Dodgers Offensive Roulette Wheel Ends Up On Zero Against Oswalt
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2010 6:53 PM PDT
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PrintBefore tonight's game, per Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times, Joe Torre explained his second consecutive benching of Matt Kemp like this:
Torre said Kemp is sitting because he wanted to field the same lineup that scored 15 runs yesterday.
The Dodgers did field the same lineup as last night, except for A.J. Ellis catching instead of Brad Ausmus, and the Dodgers didn't fare as well against Roy Oswalt as they did versus Kyle Kendrick (shocker, I know), losing to the Phillies 2-0 in the middle game of their three-game series.
Chad Billingsley walked a tightrope, but allowed just two runs in six innings. After allowing a run in the fourth inning, light-hitting former Dodger Wilson Valdez crushed a ball to the wall in center field to lead off the fifth inning. Scott Podsednik was shading Valdez toward right field, and couldn't quite get to the ball, which ended up a triple. Billingsley got two groundouts with the infield in, then a pop out by Placido Polanco to end the inning.
Then, in the sixth inning, the Phillies added another run and looked for more with runners on first and third and one out. Carlos Ruiz crushed a ball that had enough distance to become a three-run home run, but was just foul, and Billingsley recovered to retire Ruiz and Valdez to end his night.
Kemp entered the game, albeit briefly, in the top of the seventh inning, pinch hitting for Billingsley. Kemp struck out on Oswalt's 109th and final pitch of the game. Oswalt allowed five hits and two walks in seven scoreless innings to earn his first win since joining the Phillies.
Notes
- Kenley Jansen pitched a scoreless seventh inning, his seventh straight scoreless outing to start his career. Jansen's seven straight scoreless outings of one inning or more is the longest streak ever to start an LA Dodger career, one more than Jeff Shaw.
- Chad Billingsley's walk in the sixth inning was the first of Domonic Brown's career, in Brown's 41st plate appearance
- Scott Podsednik had three hits tonight, including a double off the wall in the eighth inning
Clayton Kershaw will try to pitch the Dodgers to a series win tomorrow night, against Joe Blanton
WP - Roy Oswalt (7-13): 7 IP, 5 hits, 2 walks, 5 strikeouts
LP - Chad Billingsley (9-7): 6 IP, 5 hits, 2 runs, 3 walks, 3 strikeouts
Sv - Brad Lidge (15): 1 IP, 2 strikeouts
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I did score well on that typing test, after all!
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You must have had your finger on the SEND button as the last out was made
Oswalt, Madson, and Lidge were money today. Damn good pitching.
by The Dude Abides on Aug 11, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
TWSS
I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
by angelofdeath on Aug 11, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
so was that our 27th game where we scored 1 or less? thats like 20%..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 11, 2010 6:56 PM PDT reply actions
Just cause I agree
Nearly three seasons into his post-Yankees tenure on the West Coast, Torre remains more a baseball manager than a Dodgers manager, more an ambassador and icon than an integral part of the City of Angels.
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/dodger-thoughts/post/_/id/7338/torre
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
dodgers have a .634 ops since asb =(
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 11, 2010 7:01 PM PDT reply actions
.634 since they inhaled all that asbestos?
Oh, ok. asb = all star break
by The Dude Abides on Aug 11, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You really should have asked permission before going to New York :)
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Even still, if you asked what he thought, Torre would certainly say good things about his defense.
by Michael White on Aug 11, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Since Kevin Brown was needlessly bashed earlier today, I just want to point out that (by looking at numbers alone) it seems absurd that Brown finished 2nd in the Cy Young voting in 1996 instead of first.
24 wins is hard to ignore…for CYA voters
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, nevermind. Smotlz actually had a slightly lower FIP that season.
by Michael White on Aug 11, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
That wasn’t even Brown’s best year FIP wise. He put up a FIP of 2.82 (x-FIP of 2.81) in his last season with the Dodgers in 2003.
That x-FIP would be the best in baseball this season.
by Michael White on Aug 11, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Because 1996 members of the BBWAA cared about FIP
Why Smoltz won:
- Was really good
- Pitched in the eastern time zone
- Brown was generally a dick to the press
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It’s that house edge. Without it, odds/evens and red/black would actually be 50/50 odds.
by Michael White on Aug 11, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Still young and non-gritty
Maholm is a veteran gamer and has a professional haircut. Rubby goes to the Pirates for Maholm.
by The Dude Abides on Aug 11, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d like to see those peripherals get way, way better. Especially for a guy that throws that hard.
by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You don’t think his BABIP of .178 is sustainable?
by Michael White on Aug 11, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
he doesnt give up homeruns
and his gb rate is way above average. his walks were good in midwest league and so were his Ks. how many more starts til seasons end does he get? I think he’s a candidate for the AFL.
did not get a chance to see the game (kcal afterall) or see the game thread (picking up wife from airport & family dinner)
Torre said Kemp is sitting because he wanted to field the same lineup that scored 15 runs yesterday.
The Dodgers did field the same lineup as last night, except for A.J. Ellis catching instead of Brad Ausmus
but the quote from torre and the basic fact of the lineup he put out: seem to be in direct conflict. Either you put out the same lineup or you don’t. trying to butter up the situation with a flat out wrong qoute is shit. If you are going to change something do it, if not either do not put in a reason or tell the truth.
kemp/ausmus>pods/ellis
shit
I guess I could have seen the first inning or two.
by MammothDodger on Aug 11, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
1) When Kemp starts, it will be in place of Gibbons, not Podsednik
2) Ausmus and Ellis is essentially a wash, and doesn’t really change the meaning of Torre’s note, at least IMO
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
1) unitl raffy returns? or until Manny returns? (fingers crossed for both) I really have nothing to base it on but I really do not like Pods very much. Not that Gibbons is any better. I can see why you want Pods leading off based on his style game, but when Raffy is ready to take his rightful place at the top of the lineup are you really better with Pods batting 7th then Gibbons batting 7th?
2) While their games may be a wash, a difference is a difference and that makes it not the same
by MammothDodger on Aug 11, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I was reading DT from a couple of days ago. Looking at Jon's player rankings. This is what he wrote about Loney. Funny as hell to me.
Two homers, one steal away from first career 10-10 season.
I'm updating the payroll worksheet
and just realized that Garret Anderson achieved one bonus of $25,000 for getting 150 plate appearances. He ended with 163 PA.
That would be a crazy way to make money. How much would you pay in order to bat in a major league game?
A million? 2 million? 10 million?
wow
its about time… i say promote him to AA to get him out of that horrible envirement of highA… i think he will do much better in AA…
Adrian Gonzalez got a bunt single against the shift, and against J-Mac, who threw the ball away, allowing Gonzalez to advance to second base.
Do teams play that shift against AGon with a LHP on the bump?
If so, that’s when AGon should pull out the bunt.
It’s kinda awesome anyway.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
At least we aren't the Mets
from Kyle Burkhardt:
I’ve got breaking news on KRod coming up from Citi Field on SNY. Stay tuned.
From Andy Martino:
K-Rod in altercation in family lounge, physically removed by security, Daily News has learned. More info to come
Kenley Jansen pitched a scoreless seventh inning, his seventh straight scoreless outing to start his career. Jansen’s seven straight scoreless outings of one inning or more is the longest streak ever to start an LA Dodger career, one more than Jeff Shaw.
Also the longest such streak ever to start an MLB career with the LAD. Second place is Bob Welch, five games and 12 1/3 IP.
If you remove the “at least one inning in the outing” restriction, the longest appearance streak allowing no runs to start an MLB career with the Dodgers is 11 games (17 1/3 IP) by Dave Stewart. Number two is Takashi Saito with 8 games, 9 IP. Jansen’s six games is tied for third with Rich Rodas, Jim Poole, and Jack Billingham.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Jansen is one of the few bright spots for the Dodgers at this time
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 11, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
JMac chased in the fifth
From yahoo! sports:
- C. Denorfia lined out to left
- K. Correia struck out swinging
- J. Hairston Jr. singled to shallow right
- M. Tejada singled to right, J. Hairston Jr. to second
- A. Gonzalez singled to shallow center, J. Hairston Jr. scored, M. Tejada to second
- R. Ludwick doubled to shallow center, M. Tejada scored, A. Gonzalez to third
- S. Gallagher relieved J. McDonald
- C. Headley walked
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Now that Gibbons drew a collar and the Dodger O scored a big 0
Joe Torre, will you please start Matt Kemp in this damn bandbox?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You know what's a fun game?
Quiddler. My cousin and aunt brought it during my family reunion, and I have played it several times since. A word game with cards.
Better than Apples to Apples?
One reason to like Apples to Apples is that it completely neutralizes overly competitive guy.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Easier than compring Apples and Apples to this game
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Which three-property monopoly are
Ernie Davis, Jim Brown and Floyd Little?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
They could make a whole new game with just the announcers from Syracuse.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Chance Card:
Take illegal payments from booster: Go directly to jail! Do not pass go; do not collect $200.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Is there a Pornopoly?
(I ain’t googling it on the work computer!) Too easy?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Gotta hand it to the companies with old school ads during Mad Men, tricking me into stopping my fast forwarding through commercials thinking it was the show.
I’ve about had it with that show. It might still be good I guess once I think about it, but it kind of bores me.
by Michael White on Aug 11, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
This season has been underwhelming thus far.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it would get better when they dropped Betty. Now they’ve dropped Betty and its still a bit boring.
by Michael White on Aug 11, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Why HBO/Showtime series are better
If the writing drops, you can always make it back with nudity. Or a really good violent scene.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Or, if they want an Emmy
Violent nudity!
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
K-Rod laid out a KO against… HIS FATHER IN LAW???
http://benmaller.com/2010/08/mets-star-arrested-at-ballpark-after-game/
those pics came up in an earlier discussion. from what I can read about them on another site, there’s some debate whether they’re really Kemp because the guy in the pics has different tattoos.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
You are an expert
on how Kemp looks nude? ;-)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Aug 11, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the supposed face of Kemp pulling on himself.
I obviously edited out the part where he is doing the deed.
That is not Matt Kemp.
Pirates trying to mount comeback
bases loaded 1 out scored 1, still down 7-1.
Yeah McDonald didn’t pitch all that well in SD, even if the Padres had their usual flukey bloopy luck in places.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Flagged
and FML.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Aug 11, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
vs 
Mark Grace said he’d never seen 4 homers in a row…ever. This just after Arizona did it against Dave Bush in Milwaukee.
It has only happened seven times in MLB history.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Mets are officially the Bengals of MLB
Or is it the other way around?
I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
Cliff Lee update
He had his shortest start in some time tonight — 6 1/3 IP, 4 runs — but still walked none and had 11 strikeouts.
Through 20 starts, he is still over eight innings per start (8.07) and has a K/BB ratio of 15.22 (137/9). The record for K/BB ratio in a season by anyone with enough IP to qualify for the ERA title is 11.00, by Bret Saberhagen of the Mets in 1994.
Saberhagen that year (14 wins, 13 walks) was also the last guy to have more wins than walks in a season (minimum 10 wins). Lee is at 10 wins and nine walks right now. If Lee keeps it up, it will be the seventh such season since 1901. Maddux came close twice (19 wins / 20 walks in 1997, and 19 wins / 23 walks in 1995)
Just an amazing year.
Also in that game, the Yankees came back late, and led by one heading into the bottom of the 9th. Elvis Andrus led off the inning with a triple, but since Mariano Rivera is awesome he retired the next three batters for the save.
Check out this stat, from Andrew Katz:
From ESPN: “Rivera’s opponent’s have had 14 ABs w/ just a runner on 3rd representing the tying run. Those batters are 0-14 with 0 RBI” WOW
Apropos of nothing
The last three relievers to win the CYA are: Gagne in 2003, Eck in 1992, & Mark Davis in 1989. I remember feeling Hoffman was robbed in 1998, in which he received more first place votes than Glavine but still lost. (The only other time that happened was in 2009 to Adam Wainwright.)
I lowered the innings requirement to 50, and Exk had two seasons with an 18+ K/BB, and one Rivera season over 12, but other than that Saberhagen still holds strong.
Regarding 1998, people in SD were pissed that Hoffman didn’t win the CYA. I remember favoring Maddux, got also being happy with Glavine winning (or Hoffman losing?).
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2010 10:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The only reliever that might - MIGHT - have deserved his Cy Young was Iron Mike Marshall in 1974
although Andy Messersmith was probably the best Dodger pitcher that season. I can’t see any justification for giving a guy who throws 70 or so innings in a season the Cy Young over any full-time starter who deserves consideration. If Willie Hernandez didn’t get the Cy in 1984, it might have gone to Bert Blyleven (top vote getting starter) and he’d already be in the HOF!
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Aug 11, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is everyone?
A. Jumping down escape chute and grabbing a beer on way to parking lot
B. Looking for naked pictures of Matt Kemp
C. Lost in Dubai
D. Busy punching their father-in-law
I’m looking up the 1995 Dodgers.
That team had 2 pitchers finish in top 5 of CYA voting (Nomo and Martinez) and 2 players finish in the top 5 of MVP voting (Piazza and Karros.) The team won the West but didn’t have a very good record and was swept by Cincinnati. Was this team any good?
Martinez finishing in the top 5 in CYA voting is pretty funny since according to ERA+ he was the Dodgers 4th best pitcher behind Nomo, Valdez and Candiotti. Martinez did have a nice W-L record though…
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Without looking it up, I would assume they were 0-40 RISP in that playoff series.
My first game http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198604280.shtml
And their bullpen kinda sucked.
My first game http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198604280.shtml
In Game 1 Martinez gave up 4 runs in the first inning and 7 ER in 4.1. Nomo and the bullpen got pounded in Game 3.
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
bullpen sucked overall, not particularly in that series
My first game http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198604280.shtml
Ya, I figured thats what you meant.
If TBLA was around then, we’d be going crazy about Martinez getting the ball Game 1.
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
why do you say that? Ramon was 5 in CYA that year, at the top of his game.
My first game http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198604280.shtml
Nomo was clearly better, but without looking it up, I assume he was used in the final game or so since he didn’t pitch until game 3.
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
he pitched Saturday before
My first game http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198604280.shtml
See above. 4th best ERA+ on the team, and his FIP was 4.21. Seems clear he placed so well in CYA voting was due to the 17 games he won.
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
But he was the man
Senority, staff ace, etc.
My first game http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198604280.shtml
Sure, but that’s the sort of thing we go ballistic about around here, right?
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
It was a different time.
If you had a real problem with Ramon getting the ball in Game One, then you have a problem with me. But it does not matter because it was just his turn in the rotation.
My first game http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198604280.shtml
What can I tell you. I admitted to not having memory of it so I’m going exclusively on numbers.
Monster year Ramon had in 1990 though. 12 complete games. Talk about a different time.
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Valdes was clearly the Billingsley of the group, so I’m sure we would have stuck up for him, even when Karros fought him in the shower (I think that was later though).
We would have been skeptical of Candiotti because he was a knuckleballer, and Nomo pitched that Saturday (to clinch the division in SD; I was there!).
So it was really between Ramon and Valdes for Game 1. Ramon had enough of a track record that I think we would have understood it.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 12, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Four guys with an on base below .330, and a crappy bullpen. A good, but not great team.
by regfairfield on Aug 12, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
And any time we hate Torre just look at these stolen base rates:
Karros – 4 for 8
DeSheids – 39 for 53
Offerman – 2 for 9
Kelly – 15 for 22
by regfairfield on Aug 12, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, I just don't get it
the manager was stupid for letting them run?
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 12, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes. You have to be succesfull stealing at a very high clip to make the attempt worth it.
To let Deshields attempt that many stolen bases is crazy.
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
re: Stealing
If you’re stealing at less than a 75% success rate, you’re better off never going at all.
A runner on first with no one out is worth .9116 runs. A successful steal of second base with no one out would bump that to 1.1811 runs, a gain of .2695 expected runs. If that runner is caught, however, the expectation—now with one out and no one on base—drops to .2783, a loss of .6333 expected runs. That loss is about 2.3 times the gain.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2607
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
“In my opinion, Bryce is the greatest amateur player ever to play baseball, and I am talking Mickey Mantle and others,” Chambers said. "He won the Golden Spikes Award. He achieved all of his goals. What else can he do?
“No other human being in baseball could leave high school his sophomore year and do what he did.”
Harper has also gained 17 pounds of muscle since the season ended.
how long until he's in the bigs?
not when he SHOULD be, when they WILL bring him up? Though I guess he does have to sign first.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 12, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
It’ll take time. This isn’t Strasburg who played 3 years of college.
Unless this guy is A-Rod, it will take a few years.
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I know that. I’m just wondering if the Nats will feel pressured to bring him up(assuming he signs). Are there a lot of holes in his game thus far?
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 12, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
i think any number one pick is gonna have that.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 12, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Strasburg didn’t seem to have nearly the level of entitlement and arrogance as Harper does this year. And he had every bit as much hype and reason to be. i just find Harper to be exceptionally irritating in interviews and game clips I’ve seen.
I agree
and I’m not saying this as an excuse for him, but the guy is basically a Man amongst Boys in the college league. I think the minors will straighten that out, but it might be until he makes the majors that someone really humbles him. I remember a great quote Vinny said(he was quoting someone else, don’t remember who.)
“In this game, there are two types of people. Those who are humble, and those who are about to become humble.”
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 12, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
The Day After
not getting a job blows even more because now I have to tell everyone that was rooting for me.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 12, 2010 8:21 AM PDT reply actions
I misread that at first
Sorry to hear that didn’t go the way you hoped.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Trayvon
Now 6th in Southern league in OPS. 4 out of the 5 guys ahead of him are at least two years older than him. The other guy is a CF in the Reds system who is one year older than Trayvon and having his first good season.
He’s certainly shot way up there in the last year and a half, but I don’t think he can dethrone Gordon and/or Withrow just because of position.
Starting CF is more valuable that #3 pitcher.
Isn’t Gordon still a trainwreck at SS?
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Gordon is definitely weak at SS, but there is some reason they are keeping him there. I guess it could be a lack of SS’s in the system in general. And, this year not withstanding, isn’t Withrow’s ceiling still top of the rotation?
I don’t see it, but I’d defer to the minor league experts on this board.
As Phil pointed out, no recent Dodgers top pitchers have had such a brutal year in AA. Kershaw, Billingsley, Elbert and McDonald all dominated at that point. He lacks secondary pitches (which is to say he can’t locate his curve.)
I think the likely scenario is RP, but his absolute celing is #3 pitcher.
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Trayvon might be higher on many of our lists going into next year, but I would wager that Gordon will still be #1 on BA’s list.
Since Gordon is “toolsy” and jumped a level, he will have next year to either step up and be looking at a role on the 2012/2013 Dodgers, or he will drop in prospect rankings.
Lambo jumped a level, and most people evaluated him on the success of the year in AA.
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't have XM
but my brother said he heard on MLB radio this morning that The Beard cleared waivers. Not surprising.
That sort of “slip” has to come from somebody within the Dodgers right?
Who else would know that and care to make it public?
by Michael White on Aug 12, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
It likely comes out in conversations with other GMs. Just shooting the shit.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 12, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I hear he can't
which is why he shaved
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 12, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Lots of veterans get placed on waivers in August.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 12, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
what is it about Chipper Jones?
he always seems to get hurt right before the Braves play the Dodgers.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 12, 2010 8:56 AM PDT reply actions
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