Dodger Dejection or Dodger Delusion
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:04 PM PDT
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PrintIt is easy to give up hope after suffering losses to a lineup of Hairston's, Gywnn's, and the myriad of third world players that make up the Padre lineup. I mean if you can't beat them who can you beat? Sure the Padres are 20 games over 500 but it is still the weakest lineup I've seen all year. Will that and the lineup the Dodgers have been using since the All-Star break.
Ned is going to do what he can to help the beleaguered team but many of us think no matter what he does it will be to little to late. The odds are very high against the Dodgers being able to overcome all their problems to win their 3rd straight Division title. The wild card may be even higher odds with additions the Phillies just made of not only Oswalt but having a Dominic Brown to add to their arsenal.
You can make a very strong case that this team is simply not built to compete this year. The hopes and expectations of the Dodger offensive core has simply disintegrated like a fractured pinky. Other then Rafy Furcal no one is meeting/beating expectations. Our offense is laughable in the way we made fun of the Padre, and Giant offenses. Yet they are having the last laugh. While Bumgarner worked his way through his minor league troubles to help the Giant rotation, our number one prospect for rotation help took his glove and went home.
This Dodger team is deeply flawed, and even my rose colored glasses are having a tough time finding some sunshine.
Dodger Dejection:
- Six games out of first
- Three 1/2 games out of the Wild Card but with seven teams fighting for that spot.
- An offense that has scored 28 runs since the all star game (13 games)
- Monk going against Lincecum tomorrow/today depending on when you read this
- Joe Torre
- Blake DeWitt has the second best OPS on the team in July and he has ONE home run for the season
- The worst defense in baseball
- No money to acquire impact players
- No major league ready prospects to acquire the impact players we can't afford
- Mannywood has become termite ridden
- Huge hole in the 5th spot in the rotation
Dodger Delusion:
- Incredible Starting pitching from Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda, and yes, Padilla
- Maybe the best three at the back end of any bullpen in Jansen, Kuo, and Broxton
- We have seen these offensive woes before, and lived through them
- Joe Torre
- Belief in the core that they are not mediocre millionaires
- Manny can't go out on a stretcher
- Andre can't be this bad much longer
- Someday Kemp will get hot for more then two weeks at a time
- Podman is here
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sooner or later, something has to give with the Padres lineup. Outside of Gonzalez, they have virtually no power. Even after adding Tejada, it still looks pretty weak.
Just hope the bats wake up when they come to the ravine next week so we can get back into this race and hopefully we see some offense in San Francisco too. Tired of watching them score 1 or 2 runs a night because the pitching can only do so much.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
If it happens
Edwin Jackson will have to hold the record for a pitcher with a no – hitter getting traded this many times before his 27th birthday.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 29, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
He might play for every team in baseball before hes done. Obviously cliff Lee and Edwin are on two stratospheres in terms of pitching ability, but both of those guys have been shipped around like crazy these past few years.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
When you run your simulator every day,
all the stats are current as of that day (or the day before)?
all the stats are current
within each pitchers last start. I try to update the stats every four days. And by stats, I mean the input player projections.
Fangraphs
I use to have a subscription to BIS. Now I use the Fangraphs leaderboards and output to csv. I then wrote a parser to fish out the data that I need. for the csv file. Whenever Fangraphs changes the format of their csv output I get a little irritated. :)
vr, Xei
have you ever done a statistical breakdown as to how accurate the simulator is? I realize the games themselves are almost 100% variable, but it’s still a blast trying to use the simulator to guess the outcome.
I like Cetera.
Yes, I have
from 2005 to current season. It helps me calibrate the best way to properly weight pitcher and hitter projections, as well as park factors.
It’s cool if you can’t, totally understand, but would you mind sharing? It’s your baby so like I said if you don’t want to it’s 100% no big deal.
I like Cetera.
difficult season, and off season
The team needs to cut bait or get some pitching now. Haren and Oswalt were stolen by the Angels and Phils. Any thought that the Dodgers were in on them?
Lilly, Westbrook, ???. The hard part about this season (and off season) is with minimal effort (and minimal money) the Dodgers could be winning the division easily.
by kimo from kauai on Jul 30, 2010 12:53 AM PDT reply actions
Wow
I read some of the comments and got depressed… I won’t even dare to go back to the game thread…
If the eyes are the windows to the soul, then these sunglasses are the curtains telling you to keep the fuck out!!!
All good except...
How is Joe Torre a good thing? He is one of the primary reasons the team has struggled this year.
Joe is good for one thing
He’s saving us… from Don Mattingly…
If the eyes are the windows to the soul, then these sunglasses are the curtains telling you to keep the fuck out!!!
by angelofdeath on Jul 30, 2010 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Padres Grounds Crew Dims Stadium’s Lights For Romantic Night Game
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Dodgers Discussing Deal for Lilly, Theriot
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/dodgers-discussing-deal-for-lilly-theriot.html
The Dodgers and Cubs are discussing a trade that could send Ted Lilly and Ryan Theriot to Los Angeles, report Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. They say it’s not known whether a deal is close. The Cubs would need to kick in cash – Lilly has $4.3MM remaining and Theriot has $933K. Theriot received a $2.6MM salary for 2010 after losing an arbitration case to the Cubs in February. He’s under team control through 2012; the FOX writers see him taking over at second base for the Dodgers. It doesn’t seem to be the strongest need for them, with Blake DeWitt currently outperforming Theriot and Jamey Carroll and Ronnie Belliard also on the roster.
And to add
I don’t know what we need Theriot for? Are we trying to go the speed / no power / Padres route?
I was actually thinking
maybe Dewitt is in the deal.
I was feeling less dejected until I read “Theriot.”
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw this
and I can only say, I hope they’re gonna flip Theriot for something.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if the Cubs are insisting that Ned take Theriot if he wants Lilly and money too. I’m not going to get too upset about this yet—it is Rosenthal—but Theriot-for-DeWitt would certainly be a move in the wrong direction.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
you know, that was my first reaction.
Ned: We want Ted Lilly.
Hendry: Fine, but you have to take Theriot.
Ned: But I don wannnnnaaaaaaa.
Hendry: EAT YOUR PEAS!!!!!! i mean, TAKE THERIOT, WE’LL PAY HIM AND EVERYTHING!!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont' see how that benefits the Cubs that much
He lost his arb. last year and made under $3mm. If they don’t want him, they could easily just non-tender him, or offer him out for some low-level prospect. Plenty of teams would bite. Its not like Theriot is under contract next season for some high salary.
Devil Advocate
Hendry believes by including Theriot, they’ll get a higher return. Normally, I would pershaw at this, but this is Ned, and he overpays in everything.
Exactly
Why my first comment of the day was “This Scares Me”
I don’t think you are playing Devil’s Advocate here.
This scares me too.
Why are the Dodgers, “buying” ?
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
because
we’re still just one good stretch away from contention?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Bullshit. This season is likely over, no reason to trade away guys who can help in future seasons while chasing the wheel this season.
Do your best, don’t do any buying.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
If you want to root and hope, that’s fine. I’ll do the same. But trading minor leaguers to aquire Ted Lilly as though that it is going to make the difference between post-season and not is crazy.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
i agree with that
I never wanted Ted Lilly. I wanted Oswalt because even if the Dodgers failed to make the postseason this year, he’d still be there for next year, and we’d have three damn good pitchers in the rotation. I’ve been really unimpressed with Lilly, and I really really hope we don’t give up anything good for him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t want to give up anything. I don’t want to do anymore trades. I’m not even a prospect hawk, but I’m at a point where I don’t see any logic in it. The Dodgers just had a pretty good strech (winning 4 out of 5) and quickly gave it back. It’s time to give a sober analysis of the situation. Tradign for a 5th starter will not address the issue plaguing the Dodgers, so why do it? Why trade just to send a market signal that the Dodgers are still in the race?
Short of trading for Granick, the store is closed (IMO.)
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
still hoping for that
Granick trade that is.
But remember, I’m agreeing with you about Lilly. He’s not worth it IMO.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
I’m not even going into Clipper mode. I hope that they can go on a run. It’s certainly not impossible. But winning the WC is very difficult and we’re talking about a solid but not spectacular pitching addition. So once every five games the Dodgers will be a bit more competitive.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Too bad Manny isn’t healthy….then again, if he was, we might be in this thing
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 30, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
If we were sellers
it’d be an interesting time to see what boston was offering colorado for Ianetta.
I like Cetera.
Wait, Iannetta’s available? If we’re buying, go get him.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
3.5 GB, with 3 coming up against the leader and 60 games to play isn’t that far back, is it? Granted, we also have to catch the Phillies and Cards, but we’re only two behind them.
I’ll feel okay with this only if we offer Lilly arbitration next year.
I like Cetera.
Ted Lilly, now there’s a temporary solution.
by regfairfield on Jul 30, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Some idiots over there are clamoring for Sands. Others are dismissing him like he’s Jake Fox.
Just pisses me off!!!
i saw that too
just calm down Silver. Remember we were telling Ivy the same thing the other day.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Have no idea how I feel about this. I’d rather have Theriot than Belliard, but you know it isn’t Belliard who will get dropped. Like others have said it’s probably DeWitt either going down or shipping out. I’m sure he’d prefer going down than coming out.
I like Cetera.
Theory
The Cubs say, “fine, Ned, if you want Lilly and money, you need to take Theirot off our hands too.” At that point he replaces Belliard if anybody.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
sure would
plug lilly in the 5 hole, move Blake to the backup 4-corners guy with Pod in LF until Manny comes back, give up an extra prospect for the Cubs to pay Ramirez’s option next year, all of a sudden we look like Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda, Padilla, Lilly….Furcal 6, Carroll 4, Ethier 9, Manny 7, Kemp 8, Loney 3, Aramis 5, Martin 8.
It’s nice to want things.
I like Cetera.
and if to sleep
what dreams may come.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
and lose the veterany goodness?
you speak madness sir
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
not as much as Casey
did you not see the grey? (I love Casey, I just wish he was hitting)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don't think we do
Like LBB said, I think taking him might be conditional to getting Lilly
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
At this point I think any moves that the Ddogers do should be for someone longer than a rental. Get in on Jackson and even Maholm. Both of these combined will make less than Kuroda next year. (I am not saying that they are better than him). So that way we will have 4 SPs going into next year and can focus on finding a true LF for next year.
looks like Jackson
is going to the White Sox, but will probably be flipped to the Nats for Adam Dunn.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Sox GM Kenny Williams has something big cooking, tweets Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times, and if he gets it done the Jackson deal is off.
saw that
could be very interesting…….
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
as if
i didn’t have enough hate in my soul.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
One of the more ballsy moves is while talking about Cantu. The Rangers tried to talk about Josh Johnson as well and were quickly told NO.
On a lighter note...Peter Gammons is going insane
Real tweets from Gammons:
Bengals ADD:attention dementia disorders
I often ask why I didn’t vote for Pat Buchanan in ’92
If there is a god iwill never hear aboutanother dopey Tour de France tricyclist
The appropriate ESPYS hosts are Jose Canseco and Lady Gaga
Yeah
“Backseat drivers don’t know the feel of the wheel but they sure know how to mae a fuss.” Bob Dylan on internet 2nd guessing of GM, Mgrs… >
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 8:12 AM PDT reply actions
Is that real Gammons or someone doing a parody of him?
Because, wow…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
i had to laugh at the tour de france one.
it really does seem like every year, if it’s a non-frenchman who wins it, he immediately gets accused of doping.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Delusion is the perfect term
Reality can be a sobering place. So thanks to Phil for this column. I’ve been worried about the delusion that many bloggers express about this deeply flawed team—-which I tried to counter by my prior posts arguing that you don’t draw to fill an inside straight on a low ceiling team. It is fine (and fun) to hope that players turn their seasons around and that things magically come together for an amazing stretch run. There is no cost to wishing. But it is delusional to pay current market prices involving scarce minor league talent in the firm belief that the needed infusion of offensive power and both a starting and relief pitcher would then be in place for this year. Frankly I’d rather sell some pieces that don’t figure in plans beyond next year to contenders who believe they could make a difference this year. What’s the difference if we finish 6 games out or 12 games out? Yesterday I adopted an ironic tone (bring Garland back in a trade and hope it doesn’t cost us more than 2 minor league players) to try to needle a bunch of bloggers who tried to run him out of town after last season ended becuase they knew that we had at least 2 guys in AAA who were ready to step in. Right!! Unless a pitcher has shown that he can get the job done over a full season in the bigs, to merely assume he will be better than someone who you know can produce acceptable outcomes is naive. Finally, I would like to propose that we promote Mattingly to manager immediately (allowing Joe to take a well-earned vacation). I think the difference at the managerial level would be fairly trivial, and we could try to find someone who actually can improve the dreadful at bats most of the players have. We can’t have virtually all our key players backsliding to this degree. If it was an isloated case or two, that’s one thing. It is hardly unusal to discover that former great players did it on raw ability rather than by acquiring knowledge they could pass along. It’s time to get Mattingly out of that job.
Who would you rather have as hitting coach?
And:
it is delusional to pay current market prices
Oswalt and Haren went for next to nothing. I imagine for Lilly you expect to give up the same deal but without the major leaguer attached. I personally think the current market price was crushed when the Angels fleeced the DBacks.
I like Cetera.
It may not matter if you lose out on the playoffs by 6 or 12 games
but it does matter if you lose out on the playoffs by 1 – 4 games because that is a pennant race in Sept, which is probably important for a good many fans. As deeply flawed as we, our competitors have some of the same flaws. If you were to look at each team we are chasing you would find as many flaws as we have. The Phillies however are getting healthy while adding real talent. That is the deal breaker in this. I don’t think the wild card is available to us, so we have to concentrate on the West, and unless they make up real ground in the seven games, they are probably out, but should management wave a white flag?
Not when the competition is the Padres and Giants. Or maybe they should. I’m quite undecided on this, so I’ll fall over to the delusional side and hope things turn quickly and won’t be upset if Ned adds to the team, unless he does it stupidly.
The padres series is over.
On to the piss giants. Suck it giants. Better yet, suck it pandouche. My daughter and I will be there to tell them to suck it in person.
by Skunkburner on Jul 30, 2010 8:24 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Just had an apple fritter. I feel a little better about the Dodgers now.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 30, 2010 8:31 AM PDT reply actions
Had a banana and multivitamins for breakfast, and I have an apple and some almonds on my desk for a snack as the day goes on and you bring up donuts. Great, I’ll be back, I think there is a donut shop down the street.
I like Cetera.
I know right
now I want a fritter. I’ve been eating so poorly lately.
Of course, I’m drinking a rockstar right now, so it’s not like I’m being super diligent about this.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I have
and I’ve had it twice. The first time I felt like my heart was going to explode. The second time was a bit more managable.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
that was my experience
with Monster. First time was fine, but second time, i thought i was gonna have a heart attack.
Difference between doing manual labor and desk work.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I really only go to energy drinks in dire situations
I found out my senior year of college that if I drank them too regularly it messed up my body chemistry.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
i like the 5 hour energy's
as they have less sugar and caffeine
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I felt better about the Dodgers last night after watching several Friday Night Lights eps
in a row Seriously if you watch the beginning of Season 4 (the newest one) you can become reinspired about the heart it takes to compete in sports. Or at least get some perspective. :-)
And I also had chocolate chip banana bread which made me feel better too.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I watched Friday Night Lights thru episode 2 of season 1. I had enough.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
D;oh! It gets really good, gotta give it time.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
This
it’s fantastic.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I’ve only seen the beginning of S4. It was amazing.
I want Coach Taylor to Coach Taylor me in life.
And I want to date Sorensen.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Saracen you mean?
Poor Matt, should’ve gone to art school. Or maybe he does; haven’t gotten through S4 yet.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Y'all will be pleased to know I started a curse jar
like our moms used to do, for here, and in a day earned enough to donate the Dodgers $4.5 million for draft, scouting or big trade acquisition. You’re fucking welcome! :-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on Jul 30, 2010 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You’re nice for supporting Frank’s lawyers.
I like Cetera.
by G.Scott on Jul 30, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
should save up it for the rest of the season
we’ll have enough to buy the Dodgers
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
That's my dream!
Keep cursing folks, and pony up. We can co-own the team!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Oh man
could you imagine if TBLA owned the Dodgers?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
The hat selection in the gift shop would be streamlined!
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
would you still allow the sale of Laker colored Dodger jersey’s?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
hatehatehatehatehatehate
/Chapplle’s show
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I don’t even know you, but I hate you. I hate your guts. I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and only to you.
@soyboquense
now if you'll excuse me
i’m gonna go put some water, in BuckNasty’s momma’s dish.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I got a song for ya bitch
it’s called Daughter don’t sing.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Security would remove these at the gate
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 30, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Want to hear something funny?
From Yahoo’s Dave Brown:
Cowley speculates on radio that Kenny might be working on a deal for Manny Ramirez. #whitesox #crazypeople
Nobody is ever going to pay for money already earned. The only hope for any salary relief rests in how much of the ~$7m he is owed for this season’s play (spread over future years of course) the White Sox will pick up.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
that’s what I meant. pay what’s left on his money for this year. It’d be crazy for the Dodgers to ask the Sox to pay his last year’s salary. Unless I’m misunderstanding you, which is totally possible.
I like Cetera.
You said deferred money, and I thought you meant like the future payments, some of which is still from 2009.
Technically, Manny’s 2010 salary isn’t paid until 2011. The payout of this year’s $20 million is:
2011: $5m
2012: $10m
2013: $5m
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
That...that would be incredible
I agree with MSTI…Juan Pierre might explode
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
by Maddz on Jul 30, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Manny and Vin
for Pierre and Hawk Harrelson.
Put it on the Board!
Go sit in the corner. Now.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
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The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 30, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I would become an Angels fan if this happened
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think we would get any prospects worth dealing.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
that’s what they said about Link and Ely. ;)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
and they weren’t worth dealing for Oswalt or Haren, were they? :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Ha
I would have dealt them for Oswalt and Haren!
Let’s trade Ely to the Brewers. Then he’ll be on the Nashville Sounds!
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Hoooray
But why would we be looking into Lilly if we are looking to trade Manny? One trade says buy, one trade says sell. Maybe we’re going after Quentin. That would be awesome.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
There is no chance that this is true, right?
I mean, this is just some writer’s way of generating a ton of traffic t his site, right?
i'll be
leaning towards the negative. But I guess Kenny Williams is reportedly working on something big.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
from Jon Weisman
Hypothetical: Would you rather the Dodgers spend $4 million on the remaining 2010 salary of Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly after acquiring him in a trade, or the team’s top 2010 draft choice, pitcher Zach Lee?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:13 AM PDT reply actions
If Lee is playing baseball and not LSU football
Give it to him.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Lee.
But I also think if we trade Manny away, we should also trade Padilla and Kuroda and let Ely and Monk take their lumps for the rest of the year.
If we buy, be buyers. If we sell, be sellers. Don’t try to be on the fence.
I like Cetera.
You can’t get away with that from a PR perspective though. Frank still needs some people in the seats for duration for the season.
They'll fill the stadium anyway
people will come to see Kemp, Ethier, Kershaw et al. The casual Dodgers fan who goes to the games just want to see their favorite team.
I like Jon’s opinion on this. Frank McCourt will be hated no matter what he does, people will go to the stadium anyway, so they might as well do what’s in the best interest of the club.
I like Cetera.
I disagree with this
There is large percentage of fans that fall in between casual fan who just want to go to the stadium and the people who are on this blog and follow prospects.
If you trade away 1/2 (and it is half since we only have 4 starters) of the rotation, along with Manny, it would certainly hurt fan perception and attendance. Even if people hate McCourt, they are less inclined to come to the ballpark when 3/5 of games will probably be a loss.
What PR?
Everybody in LA hates them anyway? There’s nowhere down they can go.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Its not PR for the McCourts
but for the team. At the end of the day, the team is a business and there many different moving parts that make the business run.
Lee is the east choice over a few weeks of Lilly.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll be honest
I’m hoping for some crazy trade that happens at 12:58 pm. Or something that happens on Sunday. Just because I want more absurdity in a year that has already been ridiculous.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
From a selfish standpoint, I would prefer any deals to happen tomorrow as well (busy at work today). But I am a fan of the crazy trade, at least in theory.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think anything can happen on Sunday, deadline is Saturday no?
Either way, I’m glad I’m going camping for a week. I think I need time apart from the Dodgers esp if they do something stupid ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
not for waiver trades!!!
:D
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Facial? :(
PUBERTY IS A ROUGH TIME, OK?!
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Dodgeball
had the best ending line to a movie ever.
“Fucking Chuck Norris.”
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's keep this site clean!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Marv Albert (well, while announcing) is clean!
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Lebron's step-father close to joining LA
http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2010/07/30/lakers-close-to-signing-delonte-west/
Not a fan of this move, but atleast the Lakers will get support from Lebron’s momma
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 9:22 AM PDT reply actions
LeBron went South cuz his mama went West.
I like Cetera.
by G.Scott on Jul 30, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will be pissed if we do that Lilly trade.
I know he’s going to cost some big named prospects and I am NOT inclined to trade them for a rental. BE SMART NED.
They've stolen my story idea!
Clayton Kershaw has a 2.34 ERA in 15 starts since his early-May Milwaukee disaster, and has the 5th highest K/9 rate and 11th lowest FIP in all of baseball
Lol
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Ok, regarding Theriot
If they turn around and move him, what teams have a hole at 2b?
Is it more likely that if we acquire him, we move DeWitt to 3B and INSHALLAH, DFA GA?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
It would be an absolute tragedy if Theriot is acquired
He is OPS .650 for christ sakes
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
if the Cubs are insisting Theriot be a part of any Lilly trade, the solution is simple: don’t get Ted Lilly.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I would easily take back Theriot if it meant giving up less in prospects. That would mean the Dodgers were actually willing to pay his remaining $933k and we could dump him in the off-season.
i'd like to see
if Ned could flip him somewhere if we have to take him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
can Theriot play third? or short? or LF?
I seriously don’t know.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure
he can play LF as well as Carroll. He can definitely play SS (probably better than Carroll). Not sure about 3B.
Yes to SS
and Hu is the only SS I know Hu can’t play 3rd so I’d say yes. And if Carroll can play LF then so can he.
SS: 439 games, 2B: 114, 3B: 9, OF: 5
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I would bet money they wouldn’t dump him in the offseason though.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Ned would be so proud.
“We’ve shored up two problem areas with veteran guys before the offseason even started!”
White Sox
Kenny Williams is after Berkman and Brett Myers. That’s the jaw dropping move he was talking about.
Since Ed Wade is involved, I’m guessing nothing
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Hudson, Flowers, Viciendo
(i know very little about these guys. Hudson was their top pitching prospect, and Flowers is the heir apparent to AJ Pierzynski.)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Hudson is a very intriguing prospect
I think the Dbacks got a nice piece in the Edwin Jackson deal
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought I read somewhere it was a done deal
maybe not actually
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure
but wouldn’t you rather have Scherzer then Hudson.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t they just draft one of the Guillen progeny?
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
it'd be funny
because I’m wearing my Manny shirt right now.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
:) just saying
No, if there’s one area the Dodgers should look to improve at, it’s the bench. Jamey Carroll‘s been great, and Brad Ausmus is what is he is. Really, they could improve themselves right now by simply cutting Garret Anderson (who, by one measure, achieved the title of "Worst Season in LA Dodger history" yesterday, but that deserves a post of its own) and Ronnie Belliard, who have each been abysmal. Simply replacing them with, say, Jay Gibbons and John Lindsey would be a huge boon. (No, Juan Castro doesn’t count, though do expect to see him in September.)
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
He posted that two days ago when Oswalt was still in play and we had not yet gotten Pod.
It is kind of out of date.
That is correct
I didn’t actually see the date on the article. But I wasn’t linking it for the Oswalt part, it was for the bolded part.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Jay Gibbons and John Lindsey are huge boons?
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he means
instead of GA and Belli. But like Meercat was saying, that was before we got Pods. I still say Russ Mitchell.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
i did too
just being honest
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 30, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
God you have such a dirty mind
Funny enough I’m listening to music at work and the stereotypical porn music is playing right now for some reason…that’s very odd, lol.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
and to be fair
I meant boobs like maroons, y’know, what a couple of boobs
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 30, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I just read macaroon
and at first I was confused and then I was like, “OH MAN I LOVE MACAROONS”
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Me too my friend
Me too
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 30, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Relative to Garrett Glue Factory Anderson and Belliard, they most certainly are…
The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 30, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Garret Anderson is one animal
but I would rather have Belliard than either of those guys.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we have to be sellers to being trying to trade Manny
if they have finally come to the realization he’s a pinch hitter going forward you live with Pod/Johnson in LF and move Manny for salary relief that would help you acquire someone else who can help the team.
If it happens—and I don’t think it will—the Pods deal would suddenly make more sense. But is Manny even tradeable at this moment? I’d want my own doctors involved.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Some AL team
looking for someone to DH the rest of the season. Any team like that?
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 30, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
my name is Josie
and I endorse this delusion
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 30, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
His power is down and he keeps hurting himself running. He’s scheduled to come off the DL tomorrow, but there’s been no indication that he will be back in the lineup. True, he’d stay healthier as a DH, but it still strikes me as riskier than getting Dunn or Berkman.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not like
he’s Jason Schmitt though. He’s still got some use value
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 30, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure
but have you seen what those teams are asking for Dunn/Berkman when Manny could probably be had for nothing and quite possibly be the better DH since neither of those NL players have ever been asked to DH before?
If you gave me the choice of those 3 for a DH, I’m taking Manny. Dunn does not want to DH, and it may take an adjustment that the White Sox can’t afford.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
wouldnt we have to do this on the waiver wire in August?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 30, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
it's been my understanding
that if you agree to a trade with another team and your guy has to pass through waivers, everyone else ignores it. and lets that person pass through.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
think its possible too, esp given the money involved
but Im pretty sure you cant trade someone on the dl.. wish we could tho.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 30, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you can trade someone on the DL. In fact Peavy was dealt to the White Sox last season while on the DL.
You can, as long as the commisioner signs off
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Question
is it only minor leaguers that can be traded even though they are on the DL? Or can Major leaguers be traded as well?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions
I think it has to be approved by Selig
with a physical. Right? I mean we got Thome even though he was broken.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
E Jackson to the White Sox, done deal
says Tim Brown. So maybe the Lastros deal is off…
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 10:00 AM PDT reply actions
More from Tim Brown
Dodgers waiting for cost of Lilly to come down. Also monitoring Maholm and, for bullpen help, Frasor.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 10:01 AM PDT reply actions
I don't see why that would make you more upset
You knew they where looking at these guys, and ned is not simply giving them anything they want.
Because I don’t want these guys. I don’t want the price to go down, I want the deal to vanish.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 30, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
He could have pitched in my bullpen the last 4 yrs no problem
very unlucky this year .373 BABIP
@soyboquense
Do ZOMGs
count as OMGs?
And I’m not sorry. I’m a Valley Girl. It’s encoded in my DNA.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
look at me, coming back with real stats.
Soria and Frasor – two that got away. I am also old enough to remember Wetteland.
@soyboquense
We got him for Jayson Werth. Totally worth it.
by regfairfield on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Really
how can anyone pine for Frasor given the return was a starting LF?
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't equate
trades that bring in value with “got away”. In a few years if Garate or Nunez become major league relief pitchers they did not get away, they were traded for very functional parts who had a major hand in getting to the postseason.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
how do you classify guys like Chase Utley and David Price? All stars we drafted but didn’t sign.
Where does Ted Lilly fall? Got away, or was never really anything we missed.
I like Cetera.
that is bigger column
but Chase and David wanted to got to college, no fail there.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
That's how I feel too
if guys want to go to college, good for them, we should have probably asked them that before we drafted them unless we were willing to throw big bucks at them. Maybe we did and they still turned it down, I don’t know.
I like Cetera.
Just so we would never have to lament getting rid of Jayson Werth, too?
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
But I mean
we traded Frasor, and got Werth.
I would do that deal 1000 more times.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Worth it for a reporter rushing up on him about V Energy
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I was about to bitch about the trade deadline being on a Saturday when I cant monitor everything from my desk at work, but then I realized Im going to be at work all day tomorrow anyway.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 30, 2010 10:02 AM PDT reply actions
Cheappy McCourts
Jeff Fletcher of AOL Fanhouse reports that the Dodgers are waiting for Cubs to throw in more money in a trade for Ted Lilly.
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions
This winter
but right now the Tigers need him.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t he say he was gonna retire if the Tigers didn’t re-sign him?
by regfairfield on Jul 30, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Just a discouraged pitcher
saying BS. He’s only 27, he’s not retiring.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless of course he knows his arm is shot
and it is killing him to pitch. Seems only yesterday the Tigers were taking so much flak for bringing him into the rotation at such an early age.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
And then pitched him into the ground too.
Bonderman and Maroth were trotted out every 5th day as 19 year olds the year they almost set the all time losses record. Bonderman was a talent and showed it too years later.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup. He’s talking crazy because they are skipping his starts.
The Tigers are done as shit right now after getting swept in 4 games by the Rays
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Six games back
but they are chasing the White Sox and Twins. Not sure I’d give up yet.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
he was also talking retirement recently too.. not the kind of guy I’d target.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 30, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Another crazy idea:
Leo Nunez. This guy is high upside. Cost would probably be one upper echelon pitching prospect.
by silverwidow on Jul 30, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Jon's question was probably worded wrong
because the Dodgers do not have $4 Million to offer either Lilly or Lee.
apparently
which is just a sad fucking state of affairs. I’m not going to say we deserve better, but come on man, thats just sad.
don't get in the way
of Phil’s bitterness!!!
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
right
I can’t get in the way of bitterness if i’m too busy puking my guts out.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Touche'
You are just getting more evil by the day, it’s a good thing you have that evil goatee.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
might be for the best
the evil chicks in comics dress sexier.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn!
You’re right…You really know how to bring down the morale for your opponent, don’t you?
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
MWA HA HA HA HA HA
(strokes goatee)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Joe Cowley claims the Sox aren’t flipping EJax to the Nats or anybody else…if not Dunn or Berkman, maybe this Manny thing has legs.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 10:10 AM PDT reply actions
Manny for Pierre and Jones.
Awww yeah son
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
HOw do you block quote?
I fail miserably when i attempt it
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 10:14 AM PDT reply actions
Highlight the quote and use the " button above.
by silverwidow on Jul 30, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I see the blockquote button
Are you supossed to enter the quote in between the <>?
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Like this, right?
Type bq. before you begin the paragraph you want to see blocked
The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 30, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Always better to type or paste the text first
Then, just select all the text you want in quotes, and then hit the quote button.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
MLBTR says
white sox have E-Jax for Daniel Hudson and David Holmberg.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 10:21 AM PDT reply actions
White Sox are on the hook for a pretty ridiculous salary next year.
by silverwidow on Jul 30, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
That sounds like a solid return for E-Jax
Maybe better than the Oswalt or Haren trades.
Hudson is intriguing and Holmberg is like an 18 year old pitcher. Don’t know much else about him though.
Who knew that Jax 5 would someday refer to how many times Edwin’s been traded (don’t check my math—comic effect).
by kinbote on Jul 30, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Williams is similar to Ned in terms of what he’ll give up.
But Ned still hasn’t been able to pull off a heist like Danks for McCarthy.
by silverwidow on Jul 30, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m talking in terms of pitching. The Ethier trade is obvious.
by silverwidow on Jul 30, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
It quite possible that the DBacks got a better haul for Edwin than they did for Haren.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 30, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
block quotes are awesome
Amare Stoudemire has gone to Israel this week to learn more about Judaism and learn Hebrew.
He showed up to Team USA training camp with a Star of David tattoo, and when asked if that meant he was now Jewish, replied “Yes.”
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions
And I guess now
Sean Miller gets a pass for a few years after the NCAA decided to add on.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 30, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
One more scholly isn’t going to change much, really.
Miller has Arizona back on the right track, which is most important.
I dont think johnson and Jahii are going to play together. and no, i dont think Carson is going to ucla.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 30, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
they're like bffs!
both from zona…read articles where they wanted to play together.
Zona leads for both so i think its plausible!
Most package deals never end up happened, no matter how good of friends the two are. I also dont think anyone knows who leads for jahii. He really enjoys the attention from recruiting, so i dont think anything is set in stone for him.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 30, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
read that too
he’s just blown up over the past 6 months. I’ll probably go to one of his HS games next year since i live in the phx east valley. That kid has insane hops and quickness.
I think at the end of the day if Jahii’s best option other than UA is to go to ASU and play in Herbie’s system then he should ignore the people telling him that he couldn’t thrive in the same class as a combo guard.
Arizona has had two small guards play together very well on several occasions in its history.
Hes cant go to ASU, and that wont be his best option other than UA. That would just be idiotic.
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
favorite nba development of the summer
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 30, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I know that this quote
is out of context, but I love that syntactically, Amare was asked if a tattoo was what it took to become Jewish, and he said yes.
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 30, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I call bluff
Show us your Star of David tattoo.
I believe certain groups won’t bury you in a Jewish cemetary if you have a tattoo. It’s definitely a stigma and frowned upon.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Yup, which is why I've already ruined my chances of that
Not that I’m Justin Miller or anything but…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I’ve actually heard that’s a myth that Jewish mothers tell their Jewish children to scare them into not getting tattoos.
I mean, I can tell you for sure that there are plenty of Jews who lived in Europe in the 1940s who, um, were tattooed, and are buried in Jewish cemetaries.
There’s a stigma, yes… but I believe tattoos are just one of the many things that Jews are banned from doing that plenty of Jews do anyway.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
wow, invoking genocide to make an argument
classy
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 30, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm Jewish and didn't find his example offensive
but yes it’s not the same thing as doing it by choice. Still, I do think exceptions have been made. That and there are differing levels of strictness within the faith, from reformed to Orthodox, and so on.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Didn't say it was offensive
said it lacked class.
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 30, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It also has the benefit of being true.
From a friend who is both Jewish and a religion major, like moi:
1. bible prohibits mutilation of the body, as it would indicate dissatisfaction with the perfection of God’s gift. Therefore, tradition holds that those with tattoos cannot be buried in Jewish cemetaries.
2. The Shoah (another name for the Holocaust)… one of the most diabolical aspects of the final solution was tattooing the jews, as it was expressly against their religion. Obviously then, jewish cemetaries make an exception for holocaust victims
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I'm going to regret replying here
And I shouldn’t have brought up the Holocaust.
But:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/fashion/17SKIN.html?_r=1
But the edict isn’t true. The eight rabbinical scholars interviewed for this article, from institutions like the Jewish Theological Seminary and Yeshiva University, said it’s an urban legend, most likely started because a specific cemetery had a policy against tattoos. Jewish parents and grandparents picked up on it and over time, their distaste for tattoos was presented as scriptural doctrine.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
If he starts going to temple
I’m gonna feel like even more of a bad Jew!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
It also depends
on how seriously you take Deuteronomy. :)
I will never be mad about discussions regarding religion!
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
But wasn’t Humma’s point that since they make exceptions for Holocaust victims that they’ll probably also make exceptions for non-Holocaust victims who tattoo themselves?
My point, which was confused and poorly stated, was that no exceptions need to be made, because no restrictions exist.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Also Jewish here. Really didn’t mean to offend and I apologize.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Family name Kavulastein?
We’re the Underdogowskis when we hit Ellis Island but then shortened it.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Um, being tattoed against your will is not exactly the same thing
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
It's threads like these
that make me glad I’m an athiest
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Not that I don't enjoy
reading religious discussions, just happy I don’t have a stake in any of them
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I can just see some really religious person replying to you about your Athiesm and starting a whole bad mess
lol.
I try to avoid stuff like these convos at all costs.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I have nothing against Aethiests or Aethieism(sp?)
But I always chuckle at the Dane Cook skit about the Aethiest he met at Walgreens. I’m at work so I can’t post a link.
I like Cetera.
Is that the one who sneezed and he said God bless you
and the guy says “I don’t believe in God.”
If so that’s a really funny story.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Elaine: Oh. So, you’re pretty religious?
Puddy: That’s right.
Elaine: So is it a problem that I’m not really religious?
Puddy: Not for me.
Elaine: Why not?
Puddy: I’m not the one going to hell.
maybe one of my favorite lines from the show
Puddy no matter what his character cracks me up.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking of
converting to Latvian Orthodox
I don’t think tattoos play much of a part there either. Anyway, I think most Latvian Latvians who are Christian are Roman Catholic, not Orthodox.
You are thinking of Lithuanians.
Most Latvians are Orthodox.
Besides, he was making a Seinfeld joke
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Manny
If the Yanks, Rays, and White Sox are all after Adam Dunn, would the losers be interested in Manny?
Does anyone know when/if he will return to “active” duty?
by kimo from kauai on Jul 30, 2010 10:36 AM PDT reply actions
I don't know about the Yanks
but Rays and Sox I could see.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Stuff from Ken Rosenthal on Theriot/Lilly
Some of this is kind of odd or at least very Rosenthal-ish.
The Dodgers already have made one trade, acquiring outfielder Scott Podsednik from the Royals. The additions of Lilly and Theriot would further deepen and strengthen their roster.
Lilly would join a rotation that already includes left-hander Clayton Kershaw and right-handers Chad Billingsley, Hiroki Kuroda and Vicente Padilla.
Theriot likely would take over at second base, with the Dodgers possibly sending Blake DeWitt to Triple-A.
I don’t know… really?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
that
would be asinine. Dewitt is playing better than Theriot. If they both stay on the Dodgers, I see Dewitt going to 3rd.
Gah, this is stupid.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
No, because Blake is also better than Theriot.
Tradign for Theriot and then starting him anywhere would be stupid.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
DeWitt is getting traded for Lilly if this is actually the plan.
by regfairfield on Jul 30, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
If it makes you feel any better
just remember that the Dodgers were already gonna suck next year, so sucking worse doesn’t really matter.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed 100%
any scenario in which we start Theriot is flawed.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I will say, and may be in the minority here,
that I’d take Theriot over Belliard in that particular role…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I vaguely remember that...
or when he supplanted Orlando Hudson…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Yeah again it's Rosenthal.
“Forget it Jake, it’s Rosenthaltown.”
I think he’s just making shit up. Theriot, IF acquired, would add to the bench, and fill in for DeWitt and Blake, give them a righty off the bench.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
No one else has mentioned Theriot, just him, FWIW.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Fair point
I wonder what Rosenthal’s percentage of accuracy is in calling trades… About 7%?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
yeah
wasn’t it him that said we were getting A-gon and Bell last year?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe DeWitt isnt scrappy or white or hustle-y enough
in spite of his dope beard
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 30, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
he took pointers
from Blake and Johnson
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
DeWitt isn’t close enough to 30 for Ned’s liking.
by silverwidow on Jul 30, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Lilly is way, way better than the cavalcade of 5th starters.
by regfairfield on Jul 30, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess I should say that neither would make a difference for us. Lilly is better than our current group of 5th starters but he is still going to get blasted several times.
Several less times than Carlos “MLB Pitcher” Monasterios.
by regfairfield on Jul 30, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Other Manny ideas
To the Yanks along with a prospect for Joba or Montero? If we take back Chan Ho that might help.
To the Angels for Conger.
he’d have (potentially) more value to an AL team who would be willing to extend him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
That's exactly what I'm going for.
Rays, Angels, Yanks, etc
think we'd have to be way out to trade Manny
Frank could not survive the PR assassination that would follow if we did it this weekend.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not so sure about the PR flack. Manny’s moment in LA has passed. Statistically and historically he’s the best hitter on the team, but the common fans and the media have moved on.
I think there might be a little backlash but it is not like Manny has been a lifelong Dodger or anything. It would have to be sold as a decision by Manny that he could no longer take the grind of playing in the field.
what about
Manny fertility drug night for fans over the age of 18
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Manny doesnt really have much value
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Does the average fan even remember that we have Manny :)
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 30, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
He hasn't played much this season
so I’m not sure people would be too mad…?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I hope Kenley Jansen is never associated in any way with the left field beachers.Maybe Kenleywood should be the area behind the visitor’s dugout since that’s where he’s sending them.
I like Cetera.
He doesn't have much value, and even less for the Dodgers, an NL team.
If they could trade him for any substantive return, it would be a win.
OK, going a little off topic here, but...
There is a list of creditors (including current and former players) the Texas Rangers owe money to. Among the list is Mickey Tettleton (owed $1.4 million) and Mark McClemore ($970K). Tettleton hasn’t played since 1997 and McClemore hasn’t played for the Rangers since 1994. I am very concerned this is the same path the Dodgers are going down with all of the deferred $ in our current contracts. I can’t imagine still paying Manny in 2023.
In everything I have seen
And I mean Cots Contracts – it would appear that the deferred payments are scheduled to made in the next few years.
BTW – the Red Sox will be paying Manny some deferred money for some time too.
$31M deferred ($3M in 2001, $4M each 2002-08) (paid out in 16 annual installments of $1.94M, 2011-2026)
by bhsportsguy on Jul 30, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, this has to be the smartest a rich player can do. You already have a ton of money, and you can come home and say to your wife/girlfriend…I guaranteed us almost 2 mil a year until 2026.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 30, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
As they say a bird in the hand…. It would be better to get it all right away and invest it in something smart.
You almost got there.
Present value of money states that $31MM today is worth more than $31MM tomorrow, and $1.96MM today is worth far more than $1.96MM in 2026.
I like Cetera.
yeah
money by then could be seashells, or laser beams.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
you got fleeced
i would have settled for a hard roll with ketchup inside.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 30, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't Arod wondering
if he’ll get paid by the Rangers right about now?
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
But I also think there is a deferred money account that MLB maintains for these types of deals, the problem was the Rangers were not keeping up with those payments.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 30, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
My point is that most don’t save it well or invest it well. So, if you already have a ton of money, and do save well with what you have, what is wrong with a little guaranteed later on. This would help cover and failed business investments as long as you don’t leverage the future money in anything.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 30, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have all of the money upfront since its interest free
but then again I don’t wear bling and white hats and fur coats.
you should start a bling, white hat, and fur coat friday at your work
by Greg Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be pretty sweet
but I need to push for sandals and flip-flops first.
Haynesworth fails his conditioning test
and hes forced to sit out practice and training camp. .. sign me up for that lol
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
And as far as no-trade contracts
Both Manny and Kuroda have no-trade clauses, Furcal has limited no-trade control (after this season, Furcal will have 5-10 year protection).
I think both Manny and Kuroda
would exercise their rights to stay in LA if given the choice.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 30, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Furcal could be a monster haul if sold.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
He is on the plan where he plays well every other year.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
So who would we play that would be better?
Its a big assumption to assume he won’t be good next year.
{shrugs shoulders}
But you don’t need to be better at shortstop for the deal to work, assuming you get value at other positions. I mean, the guy’s slugging went up over 100 points this year. He’s battled injuries, is old, is currently having an MVP year and this is the last year before a no-trade clause kicks in.
Seems like a reasonable time to sell high.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Indeed
but no one in the pennant race could use him except for the Padres/Twins/White Sox/Cardinals. Actually that is a lot.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
you assume he keeps hitting like Jesus
he also has crazy odd year/even year splits.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 30, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Furcal has an option for 2012?
I thought it was just three years through 2011?
It doesn't mean we're giving up
We’re getting Ryan Theriot!
He bh, OT
…when are you going to be in Japan? We’re going over mid-month for ten days to visit our son near Hiroshima. Perhaps we’ll pass in the airport!
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 30, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
This is pretty quiet for the day before the deadline
Although the Blue Jays just acquired Mike Jacobs. I guess they like him better than Brett Wallace…
I'm not the biggest Wallace fan
but for a team losing their 1st baseman this winter it was a curious decision.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
No way we are selling before the deadline
but it will be curious if Ned tries to push some of them through waivers if we fall out very quickly.
So, who writes the series preview today?
Current odds are.
Eric Stephen 2:3
Phil Gurnee 3:2
Michael White 4:1
David Young: 7:1
Bradon Lennox: 20:1
Eric is the favorite?
He’s never written one.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Not exactly insider info
since our names are attached to the previews.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
We just played the Giants, do we need a preview?
I’m not writing one. Eric has never written a series perview this year why such great odds for him?
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
I would put it at like 1000:1 or something
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Are these
from running your sim 10,000 times?
We do need a new thread
but I got nothing to say. Other then leave Belliard alone.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
A recap
of World Series championship years for the Giants in SF?
I would guess no preview is the favorite :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm going to put up a silly little post
to take us to a new thread for lunch.
by meercatjohn on Jul 30, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I am writing the series preview. There will be superfluous exclamation marks and capital letters.
by silverwidow on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Write the all-homegrown series preview
For 2012 or 2013
You should
be able to swing a guest post for any Dodgers vs. Nationals game preview where Strasburg is pitching.
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