Ted Lilly Finally Comes Home, At A Cost
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 31, 2010 11:10 AM PDT
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PrintThe full deal isn't known yet, but it appears done. Per Joel Sherman of the New York Post:
The full deal, per Ken Gurnick of MLB.com:
Dodgers acquire Ted Lilly, Ryan Theriot and $2.5 million for Blake DeWitt, Brett Wallach and Kyle Smit
Ted Lilly was but a Aaron Miller when he was traded to the defunct Expo's at the age of 22, after being the Dodgers 23rd round pick in the 1996 draft. Lilly was not the centerpiece of the deal, Peter Bergeron was. Lilly climbed to AAA in a very short period, and was a good prospect when he was dealt.
July 31, 1998: Traded by the Los Angeles Dodgers with Jonathan Tucker (minors), Peter Bergeron and Wilton Guerrero to the Montreal Expos for Hiram Bocachica, Mark Grudzielanek and Carlos Perez.
One year later he was in the major leagues with the Expos. Once Lilly became a full time starter with Yankee's in 2001 he's been one of the most consistent LH pitchers this decade plying his trade for the Expos, Yankees, A's, BlueJays, and Cubs. In 2007 he signed a four year deal with the Cubs and fulfilled every bit of his contract. Since joining the NL he has not had a WHIP above 1.226 and his ERA+ has been as high as 145 in 2008.
He didn't get started in 2010 until late April because of minor surgery but again, he's been Mr. Consistent, and any team would be happy to have him in their rotation. The only problem with Ted Lilly being a Dodger is that he will only be a Dodger for two months, and it is doubtful his two months anchoring the back end of the rotation will make a hill of beans difference in the Dodgers plight this year. We will have traded some of our future, for the present, but when the future is done on Oct 3rd, the future will have only Kershaw and Billingsley in the rotation.
With a salary of $12,000,000 in 2010, no way will the Dodgers be offering him arbitration so his being a Type A is not going to mean much. The Dodgers could have signed Lilly in the winter of 2006 instead of Jason Schmidt, if so history might be different. Ned has tried to make up for that mistake by acquiring him now, but his penchant for trading the future for the present is gutting the Dodgers of some fine cost controlled players.
This team has bigger problems then trying to compete for a 2010 playoff spot, they need some players for 2011, and trading your starting second baseman for a 2010 rental borders on massive incompetence. This is not a playoff team, and Ted Lilly or PodBoy is not going to change that.
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You know the saying “Even if you put lipstick on a pig, it still a pig”? Well, in that scenario, I always imagined putting lipstick around the mouth of the pig. Trading a cost controlled league average 2B for 10 starts of Lilly and shitty ass Theriot is like putting lipstick around the pigs behind area. We didnt even put the damn lipstick in the right place!
I'm done
I’m done with this season. This is rediculous. Ned is selling his soul for nothing. I fucking Hate Colleti. I can’t even begin to fathom the point of this deal.
DodgertownUSA
DeWitt telling media right now that he’s headed to Cubs. “It comes as a surprise.”
Take care bud.
Dewitt never got a real chance
It took not being able to afford a real starting 2B to get him a shot. You may not have been the best player, Blake, but you tried your damndest. Fuck, his defense got to be really good too.
Screw you Ned.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Let me just go on record as saying I like Ted Lilly and am perfectly fine that he's on my team.
But (no offense to Theriot) the rest of the deal can bite me.
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Jaysonst:
Deal done. #Cubs sending Lilly & Theriot to Cubs for Blake DeWitt & minor lgers Brett Walch & Kyle Smit. LA also gets $2.5M. #trades
Well I could care less about Smit
but Wallach was decent prospect no?
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But MLBN just said it was a win for the Dodgers and a deal they had to make!
MLBN knows all!
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NO NO NO
THERE IS NO EXCUSE. This is a piss poor stupid trade. No matter how much money they are getting back. This doesn’t even help the team. Our pitching has been a strength, our offense is killing us. So we trade starters.
This is so fucking stupid.
I can’t fathom what Ned is thinking here.
I usually don't like him but he's the voice of reason here. Which is scary.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
We're not going to have a team in 2013 at this rate.
Seriously.
Its going to Kershaw, Withrow, Miller, and who else in the rotation, and Sands manning all three OF positions at this rate.
I don't like this trade at all but how does losing DeWitt and Brett Wallach ruin the 2013 team?
Can we sift out the hyperbole from the reality here? Or are you worried more about other players going next?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Doing it three years straight hurt the 2013 Dodgers. First Santana, then Josh bell, now DeWitt, and Wallach. That’s 4 starterss out of that group. And its not like we’re drafting and developing their replacements. We just traded our 3B dept for the next several years.
Santana is the obvious one we all miss. I wouldn't make it so obvious that the other 3 guys
would all be starters for them in 2013. But I understand your point.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
This entire debacle is like a slow train wreck
you see it unfolding, and you cant do anything about it but watch everything slowly crunch together and then fall apart. Wow….just wow.
in 3 years blake dewitt will be hitting 300 for the cubs
lilly will be pitching for the yankees, theriot hitting on high school girls at a mall in encino trying to lure them into his camaro, and the starting 2b for the don mattingly-managed la dodgers – juan uribe
by lchristmas on Jul 31, 2010 11:16 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Cubs fan here
Hate to be Debbie Downer on you guys, but Theriot absolutely sucks. However, you guys WILL fall in love with Lilly. He’s a beast. He’s probably been my favorite Cub for the whole last decade. Anyone care to give me a scouting report on DeWitt?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions
DeWitt is better than Theriot in every way.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Lilly will be here for 10 starts and thats it.
When you’re already way behind in the race, it doesnt matter.
The Phillies are better than the Dodgers.
So are the Giants.
If you look at run differential….Dodgers are around 7 games back of the WC.
I like Lilly too
Theriot seems a bench player, And we like DeWItt. I can’t say he’ll be an all star mind you, and he’s been a trooper playing 2nd when he came up as a 3rd baseman. Played better there as of late and did everything management asked of him, Which apparently didn’t matter. :-/
His lack of power has been real disappointing I’ll add. Not much of a slugger. Will give good OBP though.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
If Theriot will be your starting second basemen
Be ready for plenty of errors and TOOTBLAN’s.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I was assuming Carroll will start for now
I’ve been wrong before of course. :-/
But JC has been good and fields very well…
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No power whatsoever (though leading our team in OPS since the AS break)
But he can sure draw a walk and get on base. His defense has improved a ton at 2B over the last year, and he has made some great plays this year. I’m going to miss him.
How bad is Theriots defense?
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Didn't think a Wallach would've been moved.
Reaching for the pitchfork…
You’d think Ned Colletti’s 5yr deal would have given him some restraint about making certain moves.
But no.
He’s still an idiot and should be gone.
From Jay Jaffe
jay_jaffe
Dislike the deal, but do like Lilly quite a bit. Rather see Dodgers re-sign him than Randy Wolf. 3.75 SIERA, .542 SNWP, 7.6 K/9 as Cub.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I agree with Jaffe on that point (he hates everything else about trade so agree with him there too)
and about re signing him but what is depressing is Dodgers will cheap out and not offer him arbitration.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Yes, which is why I mind moving DeWitt. This sucks.
Made a move simply to make a move. Which is that PR BS, but they did it anyway.
The trade should have been just
DeWitt for Lilly and Theriot.
The Wallach part of the trade
Was the Wallach part of the trade away of letting Tim Wallach know he will never manage the Dodgers?
Not necessarily. I've seen franchises trade away relatives before
and still keep the family around. I wouldn’t go there yet.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I equate Dodger fanaticism
to drug addiction. at times its euphoric. most of the time is a downer. and u can hate it all you want , but you just cant help yourself
Smit no. Wallach yes.
Not an A or B+ prospect, but B-, something lke that?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Lineup!
Podsednik LF, Furcal SS, Kemp CF, Blake 3B, Loney 1B, Martin C, Anderson RF, Carroll 2B, Billingsley P
The people who comment here and pay close attention will hate this, but the average dodger fan and dodger stadium attendee will only care if they do make the playoffs.
This deal could be worth a few more wins since our 5 starter sucks and that is why they did it. I wasn’t in love with DeWitt, but with the future mortgaged we are in trouble regardless of this deal. Not having money is making us make deals that cost too much.
by SLC DODGER FAN on Jul 31, 2010 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
Ted Lilly has a 1.2 WAR for the season, at most, he is worth one more win for the rest of the season.
That is only true if our 5 starters were a 0. I would assume our 5 starters as an average are negative WAR? Yes. Lets put it this way i believe that if he has 10 starts the team has a much better chance of going 7-3 rather than 3-7. Yes? no?
by SLC DODGER FAN on Jul 31, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
before yesterday's start
Monk was -0.1 and Ely was 0.4
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry Ely's 1.2
equal to Lilly. Monk’s now -0.4
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
As bad as the Dodgers 5th starters have been, they are 14-17 in their 31 starts. We aren’t talking 3-7 here. They have been pretty much right at replacement level.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
If the team believe DeWitt is not getting better and they gave up one good prospect then is it that bad?
by SLC DODGER FAN on Jul 31, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
it's theriot.
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
yes
DeWitt is a league average player with one more year near league minimum, plus three more years under club control.
Horrible deal if it was DeWitt alone.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
i think the dodgers now something we dont
something abou the midwest league helpins pitchers numbers out by a lot
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Where has DeWitt's power gone?
After hitting nine homers his rookie year he has hit only three since then.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
How about his defense?
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~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
inexperienced at 2B
but learning. He’s a good defender at third and should eventually be good at 2nd
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
he has solid gap power. He’ll turn on one every once in a while. But he gets a fair number of gappers
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
IF we make the playoffs
Who would you rather have THIS YEAR? Dewitt or Lilly?
DeWitt
since Lilly isn’t better than our top 4 starters
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Depending on who gets optioned to AAA to make room for Lilly, the Dodgers added roughly $2.3 million in payroll in this deal.
Well, I was wrong about Ned
His boneheaded past moves weren’t forced on him by his need to keep his job. He’s got his multi-year contract and he’s still boneheaded. “Borders on massive incompetence” works for me. Come October we’ll have nothing to show for this but Ryan Bleeping Theriot. Bring me that new owner, Judge, I’ll take the devil I don’t know.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions
Here's something that might excite you guys about Lilly...
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions
Only if he punched Shane Victorino or Carlos Ruiz.
by Alex41592 on Jul 31, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
suck on that yadier!
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
well
i’m happy with lilly because now we may have one of the best starting rotations in baseball… on the other hand… WHAT THE FUCK WAS THE POINT IN EXCHANGING DEWITT AND RYAN FUCKING THERIOT! his ops is below ,700 too, FUCK OUTTA HERE!
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
I was getting excited earlier that Ned might actually SELL
and we would get something for Manny, and then this…
Wondering if Ned was on the bench between selling/buying.
If he could work out the Cubs deal: buying.
If he couldn’t, sell Manny to an interested party.
well if it was giving up blake
then maholm would be better cause we’d have him in the future.
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe its good if lilly resigns, but why would he. this team has no money and shitty owners.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
This fucks us so badly for next year. No second baseman and Theriot’s arb-eligibility on the payroll is crippling.
We won’t be able to afford to replace him with someone who is OPSing better than .720 in the offseason.
DeJesus?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
yeah the walk dropoff is big concern
he’s still young and talented though, first full year after injury… I still have hope.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Manny can get traded after today
he’ll clear waivers for sure
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Not now we are buyers… Maybe Manny moves in waivers trade later if we fall far behind. Now we are buyers.
are we buyers?
Did this even make us better?
(yes, i know we’re now buyers in Ned’s mind. I’m just pissed)
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
to be honest, it probably did.
the offense, definitely not. but lilly just made us better.
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
but you're right,
i never said it was worth it. dewitt for theriot is simply retarded.
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by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
the offense got worse and the pitching improved in the #5 slot
i don’t think that’s an overall improvement
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
that pushes monk to the pen.
i really think that helps us.
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It made us better
but not anywhere near enough for it to matter for our playoff chances, and with negative impact on future years.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Omg please
Ask for that Cuban 3B prospect from the White Sox and then include someone like James Mcdonald too.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
My thoughts on the trade.
I’m upset to see Lilly go, and I wish him well in LA with you guys.
Theriot is most certainly not my favorite player. I am one of several guys at BCB who dislike him.
What is Blake DeWitt like?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 11:35 AM PDT reply actions
Too-light hitting third baseman converted to second, was getting the hang of it defensively (numbers better than the stiff you guys sent us), except in average a slightly superior hitter to this stiff you sent us (especially in OPS), cheap, good kid, a grinder type from down SE MO, you’ll like him.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
very nice person.
dependable. led this sorry offense in ops since all-star break. natural 3rd baseman but defense on 2nd is getting much better. young, cheap. he will get on base. you’re lucky.
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
And I was thinking Lilly was a good steal for the Dodgers.
He has actually pitched very well, but in terms of run support, he has ranked dead last in the NL.
I saw him pitch at Wrigley against Houston on July 21, and the Cubs scored 1 run in his support and the Astros beat the Cubs in 12 innings by the score of 4-3.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
oh i love the lilly part.
i’ve been wanting lilly since the rumor came up because he’s no doubt the best 5th pitcher in the league now. with a mid 3.00 era, i was pretty sure his run support was bad haha.
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
probably
who’s better as a 5th pitcher? The problem is this trade was for a #5 starter. Hooray
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
woa
you read that horribly wrong. best 5th pitcher, not 5th best pitcher.
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by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Best 5th pitcher=
Best 5th starter.
I’ve made the same statement with people not knowing what I meant, lol.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
hahaha
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by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
gotcha.
i’ll do that next time.
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by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, run support for him while with us has been abysmal.
The Cubs have scored 2.4 runs PG when he starts.
This is why his W-L record is bad, it’s not because he’s pitched badly. Basically, if he makes one mistake, he goes from being in line for the win to being on the hook for the loss.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Er, that's for this year.
Not previous years.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
he's used to getting no run support?
good, he’ll fit right in too
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
solid OBP, decent contact hitter
no power, looks overmatched against big time power pitchers. Not an all star but offensively an average 2B. He’s cheap and controllable for the next few years
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
See some of our comments above to your fellow Cubbie fan
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Yeah, saw them too.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Saw them after I made my comment.
My bad.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a bad, just trying to save time ;-)
I know I’m all spent and can’t type any more about this.
In short: Lilly is liked. I am happy to have him, too.
DeWitt you will like, though he’s not a great player. We felt the trade overall was too much to give up and the money thing pisses us off. Cubs and Dodgers both sort of lose and sort of win on this trade, but our ownership is cheap and sucks. There you have it!
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Thanks.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Dewitt and Hudson
The stats of Dewitt and Hudson offensively are very close. How sad is it that we are downgrading a position two years in a row, and for a few million dollars we wouldn’t have had to do it. Would really love to know if the Dodgers would have taken only 1 million and thrown in the same prospects would we have had to put Dewitt in the package?
think dewitt is the cornerstone of the deal
which is why we had to take theriot
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
personally
if this was Lilly for Wallach and Smit it would be reasonable. I like Lilly. He’s a solid pitcher that’s now probably the best #5 starter in baseball. But Dewitt for Theriot is where Ned loses me. That is absolutely retarded.
Plus
We traded a Major league player and prospects for two months of LILLY.
Angels trade a major league player and prospects for HAREN.
Phillies trade a major league player (who isn’t even in the bigs right now) and prospects for OSWALT.
Blake Dewitt is our Joe Saunders is our JA Happ...
Lilly, Haren, Oswalt….1 of these is not like the other.
I don't know that Gose or Villar
are much better than Wallach. They’re just toolsy speedsters. Huge gamble IMO.
i like gose more than wallach.
but thats just personal peference. wallach, for a guy who was relatively polished, should not be walking 4+ in low A ball.
Happ started and won last night for Houston
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
True or False ---> is this the Grittiest Dodger team in 20 years?
Theriot
Carroll
Blake
Podsednik
Scrappy white veteraness…in abundance.
Just got back from a haircut and this is what I find
This is a stupid trade
by Brandon Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 11:37 AM PDT reply actions
We traded a guy in Brett Wallach
who at 21 has a 3.72 ERA, 4.6 BB/9, 9.8K/9 in Low-A.
Yes, he’s only at low-A, and shit might happen and he may have never reach the majors, but the Dodgers should be the ones to find that out.
We may not be done - Brandon League
Hearing #Rays, #Dodgers on League.
League plays for Seattle, Dodgers and Rays interested in him. Seattle won’t be taking Manny, it’ll be someone else off the farm. I’m not sure I can bear to watch.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
oh i completely missed the part on League
i thought it was just Rays-Dodgers talks
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah I didnt read that right
fuck this
lol
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Which League? Independent ball? ;-)
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Is their rationale simply that DeWitt wasn’t doing much and Carroll will be better at 2B for the next year and a half?
Why the fuck are we buying? Why the fuck are we buying?
We just lost series to the Padres, and Giants, two teams we have to jump over. WHY THE FUCK ARE WE BUYING?
well we haven't lost to the giants yet
we’re only 0-1 in a 3 game set
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
right
haha. i was traveling that whole series, which is why i forgot about it.
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
last week yo
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 31, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
kengurnick
The Dodgers acquire Ted Lilly, Ryan Theriot and $2.5 million fron Cubs for Blake DeWitt, Kyle Smit and Brett Wallach.
Why has he tweeted this like 7 times..
he's laughing so hard he keeps forgetting he already posted it
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Gurnick doesn't strike me as the sort who would find this trade funny or terrible
FWIW ;)
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That 2.5 Mill can build a lot of youth baseball fields
There’s still a lot of baseball to be played. The Dodgers are just going to keep slapping paint on a 75 Buick all willy nilly like, cause that’s what you do when you rename a section of your ballpark after a 75 Buick, and eh, maybe we’ll get a few more memories out of it. I doubt Ned ever lets this team be a bunch of young upstarts, like some of the A’s teams or the Rays now.
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
i would be completely in love
if we could get a team like the rays. they will no doubt win a couple of rings in the future…
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
That's just not gonna happen under this regime
remember when the Dodgers were known for their farm, used to win ROY every year. When did that end?
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 31, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
haha
i know. i would just be in love if it happened. ):
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by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn
I miss the Dodgers 9 year old me watched. That’s around the time my dad stopped taking me to games, Fox bought the team, Old Man Jenkins closed the rec center
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 31, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
me too.
i’m half korean and lived in korea back then (up until i was 19 lol) but park chan-ho was THE SHIT over there. me and korean family just sat back and watched him pitch back then. they were only dodger fans because of him though hah.
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by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
me too.
him and piazza, hands down my two favorite players back then. god i miss them :( park chan-ho is forever korea’s favorite player lol. well, that is, until choo becomes a HUUUUUGE STAR
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
to think...
if they still had josh hamilton and delmon young too… they’d be crazy!
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Colletti speaks
"We’ve been looking to improve our rotation and with Ted, we feel like we’ve got a very good group of starting pitchers for the stretch run," said Colletti. "Ryan is versatile and can help us in the middle of the diamond as a nice complement to our existing infielders.
"Of all the times I’ve had to tell a player he was traded, this was one of the toughest telling Blake DeWitt," Colletti added. "His professionalism, his passion and who he is made doing this one of the toughest moves I’ve made."
but BEST PLAYER
is dewitt.
like i said, those low A arms being traded is not what’s pissing me off. It’s acquiring a piece of shit like theriot and trading dewitt.
Theriot and DeWitt are the same player except Theriot has speed and range that’s better than a lamppost. As far as I’m concerned we traded three minor leaguers for a solid starter, a minor leaguer and cash.
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
same player?
look at that ISO discipline spread. i don’t see a same player. OBP is extremely important if you can’t hit for power.
And until this year Theriot’s OBP was the same as DeWitt’s. It has dipped a bit this year.
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
His OBP has largely dipped
because he was used as a leadoff hitter for most of the first half of the season, until when Lou started using Colvin and Castro at 1-2.
It mostly is due to what he thinks at the plate.
Theriot gave an interview earlier this year when he said he didn’t look for walks, calling them a “defensive state”. He went from May 1 to June 5 without a walk, using that mindset. When he finally did get a base on balls, on June 5, he got hi-fived in the Cubs’ dugout.
When Lou finally moved him out of leadoff, it was for this game between the Cubs and Phillies. That was the Sunday night Cubs-Phillies game at Wrigley, and I was in the left-field bleachers that night.
Since then, Theriot has largely been in the 8 spot but his average and OBP have not improved by much.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
except Theriot can't hit
even when compared to Dewitt. Plus Theriot is about $8 million more expensive for the next two years
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
And his defensive stats are notable worse.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
There are no reliable stats to measure defense.
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
But the best we have show him to be worse.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
you're missing the point about the money
even if you think Dewitt is no better than Theriot, which i disagree with, Dewitt is so much cheaper. Especially since Dewitt will be making $400-500K next two years and Theriot is arb. eligible
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
only next year for DeWitt
he is arb eligible in 2012, but your point is still very valid, and the main reason I am pissed about the deal.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
wllaach
younger… has more of a starters repotoire while pimental is probably a bullpen piece down the road..
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
obp.
plus, theriot’s ops is below .700… bad.
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
In early June, his OBP was .311.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
This screams of giving up on Manny playing anytime soon.
The ONE thing Theriot can do that DeWitt can’t is steal a base. Getting Pods and Theriot. Its seems like posturing the team for pitching, and run manufacturing.
Except for the fact that Theriot and Pods suck at getting on base.
Agreed that's what Im thinking too
I don’t think Theriot is coming in to be a full time starter…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Stark says Rays are unlikely to make a deal.
If #Mariners trade Brandon League, doesn’t look as if it’s to #Rays. Hearing Tampa Bay unlikely to make another deal today.
http://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/20011406757
Which could mean we’re getting Brandon League.
let's be honest.
that’s a huge upgrade in the pen lol. BUT, which good prospects are the idiots going to give up for this?
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Lilly/Dewitt
Not a bad deal, we need pitching and got it. Wasnt a big fan on blake anyway
Um, how am i supposed to sign this thing? It's a computer?!
I don't beleive Theroit's on the team next year. His ass is getting nontendered in the off season so the club can start DeJesus.
They made their decision and they chose it by default.
Where would he play?
This would point to Manny Dump
I actually like Luke Scott
but couldn’t they have started and ended with this one?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
what the
fucking fuck?
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
What the fuck
So now Ned wants Luke Scott and then Pods can sit on the bench along with Theriot and Reed and Manny (if those two ever come back)?
I guess I'm the only Dodger fan
that doesn’t mind this trade.
Why is everyone acting like Blake DeWitt is Chase Utley? And mistaking Wallach for Withrow?
Why is everyone overlooking that Lilly should be a type A? With Kuroda and most of Manny’s money off the books, we’re going to lock up Lilly or get some draft picks.
Why is everyone ready to give up on this season? We’re behind the Giants and Padres, not exactly juggernauts. Remember 2008 and the DBacks?
Theriot’s fine. I’ll take his 4.5 and 3.4 career UZR at 2B and SS, respectively, over a guy that’s an awful defensive 2B or terrible hitter at 3B.
Also, you know Ned isn’t done. Let’s wait until we see the bigger picture (please, no snarky comments about how he’s working on more ways to “mortgage the future”).
Calm down, folks! :)
we won’t offer Lilly arbitration anyway.
by dodgerpreacher on Jul 31, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
With Kuroda and most of Manny’s money off the books, we’re going to lock up Lilly or get some draft picks.
The Dodgers are not going to offer Lilly arbitration.
Dodgers track record on this issue is well documented
Dodgers need an owner with real resources to run the team
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Besides
We’re still paying Manny the next two years
by StolenMonkey86 on Jul 31, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
1) it is debatable that Lilly will be a Type A (he is replacing a 17-win season with a current 3-win season in the 2-year stats)
2) the Dodgers won’t offer him arbitration anyway
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
They’ll offer him arbitration right after the offer me.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not worth suicide over
but it’s frustrating in that the Dodgers are again giving up young players and prospects in order to not only make a trade but save money. If it was just acquiring Lilly I’d be on board with it but it’s the whole DeWitt / Theriot thing that made me angrier.
I like Lilly and all.
But the Dodgers won’t offer him arbitration making that part not a win for LA.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Or what everyone else said.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Why is everyone overlooking that Lilly should be a type A? With Kuroda and most of Manny’s money off the books, we’re going to lock up Lilly or get some draft picks.
the type A value is the only saving grace but the dodgers dont exaclty have a track record of offering arb.
They offered arb to Lowe (and Manny) a year earlier.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
So what track record are we talking about? Does one year make a trend?
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
They also didn’t offer arbitration to Biemel and picked up an easy comp pick in 2008.
If the Divorce didn’t cause the money problems the Dodgers had, it certainly made it harder.
Aw, c’mon. $15 mil in arb? People are still hung up on Wolf? Is nobody glad that the Dodgers didn’t offer HIM arb? That could have been a disaster. Let’s wait until the offseason to be so quick to shoot down the notion of arbitration for Lilly. I’m just saying there are good possibilities.
You can bash Ned, and much is deserved. But I think the Dodgers are generally smart in arbitration.
Lilly is making $12 million this year, 15 million in an arbitation settlement is not unreasonable.
And that’s a fuckton of money for what you would consider your 5th starter. He’s not going to get arbitration.
These rumors
are starting to make me wonder if ESPN has hacked into Ned’s email account, and are just posting everything they see. I’m just waiting for “Dodgers have been offered up to 4 inches of enhancement, for low payments”
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
ned will trade you withrow for this
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Excellent
we just need to wire the money through this Ugandan prince, everything will work out gangbusters
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 31, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
We've got an hour (more like two) everybody!
Put the doctor on speed dial!
hahaha
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you go tie Ned up
So he can’t make any more moves (unless its to sell Manny)
By the way, I have to give props to Harold Reynolds, who was the only one on the panel on MLB Network who didn’t like the trade for the Dodgers, saying Lilly wouldn’t get them to the playoffs.
really and what will?
sitting going out and doing nothing like we are now? losing division games?
Um, how am i supposed to sign this thing? It's a computer?!
So you want to sell our future for a slim hope of this year?
These trades don’t help us all that much. Have fun watching the dodgers fall apart over the next couple years.
You either trade for someone who can actually help you
like Haren or Oswalt, or you don’t do anything at all.
The point is really, nothing will. If the team plays better, they have a shot, but Lilly isn’t a big enough upgrade to be the difference.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
A question
Whats with all u people hatin on this trade? please people give me some insight on why
Um, how am i supposed to sign this thing? It's a computer?!
thank you for
answering. unlike other people that dont know how to read my question.
Um, how am i supposed to sign this thing? It's a computer?!
Not my question
can u read? i wanna know why U think its a bad idea.
Um, how am i supposed to sign this thing? It's a computer?!
im not.
i asked a simple question, and obviously he didnt understand it.
Um, how am i supposed to sign this thing? It's a computer?!
But there are literally hundreds of comments saying why we don’t like the trade.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
LIke I said
if you would read all the comments above you would see everyone’s opinions of the trade reiterated over and over again.
consensus is
dodgers are losers, need to sell
Unless you trade for a 21 WAR player who can single-handledly make up the 7GB problem
didn't think about Furcal
he’s under contract next year right?
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, and this is the last year before his 10/5 no trade rights kick in.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He sucks every other year :)
It’s science.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
To me
when your losing, you buy. when your winning you buy.
Um, how am i supposed to sign this thing? It's a computer?!
well i mean
when your in a position like us.(6-7 games back of leader and can’t win lately) u go out get players that will help your team win those div games which will help your chances at winning the division. but if your 10-20 games back then u sell. and if your only a few games leading then you get players that will increase your lead.
Um, how am i supposed to sign this thing? It's a computer?!
That would be true
if you get players that can bridge a 6 – 7 game deficit. Ted Lilly cannot. And Theriot sucks so he will sit on the bench and pinch run which will not win you games.
theriot is the starting 2b
read that i think on twitter that comin from torre.
Um, how am i supposed to sign this thing? It's a computer?!
1) Lilly is not good enough of an upgrade to make up 4.5 games
2) Theriot is a worse player than DeWitt, plus older and more expensive
3) We lose a league minimum average player in 2011 (DeWitt), plus the chance that Theriot might be offered arbitration and make more money the next two years to suck
4) Lilly is not signed for more years (if he was it would bolster next year’s currently-thin rotation)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Dewitt for Lilly
People are looking at this wrong. It wasn’t DeWitt for Theriot and the pitchers for Lilly. This was DeWitt and Wallach for Lilly. Theriot was a throw in by the Cubs to make the deal happen.
I'm banging the drum for Kim Ng to be the new GM like NOW
We need Logan White for the prospects. Throw him some more money.
Ng is probably the person who suggested this move
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
DeWitt .262/.340/.379
Theriot .287/.350/.362
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
Right. Career numbers are more reliable.
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
Not if he’s trending downwards. And his production at SS counts as well. You’re arguing career numbers but intentionally trying to hide Theroit’s flaws.
Are you ready to get rid of Kemp because he’s trending downward after half a season? And what flaws does Theriot have that DeWitt doesn’t?
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
If Kemp was 30, had a career year 2 years ago, and looks like he could never reach it again, yes.
Ryan Theroit is 30 years old, He had his career year in 2008 where he produced a 3.2 WAR
In 2009 he had a 2.4 WAR because he was such a bad hitter than even his above average fielding couldn’t outweigh it.
In 2010, Ryan Theroit even performs worse offensively compared to 2009, and his fielding takes a dive to produce a -0.1 WAR.
He’s 30 years old, going to get expensive in arbitration and is getting noticeably worse. Yes, he is a bad player and DeWitt is more valuable than him.
Matt Kemp in comparision
2008:3.2
2009: 5.1
2010: 0.5 (And this with UZR rating him as the worst CF in the league, which I don’t believe.)
You’ll have to believe that Kemp and Theorit are even remotely comparable offensively to think they’re similar.
Oh my God! I’m not trying to compare talent between Kemp and Theriot. I’m making the point that you’re giving up on a player who has regressed very little. Something you wouldn’t do with a player you liked.
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
Very little? Even when he’s was good he produced below all star level, and was solid at best. It only takes a little regression from Theroit to enter replacement level which is where he is at right now.
And so is DeWitt.
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
The difference is that DeWitt had options and still in his mid 20s and wasn’t going to get expensive in 2 years.
You basically traded for his older, more expensive version. That’s a dumb trade.
but dewitt wasnt traded for theriot
he was traded for lilly… we either give up dewitt or we give up a sands withrow type of player or players
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, the difference in value between the two is miniscule. They’re both AAAAplayers at best.
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
it's about the money
Dewitt would’ve saved us $6 million that we could’ve used on improving the team instead of making it worse
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Kemp and Theorit value is miniscule?
Fuck you.
by Tripon on Jul 31, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
no
because Kemp’s in his mid 20’s instead of early 30’s, has 10x more talent than Theriot has, and is still having a better year than Theriot’s ever had
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
if those are career stats
you’re still completely missing the point
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t care about the money right now. I’m refuting people who are saying DeWitt is a better player. He’s not.
"A baseball game is nothing but a great slow contraption for getting you to pay attention to the cadence of a summer day."
Irrelevant
The trade wasn’t Theriot for DeWitt. It was DeWitt for Lilly. Theriot was a throw in.
Theriot is gonna make at least $8 million
in the next 2 years through arbitration. Dewitt will probably make around $2 million in that time
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Theriot is not gonna make $8mm over the next 2 years.
He will get non-tendered or sign a deal.
He went to an arbitration hearing with the Cubs in February this year.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
he should get non-tendered
but i doubt he will. If he does, then he’l a little more reasonable as a throw in by the Cubs
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll miss DeWitt
tho I’m not sure he had good enough defense for second or good enough offense for third. Maybe he’ll turn out to be a good player but I’m not sure he really was the future. I really hope they end up offering arbitration to Lilly, who could end up being cheaper and better than Kuroda, although I’m also a Kuroda fan.
No.
They could have just, signed him and not traded anybody if they wanted him next year.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If Lily gets extensions
then we’re talking
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 31, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Tim Brown says we're not in on Luke Scott
Luke Scott getting play. But, not from the Dodgers.
would of really
liked him to be on the team:(
Um, how am i supposed to sign this thing? It's a computer?!
Kevin Kaduk
thinks we could get a haul for Vin Scully
By the way...
Having a backup SS isn’t a bad thing. Also, who do we want at SS if Furcal were to go down (the thought of that just made me feel sick)? Theriot or Castro or Carroll?
2:08pm: Scott is getting play but not from the Dodgers, tweets Brown.
:(
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I can't wait to see Plaschke's writeup on this
Behind a desk, sat a GM with a stache.
In a chair, sat an owner with some cash.
Behind a desk, “I’ve got a trade!”
In a chair, “We’ll all get paid.”
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
Rumor
My dad works for the Giants, and he said the Giants are close to getting Dunn.
My name sucks.
Huff has played LF and RF this year if I'm not mistaken
Horrible on defense, but with that offense i guess it doesn’t matter.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
He mashed for the first month of that deal, then slumped
Dunn is still a mid .900s OPS bat, I don’t care if he didn’t help the Dbacks win in 2008, with another big bat in Dunn the Giants could win now.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Maybe they’ll DFA Burrell to make room and we can grab him.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
No run support for Lilly
Lilly, 34, has just a 3-8 won-loss record — but only because he has had the second-worst run support of any starting pitcher in the major leagues (3.77 runs per nine innings).
I hope he doesn’t expect any change to that.
it's ok
a lefty is pitching today lol
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
the child is a blessing for us all.
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
don’t tell Josie. It’s always harder to leave a marriage with two kids instead of one
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe this is what has been on Andre's mind
the past few weeks
by bhsportsguy on Jul 31, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I like your thinking.
Now just wait about 6 months so Andre stops losing sleep at night and he’ll be fantastic again. :)
Nah
I’m actually really happy for him! Congrats Andre! Out of respect for the second child, I hereby lay to rest my Andre love shtick. I will not comment on his desirability ever again.
*sniff
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Jul 31, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
According to the email a bunch of us probably just got
The rotation is now Padilla, Kershaw, Bills, Kuroda, Lilly. Monk goes back to the pen. This is what we knew, but seeing it in print, that’s not a bad rotation, and now Monk can provide the middle relief that’s been eh.
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
just wish Ned cared about going to war with a solid rotation in april
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
To make things better
I will be a guest again on a special trade deadline special with good friend Vito Chirco (“The Godfather”) on Sports Talk Soup.
Listen for me at 1pm.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sportstalksoup/2010/07/31/sportstalksoups-mlb-trade-deadline-special
Just keep thinking
practice for podcasts, practice for podcasts
by bhsportsguy on Jul 31, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
That's foolish we already have Podsednik to mimic Belliard :)
Let justice be done, though the world perish.
Just curious ... what was Belliard known for?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He came to the team last September
And hit pretty well, thereby moving Hudson onto the bench
by bhsportsguy on Jul 31, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, guys.
Back to BCB for me.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He played out of his mind down the stretch as soon as he put on the Dodger uni
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
last year after coming to LA
351/.398/.636/1.034
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Big difference
Theriot can hardly hit the ball out of the infield.
dewitt
damn i didnt know everyone loved the guy so much
we get lilly
whose a very good pitcher….
its not like dewitt could be a center piece for a oswalt or haren deal. hes the type of player right now that is a centerpiece for a solid player
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
They could have just kept DeWitt and had him play 2nd base for the Dodgers at $400K
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
this is the same type of deal as the john garland deal last year….
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
except Abreu didn’t have DeWitt’s track record, and the Dodgers didn’t take on an older, shittier player as well, nor did they give up two other minor league prospects.
Other than that, same deal.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont think dewitt is that much better then abrue
his defense is sure not better… and dewitt aint really known as an offensive player..
plus lilly is a better pitcher then garland.
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
If it was for more than 2 months of Lilly
I’d have been fine with it.
I would be fine with the deal if Lilly were signed for 2011, but he’s done after this year.
Pointless deal.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
john garland 2.0
tony abrue could have been our starter for the next 6 years or dewitt…
but now they are gone for 18 starts combined of lilly garland…
plus we get theroit who sucks
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Dewitt's ceiling
is probably a league average 2B. He would be cost-controlled for at least 2 more years plus even past that, his salary would be on the low end barring any great improvement.
Theriot is older, already earning more money and his ceiling is probably slightly below league average.
The Lilly deal is a rental but he does improve the rotation.
Low A arms are still pretty far away
by bhsportsguy on Jul 31, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not even that. I did like him, but this trade is so damn stupid.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
so damn stupid
so are most people here in agreement that playoffs this year are a longshot?
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Could this team make a run
Look, the pitching will keep them in the game, the bullpen might even settle down to where Weaver is the worst option (depending on what happens with Sherrill).
However, as people have been saying, it will depend on the one thing they really could not improve during this trade deadline, the offense.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 31, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
you on the east coast?
it’s on at 2:30 here
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Ned Colletti sucks
FOR. EV. ER.
FOR. EV. ER.
FOR. EV. ER.
by Jesse S. on Jul 31, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
wtf??
i thought the trade deadline passed this morniing??
what time??
probably longer
some deals get processed after getting submitted right at the deadline and theres lag
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
didnt see this
holy shit
Jose Valverde is not available on Saturday or Sunday after throwing 60 pitches on Friday.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 12:28 PM PDT reply actions
Buster heard something again
Heard this: The Yankees are closing in on deal for Kerry Wood.#trades
boo
yanks couldnt get someone more reliable..?
i wouldnt trust the guy in the 8th inning right now…
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Which team did the best/worst at the deadline?
Best deals:
#1. Padres — Tejada/Ludwick for no one off the current roster
#2. Phillies — Oswalt for nothing.
Worst deals:
#1. Blue Jays dealing Brett Wallace for an A baller..
#2. Dodgers dealing Dewitt when they are out of it anyway.
MSTI has a great point - No bench today
Just thinking, if DeWitt’s traded, Theriot’s not there yet, Ethier’s gone.. Dodgers might have only 3 bench guys today: Ausmus/Paul/Belliard
clearly nobody planned wtf we were doing today
hence chad on 3 days rest
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Question: If the Dodgers had money to make deals, does Ned try to trade prospects left and right like he had?
I’d say no. He was pulling this shit since he’s been GM in 06. He doesn’t value prospects as potential additions to the club, he rather build the club from veteran players.
what
a jackrabbit fucker.
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
by douchiedude on Jul 31, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't value every prospect
But to say he doesn’t value prospects is ignoring the evidence that since the 1980s, this team has the largest collection of home grown talent (or in the case of Ethier, players who began their MLB career as a Dodger) in over 25 years.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 31, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
And if you make trades
and don’t trade from your 25 man roster, who do a end up trading, minor league players.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 31, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
What does the Dodgers history dating back to the 1980s have to do with what Ned Colletti does right now?
I am saying that
for nearly 25 years, the Dodgers were not this place of home grown talent and great drafts. Since the mid-80s, the Dodgers were a team made up of free agents and trades. The 90s ROYs were rare players in a system that was pretty run dry until the 2002.
So this idea that the Dodgers operate differently now than in the past is wrong.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 31, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers have less money now than then (relative to the league).
So they are going to have to change.
You either build thru the farm, or sign free agents.
Being in between…whereby not spending enough on premier free agents, yet also trading your prospects for middling vets…is a recipe for an overpaid mediocre team (i,.e. the 1992 – 2003).
I think the Dodgers are unfortunately going back to that.
This smells like Ned
The Pirates might be on the verge of trading lefty reliever Javier Lopez, tweets Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
the padres got ryan ludwick
a really good RF…. and they gave up 2 prospects… none of which were in their top 10…
we get lilly theriot…. and give up 1 major league player and 2 guys who arent in the top 10 but one which has a chance
trade furcal
He is at a point were his value is at his highest it will probably get. We now have theriot who can play SS till Dee gordon or someelse is ready.
That’d actually be a forward thinking deal.
If you sell Furcal and his salary to the highest bidder, and then play Theriot at SS…I could get behind that.
But its never gonna happen
When Ned sells, he’s done okay (Ethier)
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It probably not going to happen this year, but I could see a scenario where the Dodgers are so far out of it at the Trade Deadline in 2011 that they would have reason to trade him.
When his value is lower, he’s a year older, and has a full no-trade clause.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I would have entertained that. Fuck it I still would. The team should be selling.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
wishful thinking.
but please give us a good trade in the next 20 minute :(
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
2:35pm: The Mariners approached the Braves about taking Chone Figgins off their hands, tweets ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick. Crasnick adds that the Braves are also making a late bid for a reliever.
Where would the Braves play Figgins?
Everyday?
i think he should split time equally between carroll
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
MLBTR
[Javier] Lopez goes to the Giants for Joe Martinez, according to a CSN report passed along in this Andrew Baggarly tweet
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 31, 2010 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
On pregame show
Suchon said Torre said Theriot was the everyday 2b
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 12:46 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
but what about splitting time equallly
what has theriot done this year to show that hes better then carroll
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
DeJesus or DeWitt
I think before making this trade the cubs either wanted DeJesus or DeWitt… We chose to give them DeWitt over DeJesus and of the two i’d rather have DeJesus. He could take over the 2b job next year.
Ned Dipshit Colletti
Any of you Dodger fans out in LA do all of us Dodgers fans a favor by running that dipshit of a general manager over next you see him. Either that or take a baseball bat to his head, preferable an aluminum bat…
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