Dodgers Offense Shows Ray Of Light, But They Still Lose
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 10:14 PM PDT
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PrintThe Dodgers five runs tonight qualifies as an offensive explosion of late, although the Tim Lincecum and Aubrey Huff-led Giants held on for a 6-5 victory in the opening game of the series. Huff had a single, a double, and a triple tonight, and made two nice defensive plays in the outfield, one a catch and one a relay throw from the right field corner.
Trailing 6-2 in the ninth, the Dodgers made it interesting, getting the go-ahead run on base. With Jeremy Affeldt on the disabled list and their bullpen devoid of a lefty, Giants manager Bruce Bochy summoned starter Jonathan Sanchez, who threw 95 pitches two days ago, to pitch to Andre Ethier and James Loney. Sanchez struck out Ethier, but hit Loney. Chris Ray allowed an RBI single to Matt Kemp, but retired Casey Blake on a grounder to end the game.
Carlos Monasterios took the loss, allowing five runs in five innings, although two of those runs were inherited by Jeff Weaver in the sixth.
Since the All-Star break the Dodgers have scored 35 runs in 15 games, an average of just 2.33 runs per game, and are hitting .209/.276/.308 during that span.
Rafael Furcal had three hits and a walk, the eighth time this year he has reached base at least four times in a game.
Chad Billingsley, on short rest, faces Barry Zito tomorrow afternoon on Fox, in a game that will start just after the trade deadline passes.
WP - Tim Lincecum (11-4): 7 IP, 7 hits, 2 runs, 2 walks, 9 strikeouts
LP - Carlos Monasterios (3-3): 5+ IP, 7 hits, 4 runs, 3 strikeouts
Sv - Chris Ray (2): 1/3 IP, 1 hit
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14 hours and 43 minutes
Until the next game. And some deadline too.
Dodgers are missing a right handed power bat to go up against the left handers.
Pods, Ethier, Loney, DeWitt…too lefty.
can someone post the link to dodger talk when its time?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 30, 2010 10:19 PM PDT reply actions
Just go to KABC.com, and click on listen live
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The Astros wanted a major league-ready starting pitcher, the source said, adding that the Dodgers “don’t have anybody who fits between Billingsley and the minor leagues.”
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dodgers-fyi-20100731,0,5264569.story
so he can strike out there
instead of Blake?
/unabashed, unsupported mannybashing
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
They should have pinch hit GA for Blake, knowing SF has no lefties to face him. That’s how bad I think Blake has been.
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
Unfortunately, GA does horrible against both lefties and righties so it wouldn't matter.
vs RHP: .195 / .213 / .489
vs LHP: .154 / .207 / .515
Because you can never have enough non-stories
Sources: #Cubs have multiple proposals out on Lilly. #Dodgers in, but still apart on $$$/players. Similar spot with #Pirates’ Maholm.
Deadline is coming on maybe the worst possible day
Tomorrow/next day will determine if the Dodgers should really be sellers. However, they have to pull the trigger before tomorrow’s game is played.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Eric, some respite is in order for you:
Hot Shots! is on Encore right now.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
If anyone is watching, Tony Jackson was the one who asked that last question “did you say they were fighting all night?”
One-run games
The Dodgers have lost five straight one-run games on the road and are 5-10 in such road games this season.
They are 13-4 at home in one-run games this year.
The one-run game tally
was bound to even out.
Still, no fun.
Last time I checked, the Dodgers were lousy when scoring 5 or more. Teams should win, like, 75-80% of those games, but Dodgers were much lower. I assume they are still poor in this regard… Today didn’t help.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
They would have been better for both our tallies if they stopped at four runs tonight :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh
Yeah. And I woulda done even better in Xei’s pool if Sanchez hadn’t thrown one to the backstop and instead got Ethier to GIDP!
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
More seriously
This is what I was trying to get at in my fan post a few weeks back. At that point, had the Dodgers been lucky or unlucky or both? Both — lucky in their one-run games but unlucky when scoring five or more.
Since then, it’s been all bad luck. Their one-run games have evened out quite a bit but they are still lousy when scoring five or more.
Unfortunately, we’re running out of season for that luck to even out.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
They are 32-16
When they score 5 or more runs though they are only 5-10 when they score 5 runs.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 30, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
So they win 2/3 when scoring 5 or more
And if I understand correctly, that’s actually pretty bad. An “average” team should win more often than that. Am I wrong?
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
They are pretty much on par when the score 6 or more. 10 losses when you score 5 runs is a lot though.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 30, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Good to know
thanks
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I am aware
I read your work! :)
Just point out a recent trend
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
He always sounded like a stereotypical Bostonian. “Yeah, we wanted to trade for him because he’s wicked awesome, and….hey, I’m trying to paaaahhhk the cahhhhhhhhhh.”
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be in class! For 4.5 hours!
I will run home, eager to see what new gift Dodger brass have gotten for us, knowing full well that there will be nothing but shit in my gift box and candy stolen from my stocking.
Remember
even if there is no deal at 1, that doesn’t mean a deal hasn’t been made, as long as you get the paperwork to MLB by 1, the deal can be completed even after that time.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh hadn't even thought of that...
but no, he’s too expensive for the Dodgers, no?
Not sure why he’s then not too expensive for Pittsburgh then.
Eric, link: http://twitter.com/nickpiecoro/status/19970084042
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Heard this: Dodgers will get Granick tomorrow at 1.
Haha.
by silverwidow on Jul 30, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Heard this: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
You have to put it in a quote box
And put the hash mark before the team name if you want people to believe you.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone on DT today questioned why I said I'd give up top prospects to acquire Zack Greinke.
Cited his won-loss record this year as evidence. :-/
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
OK, before I sleep
I just want to say, Fuck you, Jim Hendry.
Per Bruce Levine of ESPN Chicago (via MOKM):
The Dodgers would like to obtain both Lilly and second baseman Ryan Theriot. The Cubs have asked for second baseman Blake DeWitt back as part of any trade. The Dodgers have no money to take on the contracts of Lilly and Theriot due to the pending divorce between the team’s owners. Dodger GM Ned Colletti is doing his best to be creative to try to make this deal happen.
Lilly fine, losing DeWitt for Theriot, NO.
Don’t do it Ned.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
That's not funny
‘cause, y’know, really — he just might.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the part I don't get
The Dodgers would like to obtain both Lilly and second baseman Ryan Theriot.
I understand the Cubs saying, OK, you want Lilly, you gotta take Theriot, and the Dodgers saying, let’s see what we can work out.
But the Dodgers want to obtain Theriot? Why?
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
But that goes against what was said earlier tonight from Dylan H
and others. That the Dodgers were focused on Lilly and not as interested in taking on Theriot. That could be wrong. Or the cubs guy could be talking out of his butt too. Honestly, we don’t know with all the rumors flying what is gossip or plain wrong, and what has truthiness.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
That is the most discouraging part
And will likely affect my dreams tonight.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 11:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I should clarify
I can’t blame the Cubs for asking, but if that deal happens like that I start stabbing people.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2010 11:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Normally
I consider myself the reasonable one around here but I would buy Eric the knife and give him a alibi when someone started asking questions.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 30, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Look
you could deal Dewitt, that wouldn’t bother me but I just don’t see what advantage you get with Theriot. Shoot deal Dewitt and play Carroll there everyday you want, that’s cool with me.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 30, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats probably it.
If the Dodgers deal Dewitt for Lilly, then they’d need an infield to replace Dewitt.
They probably feel more comfortable with Theriot, than Hu/Castro.
I’m puzzled why the Cubs are obsessed w/DeWitt. Thought they’d target our pitching prospects.
by silverwidow on Jul 30, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
what's the price difference between theriot and dewitt?
i find it strange the dodgers would give up a cheap, average/decent player
They will get a pitching prospect
I am surprised too, its the first time I have heard Dewitt being mentioned in any deal.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 30, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
jesus I hate kabc
‘why do the poor people get all the breaks’
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 PM PDT reply actions
So what have we learned tonight?
- Dodgers’ luck in one-run games is over
- Dodgers really suck when scoring exactly five
- Dodgers have no idea what is ailing the team and which players will help them solve those ills
- Dodgers have no idea if they can make the postseason this year or what htey are going to do next year
The Omar Moreno of this blog
and with that, kids, the gin is drunk, and i’m going to bed. Good night, everybody!
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 30, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
We have seen this Dodger team have slumps before, the Phillies had one like this and that was before all their guys got hurt.
A good team probably finishes around break even in one run games.
The 5 run thing is probably a strange coincidence, more indicative of inconsistent starting pitching,
by bhsportsguy on Jul 30, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
well that sucked
my dad and I spent most of the game arguing, and and I kid you not, we were getting heated about whether or not AT&T is a beautiful park, what year it opened, and how tall Jamey Carroll actually is…we need to win..
tempers cooled after we popped season 3 of the office in for a bit after the game : )
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Funny you mention this; I’m reading how they plan to write Carell’s character out after Season 7.
by silverwidow on Jul 30, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
yea I've heard a bit about that as well
for me though, the show fell off pretty much after season 3 and bits of season 4..I can watch seasons 1-2-3 endlessly, but after that, the writing just went down hill
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I don't think the righting is that much worse
I’m just sick of the Carrel character. I love Carrell, but I can’t take his “higincs” anymore.
yea well I think they transformed Michael
from a character that was uncomfortably awkward, but still had half a brain, into a character that was more of a naive idiot really. I think the show lost its dry, sublt humor that I loved so much and started to revolve more around story lines and “slap sticky” humor…I think thats because the level of creativeness in writing declined
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
On Bart going home from game.
It was great, except for all the giant fans. We were ten feet from the pen. Awesoke! Never been that close before. I was heckled lightly due to my daughter being with me. Kemp looks awful at bat. So off. Brox is a manbeast in person. Let’s go get’em tomorrow.
by Skunkburner on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Seriously
if we trade Dewitt to the cubs and it doesn’t somehow involve A Ramirez coming back, then Colleti is a big fat failure as a gm and I’ll go into hibernation until he and mccourt are gone. Plus I will burn my neighbors houses to the ground.
Talk about big fat failures
look at Aramis this year
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
If last night was bad
I can’t imagine where we are now… And where we will be after 1 PT… (looking at you, Ned)
If the eyes are the windows to the soul, then these sunglasses are the curtains telling you to keep the fuck out!!!
i'm a little happy i missed this game.
so, mlbtr says maybe lilly AND theriot? shit, maybe then beard can rest up a bit and blake dewitt can finally play 3rd. or gamer, cause he can obviously do it all.
Kenley Jansen > Mariano Rivera
Suppose this was discussed earlier...
Pirates supposedly want Elbert and McDonald for Maholm. As bad as that sounds, I ‘d rather Ned do that then give up Dewitt and who knows who else for Lilly and that stiff Theriot. It’s going to be a long seven-plus hours.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 5:44 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah, that is much better than the proposed Cubs deal. Agreed that the next few hours could be rough.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 6:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Today is going to suck
when we lose DePatience for Terry-o and Lilly. Am I wrong in thinking that we don’t need Lilly or Terry-o? Terry-o is not as good as DeWitt. While Lilly will make the 5th spot better, I hate that we have to take on another Jamey Carroll to make the deal. If we are going to make a deal for something, maybe we can trade owners or bank statements with another team?
Yes I know I typed Terry-o like 3 times. I think I hate him because of his name.
Wandy Rodriguez may be available
He is under team control thru 2011. After a horrid start, he has been really good for about a month. Only making $5M next year.
Too bad Drayton and Ed would want Kuo, Gordon, Kershaw, and Kemp for Wandy and a Low A prospect. :)
Rosenthal
Decision day for #Cubs. Lilly could go to #Dodgers. #Twins, #Tigers, #Yankees varying interest. Theriot alive w #Dodgers, (more) #MLB
So we could lose Lilly and still get Theriot?
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 6:27 AM PDT reply actions
More
#Yankees and as Denver Post reported, Theriot-for-Kelly Johnson has been discussed. “Minor sniffs” on Nady, Fontenot as well
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions
It goes right along with the theme of this deadline
Apparently:
mediocre in the majors > prospect w/ potential
he makes peanuts
already shows he can be avg offensively for his position with room for improvement. there’s ton of value in that.
As a second baseman, he's a cheaper upgrade
Unless all you care about is BA
DeWitt: .270/.352/.371/.723/99/.980Fielding%
Theriot: .284/.320/.327/.647/69/.974Fielding%
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if Ned kicked the tires on Cody Ross
before getting the Pod
Uh oh
SI_JonHeyman
#dodgers, #cubs discussing ted lilly but need chicago to pay much or all of the $4 mil left. twins, tigers, mets, yanks less likely
Sounds like the Dodgers can’t afford the money. That means GOOD prospects will leave. Fuck it!!!!!!!!!!!
I can’t wait till the divorce proceedings start so that they are then closer to finishing and then the McCourts will have to sell the team and we can get a real owner who can afford to spend an extra $4 million in the nation’s second largest media market.
Don't bank on it
The McCourts have shown (like the O’Malleys before) is that you just put out a competitive product, fans will come to the stadium. No need to spend a lot of money. That is just the plain truth.
But Frank can not afford the team and the spousal support as is. So if he has to pay alimony that is even higher than the $600k now he has no other assets to sell other than the team. Just read that ESPN mag article on them very shocking that he defaulted on one loan and how much he had to borrow to get the team and that MLB allowed it.
He affords the current team
As far as we know payroll is being me, vendors are being paid.
The biggest mistake is anyone thinking a new ownership would do anything different, in particular when you are probably close to maxing out revenue.
The TV money will not change things in 2013. The Dodgers may not make as much money as some, they still make around $40M a year in their FSW/KCAL contracts. I can’t see a cable channel deal working out much better.
Well
if they are maxing out revenue / cost the budget is where it is at because of the extra debt leverage. To say a new owner would not have more budget to work with suggests any new owner would also buy the team totally leveraged. If I buy my business with 5% down I’m paying debt on 95% and plowing much of my revenue into the debt, but if I buy the business with 30-50% down I have much more cash flow to direct to myself or the business.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I agree with that
Since that is the one thing that has not come out yet from the discovery phase of the dissolution litigation (that is how much they are paying each year in debt service).
But my overall point that a new ownership automatically means more payroll flexibility still stands.
Its not as if the McCourts are putting all the max revenue they received from the Dodgers and putting it back into the team. They’re drawing out as much as possible to further their own personal spending. Its their rights as owners, but you can’t just say the Dodgers can’t be better run.
The funds are being tapped out because of the owner’s personal spending, not because the Dodgers maxed out their revenue.
I think it would be higher. If teams like the Cubs, Mets, Phillies can support mid 100+ payrolls, so can the Dodgers.
Even if it does stay the same, new ownership would bring in a new organizational philosophy such as not trading prospects for veteran salaries.
New ownership probably could, BH is making the argument that a new owner like the O’Malley’s might just say fuck it and keep making money without raising payroll.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Except no owner like the O’Malleys would not have the money to buy the team this time. Whether Bud Selig pushed the sale of the Dodgers to Frank McCourt or not, I think this time, they would want a stable ownership of the Dodgers for the next go around.
If the Dodgers certainly have to ‘live’ with in their means, I honestly think its much more they have shown in terms of payrolls.
You ignore the idea of financial players getting involved. PE Funds are jackals (and would be very well capitalized but it wouldn’t matter), and they would come in and maximize NCF, meaning dropping payroll to the lowest point possible to still maintain income levels.
Not everybody is in it for the love of the fans (like the McCourts) plenty of smart people would look at it as an opportunity to make a lot more money for themselves.
Things can always get worse, and its not simply a question of having a strong balance sheet.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve always been a guy who’d rather stick with the devil you know.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
He’ll need more cash, and it will be really difficult to pull off, but at least we know Frank is well-intentioned to an extent. He does want to win and wants to be loved. He’s got serious ego problems with his love of houses and that bullshit, but an infusion of new would come with restrictions that would probably be good for us.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
When was the last time a corporation bought a team? The Braves in 07? Its really hard for a standard corporation to make money in baseball. Just look at the FOX years, they treated it like the red headed stepchild.
It wouldn’t have to be a corporation per se. Just somebody with that sort of background.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
They are not diverting money
they are borrowing against it. In the end, they will have to pay it back.
Don't think I've ever seen this much angst over a starting 2nd baseman who has
exactly one home on Aug 1st. Sure he’s cheap, and he gets on base, and that is where the upside ends. So while I wouldn’t be trading DeWitt for 2010 rental help, the idea of trading DeWitt doesn’t strike me as a problem.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I find it amusing
Now, you want a team that is selling, look no further than Arizona. I wonder if they would trade SCY if they could find a buyer.
I think they made a good deal on EJax
so Scherzer got them two young cost controlled starters in Kennedy/Hudson. Neither has the upside of Scherzer but together the value is > Scherzer. Given the Dodger situation they might have been better spinning Chad off into two starters like that instead of just Chad.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
There value would have to be > Scherzer and whatever other pitcher would have filled the second spot plus the balance of the two salaries, but yeah I can’t imagine the DBacks not winning out in this deal.
What I don’t understand is then getting Crosby and Church for Snyder. I expected them to get prospects back.
I like Cetera.
For me, it’s specifically the trading of him for Theriot and/or a Lilly rental that’s the problem. I’d be happy to move him in an upgrade, or if Lilly would agree to an extension, or even if I thought DeJesus was ready to step in next year.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Gammons just said that he thinks that if Withrow is put in the Lilly trade that the Cubs will pick up more of the salary
If Wandy Rod is available
he’s who I’d go after much more then Maholm.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
FWIW, Rosenthal/Morosi say the Lastros are fielding inquiries, maybe Ned’s involved. He’s a guy I’ve wanted for awhile.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone matches up with them
just give them some MLB slop and a couple Low-A prospects and you can get whoever you want. Go ask for Michael Bourn while you’re at it.
I like Cetera.
Definitely
From a talent perspective, no brainer. Not sure what his contract is like.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Like WIll Carroll tweeted
I, too, am surprised that he is 31.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotta love the McCourts
Won’t add payroll, won’t spend in the draft or overseas. You could live with one, but the combo leads to Santana and other disasters.
by oshea2002 on Jul 31, 2010 8:28 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
The White Sox made a failed run at Manny Ramirez, report Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
because of this part
Ramirez has over $7MM remaining on his contract, and Rosenthal tweets that the Sox wanted the Dodgers to pay all but $1MM and did not want to send any players to Los Angeles. This was apparently what Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times was referring to when he said GM Kenny Williams was trying to “shock the world” before yesterday’s Edwin Jackson trade.
Yeah, ok Kenny. Make us pay everything and give us no prospects. Sounds fair.
link
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
They paid all but $1 million, but we was only owed something like $2.5 million IIRC. Reasonably large difference.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Just because teams do it
that doesn’t mean it’s a good deal. Thome had about 3 meaningful PA’s with us. Manny would be the DH every day. No comparison between the two.
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
FMcCourtBosox4Ever:
Do it, Ned! #Dodgers can save $1 mil! W00t!
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Give Kenny Manny, Kuroda, etc for Beckham and prospects.
by oshea2002 on Jul 31, 2010 8:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is stupid
All CHW needs to do is make a decent offer and they get Manny
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t even care if he does well for the Sox, I think this team needs a big shake up for moral and this might be the move to do it.
I don’t care if he does well either. I just don’t think he’ll be of any more help to LAD, so to get any player back for him is a good result.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Same here. No hard feelings. 2008 was awesome.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
2008 was great
But don’t you feel that it is diminished somewhat considering we can say with near certainty that Manny was juicing during his great run?
Didn’t mean to come off as overly angry. I just meant that the White Sox would getting something of value were they to trade for him.
I didnt take it angry… But its fair to be since we gave him $$$ and he has been hurt all year.
Chitown has been good for Jones..
Dunn’s healthier, younger and more reliable.
However, I would fully endorse this deal
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would throw in some minor prospects to that as well.. Question is does Ejack want back in dodger blue..
and, as Tripon says below
Dodgers might not want EJ back
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re asking Ned Colletti he made a mistake with Jackson, and that is something he may not want to do.
I dunno. Colletti seems fairly ego-free when it comes to that kind of thing. He picked up Danys Baez and got rid of him, etc.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Silver Lining
Driving / moving back to LA from NY, and rolling through Chicago this weekend. Buddy there said beers on him tonite if we give them Withrow and DeWitt while taking The Riot.
by oshea2002 on Jul 31, 2010 8:36 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
If the Brewers with the smallest TV market
can have a payroll around $90 million, and the Dodgers are only at $102 million despite being in the 2nd largest market, something is up.
is Selig technically the owner of the Brewers?
not entirely clear on his ties to that club
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Tripon
You are assuming the Brewers are spending based on team revenue, when in fact team owners sometimes decide to go “in the red” for a year or a few years. The owners who do that have personal wealth to draw upon.
Well, one thing is sure
Even if the Dodgers don’t make the deal until close to the deadline, DeWitt won’t be in the lineup today (likely, against Zito) so the speculation will run the same no matter what.
Whoa - SD is in it
from Tom Krasovic:
#Three-way deal. Padres get Ludwick. Cardis get Westbrook and prospect from SDP. Indians get prospects. Pending union OK
new update
from Joel Sherman
Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that he thinks the Padres have fallen out of this deal and it’s just going to be the Cardinals and Indians dealing.
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
it sounds like, from various tweets and on MLB Network, that the Westbrook to StL part is done, and the Padres are working on Ludwick now.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
MLBTR
Ludwick to the Padres has a 90% chance of going down, tweets Dan Hayes of the North County Times.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Having lost three out of four
to the Padres and Giants, I hope we don’t make any “rental” trades, or trades just for the sake of “making trades”. (/end Mr Obvious)
For those keeping track
After today, here are the salaries owed:
Lilly: $4,196,721
Theriot: $909,290
DeWitt: $143,388
Manny: $6,994,536, to be spread over three years:
2011: $1,748,634
2012: $3,497,268
2013: $1,748,634
I walked in the room late
Did I hear him right—Dodgers still might do the Manny/White Sox deal for more salary relief and players?
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
basically
he described the White Sox effort as a “last chance half court shot that’s still in the air”
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
That is who Rosenthal is saying the Dodgers asked for
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Cuban born player who signed a $20 million plus contract with the White Sox.
Playing 3B, but is thought to be too fat and slow for the position, and will switch to 1B eventually.
Oops, its only for 10 million
Dayan Viciedo 3b-of
4 years/$10M (2009-12)
* 4 years/$10M (2009-12)
o signed Major League contract with White Sox 12/12/08 as an amateur free agent from Cuba (via Mexico and US)
o $4M signing bonus
o 09:$1M, 10:$1.25M, 11:$1.25M, 12:$2.5M
o if Viciedo has enough service time to qualify for arbitration after 2011, he may void 2012 season (if voided, club may exercise option at $3.5M)
o award bonuses: $15,000 for Silver Slugger; $25,000 each for Gold Glove, All Star start ($15,000 for All Star selection); $50,000 for TSN All Star; $75,000 for LCS MVP; $0.1M for WS MVP; $0.1M for MVP ($90,000 for 2nd in vote, $80,000 for 3rd, $70,000 for 4th, $60,000 for 5th)
* agent: Scott Boras (previously Jaime Torres)
* ML service: 0.000
Henson:
Reason Dodgers are looking for another OF even after Podsednik is that they’d love to deal Manny. They just don’t want to eat the $7M.
Another outfielder?
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 9:35 AM PDT reply actions
Manny is not getting paid any 2010 salary this season.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
It is $6,994,536, and would be paid from 2011-2013.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Manny Ramirez lf
2 years/$45M (2009-10)* 2 years/$45M (2009-10)
o re-signed by LA Dodgers as free agent 3/4/09
o 09:$25M, 10:$20M (voidable)
o Ramirez must decide whether to opt out of final year of deal before fifth day after 2009 World Series or Nov. 10, whichever is later
o $30M deferred without interest:
+ for 2009, Ramirez receives $10M in 2009 and $15M in 3 installments of $5M paid each June 30, 2010 to 2012
+ if Ramirez does not opt out, he receives $5M in 2010 and $15M in 3 installments of $3,333,333 each on June 30, 2011 and 2012, and $8,333,333 on June 30, 2013
He still gets $5 million this year.
how much would the white sox have to pay the dodgers dream foundation/think cure?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Cot’s is incorrect. I have talked to people who have a more direct source to the contract.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not like I have been keeping it secret. I have a payroll worksheet which is always accessible on the right sidebar.
Here is Manny’s section:
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/1/14/720656/dodger-payroll#manny
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Tom Krasovic
Union has approved trade. #Padres get Ludwick. #Cardinals get Westbrook, Padres give up two prospects.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 9:40 AM PDT reply actions
Jayson Stark
Sounds like #Cubs likely to send both Lilly & Theriot to #Dodgers. Doesn’t sound like Manny’s heading for either side of Chicago.
Goodbye DeWitt.
You know, I would have been less pissed off he was traded for Sherrill last year if it meant keeping Josh Bell.
But now losing both DeWitt and Bell for Sherrill, Lilly and Theriot.
Well, fuck that.
Fuck that
in the eyesocket.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
ESPN Rumors
UPDATE: ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark writes Saturday that it would be an upset if Lilly were traded anywhere but to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Money is still the holdup, which is also stalling an agreement on the players that will be involved.
Stark adds that there is clear momentum toward a trade between the two clubs, however.
11:35pm: The Dodgers asked the White Sox for Dayan Viciedo in exchange for Ramirez, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com on Twitter. The Manny market is heating up, according to Yahoo’s Tim Brown on Twitter. The Rays, White Sox and a mystery team are all involved.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 9:42 AM PDT reply actions
Nice, create a demand… MOVE MANNY..
Some how this would make me really happy and yet when we got him it made me happy also..
theoretically
whats the best we could get for Manny. Just prospects or do you think Ned is trying to get an MLB OF?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Why would a team in the hunt give up a major league outfielder for a DH?
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Because the DH can probably hit well enough to take the defensive hit. Or they have another OF on the bench they can achieve with.
If we do trade Manny to the White Sox, the fact that Juan Pierre, Andruw Jones, and Manny on the same team again would be fucking hilarious as well.
by Tripon on Jul 31, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d settle for enough salary relief that Ned wouldn’t need to ship extra prospects to the Cubs.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
He is still earning the salary in this season.
If a team trades for him, they will owe him that money, presumably on the same schedule unless he works out a different deal.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Ned's not trading him
especially not for Lilly
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Called the activity on Manny!
You know, obviously depending on who we send for Theriot/Lilly, maybe we’re going to flip Theriot and Manny to the mystery team….Yankees anyone?
I think the Yankees had interest in Theriot, and they'll
make room for Manny.
now if we could get something decent in return
such as a solid 3B prospect…i wouldn’t mind this as much
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Who do you think the mystery team is?
Rays had some interest apparently.
As a Raider fan, I would rather not have someone continually whining about the past.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
probably nothing
we have to pay his deferred salary anyways. vicideo is interesting, toolsy bat but far from a ready product.
0 BB’s in 59 PA’s lol. But he’s only K’d 6 times which really isn’t too bad
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s a market for Manny.
DeWitt is possibly gone.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
HA from heyman
manny appears amenable to going to the #chisox. but the #dodgers want big prospects back.
fuckin good. lets be on this end sometime.
Probably need to give up more than Manny
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Dueling ESPN-ites
Olney: “Just wondering: Why would the Dodgers not want to move Manny Ramirez, to shed dollars and perhaps create room for other stuff?”
Stark: “Why would #Dodgers trade Manny now? A) he’d clear waivers. B) LA desperate for offense. C) Manny needs to hit to get a job next year”
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 10:00 AM PDT reply actions
the funny thing is
both guys make good points
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
The answer to Stark is easy, just that they don’t think he will be healthy enough to play the field often enough. Also, the salary relief pushes the deal over the top.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly, this is what national media, AND I HOPE other teams willing to deal don’t understand. He can’t or won’t play the field.
Won’t is not an issue.
He had two MRIs on his latest injury. An actual medical procedure that costs money. He is legitimately hurt. Stop letting Peter Gammons pollute your thoughts.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Gammons couldn’t even bring himself to discuss Manny just now, all he could say something about how the story “was good for this network.”
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Too bad Manny can't go to the Reds.
Imagine TO, Ocho cinco, and Manny in the same city.
The other two guys aren’t in Manny’s league.
Manny’s a hall of famer with 2 rings in a box. The other two are laughingstocks.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Conflicting reports
kengurnick
The Dodgers have been contacted about Manny Ramirez by several teams, including the White Sox, but the Dodgers won’t give him away. 6 minutes ago via web
"won't give him away"
i think that means they want something significant in return. Earlier Chicago tried to get him for literally nothing, and have the Dodgers pick up his salary
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
hah is this another example of ‘hey that colletti is a rube, get him on the phone and see if we can get Manny for extra copies of the phone book’
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Good question. I thought last year was but to be honest I don’t remember.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I would like to see a NYY vs SD World Series and see SD win just because of the payroll difference and lineups it would be awesome
NOOOO the madres have to falter towards the end of the season
by IeatMidgets on Jul 31, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Just woke up and saw the Padres trade. They made a fantastic move, even if they gave up 2 nice arms. Ludwick is automatically their 2nd best position player.
He always seems to kill the Dodgers too.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
why would you pay to watch the nfl preseason?
by UCLADodger32 on Jul 31, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Give me $20 to kick you in the nuts. A better deal :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Off topic- most cost effective option for internet provider in Los Angeles?
Need help with this one. Thanks all!
Dbacks trade with Pirates
Dbacks get
Ryan Church
Bobby Crosbey
DJ Carrasco
Pirates get
CHris Snyder
Pedro Ciriaco
Cash..
wtf is that
why would az want a couple of shitty vets? not say they got robbed or anything, I just want to know what they want with Crosby and Church.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
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