Maybe The Umpires Were Warning About Pat Burrell: Giants 2, Dodgers 1
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 3:57 PM PDT
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The problem with not scoring a lot of runs is that, even with a lead in the late innings, there just isn't any margin of error. Nursing a 1-0 lead with two outs in the bottom of the eighth, Hong-Chih Kuo grazed Buster Posey with a pitch. Then, in his infinite wisdom, home plate umpire Rob Drake issued warnings to both benches, as if they willingly put the tying run on base.
Jonathan Broxton was brought in to pitch to Pat Burrell, and Burrell lined a 3-2 pitch over the wall in left field for a 2-1 lead, which eventually became the final score. Guillermo Mota pitched the final five outs of the game for San Francisco for his first win of the season.
Three days rest did not prove much of an impediment for Chad Billingsley, who threw 6 2/3 scoreless innings. Billingsley has not given up a run in his last three starts, and currently has a scoreless streak of 21 2/3 innings. He gave up just two hits and two walks today, while striking out five. Casey Blake provided the offense with a solo home run in the seventh inning.
The number nine spot in the batting order was quite productive today for the Dodgers. Billingsley walked and singled, one of only three Dodger hits on the day. Then, in the eighth inning, Kuo walked on four pitches, his first career base on balls. The only reason Kuo batted in the eighth was because Joe Torre elected not to double switch Xavier Paul for Garret Anderson in right field when Kuo was brought in during the seventh inning.
With the trade of Blake DeWitt before the game, and Andre Ethier leaving to be with his wife for the birth of their second child, the Dodgers had just three players on the bench for today's game: Ronnie Belliard, Paul, and Brad Ausmus. Considering that most managers don't like using their backup catchers unless absolutely necessary, the Dodgers effectively had a two man bench. Still, regardless of the positive result, there is no reason Kuo should have been allowed to bat, especially since Torre knew he would pitch more than just the one out in the seventh inning.
The Dodgers are now five and a half games behind the Giants for the Wild Card. They try to salvage a game tomorrow, with a rested Clayton Kershaw facing Matt Cain.
WP - Guillermo Mota (1-3): 1 2/3 IP, 3 strikeouts
LP - Jonathan Broxton (3-3): 1/3 IP, 2 hits, 1 run
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just get him the fuck out of here
and colletti managed to be a “buyer” when the team is going nowhere and simultaneously make the team WORSE
JUST FUCK THIS
by lchristmas on Jul 31, 2010 4:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
we don't even need a power bat right now.
we just need some fucking hitters.
Seriously, Dodgers... HELP WANTED
Dodger Runs Cored in the last 12 games - 27
2.25 runs scored per game
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
That's just inflated
from the offensive explosion of 5 runs last night.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Can we promote Juan Bustabad into the manager role??
A stupid question of course…
Louise Bourgoin: The hottest French actress I've ever seen <3
I had forgotten what it felt like to lose. It sucks! I’m still on board. If we can only get some hits, we are back in the race. Plenty of baseball left to make a turnaround run to the top. Let’s see how these new guys contribute to the team.
by Skunkburner on Jul 31, 2010 4:07 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
i respect your optimism
but cannot share it
ryan theriot is not going to teach russell martin or matt kemp how to hit
by lchristmas on Jul 31, 2010 4:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I will add that they have faced
The top 3 pitching staffs in the NL since the break in St. Louis, San Francisco and San Diego for 12 of the 16 games, the Mets have not been bad either, the only reason the Dodgers were able to win that series is because the Mets are just as bad offensively as the Dodgers were since the ASB.
yeah and both sf and stl are wildcard teams
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
She was a hoe, fo sho
/prays that Brian is really OK
♥ NATHAN ♥ Posey ♥ Eugenio ♥ Andres ♥ Sergio ♥ Travis ♥
by GiantsBabe on Jul 31, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
DFA JAMES LONEY
And I am not sure this team ever had a consistent offense
Manny got hurt after that Reds series and really since then, the Dodger lineup has never had Furcal, Ethier and Manny playing together.
Add that Kemp has regressed since that early power streak.
that low and away is just so tough for Kemp
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Since the first Cincinnati series (in April)
the Dodgers have played 89 games and are averaging just 4.06 runs per game.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
…and they have given up 4.01 runs per game
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Putting this into perspective..
5.5 games is the farthest the Dodgers have been out of a playoff spot (WC or Division Title) on July 31st since 2003 (6 games out).
Been a long long time since the Dodgers were out of it before August.
was that when sd won the division with 82 wins
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, and they were outscored on the season
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
to put THAT in perspective, the 2010 Dodgers were playing over their run differential for almost the entire season until a few weeks ago.
http://www.dingersblog.com
Correct.
Dodgers are still playing 1 game above thier expected wins.
But the Giants are actually playing less than theirs.
Going by run differential, Dodgers would be 9.5 games behind.
This team just isnt good enough this year.
Actually I think the team is good enough
So this really sucks.
DL stints and really bad times to play like shit have cost us.
DFA JAMES LONEY
Losing is fine
Having your GM purge more of a thinning system is what really sucks here.
DFA JAMES LONEY
I was watching the game till the 8th inning, went to go run errands, then turned on the radio in the car to hear we were trailing 2-1 in the 9th with Martin at the plate.
fucking bullshit.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
It was one of those games that seemed to be rolling along nicely, going to plan, then BOOM it was over. Just like that.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Like I said
earlier, it was like the game against Zito in Dodger Stadium in May, Manny comes up and hits a 2-run pinch hit home run off Romo and the Giants lose a heart breaker.
wish dodger talk was on today
so I could hear hate being unleashed
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions
hm
I thought it wasnt on during a weekday because of dumb kabc.
thanks
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
weekday, weekend day
whats the diff
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember a time not too long ago when I had faith in the Dodger offense that if they were trailing by 3-4 runs after the 6th, they would still be able to work a comeback every now & then.
meh
Im digging the Wingstop 50cent nights
DFA JAMES LONEY
torre was saying it was a shame he lost
I suggest Torre apologizes to him personally for fucking it up
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Even this little kid. He should play in traffic
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I should start calling dodger talk
who are these people
my friend used to call all the time and go off on ramon hernandez for whatever reason
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions
If Anybody Is Interested In My Thoughts On Today's Trades...
…you can infer from the following all you need too know: Right now the idea of taking as much as a couple of minutes of my not-altogether-valueless time to write anything at all about the Dodgers fills me with disgust. In time the feeling will probably subside. Probably.
I've heard Phil mention him a few times
What position is he? I’m guessing a pitcher, but I wasn’t sure.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
From March 2008
Right-hander Javier Solano, considered the best pitching prospect in Mexico when the Dodgers signed him for $250,000 earlier in the year, is living up to expectations. Watson said he’s thrown “exceptionally well” and is “very advanced” for a 17-year-old, with an above-average fastball and curveball.
From BA
Could you tell me a little about Mexican lefthander Javier Solano. The Dodgers’ official website reported they signed him earlier this year for $250,000. What’s the scouting report on him?
Jason Debney
Burbank, Calif.
I recently read an article that said Dodgers lefthander Javier Solano was considered the best pitching prospect in Mexico when the Dodgers signed him for $250,000 earlier this year as a 17-year-old, and that he has an above-average fastball and curveball. Do you have any information about Solano? Is he a legitimate prospect, and where does it look like he’ll play this season?
Marty Rafter
Heidelberg, Germany
The Dodgers did buy Solano’s rights from the Mexican League’s Monterrey Sultans earlier this winter for $250,000. He’s 17 years old but he’s actually a righthander, not a lefty. Solano has a mature body at 6-foot-1 and 200 pounds, but he’s more athletic than that build might indicate. Los Angeles loves his mechanics, pitchability and confidence.
His stuff is promising too. Solano’s two best pitches are an 89-93 mph fastball that sits around 91 and a plus 75-78 mph curveball. He also has some feel for a changeup and uses a slider as his fourth offering.
Solano has been very impressive in minor league camp, pitching well enough to merit making the Dodgers’ low Class A Great Lakes club. But given his age and inexperience, as well as the cold early-season weather in the Midwest League, Los Angeles will keep Solano in extended spring training for at least the first month of the season.
The Dodgers also paid $250,000 to the Sultans for the rights to another pitcher, 19-year-old righthander Freddy Quintero. Quintero, who’s 6-foot-2 and 185 pounds, has an 89-92 mph fastball and a hard slider.
Solano must be the last time we spent this much on an international FA. Maybe Nam in 09.
You guys are basing your opinion on him from a three year old report
when he was 17? Seriously?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
What does that have anything to do with anything
You don’t think minor league relief pitchers don’t have any value? 20 year old in AA is impressive, I don’t remember the last 20 year old in AA for the Dodgers. Not every one has to have Jansen type stuff to be effective. A Romo type guy has plenty of value.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Well, without personally seeing him pitch, I have to imagine him to be more like Monk or Wade.
If he can only throw around 90, he’s at best a set up man. That’s valuable, but not as much as he could be.
Well
he’s got two arms and two legs so …
sounds good to me cause ….
that’s what we’re heading for …
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
In my Inland Empire report the other day...
I wrote what Charlie Hough said. “Javier Solano has a low 90’s fastball, and also has a cutter, a curve, and a changeup. He will remain a reliever, and actually might be shorter than the 6’0" he is listed at.”
by Brandon Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
If Rubby pitches well for the rest of the season in AA…I’d put him in the Dodgers rotation next year.
The way things are going, might be alot of AA players on the roster next year?
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if we’re out of it. If Torre is still the manager, and Ned Colletti is the game. (Obviously, the 2nd is more probable than the 1st), the Dodgers aren’t going to run half of the AA team out there.
next year ...
when the ticket buyers depart en masse
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm afraid to read the game thread.
I was listening on the radio as things were going great. Stepped out of the car to grab some snow comes right as Kuo hits Posey and I think to myself, “Ha, take that!”
Then I get back in the car 5 minutes later to hear that Burrell got payback in the worst way possible. Ugh.
I don't know what I hated more- these past two games, or the past two trades
But at least with the games, you can always go back to the cliche, “These things happen.” I mean, this isn’t the only strong team that goes into a horrifying offensive slump- check out the Good Phight’s archives last month.
But what excuse does Colletti have here?! This team has an outside shot at the playoffs now at best, and you’re trading away prospects for second rate rental players?! I’ve always defended him on the grounds that he has little money to work with, and less than ever now. (Ever notice over the past few years how the Dodger are just about the only buying team over the past few years who always seem to GET cash?) But the problem here is the quality of what we’re getting back, which is not much, especially for a few rental players. If you don’t have any money to make the “right” moves, justdon’t do anything at all.
Best of luck to J-Mac, DeWitt, and the rest of ’em. Happy trails, boys.
im thinking this has to be McCourt's decision
He probably thought “Im not spending $45 million on Manny for nothing” and told Ned to do something.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
traded young guys for old guys
Fuck McCourt
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Eric was right
Dr Pepper is much better than Mr Pibb. I am dissapointed with Del Taco right now :(
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Normally it's not much different than Dr Pepper
but the stuff I’m drinking right now is meh. Also, they didn’t put cheese on my tacos…who has tacos without cheese from a fast food place? lol
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I Thought Mr. Pibb Pretty Much Was a Copycat Of Dr. Pepper
There is no Mr. Pibb in Canada, but I tried it in the US a long time ago.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 31, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the dumber version of Dr Pepper, because Mr Pibb doesn't have a PHD :P
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I’ve got a case of that myself. It’s pretty good, doesn’t seem to taste any differently than normal.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
When you switch back, you’ll notice the difference. Corn Furctose has a nasty aftertaste that you don’t notice with sugar.
You know what
Usually there is a strong aftertaste and I haven’t noticed it with these new (or old) stuff.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Does That Mean It Has Real Sugar In IT?
If that is the case, then the only Dr. Pepper you can get in Canada is “Throwback Dr. Pepper.”:)
by CanuckDodger on Jul 31, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
On the Topic Of "Crappy Stuff In The U.S."
Does anybody here have any opinion — positive or negative — about Hershey’s milk chocolate? The entire world outside America laughs at Americans for liking the stuff.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 31, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The entire world laughs at us for all sort of shit
and we don’t really give a shit.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
And Most Of the Time You Shouldn't Give a Shit...
…because anti-Americanism will be at the root of the laughter. But speaking as someone who is routinely accused of having a huge pro-American bias, I have to say that the internationally-derided Hershey milk chocolate candy bar is pretty vile compared to the chocolate made elsewhere, and yet Hershey dominates the American market. I thought the problem was the fact that Hershey’s specific recipe calls for milk that has gone sour (accounting for the slight vomit odor when the chocolate is unwrapped), but now Tripon says they make it with wax too. Good God.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 31, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I try to stay away from Hershey simply
because of the slave trade that still occurs in the harvesting of the cacao bean but I do love my chocolate and unfortunately all the major chocolate companies have their finger in that pie.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I have NEVER noticed anything bad or wrong with Hersheys Chocolate
I love the stuff.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I Wish You Could Get Your Hands On A Milk Chocolate Candy Bar Made By Cadbury
I would ask you to compare it with a Hershey bar. From what I have heard, Americans who have had them brought to them by visiting Canadian or British friends or relatives wonder what the hell Hershey is playing at trying to make chocolate. The theory that a lot of people have is that Americans go through life assuming Hershey is proper chocolate, and without experiencing the taste of other chocolate, they have no idea what they are missing.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 31, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Cadbury eggs, they are the best. I will admit their chocolate is better than Hershey’s.
Unless that’s just something else that I’m thinking of.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Oh, So You Get the Cadbury Eggs. That's Nice
Of course the fairest comparison is one company’s solid milk chocolate candy bar against the other company’s bar. Aside from the sweeter taste and better small, Cadbury has a less chalky texture and it is creamier in one’s mouth.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 31, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be very interested in having a Cadbury chocolate bar
I only have good things to say about the eggs i’ve had before (they are the ones with the cream or caramel on the inside, the ones around Easter).
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Ivdown, If I Had Your Address I'd Mail A Cadbury Bar To You
No cost to you, of course.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 31, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That's very nice of you, thank you
I can email to you if you’d like.
You can send me an email at
steelandiron@hotmail . com
Then I can email you back.
I just realized I’m responding to you in a Platschke-esque format, lol.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I don't think Cadbury's milk chocolate bar sells in America
I think that market in America is conceded to Hershey. If Cadbury Eggs sell in America it is probably because Hershey doesn’t have a comparable product.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 31, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I Just Read...
…That the Cadbury brand milk chocolate bar IS sold in America, but it is a “reformulated” version made and marketed by — guess who? Hershey!
by CanuckDodger on Jul 31, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The crazy part about this is that there are plenty of local chocolate and candy stores in the US. We always hit up one in Folsom, CA, and the milk chocolate bar is 100 times better than Hersheys. So, it is not like we don’t have ample opportunity to try something better.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 1, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Three days rest
seemed like the right call with a rested Kuo, Jansen, and Broxton
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Welcome to the world, my son.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 7:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Why is Torre getting ragged on regarding this game
was it to much to ask our “closer” to get four outs? Sure the offense sucked again but when he comes
in it doesn’t matter if the score is 10 -9 or 1-0 he has a one run lead to protect and he needs to
do his job.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I'm not mad about bringing Broxton in when he did
I’m mad about taking Bills out in the 7th when he did. Twas a lame call.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
Only problem I had was not double switching Paul for GA when Kuo was brought in. I had no problem with the pitching changes.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2010 7:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nothing Ned did today compares to
his previous deals. They were unnecessary, especially the Dotel deal, but not sure they can be in the worst discussion
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Okay "worst" is probably an overreaction
but “dumbest” might not be. I see today’s moves as being exceptionally misguided and short sided.
Chris Withrow had a pretty decent day today. After looking at his splits, he’s a jeckyl and Hyde player when it comes to command. Command, no command, command, no command. Judging by this, he will have command problems next start.
Nice
I hope for a solid career for him. I’m a fan of his.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 31, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
# Casey Blake on Ted Lilly, whom he accused earlier this season of pitching from in front of the rubber: “I’ll tell him to keep doing it.” about 4 hours ago via web
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Andre Ethier has returned to Los Angeles for the birth of his second child. about 6 hours ago via web
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Colletti said that the Dodgers could have acquired Lilly without parting ways with DeWitt. about 6 hours ago via web
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Colletti said he still thinks Lambo will be a good major-league hitter. about 6 hours ago via web
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Colletti said he felt he could afford to move Lambo because of the youth of Ethier and Kemp, the presence of XPaul and emergence of Sands. about 6 hours ago via web
The DeWitt move is odd, you can take it two ways. That there really was two separate trades with the Cubs combined for simplistic purposes, and that DeWitt really was traded for Theriot, or that to get Lilly without DeWitt, more prospects were needed.
Well I’m glad Sands is on the Dodgers’ “radar”.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 31, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
keeps it between 20-25 for the rest of the year
and im fine with that. next year he needs to lower it to 20 or lower.
Colletti said,
I’ll throw in DeWitt if you give me 2.5mil
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I've had time to simmer down a bit
and basically….some things have to happen this offseason to make me “OK” with what transpired today.
Like?
Get a starter, second baseman, third baseman?
by Julio Nievas on Jul 31, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
doubtful
we’re going to find that on the market. Travyon looks like he has potential to be a big leaguer.
has anyone done an analysis
of wtf happened to Kemp so far this year?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
he started jumping at the ball
then he started pulling off the ball
once in a while he ‘stays back’ and good things happen
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
no.
basically having to do with the current players:
like:
-Dotel staying and exercising that option
-Lily re-upping or getting offered arb
stuff like that. Also really curious to see what Colletti plans to do with this rotation that currently has Bills and Kershaw for next year.
You would offer Lilly arbitration? How much?
by Julio Nievas on Jul 31, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
same salary as he currently has.
I’m banking on him getting multiple year offers from other teams. Randy Wolfy did and Lilly has a better performance and health history then Wolf.
for how much and how long?
he’s already 35…theres a risk there.
2 years?
Lilly is going to be 35 in five months.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 31, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
yah
and thats why i would only offer him one year arb.
If McCourt is short on cash, he’s got two negotiating options:
1) Offer more years than other teams, but a lower price per year. A player at the end of his career probably earns more money this way, and McCourt’s cost per year is lower.
2) Find older guys who have already banked a lot of money, and offer them more money but defer the money. (A Manny-style contract.) The player makes more money, and McCourt doesn’t have to pay off until the new TV deal comes in.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
3.
see how the divorce proceedings pan out
and learn if he has to sell the team
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 31, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
"Rays acquired a reliever today with 8.29 ERA"
I saw that headline and hoped it was Sherrill.
But NO! It was Chad Qualls.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
its saturday night and you know what that means guys!!!
HUNTIN’ TIME.
hating on you
Im stuck at work. Been here since 9am.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm 53 years old
I do not want older women hitting on me.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
Description:
Expanding on FIP, xFIP realizes that some pitchers may be incredibly (un)lucky on their Home Run per Fly ball (HR/FB) rates in a given year, while starting pitchers should expect that rate to be around 10.6%. Theoretically, this should be a better predictor of a pitcher’s future ERA. xFIP is calculated exactly the same as FIP, with the exception of the Home Run component, which makes the formula look like this:
xFIP = ((13*(.106*# of fly balls))(3*BBHBP-IBB)-(2*K))/IP+constant
This newly introduced term helps normalize some of the variation that is inherent in FIP due to the aforementioned luck factor on fly balls leaving the park.
58 games left this year
What’s your prediction for how well they do?
Team is 54-50 now. 28 home games left and 30 road games.
AZ, Houston, Wash: 16 games
Rockies, Brewers: 12 games
Phila, Padres, Giants, Reds: 26 games
My non-scientific back-of-the-envelope best guess is they win 29 of them.
Yours?
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
I say they win 84-85 games
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Look at how sad that OBP is with such a high average, lol
That’s my way to discrediting his season :P
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
OT
I’ve really been getting into Bruno Mars. Guy’s got a fantastic voice, he’s the lead vocals in Billionaire.
So I've got an idea
I think I’m going to start a Dodgers franchise on MLB 10 The Show and sell instead of buy. I wonder what it will be like to sell, lol.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
I got my MLB 07 The show
and Jason Schmidt is throwing 96 MPH for my Dodgers
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 31, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
McDonald for Dotel makes no sense to me
other then his shiny veteran label. McDonald could have probably been just as good if given the chance.
Arguably better
Its just a stupid trade that arguably makes the team no better now and weakens them in the future. I’m pissed. Dewitt and McDonald snatched away in one day for so fucking little.
I do like Dotel
I just don’t think he will be any better than Jmac would be.
"Stop exploding you cowards!!!"
How long will it take Ned to figure out to sell?
and how much value can we get back by trading Lilly and Dotel in oh say, a week?
no kidding
if we dont show up for the next series against SD its not lookin good
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
paddilla
he is almost a Type B…
i will for sure offer him arb cause even if he accepts, we will get him for like 6 million in arb right?
lilly do not offer because he will cost 12 million maybe more..
offer dotel arb cause he wants to be a closer and we will not allow so he wont accept..
we can get 2 supplement round picks… better then nothing
by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Jayson Stark's summary
While the Giants let the bat market pass them by, Dodgers GM Ned Colletti was able to do what he always does this time of year — get teams to pay him to take their players at the deadline. This year, Colletti targeted pitching and a second-base upgrade and got what he was chasing. Ted Lilly figures to be a great fit for the ballpark. Ryan Theriot will be a much-needed energizer for a team that sometimes plays as if it’s hooked on Tylenol PM. And while there are no Octavio Dotel Fan Club members typing away on this block, at least he’s a power bullpen arm — and you can never have enough in the NL West. Oh, and the Cubs and Pirates contributed about $3 million to the McCourt Divorce Court funds. What a country (link).
Its not hard to get teams to give you money
when you are willing to overpay in seemingly ever single trade.
How in the world is Theriot seen as an upgrade when you take into account cost and control?
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 1, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea, I figured that as I wrote it. Well, I am now expecting his presence to fire this team up.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 1, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Where did you read that?
All the game stories said Ethier flew to LA and Torre said he was unsure of when he returns.
There is no way he plays Sunday.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
For the sake of Andre’s marriage, I hope you are wrong. For the sake of the Dodgers, I hope you are right. Because of how the McCourt’s have made me feel about the Dodgers this year, I am hoping Andre went with the marriage decision to stay longer.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 1, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh happy day
Can somebody fire Ned already? No wait, can the judge force the fucking McCourts to sell already?
F*CK
If the eyes are the windows to the soul, then these sunglasses are the curtains telling you to keep the fuck out!!!
2010 playoffs
there could very easily be seven new playoff teams in MLB this year. Yankees are probably the only lock for a team that made it last season. Twins and Cardinals still with a good shot and the Red Sox and Phillies with a moderate shot. Dodgers and Rockies are long shots.
Deja Vu?
Last year Broxton blew saves in 4 or 5 of Billingsley’s games he left leading…
Later,
Randy
Dotel a positive
While I am not thrilled on the Dotel trade, some value he may have is if the Dodgers go south in August, perhaps he gets traded to a contender for a decent prospect.
or maybe we can sell him for sweet sweet cash
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 1, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Michael wuz right!!!
We wuz sellers!!! :)
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still a couple of weeks?
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by angelofdeath on Aug 1, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Let’s just hope the AL central stays tight so we might be able to get something for the future hall of famer that occasionally patrols left field on crutches.
GA?
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by angelofdeath on Aug 1, 2010 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Money
I could still harp on Colletti taking money in every trade, but it seems to standard operating procedure now for the team sending veteran talent to also send money to cover part of the salary. A tax on their foolishness to signing the player to such a large contract I suppose.
On that end, I may need to stop criticizing him on it. He may have started or exacerbated this practice of requiring salary to help outset veteran salaries in any trades, but now every team seems to be doing it.
Maybe
but I don’t recall all the other teams getting fleeced as badly for the pleasure of doing so, but thats probably not true.
payroll worksheet updated
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/1/14/720656/dodger-payroll
I assumed Travis Schlichting gets sent down tomorrow. I will have a detailed post about the trade and salary added in the morning.
If you happen to know
Is the payroLl increase offset by the cash received? I wasn’t around for earlier threads and am too lazy to read through all the comments.
All in all, including the cash received, the Dodgers added a net of roughly $3.33 million in all 3 deals this week.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
So, assuming we fill all the holes now currently existing for 2011 with in org players (which I realize is probably a worst case scenario), how bad are the Dodgers in 2011?
Very
In house only, the 2011 rotation is Kershaw, Billingsley, Ely, …..
More moves will be done. Think Padilla x2 or deals like that.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind Padilla coming back, he’s a quality pitcher who’s priced will be lower to other pitchers, such as Lilly.
I have been convinced
Padilla based on his 1 and a less then a half years with us will get a contract good enough to place us out of the bidding
Yeah well
Wolf didn’t plunk everybody within sight either… But I agree, Padilla’s gone…
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I can't see anyone going beyond 2 years.
I think 2 years/$15 million will do it. Maybe a little more. I’ll do that for a second to sign a 3/4 guy.
I would too
Butneither one of us are Frank or Ned.
I was about to ask
How close are our minor leage pitchers to the majors, such as Withrow, Miller, Eovaldi etc. I imagine some of them would at least be candidates near the end of 2011, but could we expect them to crack the rotation next year? Not like it won’t happen anyways with Ned at the helm.
No way
I could easily see Ely starting the season is the number six starter heading into the season. They will sign or trade for 3 starting pitchers IMO this season.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
If they trade for 3 pitchers, than guys like Miller will be used as the bait.
He’s going to be useful either way, might as well be Starting for the Dodgers.
Then he's probably good as gone then.
Unless the Dodgers make an about face and willing to trade WIthrow/Webster/Martin.
Filling holes with org players shouldn't be a worst case scenario
For Ned however, it is… Which is sad…
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by angelofdeath on Aug 1, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
What really is sick
Is that I would probably enjoy that type of team more than what will be fielded for the next eight weeks.
Three words
Free Jaime Hoffmann!!!
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I gotta say, his agent screwed up the pooch on this one. He should have put language in the contract guaranteeing him a 40 man spot this year. Congrats Hoffmann, your agent made you organizational depth without the protection of a 40 man spot.
He had no leverage to do so though
Hoffmann’s agent did two things well for him:
1) get him a relatively higher minor league salary than the norm
2) assure Hoffmann would be given a chance during the spring to win a job, as a Rule 5 pick
Hoffmann didn’t do well enough to make the Yankees. Simple as that.
Comparing WAR for Matt Kemp
Fangraphs:
2006: -0.4
2007: 1.7
2008: 3.2
2009: 5.1
2010: 0.5
B-Ref(WAR uses baseballprojection.com as their source)
2006: -0.6
2007: 1.3
2008: 3.0
2009: 5.8
2010: 2.0
The biggest difference is that Sean Smith’s system still sees Kemp’s defense as a positive, ranking him +2 for this year compared that to fangraphs who thinks that Kemp is the worst CF in the majors this year at -15.3 UZR.
One system ranks Kemp has having an average year, while the other thinks he’s near replacement level. Just goes to shows you the disagreements between systems, and putting too much stock into one set of numbers.
I personally am inclined to Sean Smith’s system since it doesn’t show the heavy defensive regression that fangraphs and UZR shows. Nobody goes from average to the worst fielder in the league with no tangible explanation.
B-ref's sure makes Kemp look a hell of a lot better this year
And Kemp’s UZR has improved from what it was at a few weeks ago, I just wish it could go up even more.
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NL West Standings
| W | L | PCT | GB | STRK | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
San Diego
|
76 | 56 | .575 | 0 | Lost 7 |
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San Francisco
|
74 | 60 | .552 | 3 | Won 2 |
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Colorado
|
69 | 63 | .522 | 7 | Lost 2 |
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Los Angeles
|
68 | 66 | .507 | 9 | Lost 2 |
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Arizona
|
55 | 79 | .410 | 22 | Won 3 |
(updated 9.2.2010 at 3:17 AM PDT)
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