Toy Story - Dodger Style
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 9, 2010 5:00 AM PDT
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I will confess to loving the Toy Story Trilogy, they may simply be the best trilogy ever made. They combine adventure, pain, introspection, love, loss, and family into one great package. I've been disappointed with just about every third movie in a trilogy, and I was apprehensive about seeing Toy Story 3. It had been years since Toy Story 2, and sometimes life changes you in ways you are not even aware of. With each passing year my sense of humor burns less and less, while my disappointment with the human condition grows more and more. Now being over 50 I wondered that even if the movie was good, had I changed so much I'd be unable to enjoy it? Pixar has a certain magic for me, would it still hold sway over me?
Luckily the Pixar magic was in full swing, starting with the short Day and Night, and since this is not a film review, I'll just say Pixar is still at the top of their game.
My wife's dog Lucky passed away two weeks ago. He had been my mother-in-laws dog, but when she died of cancer seven years ago we took Lucky and her cat Jerry into our house. It was my wife's last connection with her mother as she was an only sibling. Jerry had passed on several years ago and Lucky was all she had left. He had a brain tumor and various other ailments and at the end he could barely walk. We are all old enough that most of us have gone through the slow pain of watching your pets life peter out. When we put Lucky to sleep I knew my wife was going to have a tough summer.
At the beginning of the movie you see the young dog playing with the boy, then time leaps forward and the dog is fat, old, and near the end of his time. It is not meant to be poignant as they play it for a laugh, but for the two of us it was an all too recent memory. Tears flowed. Adventure followed, and Pixar gave me what I considered the perfect ending. Tears flowed again. For many movies they have everything going for them but the ending. Toy Story Three ended on the perfect pitch. The world is not this perfect, but when you have the world we have, being able to escape the hypocrisy of our times, for even a few hours is a welcome relief.
As the Toy Story gang goes through their wondrous adventure you can't help but wonder about the toys you left behind. The Toy Story series started long after I was an adult and had no more toys but I've wondered for those who started watching the films when they were six - ten years old did the movies leave an imprint? Did you look at your toys differently before you saw the movie? Did adults climb into the attic to see if the old toys were still boxed away?
Even in this video age, toys still abound in every house. Each child still has a favorite they carry around, imagination still reigns supreme, as they scoff at the high tech toys that people in white coats create not understanding the magic of the imagination.
I didn't play with toys but with dolls. GI Joe's to be exact and those GI Joe's allowed me to enter a world of imagination where I played the sporting news baseball box scores over and over. In the end I had one GI Joe, the full size guy, who could bend his legs/arms, and fully rotate his arms. I'm sure I had more then one, but all I remember is the one that was left. One Christmas I got a Cowboy and Indian (Cherokee) to augment my collection . These characters were both about two - four inches taller then my GI Joe, They didn't have the same flexibility of the GI Joe but I made do. The Cherokee had some color to him so when I needed a black ballplayer I used my Cherokee. Living in Germany with no English TV to entertain me, between second - fourth grade I spent countless hours reproducing baseball games with my trio of playmates. If you ever wonder why I know the Dodger lineups inside and out from 66 - 68 it is because I was that lineup for hours. During the winter months I would create whole new baseball universes complete with Phil Gurnee being the best hitter on the team. I was a solo act and did not like anyone trying to enter this world. None of my dolls had names, they were Sudakis, Crawford, Haller, Willie Davis, John Purdin, Don Drysdale, Joe Moeller. John Purdin would win 20 games not flame out, Willie Crawford became the star he was expected to be when he was drafted out of Crenshaw High, Bill Sudakis became a home run machine.
Whole seasons were played one game at a time. The rubber bands wore out on the arms/legs, time went on but I kept playing until one day you simply realize that it is time to stop. I don't know when that time was but one day I was playing with my GI Joes, and the next moment I was trying to impress Barbary Overbay and the world had changed, and I was never going back. Like every child before us, someday we have to put the toys away.
I miss that chapter, everything was still possible then, I still could have been a baseball player, a star, a hero. The Dodgers always won the championship, life was never disappointing, no one died ( that I didn't want to die), happy endings ruled the day.
While I miss the empty canvass of a ten year old, I would never trade it for the real life I've ended up living. Imagination is cool, real life however is where the home runs are really hit. Phil Gurnee never became the player he dreamed of being as he played with his GI Joe's, but Kirk Gibson did something so improbable it never even made it into my imagination.
Not including video games, what was your favorite toys growing up? Do you remember what you happened to them?
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Classic green army men.
I used to stage battles between two sides of army figures, usually a la cowboys and indians (a lot versus a few). My battles would usually consist of one final dramatic moment where the last standing man on one side was blown across the room and fell to his death in slow mo.
My sister and I had most of the Star Wars toys that were released we pretty much could have reconstructed most of the original movies 4-6. And, then my Mom sold all of them at a yard sale. Very sad day.
too close to home
My bro and I had tons upon tons of ninja turtle and ghostbuster action figures. I think my mom sold them for like 10 bucks.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I don't consider them toys
but every comic book I collected while in Germany from 65-68 disappeared when we moved from Germany to DC. I think that was the last time I let my mom pack my stuff when we moved. Not that they would have been worth anything because we read the crap out of them, and probably tore off the back covers ordering sea monkey’s.
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I'm a bit embarrased to say
That I have no idea what my favorite toy was. Pretty strange, but I have no memory of toys at all. I guess I started playing Nintendo at a young enough age (but per the instructions videogames don’t count) but I really have no clue as to what toys I liked.
I had a He-Man. That was pretty awesome. Took me a while to remember that, and its probably long gone via garage sale by now.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
great article Phil
My brother and I usually shared toys, being only 16 months apart. So I, as the younger brother, was usually the bad guy in whatever game we played. I did have my own Lion-O action figure, and sometimes me and my bro would pretend the two Lion-O’s we had we brothers who fought agains Mumm-ra. I still have the Mumm-ra and the Lion-O on top of my dresser.
I still have my GI Joe's.
And no, they weren’t dolls.
Not to hijack the thread, but the usually reliable Ed Price says that Lee-to-the-Yankees is about a done deal. Speculation in NYC that the Yanks will the swap Vasquez to the Phillies for Werth. I bet Torre misses this sort of thing.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 9, 2010 7:49 AM PDT reply actions
But model airplanes were my favorites.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 9, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
The Cliff Lee deal will be interesting if it happens. I’m not sure I understand why the Yankees would go after Lee, except to keep him from going to a competitor.
(And as for toys, I’m in the same boat as Michael White. I can remember some toys, but I can’t remember being particularly attached to any of them.)
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
You don't understand why they would go after him?
Instead of using Burnett in the playoffs they have CC, Lee, and Hughes. Plus Hughes is starting to hit uncharted territory. This is a huge deal for the Yankee’s and they can afford it because instead of waiting for Montero they simply buy a DH.
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It’s the Yankees. They’ll probably keep Montero and send them Brett Gardner instead. Montero’s defense work for 6org.
I'm not sure about the buzz over Montero in the first place
Looks like he could easily do what Travis Snider did in the Major Leagues. He’s not a catcher so what is real value?
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Montero is better than Snider, he strikes out about half as much and has mostly played in more advanced leagues. He can be an impact bat no matter where he plays, but obviously would be much better as a catcher.
Snider was 20 years old in the major leagues Reg
And was playing in AAA at 20 and tearing up the league. Montero is 20 in AAA and not outhitting Chin Lung Hu
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His age 20 season was mainly in AA, he played in AAA in August and the bigs in September. Montero has played in AAA all year.
And I know you know there’s a huge difference between what Montero is doing in the IL as a 20 year old versus what a 26 year old is doing in the PCL
Still wouldn't you expect a 20 year stud in the making
to have more then a .400 Slug% in AAA. I mean we are not talking a top 50 prospect here but the guy many consider the best hitting prospect in the minors, and I don’t see it. I guess my point is that Montero as a DH (and he is a DH) seems like more hype then substance.
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The hype was based on a ridiculously good year as a 19 year old in AA, so there’s a reason for it.
Montero struggled early (with a .240 BABIP) but has been turning it on since June. He’ll probably need more time in the minors than we thought, but he’s still a great prospect.
I remember some guy name JtD who had a
ridiculously good year as a 19 year in AA, granted the K rate was there but one was a SS the other a catcher. One became a DH and failed miserably, just saying Montero is not the guy I’m trading Cliff Lee for if I’m the Mariners. I’d rather take my chance on Smoak.
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Projection-Wise, Montero Looks Fine...
…but he is having the kind of year that Lambo had last year: barely hitting enough to survive at his level. Montero is certainly not somebody who is going to help the Mariners this year, and probably wouldn’t help them next year either. So much for what we were hearing about the Mariners demanding “MLB-ready talent.”
So why would the Mariners be giving up Lee for him? Other teams may have better prospects than Montero but they’re not offering them up?
because montereo projects as a plus hitter
that has a bat that will play anywhere. Too much are making of his current struggles at AAA. I still believe in that bat. But he’s not going to stay at catcher.
Was he a top 10 prospect coming into the year?
I can’t imagine the Mariners could do better than that for a half year rental for Lee.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Do “half-year rentals” ever negotiate longer contracts with the teams trading for them, or only mediocre ones? Presumably, it’s always better for top talents like Lee to wait for the next off season and see who offers most in open bidding? (So just in case Frank does all right in the divorce, we might still have a chance? Hah.)
It doesn’t seem like it happens much in mid-season deals. In the offseason it works better (like Halladay) because you aren’t rushing up against a deadline. The Mariners want to move Lee as soon as possible.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Kershaw
is about to eclipse Don Drysdale as the greatest 22 year old in the history of the Dodgers since integration using ERA+ as the metric. The list below are pitchers age 22 and younger who have compiled at least 300 innings in the major leagues with an ERA+ > 120. At least seven of those pitchers would have arm injuries that would derail the promising beginnings.
Rk Player ERA+ IP From To Age GS CG SHO W L W-L% BB SO ERA OPS
1 Mark Fidrych 156 331.1 1976 1977 21-22 40 31 5 25 13 .658 65 139 2.47 .592
2 Mark Prior 154 328.0 2002 2003 21-22 49 4 1 24 12 .667 88 392 2.74 .651
3 Dwight Gooden 146 924.1 1984 1987 19-22 124 42 16 73 26 .737 275 892 2.46 .573
4 Ralph Branca 135 495.2 1947 1948 21-22 64 26 5 35 21 .625 178 270 3.03
5 Bert Blyleven 132 1054.2 1970 1973 19-22 141 58 18 63 58 .521 242 845 2.76 .636
6 Vida Blue 131 543.2 1969 1972 19-22 72 31 14 33 19 .635 166 471 2.48 .572
7 Britt Burns 130 407.1 1978 1981 19-22 57 16 2 25 21 .543 116 246 2.98 .661
8 Dave Rozema 130 525.0 1977 1979 20-22 72 31 4 28 23 .549 105 182 3.19 .695
9 Gary Nolan 130 736.0 1967 1970 19-22 106 18 10 49 27 .645 247 581 2.92 .640
10 Tom Hall 129 325.2 1968 1970 20-22 33 6 2 21 14 .600 128 294 2.87 .613
11 Frank Tanana 125 840.2 1973 1976 19-22 106 53 12 51 40 .560 231 732 2.73 .623
12 Don Drysdale 125 802.1 1956 1959 19-22 106 32 9 51 40 .560 257 576 3.33 .685
13 Clayton Kershaw 123 391.0 2008 2010 20-22 69 0 0 22 17 .564 193 413 3.25 .642
14 Bill Stafford 122 468.1 1960 1962 20-22 66 17 6 31 19 .620 154 246 3.07 .636
15 Bret Saberhagen 122 549.0 1984 1986 20-22 75 16 4 37 29 .561 103 343 3.41 .655
16 Ismael Valdez 121 451.0 1994 1996 20-22 61 6 2 31 19 .620 115 351 3.19 .644
17 Scott Kazmir 120 364.0 2004 2006 20-22 63 1 1 22 20 .524 173 378 3.73 .719
18 Matt Cain 120 437.0 2005 2007 20-22 70 3 1 22 29 .431 185 372 3.73 .660
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Generated 7/9/2010.
I’ve been comparing Kershaw to Tanana for several years now, and right now they are neck and neck in ERA+.
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Dwight Gooden had won 73 games by age 22. Youza
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Just LHP
Rk Player ERA+ IP From To Age CG SHO W L SO
1 Vida Blue 131 543.2 1969 1972 19-22 31 14 33 19 471
2 Britt Burns 130 407.1 1978 1981 19-22 16 2 25 21 246
3 Frank Tanana 125 840.2 1973 1976 19-22 53 12 51 40 732
4 Clayton Kershaw 123 391.0 2008 2010 20-22 0 0 22 17 413
5 Scott Kazmir 120 364.0 2004 2006 20-22 1 1 22 20 378
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Generated 7/9/2010.
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stay away from drugs kids
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Jul 9, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
The scariest thing about Tanana
was not the abuse at the major league level, but the abuse at the minor league level. He threw 349 innings by the age of 19 in the minor leagues and followed that up with another 26 major league innings. What was amazing was that his arm even lasted until he was 24.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=tanana001fra
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Yup
Frank has had one of the most interesting careers in baseball. Man he was awesome to watch from age 20-23. I knew nothing of pitch counts at the time and I’m sure pitching with Nolan Ryan drove his competitive desire to never come out.
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Unreal how Fidrych was used
That was pure abuse. Which is really sad, because he was awesome. I was very bummed at his passing a few years ago.
Yup
he was awesome to watch and seemed like a great guy after he was forced to retire.
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I don’t know if I would call it a toy but my “CHiPs” 3 wheeler went everywhere with me. My Hot wheel collection was my favorite, still have the General Lee on the shelf next to my bed today.
I used to love Hot Wheels. My aunt told me a story that when I was 2 I would arrange my blocks and other toys to make letters (Nerd alert!) instead of playing with them like regular toys. I guess my Mom and here were frustrated and brought out the Hot Wheels and said something like “here are some real toys to play with.” Well, I arranged the cars to spell out words, too, and my mom and aunt just laughed and were resigned to the fact they had a kid nerd on their hands.
Very nice read, Phil
The first things that came to mind when I thought about old toys were both Legos and Construx. I used to like making stuff with those things. I guess if I go way back, Lincoln Logs were the bomb, too.
The most interesting aspect of the Lee trade
if it goes down, is that Lee is schedule to pitch tonight in Seattle. The only question is which team will he pitch for?
Although, just how quickly can a trade go through?
awesome article
The beginning with the dog was touching to me as my family had just gone through a similar experience. Army men. definitely the green and sometimes gray army men.
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
I remember in Boston
we’d burn leaves in the fall on the front lawn, and part of the exercise was putting our poor green plastic army men into those fires. When I watch Toy Story I always think of that.
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did anyone see
that whole deal with Jayson Werth and Ichiro having the two ends the “running into a fan in the stands trying to get a fly ball” spectrum?
My God, Phil
That was an amazing essay. Well written and moving!
I had a lot of stuffed animals growing up as a kid, and I really wanted to be a vet (my ideas regarding a future career in science were hit hard in middle school when I had a teacher who hated me, and were killed off in high school when I realized I’d actually have to use math). They got handed down from me to my sister to my brother, and I have no idea what happened to them after that.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
OT, Buzz Bissinger filets LeBron
I’m guessing he won’t get to co-write another book with him:
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/07/lebrons-decision-to-avoid-the-path-of-greatness.html
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 9, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions
Even Alan Sepinwall
with a review of the broadcast!
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Its disgusting
I’ll concede James deserves some rocks coming his way for accepting ESPNs offer to do the special, but not by the sports media. They built this whole thing up, created all the hype, and now that they have built him up they want to be the ones to take him down.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
It is
Which is why I don’t watch ESPN anymore.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
and it seriously makes me laugh
that so many sportswriters say, “We don’t know why Manny all of a sudden stopped talking to the media.”
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
But we will all laugh
when the three man team in Miami doesn’t win a championship.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
They have easily made themselves the team that America will root against
not sure if that is what LBJ had in mind. He went from a guy everyone was pulling for to win a Championship for poor old Cleveland to the man in the black hat. For once Kobe will be wearing the white hat as the undermanned Lakers take on the super three. Makes for a great story but I think LBJ really missed the boat on this one.
Not just because I’m a Clipper fan but if he had chosen the Clippers everyone would have respected him and rooted for him to take the worse franchise in sports history and lead them into a new world.
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Weird. For the first time I noticed his initials match this guys
Maybe he’ll be about as popular at the end… Not trying to be political, just think it amusing. ;-)
Anyway, yah, agreed. No one outside of Miami is rooting for him at all anymore.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
If you were old enough to have been around back then, it would not have taken you more than a second. He was known as LBJ the same way that FDR and JFK were known by their initials. Since I don’t follow basketball, just about every time LBJ has come up here, I’ve had to stop myself thinking “But the Vietnam war is long over. What’s all this about?”
I made a perfectly good LBJ joke yesterday.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 9, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup
I only knew Lyndon Johnson by LBJ. Then you also had Lady Bird Johnson who was his wife for those who were born after 1980.
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I know LBJ the President's initials (even though I wasn't around back then)
It’s just that I hadn’t thought of LeBron James or King James by the same initials for some reason… Anyway, carry on…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Really, he's LJ, when you think about it.
I would use just an “L” for LeBron – there’s no space between the “Le” and “Bron,” so it’s really all one word.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jul 9, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
what's a ZJ?
Honey, if you have to ask, you can’t afford it.
and I couldn’t resist, heh heh
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice stuff Phil. I loved it too
And not ashamed to admit to getting teary eyed a few times myself. Curse you Pixar, I thought near the end (spoiler alert)
when Andy gives Woody to the little girl, who will appreciate him more. I think there’s something about stuff, our childhood stuff, that can make us both nostalgic and feel poignant when you see it get new “life.” The film captures the spirit of play and of imagination and innocence, and we feel bittersweet thinking about that innocence lost.
I too was touched by the dog, anyone who’s had a pet, dog or cat, watched them get older, and lost them, can’t help but feel that way.
Fortunately the movie is also hilarious. :-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Speaking of Jayson Werth
Are the Phillies just trying to shop him because he’s most likely going to leave after this season?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Yes
And because they’re desperate for pitching.
And because they’re kind of stupid.
If they keep him, they not only get his help, but they can lose him in the off season to the tune of Type A draft pick compensation.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Fine line for a team in borderline contention
with a type A FA. Do you move him for something to help you still contend while hoping to replace him internally ( Dominic Brown)? Do you keep him hoping you climb back into contention? Do you trade him not for help in contending but for future help?
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Yah it is a fine line and as I said they're desperate for pitching help
I still think it would be better to keep him, get the picks and have Brown next year. (If I were a Phillie fan I’d rather see Raul Ibanez replaced than Werth. But Werth is obviously far more valuable as trade chip.)
Anyway, tough decisions ahead for them.
Which is fine by me.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
ack
I’ll be back to read the actual post tomorrow once I finally go see TS3.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
There are no spoilers
and you don’t need to have seen the movie to enjoy Phil’s essay.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Underdog had a spoiler in the comments
and I did say it had a perfect ending so you kind of know it ends well, which didn’t look so promising as they were headed for the firepit. I remember thinking, I’d have heard an outcry the world over if Disney had just let it end that way. I bet someone wanted it to and even a part of me was thinking, “well, that is how it would end in the real world”.
i’ve always that the dancing penguin movie would have had a bigger impact if they ended it with him going crazy in the aquarium.
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Legos, Playdo
I loved playdo as a kid, and Legos. How has no one said Legos?
OT: Why the hell is LegoLand 60 bucks? I just wanted to go see the cool lego constructions, but for 60 bucks bleh.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Really? Per Person?
that is crazy land.
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nice write up.
i saw the first toy story years ago when i was in high school still in 1995. my friend and i got stoned and went to watch it. he is now a vegan chef in NYC. i guess my favorite first toy i can remember was a popple or maybe this glowworm thing i liked. after that, ninja turtles.
heck yeh
ninja turtles
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
me and my brother were the first in line for that first ninja turtles movie.
we cheered when it started. it did not disappoint.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 9, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
ha
i remember going to see that with my dad, older bro, and older half-bro. Awesome flick.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
OT: Now this pisses me off.
The Los Angeles Dodgers paid one of their highest-ranking executives more than $400,000 from the team’s charity in 2007, which accounted for one-quarter of the foundation’s nearly $1.6 million budget that year — compensation more in line with overseeing a $100 million charity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/sports/baseball/09dodgers.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ref=sports
Credit goes to 6-4-2 and Rob.
Disgusting
Man I have a lot of anger the last 24 hours, but this one might be the worst of all. Taking that much money from a charity? That man should be ashamed of himself.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Ugh.
Marcus S. Owens, a tax lawyer at Caplin & Drysdale in Washington and the director of the Internal Revenue Service division that oversaw nonprofit organizations from 1990 to 2000, said a charity as small as the Dodgers Dream Foundation did not need a 40-hour-a-week chief executive.
"There’s nothing in the filing that makes you think that he was actually working 40 hours a week for the foundation," Owens said. "Their return raises a lot of red flags. If this was brought to the I.R.S.’s attention, it would normally conduct an audit and have the organization substantiate what the fellow does and how he spent his time."
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
That reads like a scene out of the Sopranos.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
This would have been a nice addition to yesterdays thread
When Eric first looked into giving money to the Foundation he was told the % that was actually used for the charity and not overhead. Based on this information I’d say he was lied to. I’ll have to revisit those conversations but I’d never have contributed to the foundation if I’d known they were spending this much on overhead for such a small charity. I’d have given the money directly to the City of Hope.
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I’d just like to point out that while I have defended the McCourt baseball moves, I will certainly not defend stuff like this.
Not sure if that needed to be said or not, but I wanted to throw it out there.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually I have the wrong charity in mind
this is the Dream Charity which is what builds the kids fields, not the ThinkCure Foundation. Sorry for any confusion I caused with my previous comment.
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Since we at TBLA
contributed to the ThinkCure foundation, not the Dream Charity.
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The whole thing is interesting
The Dream Foundation has a budget of 1.6 Million.
This is what Josh Rawitch had to say about the excess salary
Sunkin declined to comment. Josh Rawitch, the Dodgers’ vice president for communications, said in a statement that Sunkin’s 2007 pay reflected three years of efforts to expand the foundation’s mission and community reach. He said Sunkin’s pay in 2007 included a bonus for achieving objectives Frank McCourt had set.
"Thanks to Howard, the building blocks were put in place for long-term success," Rawitch said. "Howard’s compensation was and is commensurate with his portfolio of responsibilities."
The real sticking point appears to be this:
At the same time Sunkin was paid by the foundation, he performed other responsibilities for the team, including acting as a key adviser to the owner Frank McCourt and being the Dodgers’ chief negotiator with politicians and businesses. The Dodgers said they paid Sunkin an additional salary for his work outside the foundation but declined to say how much.
I’d recommend reading the complete article that Tripon has linked.
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How much of this is Jaime’s doing instead of Frank’s? He does not even seem that interested in the charities anyways. I would hate to see that he is taking a lot of shit for things that were under her watch especially since she is not even around anymore.
The article doesn’t smash Frank — in fact, it talks about them as a couple since this happened back in 2007 — but it does mention that the couple hasn’t paid income tax since 2004.
Yeah. That’s good.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Sunkin was the team’s lobbyist, especially when it came to getting the Dodgers into Camelback Ranch.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 9, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
And I expect that he was indeed being paid extra out of Foundation funds for his lobbyist services. No doubt he deserved the payments, but not from the charity’s funds. It’s quite right to make a stink about this. It’s just more of the McCourts’ (plural) “creative accounting”. People who donated money to the charity did not have this use in mind.
Yes
this could end up a big deal if the IRS decides to look into it. I wonder how Manny feels about basically paying Sunkin to be the Dodger Lobbyist instead of building dreamfields?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I just mean in general he takes shit. You really think Shpunt was his idea and not hers? things like that.
Considering the emails that were leaked about it were from him, I would say he was certainly enthusiastic about it.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Well, it is
which is why I had to read about it, and that’s why it was even more ridiculous.
My favorite part was when the press asked Jayson Werth about it.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Was that in 2007 or later? According to the NY Times article, quoting Josh Rawitch, the foundation hired an executive director in 2009 and pay her $85,000, in line with what the various people quoted say is about right ($90,000 was quoted by two of them).
I just want to say
three cheers for Josh Rawitch. His life can’t be easy, and he must look at the months to come and think that it’s not gonna be any easier.
I don’t know you, Josh, but if you read this, hang in there. This too shall pass.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
throw McCourt in jail!
Rabble rabble rablle!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
They state that the executive is “Howard Sunkin, the team’s senior vice president for public affairs”. He got 400k because of bonuses in 2007.
Just so you know, the current executive is making about 85-90k a year. According to the article. :D
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
85-90k a year to run that same charity?
That is ridiculous. What sorts of things do they have to do that justify that high of a salary?
Competition
CEOS in America are grossly overpaid, but if you want to get a competent CEO thats the cost of doing business.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
That part isn't ridiculous
it’s actually average for that position.
It’s the 400K thing that is nauseating.
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There are running a Company. Just because it doesn’t seek to make a profit, doesn’t make a charity simplistic. There are lots of moving parts dealing with money management and staff. That requires skilled people to run and $90K doesn’t sound outrageous at all.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
From the NY Times story
Sunkin’s compensation is unusual among professional baseball clubs. More than half of the official team charities do not pay salaries to the employees who run them. Of those that do, Sunkin’s 2007 pay was far more than what his counterparts at other teams earned.
Sandra Miniutti, a vice president of Charity Navigator, which rates nonprofit organizations, said Sunkin’s pay was "significantly high for a charity of that size."
Charities with budgets similar to the Dodgers Dream Foundation’s typically pay chief executives about $90,000 a year, she said. A $400,000 salary "is more on the level of a $100 million charity than a $1 million charity," Miniutti said.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 9, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Legos.
That would definitely be Legos. I loved especially the car sets, with the gears that would turn the front wheels.
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Toys
I can’t really think of a specific toy. I have a lot of memories of playing outside with pickup football and hockey games. And we had a back lot of a church where we played over the line with flattened tennis balls about 5 times a week. I have a lot of memories of pitching to my dad. Our front yard had a little mound on it, and the walk across the street was perfect. At the end of our days pitching and catching, my dad would trot out there with a mask and a cup on :)
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 9:30 AM PDT reply actions
not really news, but..
The Dodgers have discussed promoting right-hander Kenley Jansen from Double-A Chattanooga.
“We’ve talked about him — I really liked his personality in the spring,” said Dodgers manager Joe Torre . “I think at some point this year you’ll probably see him. I may be talking out of school there, but we’ve talked enough about him that I think by September, if not before.” Jansen, a former catcher, has a 1.32 ERA in 29 relief appearances between High-A Inland Empire and Double-A Chattanooga this season. The 22-year-old right-hander has averaged 14.9 K/9 over 41 innings.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 9, 2010 9:31 AM PDT reply actions
Sounds like now might be the time. Belisario is gone and Kuo can’t pitch on back to back days. Nobody else in the bullpen strikes guys out.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd do it
as you say, no one else can do the K thing. He can be our Yhency after we traded Mota in 2004.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
his arm fell off
it happens
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Awesome. I've been hoping for that for a month.
(PS Link dude, link.)
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Thanks
never sure if these things have a place here, so I’m always a bit apprehensive when I post them.
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Heyman reporting Lee will want CC money in the offseason
CC was 28 when he got paid.
Lee will be 32.
I thought CC’s deal was insane at the time. But its not my money. Nobody else was even close to the Yankee offer to Sabathia a few years ago, and if Lee gets that from the Yankees I wouldn’t be shocked.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Lee now looks like someone who can be good for years
They have Jeter they have to resign this winter. Might be a prudent move to sign Lee and let the old SS find a different pasture.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
They can’t be seriously considering signing a 32 year old to a six or seven year deal though, right?
Kevin Brown says
don’t knock it till you’ve tried it
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 9, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
The fucking Yankees falling off the face of the planet
would let me enjoy baseball so much more. Cliff Lee now. They are like the popular guy getting the hot girl, except they actually do get the hot girl in the end. over and over again.
This could be a case of getting the hot girl at the expense of all your friends
only to have the hot girl dump you in 2 months.
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Somebody outbids the Yankees?
Not bloody likely.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
salary cap anyone?
Honestly even if its something like 150 million I would take it. Anything to stop the yankees from having a payroll a hundred million more then most teams.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Fuck no. The cap doesn't make sense in baseball
You have players making the minimum, you would have teams sign veterans just to get over the minimum salary floor. You would see less trades in season with the NBA, you would have more Kawme Brown for Pau Gasol trades. No cap for baseball. You want to make it more equal, increase revenue sharing.
The NFL cap seems to work much better though, especially if parity is the name of the game.
I actually agree with you on no to the cap, but having a cap won’t necessarily turn it into the NBA.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
The NFL has non-guaranteed salaries where its possible to cut or trade somebody and save it against the cap.
Right. So are you saying that’s simply a non-starter for the MLBPA? Or would you be against a system like that as well?
It would be a non-starter, but since we’re discussing a complete hypothetical here….
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Who said anything about a minimum?
Make it more like the NFL, less like the NBA.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
With the guaranteed salaries baseball players enjoy? How can you do that? The NFL has a hard cap that forces teams to stay under it. To do the same in baseball would mean that teams like the Padres or Pirates would have to be forced to accept players from teams over the cap in order to balance everything out.
This is the problem for me…guaranteed contracts. I love that the NFL can cut you if you are stinking it up. If you get cut for injury, then you should get paid some good stuff…
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
It makes more sense
If you are really good you get a fat amount of guarenteed money, then you have to go out and earn the rest.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I hate that morer than anything else in Amrican Sports
I would really hate it in baseball. Without gaurunteed salaries, there is no reason to treat players like an investment. Signed contracts should work both ways. NFL players can’t just say “Hey, my team sucks so I’m voiding my contract.” Owners can do that to the players. Too much corporate power for my taste.
What?
How are you even assuming that?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
You would phase in the cap
Tell the Yankees they have x number of years to get below y amount of dollars then lower it z dollars a year until you are at your number. I’m not asking for a strict cap, just one that would prevent a team from spending 50 million more then every other team in baseball.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
The devil is in the details. Explain how you can prevent the Yanks from spending $50MM more without a “strict” cap. How would that work?
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
What I meant by strict cap
Was something like a 70 million dollar cap. There are only two teams with Salaries over 150 million, The yankess(206m) and the red sox(162m). Even if the salary cap was 150 million I would be happy.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
good question
I guess you would have to include minor league salaries, which might affect my 150 million dollar number, but I don’t know enough about how much money most teams have sunk into their entire minor league system to put a number on that.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
And if you don’t, what’s to prevent teams like the Red Sox and Yankees from taking the ‘savings’ they have from the cap and putting more resources in the draft?
What if teams start giving draftees tens of millions of dollars as a bonus that will cover them until their service time with the team runs out?
What I’m really asking is what makes you think teams won’t figure out how to exploit it in a system that demands flexibility like baseball has?
Its not that hard to just include minor league salaries
In the cap.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
That would just hurt the minor leaguers. Who do you think the MLBPA would try to protect?
And if it costs teams more money then you think its worth to run them, then you will see a lot of teams cutting minor league teams all together.
That would just hurt the minor leaguers. Who do you think the MLBPA would try to protect?
Again, it wouldn’t have to be a really low cap, just low enough to prevent someone from abusing the system.
And if it costs teams more money then you think its worth to run them, then you will see a lot of teams cutting minor league teams all together.
That would be cutting of their nose to spite their face. I can’t see any of them being that stupid.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Really? Things cost money. If it costs more money than it was before, teams cut back.
Your goal is to install a cap so two teams (red sox and Yankees) spend less then they have before. You want to include the minor league system, we seen teams cut back on the draft already despite it being a small part of the budget.
You’re trying to suggest a sledgehammer for the problem.
It’s a huge problem that doesn’t have a solution that ends up screwing the players. The best thing I can think of is a cap with a huge boost to the league minimum salary for major and minor leaguers and a heavy luxury tax on free agent signings.
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
What if teams start giving draftees tens of millions of dollars as a bonus that will cover them until their service time with the team runs out?
I don’t really see how this would benefit them.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
You still have to draft in your normal position
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
You’ll have agents like Scott Boras say that this guy signing bonus will be 20 million, and you better pay up.
WILL have?
Its already a problem. There is a reason both MLB and NFL want to move to a strict slotting system in the draft.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I'm all for increased revenue sharing
If you mandate that funds be spent directly on improving the team through really specific means.
My thought on that though, is why should people tell the Marlins what to do? The Cubs have spent like idiots and has gotten them nowhere. The Marlins have 2 trophies in their offices in 20 years of existence.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Baseball Florida Teams
combined spending less then Cubs, Three World Series appearances. I love that
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I don’t think that telling them how to spend their own money is the same as saying, “here is a really big check that the Yankees earned for you, no blow or hookers please.”
Ha. Well doesn’t that already happen? And wasn’t MLB ticked that FLA didn’t plan on re-investing it into payrolls?
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
True. But Florida was getting a little shameful in their lack of baseball investment. I would just prefer if teams that received revenue sharing money had to provide an accounting (preferably publicly) of what was done with those funds.
I think Florida has earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to spending on their team. Everyone thought were damned to hell after the purged everyone post first trophy, yet the regrouped and did it again.
They make bold moves. They were right on Dontrelle, wrong on Miggy, right on swapping Hanley for Beckett, etc.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
if indications are correct
they might start selling off some pieces soon.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Its always seemed
They do well in spite of their budget. They could certainly do better if they spent a little bit of cash.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I wouldn't mind it. I doubt it will ever happen though.
The Yankees obliterate the idea of free agent/deal making competition. I think it really does blow. Big time. It makes baseball less fun for me.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 9, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd prefer a relegation system
Where teams are originally aligned based off of payroll, then teams are moved up and down based on results. Something somewhat similar to this.
I posted a relegation idea that the Big Lead wrote once and everyone here hated it.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Sigh yeah... as Bugs Bunny (and Bogey) once told Lauren Bacall
“Whatever baby wants baby gets!”
Sigh
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heh you just perked me up reminding me of that cartoon.
“One bananna cream pie!”
“One banana cream pie coming up. Pick up pie”
“Roger”
“Your pie sir!” (hits Elmer with pie)
repeat three times, enjoy hilarity.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
You mean
Yep, one of my favorites.
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me too
I have bunch of Bugs cartoons on my iPod
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually that one's just an annoying loop
Try this one
“I said I want rabbit and I’ll bring ya 20 mins to bring it… or else!”
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At least the Yankees can’t get Mauer. So they can, as Eric so eloquently put it, “go fuck themselves.”
whats up with mauers power #s this year
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 9, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess at some point Pujols is going to want more money than STL has or can give him. That will be a sad day, indeed.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
not really
the Dodgers will then be owned by Scrooge McDuck and we’ll sign Pujols
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
If we call Ryan Howard fair value the Cardinals could give Pujols a 10% share in the team and they’d be underpaying him. The Cards are screwed.
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess I don’t understand the hooplah behind/surrounding Ryan Howard. Of course, I always forget that he’s like, super young, but still. I guess I’ll have to check out his numbers.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Or he WAS young. Hmm.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Phillies fans are pissed at him right now for trading Lee.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
as Reg tweeted
the decision to keep Blanton and trade Lee is looking more and more moronic.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I added Eric to my phone
to receive his tweets. Not sure how the re-tweet works but I believe he re-tweeted a Reg tweet. I tested the waters myself early in the week. It was kind of weird. I did a few tweets next thing I know five people started following me I’d never heard of. Where do they come from?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
especially considering
how everyone other than Halladay in their rotation has been shaky. Hamels is doing just OK I think.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
At one point I thought there was some bizarre logic behind the whole thing, you can hold on to Blanton longer, contend for two more years then sell the whole thing off and rebuild quickly using the Lee prospects.
The Howard thing just showed he’s a retard.
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
And the Howard signing guaranteed the team would be broken up sooner than later.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the thing with Howard is
people felt like the Phillies paid him like he was going to get better, while all indications are he may have peaked already.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Against RHP
not to many other power hitters I’d rather see up there then Howard, against LHP he is the last guy I’d want to see up there.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=howarry01&year=Career&t=b
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
or trade him
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Aaron Miller
How would you grade Aaron Miller’s progression as a SP, and what is his ETA to the majors?
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 7, 2010 10:33 AM PDT reply actions
If you would allow me to add on to this very quickly
What grade would you give him and do you think he would possibly make the top 100 list. Thanks.
"You’re the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
by Ivdown on Jul 7, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
miller
I’m a big Aaron Miller fan…I love the two-way college guys who take up pitching full time as a pro. Another guy who could be a number two eventually. Strong Grade B, maybe B+ prospect, ETA sometime in 2011.
by John Sickels on Jul 8, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
We saw this yesterday. But thank you for removing your signature from the middle of the quote, which the person who quoted this yesterday left in. (Just an OT suggestion: you wouldn’t think about changing your sig sometime in the near future?)
To you
but that might be a good thing. Everyone was trying to warp him yesterday, he can figure things out, and better he do it with his own convictions then someone else’s.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Sometimes you have to learn
from your own mistakes.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
well, you should wait until after your talk before knocking them out with a crowbar.
(J/K DM)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Most of you have the right idea, and have good advice on the matter, I just need to find out the hard way for things like this.
We talked and basically I think we’ve come to an agreement that we are just going to be friends. That’s cool with me, but last night made it easier to actually start getting over the thought of dating her again.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
You seem bitter about it too
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
You have to meet DeliasMan
he’s actually a pleasant dude, and not the hard living biker guy he comes across here. Of course when you see a man changing diapers, it changes all perceptions:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
He does seem like a good guy
Just giving me shit (like most people in here, in a joking way of course) for my situations.
I really hope there is another TBLA game pretty soon, I want to meet a lot of you guys.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
We are not so much interested in meeting you anymore as we are in meeting your friend
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Just to measure if all the angst is worth it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If she can't see Ivydowns worth
she is obviously a fool, and thus not worth it.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Delias man
is very much like my older brother in terms of personality(at least what I’ve gleaned). My bro and I are close, so Delias is cool by me.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
if you included a picture
then I didn’t see it.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
the really unfunny chick on E!?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Fine, I’ll find another Futurama quote, lol.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
How about
“Michelle, I don’t regret this, but I both rue and lament it.”— Fry
or
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised."— Zapp
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Phil Hartman
RIP
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Its crazy
to realize how many characters Billy West voices on that show
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
He really does sound like a Phil Hartman character
but just another voice by the amazing Billy West
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
He sounds just like Zapp
It’s crazy.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
He was supposed to voice Zapp
before the tragedy.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
that was just too sad
He was a funny funny man.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
“If there’s an alien out there I can’t kill, I haven’t met him and killed him yet.”
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
This may be my favorite.
“Stop EXPLODING, you cowards!”
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Oh man, I love that one. I’m trying to restrain myself because I’m at work. Must…not…laugh….
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
That's one of my alltime favorite lines from that show
I can just picture him saying it, too.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Brannigan's law
Brannigan’s Law is like Brannigan’s love, hard and fast.
—
We have failed to uphold Brannigan’s Law. However I did make it with a hot alien babe. And in the end, is that not what man has dreamt of since first he looked up at the stars?
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by underdog on Jul 9, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kiff, I asked you a question.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Both of these are Rec'd
“Leela, who is at the door.”
“Just a broken down hobo who has hit rock bottom…and his commanding officer.”
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
how about a Morbo one?
“at least those windmills will keep them cool.”
“WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!!”
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I will destroy you!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
oh oh, Lur of Omicron Persiai 8
“What is this emotion you humans call wuv?”
“Surely it says Love?”
“No, Wuv, with an earth W…BEHOLD!”
“THIS CONCEPT OF WUV CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!!!!!”
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
by far my favorite of all time ever
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I once used this when a friend was blathering on
“Uh-huh. That’s whatever you were talking about for ya. "
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
"When I'm in command, every mission's a suicide mission!"
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Idk, there's a bunch of funny ones, but I thought these were especially funny
Is there some kind of problem with that?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
It’s no “in the game of chess, you never show your opponent your pieces”
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
just watched that episode last night
good stuff
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Hahahah
Both excellent.
“When do we get the free Slurm?”
“After the tour when you are partying with Slurms Mcckenzy.”
“When will that be?”
“Soon enough.”
“That’s not soon enough!”
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
http://www.fact-archive.com/quotes/Futurama#Zapp_Brannigan
This should be helpful :)
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Dude
Hasn’t your brain trained itself to filter out all the sig lines that you’ve seen 1000 times already. Mine certainly has.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I forgot that I even have a sig
until this came up
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Vaguely
Mass Effect 1. In context its really badass. The context is a huge spoiler if you ever intend to play the game though.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I don't plan on it
I’ve seen my younger bro play it enough that I can guess where it came from. Now I have to ask Maddz where her’s is from. Hopefully she spares me her wrath.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, this is a good spot for me to vent about MLB the Show. The one thing I would like is a better pitch recognition system. MVP 05 had it perfect with the color system on the ball that depended on the release point of the pitcher.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I miss the MVP games
did you know they have total conversion mods for them that bring them up to modern day? Like completely updated rosters, uni’s and parks? On PC of course
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Firefly.
FOR SHAME, GOOD SIR. FOR SHAME.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
i should have known
for shame indeed. :(
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Have to admit
that I ignore most sig lines once I’ve seen them but for some reason Ivtown’s stands out, probably because of the subject of his posts.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It doesn't even have anything to do with that, lol
I’ll choose a new one anyway, this one has gotten stale.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I didn't get to the see the game last night
but just how sick was Kershaw?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
he was
SICKKKKKKKKKKKK
(count the k’s)
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
The stat line may be one of the top 3 of his entire career. I think he should have gone for the CG, but it wasn't a bad move bringing in Brox.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Second best game score of the season for him
Best was when he beat Ubaldo.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Ralston Cash Avg Christian spends 10 mins w/God in their day, but the avg American spends 4 hours on TV. switch those numbers, and watch miracles happen.
I, uh… oh boy. Not going to be fun rooting for this guy.
You must also dislike Tebow, then.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
do you not root for Furcal then?
He’s mentioned God in every interview he’s had during the past few weeks
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Give all the love to God you want, just don’t call me out for not doing it as much as you do.
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
That's fine, that's his faith.
Don’t try to guilt me into becoming a better Christian. You are not my mom.
ahhhh, ok, that was the problem
yeah, i don’t like that either.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
where is the source for the quote?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Maybe you just shouldn't be his friend on facebook then
Thats his PERSONAL account. If he can’t post his personal feelings and beliefs on there then where the hell can he?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Jul 9, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh, is it really? My employer can look at my facebook account if he wanted to. This isn’t like a personal e-mail account, and facebook has tried to share my personal info to anyone who wanted to buy it off of them.
Besides, he accepts anyone requests to be ‘friended’. Being friended on facebook is a joke as it should be.
yes
Are you fucking kidding me? Its his personal account, I didn’t say private. He should be allowed to espouse his beliefs on his facebook account. I’m sick of all this Athiest/Agnostic hypocrisy. You don’t like being bashed on by religious people, but then turn around and bash them at the first opportunity. Get the fuck over it.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
No, not really.
I know a lot of people who claim to be openminded but are just as rigid in their beliefs and obstinate in their opinions as their conservatively religious counterparts.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I was speaking to his point about the hypocrisy
I do know a lot of people! It’s true.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
See also: imaginary sky creature/flying spaghetti monster.
Basically don’t be an atheist douche.
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Maddz
just curious, did you ever read Philip Pullmans, Dark Materials Trilogy?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Being a SciFi, Animal, and Theology buff
I thought you might find them interesting though much of the Heaven/Hell battle with God does not happen until the 3rd book.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
We can only judge you on here
by your words. Your words are painting a picture, even if its not the one you want it too. You have gone out of your way to mock Cash and Tebow.
How do you feel when religious people mock Athiests/Agnostics or blame them for shit? If your answer is it bothers you or you don’t like it then BAM my point is proven.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
You can mock them for all I care. That's fine. Like atheists or agnostics shouldn't be mocked.
All I mentioned in the initial post that is going to be hard to root for the guy based on the quote.
I think you are missing the point
but w/e.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
What is the point then? You think I’m attacking his religion? You think I’m invading his privacy? You think facebook isn’t used as a news disseminating device like it is? What is it?
Just don't be his friend on facebook
Its that easy, you no longer have to be subjected to his opinions.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
It's not invading his privacy
But because it’s his Facebook, and you added him, not vice versa, it shouldn’t matter what he says on there, short of murder and beating people or animals.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I feel like watching the 3 Part South Park series for Athiesm :)
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Not really
I’m with you in regards to pushing religious beliefs on people, but if it’s his Facebook and not some interview, it’s no big deal at all.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Yes, but you can choose to not friend him.
Especially if his personal views offend you. I mean, I don’t care what you do — ridicule him, praise him, whatever — but if you have a strong opinion regarding religion and you don’t like what he’s saying, why subject yourself to that?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Amen to this. I have ignored family members on facebook because I can’t stand what they write.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Same here.
Or you can always “ignore” them so that their updates don’t show up; you have to go out of your way to find their page and what they’ve been up to.
Second amen…This actually led to some good discussions with a cousin of mine. We agree to disagree, but I can ignore her updates and still remain “friends”.
Facebook just needs an “acquaintance” tag that limits how much the person gets to see about you.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
You do seem to point this stuff out alot.
You’ve been working this Cash/religion angle for a while.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
If it affects whether you want to root for the guy or not
You have a strong opinion on it. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You bring it up, and then when everyone doesn’t agree with you you are trying to back away from it.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Because a lot of people seem to think this is affecting my fandom that it really is. Its surprising at how many people seem to think I’m taking this seriously.
Well, a lot of people seem to take issue I took this from his facebook account which I think is weird. Its facebook, not a personal e-mail.
You literally announce stuff on facebook. Its a newsletter.
W/e
Your comment was douchy and people had a problem with it, but you proceeded to dig a further hole by also having a go at Tebow. If it wasn’t a serious comment you should have said so a lot earlier.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Somebody asked me about Tebow, and that guy had a lot more press than Ralston. I can say Tebow is an idiot and not think of the same as Ralston.
And as for me should be saying its a serious comment, how the heck am I supposed to know you would take it so seriously? Maybe you needed to say you would take it as a serious comment? Do you see how ridiculous this conversation is?
Except it was obvious people thought you were serious
and you defended yourself. That would have been the time to say I’m not really serious just joking around guys! You didn’t.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
How was it fucking obvious? Are you serious? You’re just protecting stuff that isn’t there again. I’m not the one who claimed I hurt Ralston’s feelings by posting a status update from his facebook account.
This is what is getting me, its his facebook account. FACEBOOK. Almost nothing on facebook should be taken seriously.
I think the problem with his quote is how he would define “spends time with God”. If you incorporate acts of worship being helping a neighbor, spending time with family, working in your community, acting on behalf of the oppressed…then he has a great point.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Tebow's hardly an idiot
I don’t have much in common (okay, at all) with him regarding faith, but he has been more than articulate and pleasant in interviews….
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
That part is idiotic, agreed, or at least I strongly disagree with him shallwesay
but he’s just a young believer who is naive in those respects. On other subjects he’s come off as pretty bright. I know, I know, I’m defending him because he’s a Bronco, but even before then I found it hard to be mad at him.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I'm sure we could find some views of yours
that would make you seem idiotic. The difference? Your views aren’t plastered everywhere for the world to see. Tebow has of course invited a lot of the scrutiny himself, but still.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Now I feel bad for watching
two hours of Community last night.
But really, what Tommy BlackJack said.
Live and let live
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I strongly dislike organized religion
but thats never stopped me from rooting for someone just because he believes in a mythical creature in the sky.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
No that ones real
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
True story
Bride and I go hiking in Idlewild and after the long hike return to our car. Somebody pulls in behind us. They’re getting out of their car as I’m putting stuff in our trunk. Dude looks at the FSM sticker on our car and says, “Nice Flying Spaghetti Monster sticker.”
And I was so pleased with myself that I had the presence of mind to reply, “Yes, we have been touched by his noodly appendage.”
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jul 9, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
this one?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I kind of want that on a t shirt now
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
They had a panel regarding the FSM
at the last joint AAR/SBL (American Academy of Religion/Society of Biblical Literature) conference. Of course, that’s what the press in San Diego chose to report on. Typical.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
a few of my pals and I have been watching all thesse documentaries on religion.
We just watched a documentary they made on Hell House, which is this haunted house thing they created in the middle of nowhere Oklahoma that depicts all the awful things that happen to you from going to raves to committing suicide. It was disturbing.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 9, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
There is a documentary that was streaming on Netflix that has to do with Waco. I recommend it. The book that came from it, Why Waco?, is also quite good.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Thanks for the tip.
That will be in the queue for us.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 9, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and then there's Religulous by what's-his-face
Bill Maher?
That piece of film made me so angry. Two of my friends who went to school with me tried to tell me not to watch it. But I had to. It was like a trainwreck that just made me really, very mad.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Have to admit the part with JesusLand (or whatever that amusement park is called) is pretty
damned funny though.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Waco Rules of Engagement
yeah, also disturbing. Maybe you should take a break and watch the “Life” series or something. ;)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I'd recomend the two hours of Community
I watched last night. It was cool of them to view the four best episodes.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Community is a great show
I’m assuming if you say four best episodes the paintball episode was one of them?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Let's see
they had
1. Paintball
2. ChickenFingers(Mafia)
3. Billiards
4. Dang, Can’t remember the fourth one
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Billiards was insane. I laughed my ass off at that episode. So off the wall funny.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Those are certainly some of the better ones
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
“Debate 109”?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
That was going to be my other guess. That one was solid.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
That was great
but I’m trying to remember what the fourth show they showed last night was.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
There was one episode that I can only remember one part for some reason:
Jeff calls them all out and points out Troy and Abed’s relationship and those two respond in tandem that, “they don’t understand us.” Priceless.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Best characters on the show
Without Abed Troy’s character would be fairly meh for the most part, but when paired with Abed their killer.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
True
the best part was the writers grew that relationship. When Abed wouldn’t let him move in, it was good stuff.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Yes Paintball FTW!
Show has gotten better and better, like Parks and Rec.
I just watched the tape of the Dodger game and then Futurama.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
We have been watching Ray Comfort videos
where he goes down to the Huntington Beach Pier to preach. Pure entertainment.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 9, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
It is amazing how much
the fundamentalists are hoping for armmagedon. I didn’t realize these people are actually praying for nuclear attacks.
by Ian Capilouto on Jul 9, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
eh
It makes sense when you realize they think they are the ones who will survive.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Even then it doesn't make sense ;-)
Survive but your planet is obliterated. Great. And what if heaven sucks, or is like Oxnard or something.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Heaven is awesome. End of story. :)
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
I thought it was
a place where nothing ever happens. David Byrne told me so!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
im from oxnard
will cut the next person who disparages my town that smells oft of cow dung
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 9, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you guys talking about Ontario?
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Was that a joke
or geographically challenged non native comment?
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Just messing around, the cow smell comment.
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Just curious
I thought it was a joke but then I know so many people in the Valley who are unaware of anything further then 20 miles from them I was just wondering.
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I think oxnards scent is more chicken shit than cow shit. its fertilizer not so much animals.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 9, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Oxnard must have strict zoning laws, because some of that farmland is right next to the beach. When times were good, developers would have paid a pretty penny for that property.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
No. My position was that if there were no zoning laws, all the farmland would have been purchased and developed by now.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
zoning in oxnard is pretty much dictated by the bribes to the city council
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 9, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Oxnard is so not that bad. It has beaches! Can’t beat that. The city is not really nice but the beaches work.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Beats burning in hell in Woodland Hills
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
problem with oxnard
is all the freeway exits have been surrounded with such things as mushroom farms, dumps and stagnant lakes so anytime you come into the city it smells like ass.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 9, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I was serious. I really do like Oxnard. Oxnard/Ventura is an underrated beach city.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
used to be a vacation spot
for old hollywood. and parking is ample on our beaches.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 9, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I was sort of joking
or being a snobby ex-Santa Barbaran. Oxnard is a lot nicer than it used to be when I was growing up down there.
But I think Ventura is even more underrated, like a less expensive santa barbara with nice beaches.
Anyway, I was more using it as an example of a non-descript city (with a goofy name). Sort of like the heaven that David Byrne sang about. ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Its that kind of crazy stuff
that I don’t like.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Oh wow, yeah Hell House is super disturbing doc
Those kids scare me.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
He’s recently converted, and he’s young. Maybe he’ll learn to tone it down.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
He had
trajedy in his life so it is not uncommon to turn to something to help you deal with it. When someone is gone you want to feel they went somewhere, so you grab onto something. Let him have his beliefs, they don’t impact your own, and if he feels the need to convert, even that is not a big deal. Not like you will be having a one on one conversation with him.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 9, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Most sensible thing said here. Phil, you’re right and I probably shouldn’t have posted the quote here.
That is twice in two days I've been called sensible
someone better step up because if I’m the voice of reason this blog has a problem.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Eric has been too busy for us lately
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Seriously, agreed.
As I said, I don’t relate at all to Tebows or Cashes of the world in their explicit belief in their faith, but frankly I’d rather someone on my team be at peace with God than shoving cocaine up their nose. Again, as long as they aren’t proselytizing their teammates, trying to get them to convert ad nauseum. Would rather people believe what they believe quietly. That part I can see being annoyed with. But if they have found a way to find peace, more power to ’em.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Does his worldview really change how you would root for him?
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Eh, not really. If anything it makes it more annoying.
It’d be like rooting for Jeff Francoeur, and his idiocy.
See I think this is the heart of the matter. You can disagree with his statement and find it annoying, but why does it make him an idiot?
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Because he has said idiotic stuff in the past, and despite that if he was on the team I would probably still root for him.
Mind you, I’m not equating religion or Christianity with the ‘idiotic’ part, but the ‘idiotic’ part with the ‘idiotic’ part. If you want an example, just check Jeff Francoeur’s blog on his website and his relationship and endorsement with Delta airlines.
we need a distraction from all this religious stuff
some post a picture of Conway Twitty
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:17 AM PDT reply actions
WOW
Rick Porcello could be traded soon. He was pushed back in the AAA rotation, so speculation is running wild.
WANT. Dodgers, please try to get him.
I didn’t think you were a big Porcello fan.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
For some reason, I thought you were bearish on him.
Can the Dodgers even afford him? Isn’t he on a major league contract? The guy obviously could gain from spending some time in the minors and getting some polish.
What’s with the Tigers rushing pitchers to the pros?
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
What is it? I thought the Tigers were handing out these odd major league contracts to the high school kids they were drafting. Probably all tied up in the signing bonus though.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Procello’s likely first year of arbitration is already bought out at 1.5 million. That’s huge especially the 2nd and 3rd years of arbitration will have to start out with a low base of 1.5 million.
Okay. Nevermind, that contract will work for me.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I hate his lack of Ks
Is he a groundball guy like Lowe, otherwise I don’t have a lot of faith in him.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Yeah, ground ball pitcher, signed to a nothing contract:
07:$0.38M, 08:$1.1M, 09:$1.2M, 10:$1.025M, 11:$1.536 club option, 12:$1.344M club option
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
For what?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Porcello for Werth would be interesting.
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Won’t happen now that I think about it, I forgot Brennan Boesch was the destroyer of worlds.
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
indeed
I was there for that HR to center he hit. Fucking thing was crushed.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Porcello for Stephen Drew? Tigers have no shortstops in the organization, Arizona is desperate for pitching and could replace Drew with a defense first guy.
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
ooooh
I can totally see that happening
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice matchup
I guess Tony Abreu would not be that defensive first guy:)
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One bad year four years ago. He’s around a 100 OPS+ guy which is good for a shortstop and his defense isn’t completely terrible.
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
not competely
but there was that one throw….
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Oswalt says
he would not accept a trade to White Sox or Tigers. Just thought I’d throw that out there.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions
Ninja Turtles seem to be big here.
I watched my nephew go crazy over them and He Man.
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I had all of them
But Donatello was the best.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 9, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
TMNT
was a staple in my family. My Mom made my Brother and me turtle costumes from scratch on Halloween. They were so awesome we wore them three years in a row.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Loved TMNT
but it was Ghostbuster costumes for me and my bro. Wore them right out.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Fans at Pinstripe Alley, for the most part, are angry.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 9, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
we shall see how angry they are when they celebrate back to back. That is one team where Lee could make a difference between World Championship, Going home early.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
They’re giving a lot to rent Lee for half a year. Sure, he’s going to re-sign, but those fans are hoping to prevent a Carlos Santana – Casey Blake-like deal.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 9, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Not in the same ballpark
If we had traded Santana for Lee when Santana was in AA I would not have had a problem. This is the best pitcher in baseball right now.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
This could be the same if we had gotten
Lee for Santana, hahaha.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Really?
Lee is going to make them better, but they were already the best. In the playoffs, with the way Selig is allowing Fox to determine scheduling, they won’t need to touch the back of their rotation anyway. They could always pick him up after the season without giving up one of the top ten prospects in the game.
I was not impressed with a rotation
of CC, Hughes, Pettite, Burnett as much as I I am with Lee, CC, Hughes.
Remember Hughes should be hitting a wall soon, he’s never thrown innings like this.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It just seems odd to me that you would move one of the premiere catching prospects in the game when you should have an opening for him relatively soon for a guy you could sign in six months anyway. Of course, the Yankees have at least one more top level catching prospect and Montero has always been a little suspect behind the plate. I don’t know. I still think the M’s are getting the better of this trade. I’ll admit to not knowing much about the other two guys being tossed around.
I didn’t realize scouts were so down on his defense. I knew it was questionable, but I didn’t realize it was just downright bad.
Problem is also his size
besides his defense he will probably simply grow out of the position.
Per Baseball HQ:
Strengths: Plus bat speed/power/BA ability. Strike zone judgment. Making contact.
Weaknesses: Speed. Footwork. Slow release. Catch-and-throw skills.
Comments: Powerful and natural hitter has among best power in minors. Season ended in early August due to broken finger, but profiles as top hitter. Makes easy, hard contact and handles bat well with solid barrel awareness. Doesn’t run well and still likely to move off C. Poor footwork and slow release negate average receiving skills and arm.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If I thought Montero could stay as a catcher that would be a different story
as far as I’m concerned he’s a DH.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
some are saying he could move to 1B
like Konerko and Delgado
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure
but not for the Yankee’s. I would not be surprised to see him become the Mariner 1st baseman and for some teams giving up that talent is a big deal, but these are the Yankee’s and the Yankee fans must know that they can simply buy the best player for any position if they so choose, so losing their best prospect for Lee is not the same as the Marlins losing their best prospect for Lee.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
that's why
they are saying the Yankees can stand to lose him, as they basically have no place to play him. Tex is at 1B, Posada still has another year, Cervelli has proven to be a good back up and they have another catching prospect that is a good hitter and much better defensively. Also, they’d want the DH spot for some of the older players.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Kershaw says bring em on
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Kershaw - Bills - Kuroda
Is a nice playoff rotation itself…Though I would drool to see Lee – Kershaw – Bills/Kuroda
Imagine this rotation against the Phillies…Lee would be the great equalizer. Plus, Kuo is kuo against lefties.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
I saw that you had posted it in the game thread
but as I am at my work comp again, i can not see the pic. I’ll be getting it as soon as I get home though. Thanks!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I would very much love that as well
But is that any more or less realistic than getting Lee?
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Some of our threads need chapters
lot of different topics today
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it's fun
to see what direction conversations can take.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
You people
need to stop distracting me from work
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
if I'm distracted at work
you will be too pal
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
OT (Like anything in this thread is on topic)
Should I buy bigger jeans, or start a workout program?
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
My being too cheap to buy new work clothes was the catalyst to get back into shape.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Another topic
Has anyone in the world actually ordered and eaten a Dominoes pizza pasta dish and lived to tell about it?
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions
I've had the Pizza Hut Pasta's
on Tuesday when get both for $10. I liked them but then you put meat sauce on some pasta and I’m pretty happy with the result.
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Woah I go to bed
and there is order in the world. I wake up and I find Cliff Lee is going to be a Yankee and Dodgers Execs are embezzling money from charities. What a difference a few hours make :(
You just woke up?
Its a work day. See how much we are all working!
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sweet huh?
Took the day off because i was so blown away by the shock of LBJ and his decision to move to the heat
LOL
I had so much I planned to do today.
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The Dan Gilbert lunacy continues.
@MikeSciosciasTI Unreal: Dan Gilbert owns Fatheads, and LBJ’s is marked down from $99 to $17.41… the year Benedict Arnold was born. http://digs.by/910UyU
It’s pretty entertaining though.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I definitely find it entertaining.
Gilbert is trying to turn his team into the lovable losers.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
he's sounding more like
the jilted lover
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't blame the guy
Its obvious James never planned to stay in Cleveland, but still let Gilbert make every move imaginable to try to make him happy and keep him.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Really fine essay Phil
It’s been too long since we’ve had a piece like this from you. That kind of writing is what sets this blog apart from some of the other Dodger blogs out there, and is part of what kept me coming to TBLA in the first place. That, and the Duck, and making fun of Andrew.
And my condolences to the better half and you on the loss of Lucky. As you know, I’ve been down the road several times, and it is difficult each and every time.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
From what I've heard
they kinda need everything, and probably could take less than ML ready guys as they need to pretty much fully rebuild.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
FWIW
Pitcher Michael Pineda is no longer listed as the starter for the Mariners AAA club tonight. Could be coming up to start for the Mariners tonight.
Wow would the Yankees start Lee against the Mariners
On the day he was supposed to start against the Yanks? That would be such a mind fuck
Maybe not today
but he could start this weekend. That would be hilarious.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
That would be seriously hilarious
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Didn't that happen Last year
with Jon Garland and the Dodgers?
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He started the next day right?
I meant if Lee starts on the same day he was supposed to oppose the yanks, instead going for theyanks
Houston needs:
1. 1st baseman
2. 2nd baseman
3. SS
4. 3rd
5. Starting pitching
6. Bullpen Help
I’m holding onto Jansen because I think we need him now.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I would love for Oswalt to come over. Would he even want to play in LA?
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 9, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Brad Ausmus says he thinks he would
he knows him pretty well.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
agree
but I also really want to keep Sands. I realize though he could be included.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
well is Sands the real deal?
because trading while his value is high would be better than finding out he turns into a pumpkin later. but then again he becomes the next Pujols I will cry
I’m fine with Sands leaving if we get Oswalt. It took me awhile to realize this, but you just have to do it.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 9, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers have to be willing to give up something of value
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
I really want to see him as a Dodger, but if he has to go, thems the breaks.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
DeJesus, Sands, and some pitcher or two?
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Sure.
Ely, Link, the German…
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Wow turning juan pierre
into Roy Oswalt. That would be great. That would be the most value Pierre has ever brought to LA
I would miss Ely, he's fun to watch pitch.
But I would not bat an eye to trade him for Oswalt. Maybe we can pay Roy out of the ThinkCure budget since he would be curing what ails our rotation.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I would, too
but I’d follow my future husband on the TV.
They say to never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious.
The Toy Story Trilogy, they may simply be the best trilogy ever made.
Clearly you have never seen the entirety of the Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, and Army of Darkness Trilogy…
The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 9, 2010 12:25 PM PDT reply actions
That would be true, I'd say I've not seen any of them.
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madness...
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Star Wars was 2 1/2 movies of awesomeness
I actually liked the last Spiderman more then most.
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I'm real interested
in seeing Christopher Nolan do Superman.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
heh
that was a real thing a long time ago, before the new Batman movies
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
a Superman and Batman movie. Though I hear they still want to do Justice League.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll take a superman movie first
Original was great. The sequel was awesome to a little kid. 3rd sucked. Superman Returns was good but weird plot. TIme to see superman speak like he has a sore throat
First one
since Disney bought Marvel. It will be interesting how it plays out.
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Yeah, I can't argue that
but I still enjoyed it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Spider Man 3
had about 3/4s of a good movie aching to bust out, but it was too unfocused, and the other 1/4 was just so bad there was no way to save it.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
you had in that movie
two villians that should have had a whole movie dedicated to one of them. Harry as the Goblin, or Venom. They shouldn’t have been throw ins.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeh
Venom they totally fucked up in every way. Harry they built up to fairly well, but then they pissed it away with his stupid costume.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
agreed
That whole scene with Eddie turning into Venom could have been at the very end of the movie, then they have a whole movie about Venom. And at the end of that one they could hint at Carnage.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
They also just cast the role wrong
I don’t have anything against Topher Grace, but he is no Eddie Brock.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Fuck Sam Raimi or whatever his name is
He hated Venom so he killed him off. Idiotic directing and scripting…I can’t even believe how fucking dumb that was.
Spiderman 2 was my favorite movie of all-time, and I thought 3 was going to be seriously amazing…I was sad :(
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Fuck Sam Raimi or whatever his name is
Whoa, whoa, whoa! This is the same Sam Raimi who brought the world Army of Darkness! Bite your tounge, sir!
The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 9, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't
but I guess he might not be strong enough to hold a movie on his own. Especially with the way the portrayed him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Sandman should have had less of a role
not more
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
It’s too bad that Bio-dome was not made as it was initially intended to be – the 3rd movie in the Bill & Ted triliogy. Then we could really have an interesting debate about trilogies!
The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 9, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
True story. Bio-dome was originally supposed to be Bill & Ted’s 3. My source was listening to the story on the Adam Carolla Podcast this week…
The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 9, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
News on Strasburg starting at Dodger Stadium
Strasburg will start on the Friday after the All-Star break.
With a five man rotation and there are no rainouts, he will start August 6th at Dodger Stadium.
Who's the likely pitcher for the Dodgers?
by Julio Nievas on Jul 9, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
we were setup for the Aug 7th TBLA game. Eric can’t make Friday games.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Is that really being planned
Because I’m totally in.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Isn't it obvious?
:P
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Just for fun, since we're in trade talk mode, who would you trade for Oswalt?
I would trade:
Martin
Ely
Sands
Dejesus
C prospect
That’s three top 10 organization prospects and Ely.
I sure hope
that means they’d be kicking money in. the Astros that is.
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
my offer
Ely
Withrow
Russell
Dodgers take on Oswalt and his whole salary.
Best offer astros will get.
Including
the option Oswalt will ask to have picked up as “compensation” for waiving his no-trade?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
ah yes, the wink
i was distracted by the initials
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
That seems like a ton
As Tommy says, that means Houston is kicking in a ton of money
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
They would HAVE to pay Oswalt's salary for this year.
If not, then I would ship Ely, Sands, and Ethan Martin.
I DON'T want to either.
But if 2008 and 2009 mean anything, it’s that Ned trades hot hitters at the deadline.
But he loves the character of Sands
and he’s white. You can’t trade white sands. and he’s not a switch hitter. Trayvon has to go.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Andy LaRoche wants to know why you’ve forgotten about him.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
wasn't just hot hitters.
they were blocked players.
With Manny gone after this year and the Dodgers probably not a big player in the free agent market, an OF spot is going to be wide open.
Bell was blocked by a 36 year old 3rd baseman?
No one was expecting Bell to be the starting 3rd baseman in 2010.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I think that is a stretch to say
Blake was blocking Bell given his major league timeline was 2011 a year when Blake could easily be a utility player and probably should be given his 37 year old production.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I'm not saying
it was the whole reason for trading him, but I definitely believe it played a role in convincing Colletti he would be alright to trade.
Joel Sherman says M's backing off
NO DEAL TO YANKS.
Olney agrees.
“At 3:45 E. time, big concerns arising within the negotiation that the SEA-NYY Cliff Lee deal could break up. Fluid situation.”
More from Sherman
“To repeat the #Yankees aren’t getting Cliff Lee, #Mariners concerned about David Adams ankle plus apparently another team has jumped in hard”
Dodgers???
Lol, yeah right.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Pinstripe is full joy mode.
About 15 “phew” comments in a row.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 9, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
They’re going to get Jesus Montero and are letting David Adams stand in the way?
by regfairfield on Jul 9, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Heyman adds
.#yankees about to “walk” after #mariners dont accept montero, adams and 3rd prospect. pessimism surrounds those talks now.
What’s the purpose of “walking” ?
That’s just posturing.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Lee not to the Yanks?
I wonder what team came in with a big offer.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
My thoughts:
1. Twins
2. Rays
10. Dodgers ;)
by Julio Nievas on Jul 9, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm betting Rays and hoping Rays
Make it Hellickson and Sean Rodriquez. Send Wade Davis to Phillie for Werth. Go Rays Go, you only have this one window, go for it.
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Flags Fly Forever
for the M’s to bow out saying they are looking at a better offer, it has to be better then Montero. Only the Rays can do that.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
They would still have
the same big four they currently have:
Garza, Price, Shields, Neiman so I think that is hyperbole.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I want my $1 Hellickson pitching in Seattle
not the AL East. That is my only concern:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Cleveland Cavaliers
They have the cash on hand.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 9, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
While it is exciting to think about Oswalt I dont' think we need him.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Both
Win the division first, the playoffs are just a crap shoot
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
That I agree on
but couldn’t we find a similar replacement for much less then what Roy is making?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Clearly the Mariners are reading our thread and agreed with Phil about Smoak over Montero.
by Michael White on Jul 9, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, that would be cool wouldn't it.
The Rangers also have some pitching to go with it. Maybe Chris Davis gets another shot with the Rangers or the Mariners. I was surprised he’s still only 23.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
What is his problem this year? He's been a dud
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
FWIW, Joel Sherman says its the Rangers
I would take some joy out of a bankrupt team besting the Yankee$.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 9, 2010 1:11 PM PDT reply actions
I totally forgot about the Rangers
Trading Salty???? They’re pretty deep in the pitching department.
It would suck though to get traded to the Rangers
and start pitching in that hell hole in July/August after the cool breezes of Seattle.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
he just knows
that one of the first things in his next contract will be a no trade clause
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 9, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
4 times in 2 years if he goes
That would challenge a record, I’m sure.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
4 times?
indians→phillies→mariners→rangers
4 teams maybe
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Oh yeah, my bad
4 teams in 2 years, 3 times traded.
"You're the only woman to ever love me." "I never loved you." "I meant physically!"
Game preview is up
The game notes and lineups will be posted later in the game thread.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/7/9/1561526/dodgers-look-for-two-in-a-row
I am way behind the curve
But great Piece Phil Loved reading it, absolutely great. I had Barbies and all the typical girlie girl toys growing up, but my favorite toys were usually something my brother had. Whether it was Ninja Turtles, Sky Commanders, He Men, Thundercats or GI Joe’s I’d rather be playing with those than my toys. Other than that it was usually something science related, or just being outside running around, playing in dirt.
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