Josh Johnson - Ace
by David Young on Jul 7, 2010 11:49 PM PDT
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PrintThere is a lot of debate about how to define the term "ace" for starting pitchers. No matter what the exact definition is, Josh Johnson qualifies.
Johnson was stellar for eight innings tonight at Dodger Stadium, leading the Florida Marlins to a 4 - 0 victory over the Dodgers. Hiroki Kuroda pitched six excellent innings as well, but he also hurled one not-so-good one, allowing all four Florida runs in the top of the second inning, yielding a three-run home run to Notre Dame of Sherman Oaks product Mike Stanton to complete the night's scoring.
The Ronald Belisario story remains as mysterious as ever. Tony Jackson at ESPN Los Angeles reports:
The agent for Los Angeles Dodgers reliever Ronald Belisario used the word "anxiety" when asked on Wednesday why the right-hander had suddenly, inexplicably been placed on the restricted list by the team for the second time this year, a move the Dodgers announced as being for personal reasons.
Paul Kinzer, Belisario's Atlanta-based agent, wouldn't elaborate beyond that.
"It's just some personal problems, and he's got some things he's got to work through," Kinzer said. "It's just a lot of anxiety, and that is about all I want to say right now."
Pressed on what he meant by the word "anxiety," Kinzer declined to offer details.
WP - Josh Johnson (9-3): 8 IP, 6 hits, 0 runs, 1 walk, 8 strikeouts
LP - Hiroki Kuroda (7-7): 7 IP, 6 hits, 4 runs, 0 walks, 4 strikeouts
S - None
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im worried about Beli
a lot… this isnt good
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jul 8, 2010 12:02 AM PDT reply actions
Ubaldo, Lincecum, Halladay, and Wainwright have something to say about that.
by regfairfield on Jul 8, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Timmy ain’t pitching like Cy Young lately.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Neighter is Ubaldo
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Still has the best strikeout rate in the NL.
by regfairfield on Jul 8, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
not surprising
but his walk rate has, I’m sure, increased
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
NL pitching leaders
WAR
Johnson 4.4
Halladay 4.1
Ubaldo 3.3
Wainwright 3.2
Lincecum 3.1
FIP
Johnson 2.33
Halladay 2.88
Gallardo 2.99
Lincecum 3.04
Wainwright 3.07
x-FIP
Halladay 3.02
Johnson 3.08
Wainwright 3.17
Lincecum 3.26
Haren 3.46
by Eric Stephen on Jul 8, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm obviously not a Marlin's fan
but that should stick. Wonder how they feel about it?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
same here
and now, i must quote
“The cunning kingfish, the bad barracuda. A man so deep, he’s almost unfathomable…(silence) A man so quick, he’s even fast….asleep.”
King Fish just made me think of that.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Halladay – 10 wins
Johnson – 9
Sexy as hell.
by regfairfield on Jul 8, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
might not matter
Wainwright had a better record than Lincecum last year, and Timmy still walked away with the hardware
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
No, I don’t think so. You are making light of something that must be pretty serious for him to give up his work and salary. Although there’s no way to know what the problem is, I was struck by someone’s guess that it could be something like a kidnapping back in Venezuela. That would account for all the actions so far. Of course it could be something completely different, but this “anxiety” is still most likely to be for something very real and frightening that he has to deal with.
yea, i agree
this isnt some bull shit. Bull shit, you put him on the DL or something, but to go on the restricted list, that’s serious. When he uses the word anxiety, and the fact that he isnt on the bereavement list, it isnt a death in the family, at least not a natural one. My guess is a kid napping or a murder… hope he can deal with it and come back soon, but he has to take care of himself and family before baseball..
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jul 8, 2010 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Re: Silverwidow in previous thread
Pick any 5 starters to form the ultimate rotation. Only caveat is that he must have at least 1 full year of MLB service
My picks:
Halladay
Johnson
Lee
Lincecum
Granick
what is?
The Yankees rotation in 5 years?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
These were SilverWidows Picks
Roy Halladay
Felix Hernandez
Josh Johnson
Cliff Lee
Adam Wainwrightby silverwidow on Jul 7, 2010 11:48 PM PDT reply actions
Mine
Felix Hernandez
Wainwright
Halladay
Johnson
Lee – unbelievable to me that Cliff Lee has been the best pitcher in baseball.
I think Lincecum has already peaked but that Felix is starting to peak.
why is it unbelievable?
Because of how much he struggled early on in his career?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Not too many pitchers have breakout years at age 29, in their 7th year in the majors.
That season looked like a flook at the time, here we are in 2010 and he’s putting up even better numbers.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
that's what I figured
I remember last year he was struggling a bit in the beginning with the Indians, and masses were crying “Fluke!! Fluke!!!” (figuratively speaking, I don’t think anyone actually shouted that at him.)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
4 out of 5 for me and you guys
I took Sabathia over Wainwright.
But it is fun either way to see what people come up with. Good topic.
I think
Halladay
Johnson
Felix
Ubaldo
David Clayton Lee Wainwright (tie) :)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Lee
Halladay
Kershaw
Verlander
Wainwright
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I wanted to put Verlander on my list and should have. Just because his numbers aren’t top 5 this year, doesn’t mean he’ll never get back to where he was last year.
Plus, I just like him and Greinke.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
That depends, doesn't it
On how long you are building this dream rotation for. Is it just for one season, or for many seasons to come? For example, I might not pick Johnson if I’m trying to build for the next five year because I fear higher injury risk due to his already having had a serious arm injury.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I would like to go more for the future than right now, so I would exclude CC, Lee, Halladay as a start.
J. Johnson
King Felix
Kershaw
Strasburg
Hughes
I doubt mine looks like many people’s on here, lol.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Well, it doesn't
cos it said 1 year service time. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Stipulation was they needed 1 year of service time
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't mean to go on a rant here
Not to take anything away from the “King Fish” as Vin called him last night, but having GA in the line up is the equivalent of having two pitchers in there.
LH hitters vs. Johnson last night
Furcal – 0-4, 1 K
Ethier – 1-3, 1 BB
Loney – 2-4
GA – 0-3, 1 K
DeWitt – 1-3
XPaul – 0-1
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
i know i know
I actually deleted a lot of the “rant” I was going to post. But still, every time he comes to bat, regardless of the pitcher, I just have no hope of him doing anything.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
indeed, and a few other candy bars as well
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s just your opinion, you could be wrong?
Or am I getting that reference wrong?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
you might be, if you’re responding to me anyway.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
half there
I was waiting for someone to say, “What the hell does rant mean?” ala Family Guy.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I was at a hookah bar during the game last night
and the signal went out. :(
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Ha! I am not. But I played a lot of backgammon. :(
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I could never get into backgammon
Probably because of my bias from being taught chess first. But now I never find the time to play chess.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I assume chess is dead, or will be soon
because you can’t multi-task while playing it.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Backgammon is infinitely easier than chess
I can hold a conversation while doing it and they had a set at the hookah place.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
is that yet another game
that you school guys at?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Good! Smoking is for chumps and chumpettes :P
So how goes the trying to get back with your ex, plan? Mine went down in flames.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
That sucks
mine is more just…stalled at the moment. Or, apathetic. Mostly, I don’t care.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Lol, at least you don’t seem to be as invested as I am, less trouble that way.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
That’s because I’m playing it closer to the vest. Trust me when I say that Reg is probably ready to choke me out over the text messages he’s received over the past, I dunno, 3 or 4 months.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
it's probably for the best man
now you can focus on moving on. It’s hard as hell, but possible
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I still want to be friends, I guess I will have to settle for that for the time being.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
if that works, awesome
it didn’t for me, despite the efforts.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
It sucks when one person puts through way more effort than the other. I hope that’s not what this is going to be like :/
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
hope so too for your sake
because that was my experience
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Not easily, but I’ve been doing it for months now. Is it idiotic to think I will win her yet?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
not idiotic
but you’re probably fooling yourself. If she’s single and isn’t really thinking of you as an option, she probably never will.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
:(
Some people wonder why I get into arguments on here, this is like the only place I have to let out my anger, because I’m way too mellow in person, lol.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
ha
I think we’re a lot alike in that respect.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I would take up boxing
physical venting is much better then emotional venting. Just don’t start drinking.
I could never drink more than once every few weeks
I’ve never had any good tasting alcohol. I need to start playing sports weekly, that really gets out some good frustration.
I know there has been a wiffle ball game in the past, but has there ever been a TBLA softball tourney? I went with my friend last weekend to an Angels get-together for Angelswin.com, and it was a blast…even if it was Angels fans, lol.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
when you get used to the taste of beer
that’s when you start on the slope
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh no
I don’t even want to try beer, it all smells like piss.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Keep in mind this is coming from a guy who had blonde highlights for a while.
Man up son.
by regfairfield on Jul 8, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes I'm sad I only dated one girl
before finding my wife. Then I read about the horrible experiences others have with dating, not so sad.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Less girls = plently of less chances for heartbreak
But it goes both ways, because less fun experiences as well (perhaps).
I would think it’s much less fulfilling to have a ton of different gfs in your teenage and early 20s than to have a couple or a few meaningful relationships.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Nah, I’m just not an asshole :P
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
It's not being an asshole
Dating is normal. Its fun even. You don’t have to settle down into a serious relationship immediately. Women expect to date and when it gets serious you guys can be exclusive.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s where I differ from many people in my age group, I guess.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Remember the whole women like assholes because they don’t complain that no one likes them thing.
by regfairfield on Jul 8, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Women like confidence
Assholes tend to be confident.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
So - what goes through your mind
when you see attractive, but slutty looking girls? “Eww, she is not wholesome enough?”
Lol
Slutty girls are fine, I just prefer nicer girls.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
The things you do with slutty girls you’re not going to be doing with “nicer” girls; I think that’s the point Delias is trying to make.
Of course, you could just be like Luda and hope for a lady on the streets but a freak elsewhere.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
False dichotomy
slutty girls can be nice
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I am just failing you over and over arent i
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Well
Does anyone ever think they lived a perfect life, played it out perfectly with no regrets? I mean, I also would have liked a ton of girls and one meaningful relationship. I got the latter and not the former, and sometimes I regret what I didn’t have.
But in my saner moments, I realize there’s no sense in worrying about it.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 8, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
wise words
But in my saner moments, I realize there’s no sense in worrying about it.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I’ll take the 100 proof captain morgan over beer, and I thought that tasted like I’d imagine drain cleaner tastes like.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Ok, keep in mind that “Natty Ice” is not really beer. I mean, it kind of is, but it’s not good. At all. Ugh.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
it's not meant to be good
it’s cheap and gets a buzz. and no, I don’t drink it, my bro does.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I have been pushing for a softball game for some time now.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 8, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
That would kick some ass
I’ve got a nice swing going right now, too. I will be this team’s James Loney (nice line drive swings, can’t hit it too far in the outfield, though) :)
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I would be GA
probably could play once, clearly over the hill. Or maybe more like Joe Torre – old enough to be other players fathers, plus the previous.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You should volunteer to organize
what with your connections as an ump and all. Plus parks near you are probably centrally located.
I’d volunteer to help you.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I think it would be easy to get it going at one of the fields near the pools at the Rose Bowl. We could even BBQ
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 8, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be awesome, methinks
I wonder if we can actually get enough people to show up to field two full teams?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You can't win her back by being her friend
only by cutting yourself off. She already knows she can have you anytime she wants, that needs to change and it won’t happen with you hanging around like a puppy.
by meercatjohn on Jul 8, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Listen to Phil. He’s right on the money here.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
i agree
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I hate how the good advice
Is the advice where I don’t talk to her or see her. But I know it’s good advice.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
it is
and it sucks sometimes. You just have to move forward with the hope that you’ll meet someone who makes you feel just as good if not better, and who gets that same thing from you so she’ll want you around just as much.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it sucks
and your stomach will do some flips for a while. Then a girl will give you a 2nd look, and your stomach will start do a different kind of flip. If your lucky:) I was.
girls are hard
lets go to the mall!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
today!
Boys aren’t much better, I’m here to tell you. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
people are hard
Maybe what Ivy needs is a puppy
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I'm a cat guy (shudup!)
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
you really can't
no matter how much you just want them to remain a small part of your life.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Rob: You don’t look at the things that you have, you only look at the stuff that you don’t have. Those guys are right about you – you’re money.
Mike: Then why won’t she call?
Rob: She won’t call because you left. she’s got her own life to deal with, man, and that’s in New York… alright? And she’s a sweet girl, and I love her to pieces, but fuck her, man. You gotta get on with your life. You gotta let go of the past. And Mikey, when you do, I’m telling you: the future is beautiful, alright? Look out the window. It’s sunny every day here. It’s like manifest destiny. Don’t tell me we didn’t make it. We made it! We are here. And everything that is past is prologued to this. All of the shit that didn’t kill us is only – you know, all that shit. You’re gonna get over it.
Mike: How did you get over it? I mean, how long did it take?
Rob: Sometimes it still hurts. You know how it is, man. It’s like, you wake up every day and it hurts a little bit less, and then you wake up one day and it doesn’t hurt at all. And the funny thing is, is that, this is kinda wierd, but it’s like, it’s like you almost miss that pain.
Mike: You miss the pain?
Rob: Yeah, for the same reason that you missed her… because you lived with it for so long.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
This quote had me teared up the first time I saw this movie, because it was after my own experience. Swingers baby.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
What is that from?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
that reminds me
that I need to finish that movie.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
haha
My wife just wasn’t enjoying it. I probably just need to get some friends to watch it with me, seems like it would be better that way.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
If you look at being friends as settling you can’t handle being friends.
by regfairfield on Jul 8, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Your only recourse
is to become a millionaire, buy a ferrari, hire a high class call girl, drive by with the top down, lower the shades, peer into eyes, then drive off.
Or instead of the call girl
I’ll just date a hot movie star. Sounds good, right?
This must be my plan!
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Pop star?
Ok, Mandy Moore? Yeah, Mandy Moore.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Just hope he leaves the razor blades at home.
by regfairfield on Jul 8, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Mandy Moore has the cute girl next door thing going.
That seems like Ivdown’s style.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
You hit that one right on the head. She was unbelievable when she was on a couple episodes of Scrubs…oh my god.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
saying "that's funny"
instead of laughing would get kind of annoying though.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
For Mandy Moore
It’s well worth it.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Should have seen her when she was on HIMYM.
Not girl next door there.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
on that note
has anyone seen that Miley Cyrus video. I saw it in Target the other day, what the fuck? Has there been a pop star in the last 10 years that didn’t go the “I’m totally fuckable” route when they turned legal?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
She’s 17.
The answer to your question, Tommy, is Taylor Swift.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
The girl with the song
about doin an older dude when she was like 12?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I know she's 17, she's getting a jump on the market
Taylor Swift? Good for her, but does she really sing a song like nolander says?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that I’m aware of.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Taylor Swift
while fun, isn’t really my thing. I prefer male vocalists, for whatever reason.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
you like Jon Mayer
telling you your body is a wonderland
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
I like Cinjun Tate telling me that he used to have marigolds for eyes. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
heh
that’s a funny image. Never heard the guy though.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
How I Met Your Mother. First episode of Season 3, I believe.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
That show is funny
Though I’ve only seen like 2 episodes.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Who would you suggest then, haha.
I think it’s getting more obvious by the day we need to finally have that chat.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I was
trying to get you a free “In Beard We Trust” Tee last night in the game thread.
I would bet you get one. Just sayin
Awww! That’s awesome! I’ll probably end up buying one anyway.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
You guys are too kind. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Not me!
I was encouraging the person to spend their money at an Adult Entertainment establishment. I even said if it were me, I’d make it rain!
I'm still enjoying the thought of this idea :)
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
It seemed more reasonable
than that person blowing a pile of dough at a fancy restaurant.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The plan to go is still on
Can I just have the crown of biggest idiot and get it over with?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Nah, man
This is part of life. These are the lessons you learn so you know what to expect the next time and you know what you want to do and what not to do. I mean, as long as you didn’t scream at her and berate her and make her feel miserable (which has happened to me), then it was worth a shot.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I guess it’s better that she asked me if we were just going as friends rather than me buying her flowers then going to dinner then asking her to be my gf…MUCH better, hahah.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
So you didn’t even get to have the conversation?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Nope
I told her where i made reservations, she got really excited, but then said something like “I just want to clarify that we are just going as friends, right? I don’t want to lead you on.”
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
props to her for saying this ahead of time
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 8, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Better than me telling her exactly how i feel and asking her to be my gf
So I agree.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Keith and David were telling me to buy you one, hahah.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
In that case
my birthday is in September. ;)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
just tune in tonight for…….THE DECISION!!!!!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll admit
I really want this to be super hyped and crazy and zomg zomg…and then I want it to be hilarious when the Heat loses to the Lakers in the Finals.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I can’t wait for Lebron to not win the championship next year.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Even if they have Bosh, Wade, and LBJ
They aren’t better than the Lakers.
Chalmers and Blake = Wash
Kobe and Wade = Wash
LeBron and Artest = LeBron
Pau and Bosh = Pau
Bynum and ??? = Bynum
Laker Bench and Heat Bench = Laker Bench
Laker Coaches and Heat Coaches = Laker Coaches
heh yeah
I think I said in another thread, It’d be funny if after all this free agent hooplah, if the 2011 NBA Finals was Lakers vs. Magic
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Keep in mind this isn't just a one year play
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Ya, they’ll actually get better as time goes on. They get to use the MLE next season and thereafter and be able to draft complementary players.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually agree with Simmons
unless they get some really good guys to agree to sign for the minimum, it’s gonna be hard for them to keep it up in Miami — if he goes to Miami. I personally think LeBron should either go to Chicago or stay in Cleveland.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I'm sure they can get some guys to sign for cheap just to play with them
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
How? These signings will push them over the cap. But you only get the MLE if you enter free agency over the cap (I think) so how are they going to sign anybody but D-Leaguers?
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe not this year
but in the future. I don’t know man, the NBa has the most stupidest salary structure. Its just confusing to be confusing.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
You don't think they can win at all
With the Beasly, Lebron, Wade, Bosh and Chalmers? They need to fill out their bench sure but I imagine they will still be a force.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Chalmers is not good.
Filling out the bench is not a possibility, at least not the way you think they can. They litterally have the money to pay people the minimum. That doesn’t mean getting guys like Steve Blake and Mike Miller and hoping they will sign on for a championship (they won’t.) It means getting guys like Mike Taylor and Nick Fazekas.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
they were saying on Sportscenter
that they would likely trade Beasly to make space for LBJ
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
that would just be silly
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Why? Beasley doesn’t help you. He’s not a SF (besides the Heat are about to sign a really good one) and he’s going to be blocked by Bosh at PF.
Assuming people view him as an asset, and he probably has some value considering he’s basically on a one year deal, you need to flip him to fill out the roster.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
SC
was saying he would likely go to the Raptors in a sign and trade.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
unless one or more of Wade, Bosh, or LeBron take less than a max contract, they have to trade Beasley.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 8, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought someone was saying they could sign them all regardless
Oh well, I’ll just shut up now, I really don’t know that much about basketball or contracts in basketball.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I’ve been tyring to convince Eric that he needs to learn the basketball salary cap as well as he knows the rules for baseball. You know, for the benefit of all of us.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Sersiously
The only reason I fear a salary cap in baseball, is that the contracts will get as confusing as the NBA and NFL.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Or like Tripon says, teams will start acting like its a requirement to spend up to the cap every year which will result in shitty PVL contracts.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Under the cap rules, you can sign any player to a “minimum” contract without going over the cap. The minimum number is a sliding scale, depending on experience, but it can be done.
It’s just up to the players to agree to it.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 8, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
D-Leaguers are the guys that take the minimum.
When guys like Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake are making the MLE, not sure who is going to say screw it and play with Lebron and Wade.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
but that’s what Miami would be banking on.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 8, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Riffing off the other thread, What's the worst starting rotation you can make out of current starters?
Randy Wolf
Kevin Millwood
Doug Davis
Brian Moehler
Gil Meche
Matt Cain
Tim Lincecum
Jonathan Sanchez
Barry Zito
Madison Bumgarner
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
by Maddz on Jul 8, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Millwood is on the DL
Hopefully that keeps Ned from sniffing around him (he pitches in the AL East!) for this season.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The Nets signed Travis Outlaw to a 5 year $35MM deal.
Insane.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
He averaged
9 and 3 last year.
He must be from NJ and gave them the home town discount! :)
What a stupid deal.
Your logic would never make it in the NBA.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
theres a min you need to spend in the NBA
and the new nets owner wipes his shit with hundos so it doesn’t even matter to him.
It should matter. Because locking in replacement level wings for 5 years will hurt in the long run, no matter how rich you are.
You can’t buy your way out of every problem in the NBA.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
When you give Travis Outlaw
that kind of money, all it does is handcuff you when you actually hit on a couple of players. No one will take that shitty contract off your hands and you are stuck with his shitty ass.
I don't know.
I bet they are nervous. They have a decent roster without LBJ, but they are a non-factor in the big picture if he leaves…..which he won’t do.
Josh Johnson is indeed an ace
The Dodgers should acquire him!
/jim_alexander, ON
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Aces grow on trees apparently!
Dodgers need to grow more of them. And quickly! Are you listening, McCourt?
/jim_alexander, OFF
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
lets get that strasburg kid too
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 8, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Sports writers have too much damn time on their hands
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100708
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Feels like
the Jack Bauer school of sports writing.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh shit we can only fill half the show with meaningful stuff!
Quick insert a mole, a triple agent, and some bullshit with his daughter that has nothing to do with the main plot!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I watched 5.5 seasons
I figure I’ll go back and watch the 7th eventually.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I think I watched about 4 eps of the last season, the rest is still on my DVR, i have to get to watching it.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
no, it's not bad
I am just distracted by Dodger games and other stuff.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I stopped watching after season 5 or 6...cant remember
There didn’t seem much more shock they could cram into a season anymore short of aliens attacking (which I am pretty sure was going to be the plot of the next season if it got renewed)
More or less the same here
It was just the same gimmicks over and over, but with better production values.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
so S&T of beasley
leaves them with 4 players-chalmers, lebron, wade and bosh.
they will have the MLE, LLE and bi annual right? and any vet mins they can sign.
lol this will be funny.
No they won't
I don’t think. I think you after enter free agency under the cap to get those exceptions.
You can’t sign and trade to get over the cap, then get the exceptions.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m telling you, get Nick Fazekas out of Kazakstan Basketball Association.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
reply fail
but I mean they could trade beasly for I don’t know… player(s)?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I think you are overestimating Beasley’s value.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
probably
but its not like they couldn’t get anyone at all for him, leaving them with more then 4 players, or would they seriously better off just dumping him for no one?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
It depends. If the reports are true and they have to move Beasley to bring in Lebron and Bosh, teams won’t exactly bend over backwards to help them. A conditional second round pick for Beasley sounds about right.
Had Lebron and Bosh gone to Chicago and the Bulls needed to move Deng, I assumed it would have been Deng and a number 1 pick for a conditional second round pick. Teams aren’t stupid.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
What would Atlanta give them?
I’m guessing a whole lot of nothing.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
no
I meant they’re stupid for giving all that money to Joe Johnson.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
they were saying they could trade Beasly, and still have about $1.5 million to sign some bench guys, and that you could sign guys at the minimum and go over the cap without penalty. At least that’s what I think I heard, I was getting ready to go to sleep by then.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
You can’t go over the cap without penalty. That doesn’t make any sense.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
You can go over the cap, to sign minimum contracts.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 8, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Right.
So basically the ways to go over cap
1) Resign your own free agents (MIA must renounce to be able to sign max free agent)
2) Use an exception, but you have to have already been over the cap.
3) Sign players at the minimum.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
it get’s really formulaic, but that was kinda the charm for me. I mean, a lot of times my dad would ask what happened, and I’d tell him, “Jack pointed a gun in some guy’s face and yelled at him to tell him what he knew.” It was always the truth.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
and during the first few seasons he would ask, “Did his daughter get kidnapped yet?”
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
nolander’s reply fail, but we forgive him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
NO NO NO
I was replying to npurcell Reply fail. duh.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
ah yes
so now hopefully he forgives me for my explanationFAIL
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I loved the first 3 seasons, and liked the 4th
After that it was too much.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Srsly guys
Does anyone know if their is an escape character for comments?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
OT: Michael
How much stuff does a POD store?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
There are different sizes, but they esitmate it pretty well. I had a 2 bedroom house that I was able to fill when moving a few years ago.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
If she gets the POD
she has to have a party in it while listining to this song
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Best part of last night's game for me
Vladimir Shpunt (VladimirShpunt) is now following your tweets on Twitter.
OK, not technically part of the game, but that’s just how it was going last night.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The Habit
Is delicious.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
It was like being at In N out
in a bizarre alternate universe where spread was never invented.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
mine was nail-biting
but I got over it….but that’s not important.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Its like
In N Out, but without the Spread.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Amazing milk shakes and onion rings.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 8, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Mike, Eric and I ate there before heading to DS for blogger night
The burger was quite good and I liked the fries better than In N Out.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
After he got sent back to ABQ, he needed to take time off for personal reasons.
He hasn’t yet returned.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Liriano
He’s a much different pitcher since surgery. When he was destroying the AL as a rookie, I remember 97 mph fastballs w/unhittable sliders.
He still throws hard now but he gets a TON of Ks via change up. He’s really excellent, obviously, and underrated.
$7 mill this year
according to Cots. But he seems to be in line for a pay day. Gotta wonder how his stats will transfer leaving CBP. Aaron Rowand didn’t fare so well
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe the Phillies haven't noticed the struggles
of most of the sure fire prospects these days. If they think they can just move Dominic Brown into the starting lineup without taking huge hit I think they are mistaken in 2010. Francisco has to spell Ibanez.
With Utley out, Werth is the Phillies best hitter. Brown can’t spell his own name. It would have to be a fire sale type move.
by regfairfield on Jul 8, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Sticky beds are the worst.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 8, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
This reminds me of a hilarious Jim Gaffigan joke about cinnabuns.
“Do I sit in it or do I eat it. I can sit in it AND eat it. Well this is sticky without pants.”
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
hot poooockeeeettttt
or in spanish
Calienteeeeee pockeeettttttt!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
You've got a gift my friend
Don’t hide that in a bushel basket.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
This is why the Howard contract was dumb imo
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 8, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really. Burrell also fell off a cliff when he left CBP.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I see that now
I blanked on how much Burrell sucked on the Rays. He’s done ok since coming back to the NL. Or has he started to drop off?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Our School
Just switched to Google Apps (Education) for all our employees. I am now worshipping the Google overlords. It is awesome.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 8, 2010 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
So you moved everyone to the business version of Gmail?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Yes - Google Mail Premium
Most fled back to outlook and now rely on the Google Outlook Synch program. Not being able to sort on Gmail is very lame.
The price was 2500 for 50 users which was the same price I was paying for Spam filtering. Google mail already has Postini integrated in their product and the volume of spam has dropped 95%. On the other hand mail coming from China has a tendency to end up in the spam folder so that is a problem.
Not being able to sort? That’s what labels are for my friend!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 8, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Since Eric is Captain Google
does he serve directly under the Google Overlords?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Ya, I’m not understanding how that works under the cap….
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
No. I’m not an expert on the salary cap by any means.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
If I have read everything correctly, I believe getting Miller would involve all of:
1) trading Beasley
2) having Wade and Bosh take less than max contracts
Apparently with the news yesterday of the increased cap (~$2m more than last season) the Heat could afford to keep Beasley and still sign all three, as long as Wade & Bosh sign a deal for roughly $1m less than max in the first season.
I would imagine an MLE Miller would fit into Beasley’s spot if this is true.
I have no idea in what order they have to complete moves though.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 8, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
its madness! Pure maddness!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Do you really want to win this way?
As a player?
As a fan?
I would be kind of embarassed in a Yankees $200M+ kind of way.
Only Laker fans complain about that.
Lakers have won so many that the fans can afford to want an “organic” team.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Since then, it seemed things changed. I was blown away at how Laker fans here wanted to play the Celtics because they wanted to earn their title the hard way.
I find that a little crazy. I want the Dodgers to play the Reds, Padres, and Twins en route to a World Series.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
For years I have gone to games
that I expect them to win and stayed away from the Josh Johnson games.
I tried that with the Clippers but as you know that is not an easy task.
I went 11-5 at Clipper games last year!
I had the same gameplan. Lots of games against Memphis, Minnesota and New Jersey.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Last year I wanted the Phillies rather than the Rockies
Obviously that didn’t end well, but I wanted retribution for 08.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I was kind of embarassed as a Laker fan to sign both Malone and Payton even though they were both on the tail end of their careers. Esp since both took obvious pay cuts to do so.
I didn't mind them taking pay cuts
I minded them trying to piggy back a rink on the backs of Shaq/Kobe because they were never good enough to do it on their own.
I'm fine with piggybacking
as long as you are part of a “normal” team building process. ie – You earn around what you are suppose to.
Headline just now that made me do a doubletake
(as if I’d stepped through a time portal)
“Blue Jays To Sign Dickie Thon For $1.5MM”
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Tired Gay succumbs to Dix in 200 meters
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6622I420100703
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Saw that yesterday
Best headline of the year, hands down.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha
But I did a doubletake because I remember Dickie Thon from my own childhood. But it’s Spawn of Thon, of course.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Hate to see this lost in the minor league thread
From Kensai explaining the suckitude of GA.
Example
Take an extremely raw example.
138 PA
-12.4 wRAA/Batting
-1.0 Position
4.6 Replacement Level
-0.6 Fielding
=
-9.4 RAR=-1.0 WAR
Now if your hypothesis was true, Garret Anderson hitting at the same level with more playing time would be worth more. Let’s extrapolate to 500 PA.
500 PA
-44.9 wRAA/Batting
-6.0 Position
16.7 Replacement Level
-3.4 Fielding (generous rating with a three year sample instead of just using -8.8)
=
-37.6 RAR=-3.8 WAR
So by Garret Anderson playing more at this level he loses 2.8 more games if his replacement was replacement level, which is unlikely given the Dodgers alternatives.
But wait, let’s correct for BABIP and assume he gets better with playing time.
500 PA
-24.4 wRAA/Batting
-6.0 Position
16.7 Replacement Level
-3.4 Fielding (generous rating with a three year sample instead of just using -8.8)
=
-17.1 RAR=-1.7 WAR
Saddest part about that is that it’s assuming his full season production while giving every break possible to his current situation.
by kensai on Jul 8, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
like I said
it’s like having another pitcher in the lineup
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Another MLBTR headline that troubled me
“Phillies Discussing Werth Trades”
Please don’t trade him to SF, Phillies or I may cry.
How about this: Trade Manny (this’ll make Phil happy) to an AL team, then trade for Werth, then re-sign him or lose him in exchange for Type A picks. Works!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I don't want Werth
I may start and “Over-rated” chant :P
I really do not want Werth on this team.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
You can be like the guys in the all you can eat section
Who chanted Werth-less all game 2 years ago.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
My nickname for him 05 on with my cousin
was Jayson Werth-less :)
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
How is he overrated exactly?
(Besides by Charlie Manuel ;-) )
he can mash and field. I’m not on the “trade Manny” bandwagon but would do that exchange in a second.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
They'll never trade him to us
Unless they think they are out of the race
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Sorry pally
:-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
that scamp
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Also, Chris Paul has switched to LeBron’s marketing company. Imagine this at some point?
PG: Paul
SG: Wade
SF: LeBron
PF: Bosh
Don’t know who would play Center, but it doesn’t really matter.
I can play center for that team and win a title
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
As a 5'5" dude with zero athletic ability
I’d like to throw my hat in the ring to play center for the Heat.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 8, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
There was a rumor
that he and lbj and dwade and bosh all decided when they where in china to play together.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I would rather sign Ethier to a long term extension than sign Werth to a long term extension.
I believe Ethier as a left hander can hit for a higher wOBA and OPS+ than Werth as a right hander.
Doesn't mean
He wouldn’t be worth trading for.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
See Underdogs suggestion ^^^
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
where can I lookup WAR?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
B-Ref or Fangraphs. They use different methods though, especially for pitchers.
by regfairfield on Jul 8, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe we decided the WS and Rays.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
"How do you feel about Cleveland?"
{quotes Tootsie randomly}
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
that is an interesting thought seeing as we will
be payin manny for the next three years after this one
For silverwidow and other prospect watchers
Kenley Jansen
With the dominance he has shown since becoming a reliever last season, what grade do you think he will get by the end of the year, and do you think he has good trade value?
“You’re the only woman to ever love me.” “I never loved you.” “I meant physically!”
by Ivdown on Jul 7, 2010 10:07 AM PDT reply actions
jansen
I’d give him something like a B-/B right now…which is a high grade for a reliever. Would like to see the walks come down a bit, but the K/IP ratios stands out as a huge positive. If he keeps up his current level i could give him a B by the end of the year.
by John Sickels on Jul 8, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Jansen definitely looks to be a top 5 prospect right now for the Dodgers
He just shot right the hell up, crazy.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Withrow
Miller
Webster
Jansen
Gordon
Sands (possibly…if he actually sees him play, LOL)
I think each of these guys has a good chance at a B-, B, or B+ status. Possibly Ethan Martin as well if he improves his numbers for the rest of the year.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
my B-'s off the top of my head
Jonathan Garcia
Garrett Gould
Travyon Robinson
Blake Smith
Ethan Martin
All for different reasons.
I’m hearing Cliff Lee for Justin Smoak rumors. Texas might not be able to cover Lee’s salary, so they’d have to surrender more than one blue chipper.
I've heard that too
among the myriad of other ones. I heard they’d want Jarod Saltalamacchia(sp?) as well.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s what is so frustrating about it. only way we get Lee is if there is a third team involved.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
apparently though
the Dodgers are among a few teams watching Roy Oswalt today.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yah just saw that tweet
I’d love Oswalt. But he’s a free agent after the season, right? And has veto power over trades? And would still cost a lot to get… (Although it is the Astros, you never know…)
I’d give them a couple of overrated prospects for Oswalt though. :-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
no he's not a free agent
he has this year, next year, and an option. He does have veto power, but he says he would go to any team he feels he could win on, regardless of where they are. He would cost a lot. The Astros have said they’d pay a portion of his salary to get better prospects though.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yah I looked the contract up after I wrote that. Cool.
So the upside is he’s under contract til end of 2011. The downside is the financial cost, would the Dodgers be able to afford it? And if not, as you point out they would they have to toss in another good prospect in order to get Astros to eat some of the $ (shudder). But the upside is, he’s awesome. The downside is, he’s getting up there and had some recent injury history. But he’s Roy Oswalt!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
he’s actually younger than Lee. I also think the injury thing might be a little overblown, but I say that admitting I don’t have a lot of knowledge of the situation.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Oswalt is older, but not by much
Oswalt: August 29, 1977
Lee: August 30, 1978
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
seriously?
I thought I heard Lee was 33. I’d take your word over mine though.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I looked it up
because I didn’t know. So unless b-r.com is wrong ….
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
it probably isn't
I looked him up on Wikipedia too. said the same thing.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually if he waves his nt clause
He will most likely demand his 11-12 option to get picked up so he would be 2 years at 32 mill
heh
we need buttons for that “I believe in Tommy Blackjack”
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't see anything
but I often can’t see pics on my work comp
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, we just don’t have the talent to get him. These are some names that we have heard associated with a Lee deal:
Justin Smoak
BJ Upton
Yonder Alonso
Jenry Mejia
Wilson Ramos
Aaron Hicks
and haven’t all those guys, except Hicks, seen ML time?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
well Dr. Scholl’s has this new freezing treatment you can buy….
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
See:
https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/18057162793
Teams with scouts here watching Oswalt: Dodgers, Phillies, Rays and Mets.
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Just read that there will be extra squad cars on patrol tonight in Akron. Just in case there’s a riot or something.
I would say something about it's just sports
but between the Browns and the Indians, the Cavs have been the closest thing to sports glory that Ohio has had in a long time.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: the future is now
just had to share this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/08/us/08sandwich.html?_r=2&src=me
so pretty soon
we’ll have cupcake in a cup?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
not new really
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
So its interesting to see the trades that brought players here and sent them elsewhere
gutierrez for bradley..then turned and shopped bradley for Ethier
Listening to Tupac right now
It’s sad that he has passed. . .His songs have such a positive message
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 8, 2010 1:17 PM PDT reply actions
listening to Recovery by Eminem
triumphant in a way. “I went through all this and lived!” Helps that I know someone who did something similar.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yet
He got himself killed by running with gang bangers and participating in a fight with other gang members. Practice what you preach.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Ya
That hit em up song was positive enough to be played at church
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Listen to
Changes, Dear Mama, Ghetto Gospel/ / those songs are awesome
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 8, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t say I disliked Hit Em Up. I’ll admit, I still listen to it when working out. But let’s not kid ourselves about Tupac’s “message”
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Really amazed
that Zito only gave up two runs (one inherited run by his bullpen) on seven hits and six walks. Must have been some kind of tight rope act.
Brewers looked absolutely awful in that series vs Giants
They are on my shit list for it.
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Yep
The Dodgers need to do the same to the Cubs so the NL Central can officially be pathetic and I can be in more forgiving mood.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
they're not yet?
I mean, besides the Reds and Cardinals, isn’t every team below .500? Oh, but the NL West is still the weakest division.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Corey Hart should just have left town with them.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 8, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
they're still there
he might still do it.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
for Hart?
I know they’ve been wanting a slugging right-handed outfielder for awhile now.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Or did they pull him early so he could catch flight to LA? ;-)
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ha
he’ll come back with the scout who watched him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Shutout
though it was the Pirates, so put as much emphasis into that as you want. 118 pitches in 9 innings is legit though.
well, Strasburg murdered the Pirates too
which caused the baseball media to need a change of pants.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
at that point they were looking to villanize or praise him. For a guy like Oswalt, it’s just another start. Strasburg will get to that point too some day.
true
i’m sure he hopes it’s not “Just another start, where he also lost”
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike Miller to Clippers?
The Clippers reportedly have a big offer on the table for free agent Mike Miller.
Miller is also said to be considering an offer from the Heat and the Knicks may be ready to offer him a big contract as well. Whoever misses out on him will likely turn their focus to Kyle Korver.
Sounds terrible
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 8, 2010 1:32 PM PDT reply actions
What sounds terrible? Going after MIller, or settlign on Korver?
Don’t see LAC going crazy to match Miller’s offer from NYK.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Giving Mike Miller a "big offer" is a terrible idea
I would just wait it out till next season, and not panic and throw my money out there for a role player
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 8, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think they are going to go punch for punch and try to beat the Knicks offer.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
If nothing else, acquiring someone like Oswalt would
shut up the contingent of fans and reporters who chant the “Dodgers need an Ace” mantra (i.e., maybe that dead horse would stop being beaten). They may not make the playoffs even with him but hey, at least those fans wouldn’t have that go to whine.
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No it wouldn't
Frank never gets credit for anything.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Frank McCourt makes it pretty easy to criticize him on this. The Dodgers are one of the only teams who consistently trade prospects for other teams to pay salary.
The Dodgers are also one of the only teams to make it to the NLCS two years in a row.
I don’t give a fuck about having money and prospects and not winning (ie, what the Dodger did the 20 years before Frank showed up.)
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You actually want to get guys like Oswalt? Then you better give yourself the opportunity to actually trade for him. And I didn’t realize that Frank McCourt is the reason why we’re winning. The guy is a fucking parasite on the Dodgers with the way he withdraws funds from the team.
Exactly my point. The team sucked before Frank got here and has been good since. But you shit on him because he’s an easy target.
What owner doesn’t withdraw money from the team? What a weak complaint.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s no correlation between Frank McCourt and the success of the Dodgers. The Dodgers had just as good teams during the Fox era but didn’t make the post season vs. when they did with Frank McCourt.
The 2008 team had no business making the post season, yet its ultimately viewed as a success because it played in a horrifically bad NL West.
No correlation, huh?
The Dodgers could have not offered arb to every one of their arb eligibles last season and operated like the Marlins. The Dodgers could have easily not signed Garret Gould, or re-signed Manny, or re-signed Furcal and run the team on the cheap.
With the exception of the Gould signing, all of those elective moves helped the Dodgers get where they are now.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
If there is no correlation between Dodger success and McCourt
why is there one between him and Dodger failure?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
An owner has three responsibilities:
Sign fat checks (he’s average at this now after being decent at it)
Keep things cheap for fans (very bad)
Not be publicly embarrassing (extremely bad)
So that averages out to a pretty bad.
Then again my dream owner signs huge payroll checks from the Carribean while doing blow with hookers.
My dream owner
Would sign huge checks from the front row, not take it out on the fans in the form of higher everything, and go belligerent in the media attacking our rivals. I’m all for anything that spurs on the rivalries.
heh
I just remembered a commercial where they were poking fun at the Yankees and Steinbrenner. In the commercial George had hurt his check-signing hand, and it was a “devastating injury” for the Yankees. I think it was for a Visa check card.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree with your second one
it should be:
find the price points that balance with demand to maximize income (pretty good)
After all, they are still selling plenty of tickets and plenty of parking space and plenty of $10/$11 24-oz beers.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I don't know where you are buying them
but the ones I’ve bought all season were $10 regular / $11 premium in a 24-oz cup. And, yes, I measured the cup at home later. And that’s the same price as last year.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
the hell with where I'm buying them
where are you buying them?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I buy
what is essentially a Miller Lite tall can in a cup for $12.25 at a stand on the Reserve Level.
My cards are on the table.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
When I buy beer
its Gordon Biersch big bottle (in a cup) for $12.25 on the loge level.
My double gin and tonic, however, costs $17.
Reserve Deck
All the taps are $10 for domestic, $11 for premium in the 24 oz cup, as recently as Tuesday. My wife always gets Miller Lite, I get Blue Moon (or Dos Equis once) without the stupid orange slice that takes up valuable beer room. I actually have one of those cups right here on my desk (water glass) and it is stamped “24 oz cup” right on the bottom.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
but but
the orange is delicious
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
The only time a fruit should be added to a beer
is a lime to a Corona because that is the only way to keep from gagging on the vile stuff, and a lime w/ salt to a Tecate, because that is the only way it gets any flavor at all.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Are you basing this on payroll? We ran just as high or even higher payrolls doing the Fox years. We had just as good as season records during the FOX years. We actually heavily invested in our drafts and internationally during the FOX years.
Except they ran against the best teams the NL West saw in the decade. They had to face the Barry Bonds lead Giants, and the 2001 World Champions D’Backs.
The McCourts teams didn’t have to face that kind of competition and were able to excel. Come on, the recent Dodgers teams had it easier during the current run.
Am I basing what on payroll? I pointed out the moves McCourt made which were completely optional.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Which seems to be based on payroll. I’m pointing out the Fox lead team would do similar stuff if they were still in charge.
Fox
would already have traded Kershaw for Gary Sheffield.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Its hard not to be skeptical of McCourts finances
Its a fucking mess.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
In a lot of those years
we didn’t even have the prospects.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
And last year it was, sign Garret Gould
He did, and it becomes time to whine about something else.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
have a higher payroll than the Twins!!!! (I’m joining in the sarcasm btw)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
What pleasure do you get from having a higher draft budget than other teams? Is that a fun thing? Is that what you like about baseball?
Cash can be allocated in a whole bunch of different areas, the point is to win, not to spend money.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Jaime needed another house to store shoes in
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
When did
Jamie become English for Imelda?
(Jamie does love her strappy-ass heels though.)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Servicing massive amounts of debt
Haven’t we had this convo already?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The fucking roster
The team that everybody here thinks is good enough to win the division.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the point of contention here is that we could be spending more, seeing as they are the Los Angeles Dodgers.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
But, but we’re the Dodgers!
I love the entitlement argument. Of course the Dodgers could spend more, what team couldn’t?
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Plenty
Few teams have the resources that the dodgers should have.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Should have?
Why? He doesn’t own the broadcast rights. Sure its a big market that is shared buy a half dozen other professional teams for popularity and dollars.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you forget the fact that he hardly even owns the team
basically just borrowed all the money?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I’m not really sure what that has to do with the comment you are responding to.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If you’re going to try to trade prospects for veterans and find out that your farm system can’t support it and you don’t spend enough on the draft or sign international FAs, you have a problem.
Ya, the Dodgers suck. They have a huge problem which is clear to everybody I guess….
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, are you intentionally being obtuse or is this a sticking point for you? There was an article in the LAT the other day about how the Dodgers spend a very little amount, RELATIVELY, on the draft and international scouting. I can see how that is alarming, given that it’s a huge market team with a huge ass stadium and high prices.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
You seem to have made a huge jump from
saying Frank never gets credit for anything to thinking anyone thinks the Dodgers suck. The organization as a hole could be a whole lot better, just because we went to the NLCS two years in a row does not change the infrastructure of an organization.
Tripons pointing to a problem which I don’t see.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
But everyone else apprently does.
Eh, if you don’t think its a problem, fine. But I want as much talent in the system so we can actually use it somehow, and I feel that we don’t.
Sure, and I want the Yankees payroll. It’s nice to want things I.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Spending in the draft year in and year out is a lot cheaper than maintaining a Yankees size payroll.
The amount we pay out to Andruw and Manny in deferred payments in 2011-2013 is roughly twice what the Dodgers budget for the draft per year.
Its costs relatively small to pay the signing bonuses in the draft.
Then again he may have looked at the cost/benefit
of wasting bonus money on 16 year olds who never come close to panning out and said no thanks.
I personally find it better than paying Andruw Jones based on past production and not understanding how to project his future production.
Really?
You’d rather give $6 Million to some 16 year old who might pan out in seven years then give 18 Million to someone who has had a HOF career up to the point of prior year and was < 35 years old?
We may have whiffed on Jones, but I’ll take the ability to forecast future production based on peripherals then I would on some skinny Dominican who might have plenty of physical tools but not any emotional tools.
I was thinking more 18 or 21 year old draftees.
And drafting signinablity guys and giving them a million per draftee is much more appealing than giving 32 million to a guy who produced .222/.311/.413
At some point we needed to back away and reassess things.
I can't argue with you on this
I loved the Andruw Jones signing at the time, and felt he’d bounce back to be worth the contract.
Yes, but you also cited international signings, and the teams that spend a lot do blow a lotta dough on 16 year olds in the D-R.
At some point we needed to back away and reassess things.Maybe they have. It’s what Ned is talking about when he says he was impatient before and more patient now. For example, he wasn’t going to sign Orlando Hudson until he was still around and at a price point Ned would buy at. He didn’t sign a veteran starting 2B this year, opting for DeWitt plus relatively cheap insurance.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Or
not deferring money on contracts
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Not to our extent
The last time BH looked it up, many teams had deferred contracts but we were right there at the top. When you start deferring Carroll contracts, you are on an island by yourself.
Frank McCourt will end up recapitalizing this team anyway when this all shakes out. He’ll have to pay out Jamie for her half of the proceeds so he’ll have to take on a partner to do that and he’ll bring in another two or so to provide additional liquidity. Plus the broadcast rights will eventually kick in.
This team is not going the Texas Rangers route.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If you have enough capital to cover the amount that Jamie will take out of the franchise
Assuming that’s how the court case settles out, do you really want to partner up with McCourt and the debt levels that exist (and you would see the real numbers)? If you have that much clout, wouldn’t you rather put together your own group to buy him out?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
There’’s only so many baseball teams.
If individual investors won’t jump in he’ll go the OKC route and get hedge fund backing. Wait till people see how they start jacking up ticket prices when all they care about is squeezing money out of the team (as opposed to the cache of being an owner like McCourt and other individuals care about.)
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
What sort of debt-loading would hedge fund managers be comfortable with? But you might be right, if they thought they could jack up prices more and increase revenue at the same time.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
That’s an open ended question. They would compare the debt level to the projected EBITDA. If they feel like they can earn enough money to support the debt level and throw in new cash to expand the earnings, then they do it.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder how much amortization DS has left
Do they do amortization for something like that on a 50-year table? That would have a couple years left. The field level remodeling and baseline box seats probably has a bunch left. The seat replacements maybe.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Are you thinking depreciation, or amortization?
When McCourt bought the stadium, he was able to start a new depreciation schedule based on his purchase price. His improvement projects since then would each be on their own schedules.
If we’re talking about how a lender looks at it, though, McCourt’s lenders are almost certainly looking at cash flow rather than taxable income.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
Depreciation is for tax purposes.
If they leveraged the stadium they would repay it on an amortization schedule.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the McCourts
are already reaching the point of diminishing returns with the price hikes they instituted for the premium seats. They lost seats this past season in the expensive area’s and selling more 1 for 2 does not make up the revenue.
Frank is the one who has dropped the payroll
20,000,000 from two years ago
spent less on international free agents then anyone in baseball
spends less on the draft then anyone in baseball
deferred contract after contract
He made his bed, if you want to defend him, feel free but he is not a victim here.
He’s not a victim. Just pointing out that people will keep whining because that’s what they do.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
And
Frank has earned some of those complaints just as much as he’s earned the right to say he has produced a winner for most of his regime.
He earned that right?
I thought we drafted this core after he got here? Maybe he’s owned the team for longer than I thought.
DeWitt, Kershaw
drafted post-McCourt. All other drafted starters and key relievers came before.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
That was my point
he’s living the dream. He gets to take credit for the success of his predecessors. Just like Ned is taking credit for those drafted before he got there.
I think one of biggest complilments Ned gets
is for not trading a lot of those guys.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on
this is the old Ned/Depo/Evans BS. The team is comprised of all of them but Frank was the man paying the bills, he gets the credit when they win. Doesn’t matter what GM built the team. He’s paying for it.
Kershaw, Furcal, Blake, Andre, Manny, Carroll, Kuroda, Padilla, Belisario have made as much if not more contributions then the likes of Loney, Martin, Kemp, Broxton, Billingsley, Kuo.
Loney and Martin as I’m often told should be simply non – tendered.
No
You are going out of your way to defend him, not simply telling people to stop whining. People have legitimate beef with McCourt and the way he has handled the finances of the dodgers.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
This fucking team has gone to the NLCS two years in a row.
You people act like you’re watching the Orioles out there.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
This is what I’m struggling with. Is spending money the end game?
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
No, it’s winning, but it really helps.
The Dodgers can get by with a lower payroll than normal and a low draft budget because of cheap players taken by Dan Evans. Skimping on the draft has left us without cheap players to replace them with which is going to start being a real issue by next year.
If McCourt raises the payroll 20-25 million next year to replace Manny and two starters, it would eliminate a lot of complaints.
You wish the Dodgers drafted in the top 5 picks every year? ;-)
I wish I had them too but that’s as much a matter of being a shitty team drafting at the top than it is being smart.
that said I give Logan White more credit than Ned or Frank when it comes to the Dodgers recent success (though for all his faults Ned deserves some credit, too)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Again
you are way over reacting to a simple comment. Of all the comments being made in this thread, yours seem to be the most obstinate.
Whoa whoa whoa
This is a conversation regarding the DRAFT, SCOUTING, and PAYROLL. Yes, the Dodgers have fielded a very good squad and they are playing pretty well.
The issue is that people are frustrated that we can’t be involved in conversations regarding top flight FAs or trades because we don’t have the FARM SYSTEM to back that up. How is this difficult to understand? Have I taken my crazy pills today where logic doesn’t make sense?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
That is not what the conversation is about. It started with underdog saying at least getting Oswalt will get certain fans to stop whining. I disagreed with that position.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it is inconsistent
to enjoy the success of the recent teams on the field and to be worried about the financial state of the Dodgers and what that means to the future teams.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I guess one can be worried if they are so inclined. I’d rather just enjoy what’s actually happening then projecting what may or may not happen in the future. As I said above, I still think the finances will show up.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
We are still in the midst of a recessionary economy
I know I thought long and hard about how much I wanted to spend on Dodger tickets this year and if it would be more or less than last year. Wouldn’t investors be cautious about getting into a product that is so solely dependent on discretionary income and so easily reduced or cut out of people’s spending? I’m not so confident that there is enough money out there to make it happen in time for Frank McCourt post-divorce.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
All is know is historical stuff
and when the economy was in boom mode, and the Dodgers were for sale no one was interested and that is how the McCourts wiggled their way in to Dodger ownership. To think that in the middle of this economy when billions have been lost by the billionaires that someone is ready to bail out Frank from this mess seems a bit optimistic by Mr. White. Until that White Knight shows up, he doesn’t exist for me.
I am trying to win the lottery so I can come in as one of his investors. Just give me a little more time.
And before that Fox bought the Dodgers
as a means to other ends. That kind of buyer might still be out there, but holy hell they would probably suck for us as fans. Fuck Chase Carey.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Not just the future teams
but the future fans. Games are going to become unbelievably expensive at this pace.
Funny enough
I used to be a big McCourt fan before the divorce happened and his true finances came out. I generally don’t bitch about us not spending money, but I am concerned if the trends I have seen with deffered contracts and trading prospects and not spending money in the draft continue, this team will implode., possibly as soon as next year.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
To me, the drop in payroll isn’t nearly as alarming as the lack of funds for scouting, signing, and developing players. The contract deferments are also going to be really problematic a few years down the road. The Dodgers could be a good to very good team with a payroll of right around $100 million. Unfortunately, four or five years down the road, 15-20% of that will be eaten up paying players no longer on the team.
McCourt gets credit on some level for the two NLCS
What he gets a doesn’t get a in how he doesn’t do his part in supporting that with the way he budgets his teams. Its an ongoing process, and I don’t see the McCourts supporting the team as he needs to be.
Rockies 4, Cards 1, bottom of 6th – Ublado vs. Carpenter
Giants 6, Brewers 3, bottom of 6th – Braun up with bases loaded, two outs.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Zimmerman would have come through
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
bench him
and start rumors about him being traded for Scott Posednik
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Poor Angus T. Jones
left to stand out on the basepaths.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Zito went 4 2/3
and the Giants used 3 reliever to go the next 1 1/3. Then Bumgarner PHed for that last of those guys.
Braun was up as a PH and didn’t remain in the game. Edmonds PHed earlier, walked and a SP PRed for him.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
We have
quite a few infielders already
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I was thinking
more in terms of LH PH, who could jack one. Though my statement was mostly in jest as I’m sure he’d only want to go to a place where he’d get adeaquate enough playing time to reach his goal of 500 HR.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If Carlos is ready to play
wouldn’t Tampa or Chicago be the place for him? not some NL team who can only offer him what Thome got last year.
yeah, I’m sure. I’ve also heard the Angels
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I played the TBLA grumpy cuss earlier in the week
and Michael has played his role very well today.
Maybe David can give it a shot tomorrow?
Eric got in a few weeks earlier with the Ban heard ’round the world.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
None of you guys did, really. Sorry. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Hahahaha. Thanks. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Was I the first one to give poor lvdown the needle?
Maybe.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It is staying on today
because it’s looking like I might miss tonight’s Dodger game because I’m finishing up stuff from work later than I expected.
That was the plan
tonight is the Dodger game. It is looking more and more though like I won’t be able to leave here in time.
That sucks
on the plus side that means we will score six runs by the 3rd inning and Kemp will hit one out of Dodger Stadium that your family can tell you about.
A co-worker called me the world's youngest curmudgeon eight years ago!
I get that out of my system at work, apparently.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
He had only met me within the year
I have my moments, but I bet you have me beat.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Another co-worker termed me "bitter"
when I was around 32 or so. That’s getting closer.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I do what I can.
Oh well, back to basics.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
The old WWII movie with
Burgess Meredith? Love that one!
Did you like TS3?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Mmm-kay... ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
The most amazing and heartwrenching thing about that movie is that most of the soldiers were actually combat veterans of Italy, loaned by the army while training for Pacific duty in CA. After the film, they were shipped to the Pacific, where most of them died on Okinawa, just like Ernie Pyle.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 8, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yah it really is very moving, esp when you do know that backstory
Very underrated
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I was raised by the generation that fought that war, and the movies they pointed to were “G. I. Joe” and “Battleground.” William Wellman was pretty awesome.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 8, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Is anyone with a kid going to the Ethier Action Figure night game?
I’d be willing to buy it from someone, as long as it’s not ridiculously priced.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I do kind of want one
but their so damned hideous.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Giants end up winning 9-3, Rockies 4-2
Five relievers pitched, including Wilson in the last inning with that 9-3 lead. Milwaukee had 12 hits (all but one singles though) and 8 BBs, but sucked anyway.
Ubaldo: 8 IP, 3 H. Street got the cheap 3-run lead save, despite allowing two doubles for a run.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
so both our rivals
sweep NL Central teams…..gah
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The NL Central isn't NL West teams :P
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
But... but... Bob Nightengale tweeted this
#mlb #cubs Pardon the Cubs if they petition for realignment. They are about to go 9-2 vs. NL West this year, and 28-45 vs. everyone else.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Time to throw that back in his face with a Dodgers series win
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
so is he saying
the Cubs are gonna sweep?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
That was after their last game
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
the tweet I mean
so I don’t think he’s predicting this series; rather just that they’ve dominated the NL West.
So far!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I believe that is the only time
I wrote the series preview.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
This Just In
I hate Pasadena Parking and their idiotic way of running the place.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 8, 2010 3:11 PM PDT reply actions
Hey, hey, LBJ,
are ya really gonna decide today?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 8, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
i know
everyone know’s he’s going to Golden State
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The Chicago Cubs just pulled a sign and trade for LeBron James
Carlos Zambrano and 11 gatorade dispensers for LeBron James and Wally Szerbiak.
I think if this Lebron nonsense has taught us anything
is how easy it is to dick around with the sports media
Its easy
because they want to be dicked around. They are all playing the game right along with them. Did you know that it was ESPNs idea, not his, to have a one hour special?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Not unexpected
Dylan Hernandez tweet:
Belisario’s situation appears to have nothing to do with the DUI case he resolved earlier this year.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
the more I read about it
the more I think it might be a kidnapping. If that’s the case my prayers are with him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Labron is signing with the team
that hired Vladimir Shpunt.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
BREAKING NEWS! Apple is releasing a special edition Lebron James iPhone. Problem is it only vibrates b/c it dont have a RING
by Tripon on Jul 8, 2010 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
typical apple
In 2 years they’ll release a version with Ring, and tell us about how they have revolutionized everything all over again.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
does anyone have a rubber band?
because OH SNAP!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Tony Jackson
live chat right now.
Because I want to beat this into the ground.
David Young (True Blue LA)
Has anyone reminded Joe Torre that when he was hitting like GA is, he was a player/manager that release[d] himself?
Tony Jackson
(6:25 PM)
Ha!!! No but I might bring that up to him today, now that you have pointed it out.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Link
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/losangeles/chat/_/id/33276
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Well done Dave! Just saw that and chuckled.
I was gonna ask him about Oswalt but someone beat me to it. And his answer adds nothing insightful anyway.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
wtf kind of stupid ass stupididty is this?
Bob (Merced)
Hi Tony, when you look into the players eyes these days what do you see? Is this a ballclub that senses Joe is going to move on?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Tony when you shake a players hand
What do you feel? Is this a player who enjoys the Xbox360 or a PS3? Seems as relevant
someone was
they were pretending to be Matt Kemp and asked “Why do you hate me?”
Tony responded,
“I don’t hate you Matty. I could never hate you.”
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
"Tony, has anyone moved trash cans this season?"
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
he doesn’t have the power of a blogger to tell them to go fuck themselves
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're right
he basically asked him two cliches. I am pretty sick of people saying “I can see the fear in his eyes!!!” when talking about a struggling player. I think I heard it most recently attributed to Broxton.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 8, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Jackson basically doesn't know bubkas about Jerry Sands, apparently.
What does where he was drafted have to do with anything? And how does he bring Mitch Jones into this?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
"Keep in mind he was drafted in the 25th round!"
Sheesh. Two words: Mike. Piazza.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Because there was probably a reason he went that low. Sure Pujols and Piazza panned out but they’re very much the exception.
Obviously that he’s raking today means a lot more than where he was drafted three years ago though.
lol yeah sure...
A lot of things happen in 4 years. Your in that age group, you would know. I wouldn’t hold it against him the type of prospect he was coming out of HS.
Wasn’t Steven Strasburg undrafted out of high school?
(My theory: NFL/NBA draftees are expected to be ready to play when they come out. The draft position is an indicator of their readiness. Baseball operates different.)
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
Steven Strasburg
was a fatty fat fat fatty who was to fat to pitch without breaking his knees.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
badass
Strasburg’s collegiate debut was a memorable one. Coming on in relief against USC, he walked the bases loaded on 12 pitches.
Then he struck out the next three on nine pitches.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/04/27/stephen-strasburg-leaves-little-doubt/
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Marcel (Alhambra)
Hi Tony. Jerry Sands is the clear Minor League Player of the Year for the Dodgers. Since he’s destroying AA competition, could he be a factor in the ML OF next year?
Tony Jackson
(6:27 PM)
It’s possible, but the Dodgers historically don’t bring guys straight up from Double-A and give them everyday jobs. Also keep in mind that can be deceiving (see Mitch Jones, John Lindsey), that Sands was a 25th-round pick out of college, and that he struggled up until this year.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
what's deceiving
is using Jones and Lindsey as examples of something here, and lying about his struggled – as we all know, Sands raked for more than half of last year.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
He's the next Billy Ashley!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Hey, when Billy Ashley was Sands age he was hitting dingers in the bigs, and we know how Ashley turned out.
He was, but they are very different players too. I was referring to KLaw's using a
unnamed scout’s comment on Sands reminding him of Ashley which I think absurd. Oh yes of course Sands could be a bust in the ML, could never make it for whatever reason. I’m just questioning the analogies here.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I was hoping that was the case, just wanted to make sure ;-)
As I told KLaw, Ashley also infamously was Hands of Stone in the OF.
i’m quite sure Law and Jackson have both never seen him play, which is fine, but wish they’d admit that…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
it appears as if
somebody snuck in this new TBLA post in under our noses.
by Xeifrank on Jul 8, 2010 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
heh heh
A guy on MLBTR (Astro Fan) says they’ll take Sands, E. Martin, and Withrow for Oswalt, with Astros picking up whole tab. he then adds, “in my dreams”
I was thinking that. It doesn’t sound too outlandish. None of those prospects are “can’t miss” and that’s a lot of money they would plunk in.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Pass, but not without thinking about it
(And I’ll add I wouldn’t be adverse to trading Martin or Withrow for Oswalt, but not both plus Sands… Glad the latter’s stock’s risen so much he’s now thrown about in dreamy trade scenarios tho ;-) )
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Who? :-/
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
god
you know, the guy in the sky who is watching us all to make sure we behave?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
ESPN and especially Chris Broussard
are going to look like complete geeks if LeBron doesn’t go to Miami.
They’re basically covering it as if it’s a foregone conclusion he will go to Miami. Which could end up being true but if not they are going to look completely awful.
I’m wondering if LeBron would fuck with people’s emotions and say one team then the real one right after?
Geraldo's vault?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I'm hoping
He announces his retirement
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
by mleadman on Jul 8, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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…………………………………
From...
?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
It took longer than I’d like to admit to figure out why you had posted a picture of a sand dune.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
We secretly have a Freemen death commando
playing for the lookouts?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Jerkface
Corey Smith with 9 home runs though!
Too bad he’s 28 and in AA.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Tonight, LeBron James will have a one-hour special on ESPN to announce what team he will play for next year. James’ representatives requested they be allowed to sell Ad Space. The first commercial was sold to Brett Favre to publicize his own one-hour special in August on whether he’ll play next year.
Dylan Hernandez
Manny will play for Class-A Inland Empire on Saturday.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Is it weird when someone like Manny rehabs with a single A team? I mean, he’s way better right?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Convenience of location
Doesn’t matter much – he just needs to see some live pitching at real speeds.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Didn’t someone here just buy tickets for Saturday? Score!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 8, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
did not do it yet
I am not sure if I am driving down tomorrow or Sat.
but for manny and E Martin, I should jump on that
by MammothDodger on Jul 8, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
just did it
Son can not go, so just me and my daughter, got section 101 row b!!!
woo hoo Manny and E Martin.
by MammothDodger on Jul 8, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way
because you guys have been talking about The Habit for the past few days, I had it for lunch. It was delightful but I am sad for my eating habits. I had been doing so well.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Its a hamburger
You’ll live. You have to enjoy these things before you ship out. In fact you should be stuffing Mexican food in your face every chance you get.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
It’s not that hamburger so much as it was the onion rings, the shake, and the cheeseburger. :(
Mmm. I want a quesadilla. Does that count?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I take responsibility for the milk shake and onion rings. I am sorry.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 8, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
But this is coming from a guy that had some stomach bug two days ago and still chose to eat Mexican food at El Burrito Jr. We flew into LAX at rush hour. Instead of hitting the 110, we just got the Mexican food and hit the beach. It was worth the pain I endured yesterday.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 8, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
that is how i see it
day game then 66ers is a nice daily double
by MammothDodger on Jul 8, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Game Preview is up
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/7/8/1548439/opener-cubs-vs-dodgers
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Aaron Miller
How would you grade Aaron Miller’s progression as a SP, and what is his ETA to the majors?
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 7, 2010 10:33 AM PDT reply actions
If you would allow me to add on to this very quickly
What grade would you give him and do you think he would possibly make the top 100 list. Thanks.
“You’re the only woman to ever love me.” “I never loved you.” “I meant physically!”
by Ivdown on Jul 7, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
miller
I’m a big Aaron Miller fan…I love the two-way college guys who take up pitching full time as a pro. Another guy who could be a number two eventually. Strong Grade B, maybe B+ prospect, ETA sometime in 2011.
by John Sickels on Jul 8, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
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