Arizona State, the coaching staff there asked him to play community college ball as a freshman first. Then, those article move on to his efforts to prove to Ned Colletti, Grady Little, et al., that he deserved a full-time job in a major-league outfield.
Well Andre, if you are looking for more chips to carry, look no further, because I am going to present here one area where you need to make some adjustments and improvements. (No, it's not defense; I'll leave that to someone else.)
I scanned the National League rosters for the featured, middle of the order type, left-hand batters on each team and compiled their career triple-slash stats, along with their wOBA for their performance against left-hand pitching. I also threw in his teammate James Loney as another point of comparison. (Some teams simply didn't have a good enough hitter for a comparison, e.g., Pittsburgh - Garrett Jones is like that only against LA - and some hitters didn't have long enough career for a valid comparison, e.g., Jason Heyward, Colby Rasmus.)
(If you are not familiar with wOBA, you can read about it here. Note that it scales to OBP - .335 is around league average overall - and it is not park-adjusted; Adrian Gonzalez is better than Brad Hawpe.)
Here's what I found:
| Batting vs. Left-hand Pitchers, Career | |||||
| Player | BA | OBP | Slg | OPS | wOBA |
| Chase Utley | .282 | .391 | .498 | .890 | .387 |
| Todd Helton | .303 | .395 | .458 | .853 | .374 |
| Joey Votto | .296 | .375 | .474 | .849 | .372 |
| Adam Dunn | .238 | .356 | .471 | .826 | .359 |
| Prince Fielder | .254 | .337 | .468 | .805 | .348 |
| Aubrey Huff | .275 | .327 | .427 | .755 | .338 |
| Adrian Gonzalez | .252 | .329 | .432 | .761 | .329 |
| Brad Hawpe | .244 | .320 | .437 | .758 | .329 |
| Adam LaRoche | .256 | .314 | .452 | .767 | .329 |
| Ryan Howard | .232 | .313 | .454 | .767 | .327 |
| James Loney | .266 | .327 | .394 | .721 | .315 |
| Andre Ethier | .247 | .310 | .369 | .679 | .299 |
Those numbers indicate that left-handed pitching is big neutralizer when it comes to the Dodgers number-three hitter in their batting order. (This also shows what a huge blunder Bud Black made by allowing Jon Garland to pitch to Ethier Tuesday night instead of bringing in LOOGY Joe Thatcher, who was already warmed up.)
C'mon Andre, get with it against LHP! Hire some lefty out of an indy league to throw you breaking balls all day long in practice. Do something! We simply can't have you turn into Juan Pierre* at the sight of a left-hand pitcher.
* worse really. Pierre's career vs. LHP: .299 / .350 / .343 / .692 / .313
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Ha
I’ve always wondered about that. Wouldn’t it pay to just work on something like hitting off lefties? Or is there no time during the season to work on that sort of thing?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I wanted Jonny Gomes badly for this reason.
by Alex41592 on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah jamie hoffman or
lol russell mitchell
Platoon
with Reed Johnson.
Put it on the Board.
Tejada and Josh Bell scratched. MLBTR.
by Alex41592 on Jul 29, 2010 2:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I didn’t realize Bell was back up with them.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Scratched in AAA probably to take Tejada’s spot. Sorry.
by Alex41592 on Jul 29, 2010 2:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Heading to LA in exchange for George Sherrill!
{weird parallel universe comments}
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Wouldn't expect Giants
But Padres or Cards…
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He needs more grit to hit lefties.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
he has grit because it’s difficult for him
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
AL
I don’t get it. Is it suppose to be tough to pitch in the AL East, or hit in the AL East?
People seem to think the AL East is like a separate superior league compared to the rest of MLB.
I would say having three of the best teams in the league in one division makes it one of difficult competition.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I give players coming from the Orioles and Jays MORE credit not less
They don’t get to improve their stats by beating up on themselves.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
The good players on crummy teams
should get more credit for doing it against the Yankees, Sox and Rays.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
If Luke Scott hits like a league average LF in AL and in a hitters park, I’m not going to assume that he will suddenly hit like a MVP in the NL west.
I’m going to trust park factors more than division ‘reps’.
It’s probably not that radical, but yes, he along with anyone else would be expected to hit better by not having to face them.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
How is a .900 OPS league after in LF
We must have a hell of a contingent of LFs this year in the league if all of them are averaging .900 OPS.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I’m saying facing the Yankees 18 times, the Red Sox 18 times and the Rays 18 times is harder than facing the Twins, Tigers and White Sox. Playing those three teams exactly 1/3 of your games will inflate pitchers stats and deflate hitters stats and should be accounted for.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
No
park factors try to use statistical methods to eliminate the talent difference of the teams and isolate the effects of the park. In other words, the park factors should be correct irrespective of the players on the home team. Dodger Stadium is a pitchers park, whether the staff is 12 Clayton Kershaws or 12 Ortizii.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Right, but we use park factors to help determine this.
What people are trying trying to do is use an intangible result and then equating that to the quality of the player.
C'mon now
Yankee Stadium has a park factor of XXX no matter who is on the pitching staff on the Yankees. But if the Yankees can start CC Sabathia every game and you bat against them 18 times, that has a tangible effect on you, likewise if they start Russ Ortiz every game. If you play 54 games against the Rays, Yanks, and Bosox and they have significantly above average pitching staffs, that hurts you, without even taking ballpark into effect.
What people may be guilty of is overweighting the effect. Are those teams that much better at pitching overall? At batting overall?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I think this is the key of this argument
What people may be guilty of is overweighting the effect. Are those teams that much better at pitching overall? At batting overall?
And I think the answer is no, (although they are better than average).
People tell me
that NL West pitchers would get destroyed by AL East hitting…but why wouldn’t NL West pitching slow down AL East hitting?
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
because
they don’t know what they’re talking about. A good pitcher is a good pitcher.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
i don’t know about “destroyed” but it would be more difficult for sure.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Just like AL hitters mashed NL pitchers in the all star game
by nolander on Jul 29, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
you’re talking about facing the top 8 pitchers out of roughly 200 all at once.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I remembered Ethier hits well against LHP in its 1st year in the Majors...
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I considered looking at the splits year to year
and decided that the amount of times a LHB faces a LHP in one season was a classic example of small sample size.
He did ok vs. LHP in his first year, but maybe the pitchers adjusted and he hasn’t.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Is Andre's pinkie still bothering him?
Since coming off the DL on May 31 — 50 games ago — Andre Ethier is hitting .208/.301/.373 for an OPS of 674.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s been babying it…
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
All I can say is that since he came back off the DL, he hasn’t been helping the team.
If he’s hurting, he needs to tell somebody. And maybe he’s earned the benefit of the doubt.
But Ethier also has a well-earned rep for getting extremely hot and then going into extreme suck mode.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 29, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s always been streaky, but this cold one is getting a little long and had a very clear starting point.
he lets it get to him i think, which affects him more. He’ll be fine.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. But that means:
1) Ethier is playing hurt and not telling anybody; or
2) The Dodgers are letting him play hurt; or
3) As you suggest, he made an adjustment which became a bad habit
Like Tommy, I hope he’ll be all right.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 29, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
what it seems to me, and Torre has said it too
he’s lost all patience at the plate. He swings at the first pitch a lot and it usually does not go well for him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
the power stroke is a high maintenance swing.
1,2,and 3 are correct.
Like Manyy with his hand last year
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, yes, but...
….fun with selective endpoints: since the break, he’s hit .140/.260/.302. OPS of 562.
Look, I know we can do that all day… I don’t want to get nitpicky. I think this point stands:
Following his extremely hot start, Ethier hasn’t been helping the team.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 29, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
you can say that
about all the players.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
fun with selective endpoints: since the break, he’s hit .140/.260/.302. OPS of 562.
not that bad he can’t.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
not likely the other players
have been as bad as that since the break.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Not trying to be selective
before the break he was hitting pretty damn good for the month, which is important datum.
Maybe it is just Streaky Ethier.
Hot in April-early May.
Out on DL.
Ice Cold in June — 562 OPS.
Red Hot early July — 1017 OPS.
Ice Cold late July — 562 OPS again.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Weird to hear Cantu playing for Florida right now knowing he's going to be a Ranger
after the game ends.
Marlins now up 5-zip on Gnats
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hit a bomb Cantu
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
looks like Astros
now looking into possible deals for Berkman. My guess, Angels or Rays. Rays most likely.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 2:37 PM PDT reply actions
I kinda figured Oswalt was a gateway deal.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
like a gateway drug?
The first one is free. After that, the next deal — Berkman — will cost ya!
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 29, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure this was already discussed
but why did Toronto flip wallace for gose? If they wanted him so badly they could have tried to get him in the Halladay deal.
The one theory from the last thread
was that maybe Toronto asked for Gose and Philly said no.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I've heard a rumor
Hunter plus cash
for
Hellickson and Upton
What a sick ass trade if that really happens.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
So the Angels rotation next year would be Haren, Weaver, Santana, Pineiro, Hellickson? Is one of them leaving after this season or will that then be their 5? That’d be a pretty damn deep rotation.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
forgot about him, actually. Would they move him to the pen as nolander suggests or would they try to flip Pineiro in his contract year?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
He’s down right now nursing a ‘fatigued’ shoulder.
Maybe they’re not counting on him?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
They should trade him for Victor Zambrano.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
They get Kendry back
but they will still need a LF next year, and probably a RF given the dropoff of Abreu. Wonder if Napoli can become what Jeff Willingham became for the Nat’s. He was a failed defensive catcher with alot of the same offensive skills as Willingham.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Tejada a Padre
The Padres will acquire Miguel Tejada from the Orioles, according to MLB.com’s Corey Brock (on Twitter). Connolly hears the O’s get a pitcher and salary relief.
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quote above via MLBTR
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Is he really much better than Headley?
This season Tejada has same batting average, worse OBP and worse slugging.
Yeah I din't think he is.
Nor is he as good defensively at SS as Everth Cabrera.
But he’s veteran-y!
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Maybe he will play third and Headley will go back to LF.
by Alex41592 on Jul 29, 2010 2:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Word
I like I’m on a Boat better than any of her stuff anyways
#8 ranked Padre prospect by BA before the season
Was struggling lately but considered a good prospect.
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Rotoworld
Pelzer turned 24 years of age one month ago and has posted a 4.20 ERA and 1.66 WHIP over 94 1/3 innings this season at Double-A San Antonio. He’s had control problems throughout his minor league career and can barely be considered a prospect. This was a salary dump for the O’s, basically.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 29, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Hm so I guess #8 prospect in Padres org
goes back to Kensai’s point about the actual number meaning little if the system as a whole blows. :-)
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Taschner the Terrible
Taschner the Goner
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously though
If somebody had told me at the beginning of the season,
At the trade deadline, the Dodgers will DFA Jack Tascher (who they recently acquired) to make room for Scott Podsednik
I would have said this was to be a lost season.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 29, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
bite your tongue and wash your mouth out with soap right now young man!
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I would not recommend the soap,
But I hear the man has gin!
am i overvaluing dodger prospects?
I look at these deals being made and it always seems like Colletti has a pay a higher premium then other GMs.
Maybe we’re more attached to the young guys?
Maybe some other teams have more chips to play?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
hasn’t really proved them wrong has he?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Hi Ned here,
Got no money and my AAA cupboard is bare
Whadda ya say let’s make a deal?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
weren't the guys Oswalt got traded for
A-ball guys? besides Happ i mean.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers just dealt their expendable A ball guy to KC
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
objectively
most of the talent in the Dodger system is in A and AA. Most of these trades are for players of that level, so what we’re all wondering is why those teams can trade those players yet everyone wants our best guys from the ML roster.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
typing too fast, trying to get some comments in before the boss gets back to his cube. i meant objectively.
Some teams use all of their draft picks and sign them, yes this costs money.
The new players they want to keep and develop need to move up.
They have players with talent who will not be in the teams plans in the next
12-36 months, so they are more willing to make these guys available in order to make room for the new guys?
Dodgers put more value on their better minor league prospects because they have not been drafting/signing so many inthe last couple of years?
And the Dodgers do not have a surplus of money to pay the people they would be trading for anyway?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
We don’t have any ultra toolsy yet crappy guys in the low minors or anyone in the big leagues getting by on pixie dust. The kind of guys bad GMs like.
Dee Gordon is the one guy we do have the might be classified like this, but he’s untouchable.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying
Bad GMs like ultra toolsy yet crappy guys.
Dee Gordon might be classified like this.
Dee Gordon is reportedly untouchable because the Dodger love him.
Therefore, the Dodgers’ GM is bad.
QED.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Ha Ha
Actually if I was a GM I would have a list of untouchables, just because you never know if you are dealing with a guy who wants what he can’t have. On my list of untouchables would be everyone one I want to trade, but I would only shoot this wad once, for the right deal.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
My untouchable list
Dee Gordon
Ethan Martin
Kyle Russell
John Ely
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
My untouchable list
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Means Phil doesn't want to touch them
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Giants lose 5-0.
1 hit CG shutout from Anibel Sanchez!
Be nice to gain a game on them tonight since I don’t like tomorrow’s pitching matchup.
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Suck it Pandouche!
It had to be said.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
fucking Panda hats at the Stadium were ridiculous
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 29, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I forget, but didn’t we do pretty ok against him last time?
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
Yep, Dodgers hit Lincecum pretty well last time
He’s not unhittable and Monk has been decent as a spot starter, but I don’t like the odds in that one, let’s say.
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only
because he sucked. And then we got into a stupid beanball war and the bullpen let it get away.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I was there
Shitty game to have attended. Great start knocking the Bongmeister around, only to have the gaffe at the end to lose. Bah.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It looked just as bad on TV, but it had to have felt worse being there.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
well
I was at the Yankee game we fucked up. not a good feeling.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
can you top this?
I was at Game Four of the 2008 NLCS at DS. Was there a bigger recent home game sack-puncher?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I was at that game too.
Maybe worst sports fan moment of my life.
Was there as well.
The Victorino home run went so fast and silenced the crowd so quickly that I wasn’t even sure it had happened.
OK, I must be going to too many games. I was at that 2008 NLCS Game 2, too, come to think of it, and the recent meltdown against the Yankees. Huh. At least I have the Nads game. that may well be the highlight of my sports-watching life, honestly.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jul 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I was at both game twos last year
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 29, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
that will always get a rec from me
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I
was at that one too. I actually kinda predicted him not catching that ball. Just the jump he got made me think of it.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
For the ride to the top and then the ride to the bottom
probably nothing worse then that game in recent Dodger history.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
For me it was down, up, down
Down at the start because I didn’t find out until I got there that JP was starting in CF, not Kemp. The rest is well known.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
and
I wouldn’t count on him sucking twice in a row against us.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
What's the rationale for starting the game at 3:30?
It means awkward lighting and there’s no national TV benefit.
didn't the old
summer games before lights start at 03:30 right after school?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It’s a balance between a getaway day game (for the Dodgers), the want of a weekday day game by the Padres, and wanting more people there.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
But how does a 3:35 game on a Thursday in SD
get more people into the park than a 7:05 game? People in SD are so laid back they don’t have jobs?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It’s a travel day for the Dodgers, and most teams try to scratch each other’s back in that situation, if possible.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
and I think they want to have a certain number of weekday games just by default — the businessman’s special — but are trying something new this year.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I like it. Plus you figure the game will end around 6:30-7:00 you are already in the gaslamp you might as well go get something to eat while you are down there. So it helps out the area restaurants I would imagine better than the 7:05 or 1:05 start
I'd rather see a game at 03:30 in LA
then 12:15
1. Don’t have to leave at 11:00, can leave at 02:00 so basically get a full day in if you skip lunch and come in early.
2. Game is over at 06:30 – 07:00, not as congested trying to get home as 04:30 – 05:00
3. Not as hot, should get some stadium cover by the 3rd inning.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It’s like how Wrigley manages to fill up their Stadium with drunks 30 times a year during weekdays.
by regfairfield on Jul 29, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Well that makes sense, I guess.
But the Padres website lists mlb.tv as the only broadcaster of the game.
The only local feed is KCAL. So people will either get Vinny or MLB Network sent a crew.
by Alex41592 on Jul 29, 2010 3:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yay its on KCAL!
I think I’m the only person on the planet who is happy about that.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Consider it preparation for the playoffs. I think it could also be so they can treat our game as an opening act for a different game at 7, though i haven’t looked at their TV lineup.
Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
I had thought he started hitting lefties this year..
But the stats say otherwise. Dunno where I got that perception
i did too
it was based on his hot start in the begining of the year when he was mashing both RHP and LHP
I think
he’s been slightly better this year than last year.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 29, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He was horrible last year
this year just not good. I know avg isn’t the go to, but he was like 180 last year and is about 265 this year.
He actually hit lefties at home at a decent clip last year
and started out hitting lefties at a decent clip this year before falling back into the netherworld.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Well I gotta weigh in here somewhere right
David’s right. Andre’s my favorite Dodger, and the most handsome Dodger (in my opinion) but he’s not the perfect Dodger. He’s an above average player with a weakness against lefties and quadruple A defense. I just don’t see the drive behind the comparisons. Are we upset that he’s getting so much love and recognition? Are we trying to explain his current slump? What’s the motivation?
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
Honestly, i just think he’s jealous that Andre gets all of your love and attention.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
trying to put a chip on his shoulder so he can start hitting like a true bro again
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I get your intent
and make no mistake, I hope he reads this. I just feel like Andre bashing is our new sport du jour, and this is usually how I react to our bashing du jour, but it’s Andre, so I’m like *4 crazy
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 29, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I did think it was interesting
how much worse his weakness against lefties is compared to a middle-of-the-list guy like Prince Fielder, let alone against the elites, e.g. Utley. That’s a pretty big gap.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
He sucks right now
is basically the gist at a time when he has to step up.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
But it's not like his A-Gon on the Padres
Raffy, Loney, and Kemp all have a role in this lack of production, and Martin’s slide to anonymity isn’t helping either
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 29, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He's our best hitter, he has to produce as our best hitter.
Loney is a complementary player, as is Rafy and Martin. I agree that Kemp needs to shoulder the same load. We can’t call them the best hitting outfield in LA history only to watch them perform like Strawberry, Daniels, and Davis.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Isn't
Manny the Dodgers’ best hitter?
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 29, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I had hoped not
but sadly that might still be the case and if it is, that does not bode well for our future.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I almost put in
a “with all due apologies to the future Mrs. Ethier” line, with a link to your profile.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
oh when I saw the post
I knew I’d be mentioned somewhere in the comments, lo and behold:
I blame Josie
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2010 2:38 PM PDT
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 29, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
You say that with surprise
I’ll admit any day of the week that Pete Carroll is a good guy, just to throw it back at ya, but yeah Tedford’s real great, family man, all down to earth and Berkeley like. You’ve got to be or you’d go nuts at a place like Cal.
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 29, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
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