Dodgers 2010 Draft Summary
Now that the signing deadline has come and passed, I wanted to give my overview and opinion of the Dodgers 2010 draft. I didn’t mean for it to turn out as long as it did, but once I started writing I couldn’t stop. As a whole, I think the Dodgers did very well for themselves. They signed 30 of their 50 picks (although 14th round pick Alex McRee already retired for an unknown reason after just 1 inning in the Arizona Rookie League), including several players that I consider solid prospects.
Deals at the Deadline
Let’s begin with the deals that got done at the deadline, starting with our biggest prize. Zach Lee obviously was a huge pickup, and as I’ve already mentioned in the comments, I immediately consider him the top prospect in the system. Some have questioned my ranking, saying that guys like Jerry Sands and Trayvon Robinson have already performed well in AA and thus should be ranked higher than Lee. My response is this: I don’t rank guys based on their AA stats, but instead rank them on their big league potential. Of course it all still comes down one’s own opinion, but I personally think that Zach Lee will have a much more successful career in the big leagues than anyone else in our system. It’s really all about ceilings and the likelihood that a player will reach the ceiling, and I think Zach Lee has a much better possibly of being a #1 starter than Trayvon Robinson has of being a star in center fielder. Anyways, enough with the rankings and onto a quick scouting report. What I like most about Lee is that he already has 3 pitches that are already considered plus pitches by some, and that he has a very clean delivery. While he might not be able to hit the upper 90’s, I’d rather have a guy who throws 93 with a good changeup and breaking ball. He also already has solid control of his pitches, which is something most of our top pitching prospects lack. According to the MLB.com scouting report:
Fastball: Lee has touched 95 mph on the gun and generally sits in the 90-92 mph range.
Fastball movement: He has plus movement. Everything he throws has depth to it.
Slider: It's nice and short, a plus breaking ball thrown 79-81 mph.
Changeup: It's Major League average now and projects to be a plus pitch in the future. He's not afraid to throw it when behind in the count.
Control: He's got better command and feel for pitching than you expect a two-sport star to have.
The other thing I like about Lee is his athletic build and his multi-sport background. 6’4" is the perfect pitchers height so his velocity is only going to improve with professional coaching. As Logan White said, he could be in the big leagues by the time he is 21 years old, which would be great. Obviously the $5.25M we gave Lee is a big chunk of change, and a lot of that had to do with his leverage, but even still I think he’ll turn out to be one of the better picks in the entire 2010 draft. As Jim Callis said from Baseball America, he would have been drafted much higher had he not had signability issues. He was even considered the 2nd best high school pitcher in the draft by some. When it is all said and done, I think Kershaw will have a better big league career than Zach Lee, but I think it will be a lot closer than people think.
Joc Pederson got the 2nd biggest bonus from the Dodgers despite being selected in the 11th round. Had he not signed, he was going to play baseball at USC, and had even talked about walking on to the USC football team (he was a First-Team All League wide-out at Palo Alto High School). Like Lee, Pederson would have been selected much higher had he not been considered a tough sign before the draft, and had even been discussed as a possible first round pick. Scouts say that has the potential to be a 5 tool player, although none of his 5 tools have a particularly high ceiling. In short, he has ability to one day be a big league regular, but he’ll probably never be a major league star. A comparable player that comes to mind is Ryan Spilborghs, although his frame reminds scouts of Jim Edmonds. A lefty thrower and hitter, Joc has the speed to play center field, although he’s probably better suited for a corner outfield position. Overall, I expect Pederson to rank pretty favorably in my offseason prospect rankings.
Scott Schebler is yet another multi-sport athlete who signed late with the Dodgers. In one article I read, it said that Schebler scored seven touchdowns as a wide out in football and averaged 40 yards per punt, averaged 18 points per game in basketball, scored 24 goals and led his team in soccer, and set school track records in the 55 meters, long jump and 800-meter relay despite running track and field for the first time. And in baseball, he is a talented outfielder that tore up the collegiate Northwoods League this summer. In that league, he hit 10 home runs in 58 games and was named to the league’s all-star team. According to one report from perfectgame.com, "Scott Schebler is a 6'0'', 190 lb. strong very mature build. Excellent runner for his size, 6.52 in the 60. Solid of actions, accurate arm with some carry. tall stance hitting, leg lift trigger, long and strong swing, ball comes off bat hard on contact, gap power, swing will get long at times, but he can really hit." Scott is still just 19 years old, but could move relatively quickly through the system because he’s already played at the junior college level.
The Dodgers gave 31st round pick Derek Cone $100K to sign just days before the deadline. Cone was the ace of the staff for Mesa Community College (Arizona), and recorded a 1.93 ERA and 105 strikeouts in 84 innings. His most impressive performance in college came when he threw 11.1 innings in a playoff game, no hitting the other team for 9.2 of those innings. Derek is a big guy at 6’5" and was going to attend BYU had he not signed with the Dodgers.
21st round pick Noel Cuevas signed right around the deadline as well for $100K, but his signing went unnoticed by most. I’ll be honest, I didn’t even realize that he signed until I read a little blurb on dodgers.com. Cuevas is an outfielder from Puerto Rico who is just 18 years old. According to Baseball America, he has intriguing raw power, and although it doesn’t always translate into home runs during games, he can put on a show in batting practice. He’s apparently destined for left field because of his below average arm, but he is strong runner with good makeup. I actually watching a video of him and he does have a very weak arm, but I liked his swing which does seem to generate a lot of power. Still raw in terms of baseball, Cuevas will likely benefit from playing every day in the minor leagues and could have some success once he adjusts to more advanced pitching.
Finally, Andre’s brother Devon Ethier signed around the deadline, but I really don’t think he is anything special. Even though he plays outfield like Andre, he is a very different player in that he doesn’t have much power. However, he can hit for a decent average and has the ability to steal bases. Overall, I don’t think he’ll amount to much in the Dodgers system.
Notable 2010 Signees Already Playing in Our System
More than 20 players signed with the Dodgers well before the deadline and have already been playing with Dodger minor league affiliates. Most have already been discussed several times in my minor league reports, but I’ll mention the players drafted in the top 10 rounds who signed, as well as other guys who have potential to be legitimate prospects in my opinion (in the order they were drafted).
Ralston Cash – The Dodgers probably could have drafted a player with more upside with their 2nd round pick, but instead went with Ethan Martin’s cousin because they figured they could sign him for a decent price. Turns out they inked the 78th overall pick on June 20th for $463K, which is a pretty good deal for the Dodgers. Ralston has a low 90’s fastball with sink, and he has touched 94 mph. Some scouts describe his secondary stuff as fringy, while others believe his changeup and slider can one day become plus pitches. Cash just turned 19 years old, and has performed well so far in the Arizona Rookie League. Hopefully he’ll move up to the Loons rotation in 2011, although he may join the team late after an extended stay in spring training.
Leon Landry – The Dodgers took the athletic Landry in the 3rd round, and have gotten their $284,400’s worth so far. Leon has put up very strong stats in the Pioneer League and plays very solid defense. The Ogden Raptors announcer compared him to Andres Torres, and said that he is a gap hitter who can drive the ball. He’ll definitely play in a full season ball next year, but whether it’s in Lo-A or Hi-A I’m not sure.
James Baldwin – I was excited about Baldwin as a 4th round pick because he is a very athletic player with good bloodlines. While he started off slow in his professional debut, he has been much better over the past month and leads the Arizona Dodgers in stolen bases. On the downside his strikeout to walk ratio is pretty poor, but I’ll give him a pass this year since he’s just 18 years old.
Jake Lemmerman – The Dodgers 5th round pick signed very quickly, and has been hitting for the Raptors ever since. Jake boasts an .350 average and even has 5 homers on the season. The 21 year old has proven to be a solid defender at shortstop, although Baseball America predicts that he’ll eventually move to 2nd or 3rd because of his below average speed. If he is able to stay at shortstop, he could be very strong Dodger prospect in the future.
Ryan Christenson – Little was known about Christenson when he was drafted, but he has proven to be a solid selection for the Dodgers thus far. After dominating the Arizona Rookie League in 4 starts, Ryan has been more hittable in the Midwest League, but his FIP with the Loons is still an impressive 3.16. At South Mountain Community College, Christenson struck out 59 batters in 58 innings and allowed just one home run.
Blake Dean – Dean was definitely as a safe and cost effective pick for the Dodgers as he signed for just $35K. While he had over 50 home runs during his 4 seasons with LSU, I’m not sure how valuable he’ll be in the Dodgers system since he doesn’t have a ton of power, yet plays 1st base. He’s had a couple of big games since turning pro, but his overall stats are pretty disappointing when compared to his teammates, most who are younger than him.
Steve Domecus – Domecus provides the Dodgers with depth at the catching position, and luckily he can swing the bat a little bit. However, he is already 23 years old and scouts predict an eventual move to the outfield. So far with the Raptors he hasn’t been very good, and only has 2 walks in over 100 at bats.
Bobby Coyle – Coyle is a local boy from Chatsworth who put up solid numbers during his junior season at Fresno State. According to Baseball America’s scouting report, "He has good pitch recognition skills, which means he has a chance to be a high on-base percentage hitter, but needs to exercise more patience and plate discipline, which is also reflected in his stats. He is not a burner, but an above-average runner and projects as an average left fielder." Coyle has been pretty good in his professional debut, and actually leads the Raptors in RBI’s. However, I’m not sure what kind of a future this 21 year old has with the Dodgers organization.
Matt Kirkland – I was excited when the Dodgers signed Kirkland because I’ve heard a lot of good things about him. He has a lot of raw power, and has the body to play a solid 3rd base. He hit 17 homers as a junior in high school and 11 HR’s as a senior. He had been committed to Tennessee, but the Dodgers were able to sway him to sign with an undisclosed figure. While he’s a little older than most players coming out of high school, he is still just 19 years old and has a lot of time to improve his game. He hasn’t gotten a ton of action in the Arizona Rookie League since signing, but he has at least shown a good eye at the plate.
Jesse Bosnik – 13th round pick Bosnik was a shortstop in college, but he plays 3rd base as a pro. He got off to a quick start with the Raptors in June, but has slowed down considerably over the past month and a half. Even so, the 6’2" lefty will most likely get a chance to prove himself in a full season league next year.
Andrew Pevsner – 16th round pick Pevsner has very good stats so far with the Raptors, but I was disappointed when I heard he only threw in the mid 80’s. He does belong in the Dodgers organization, though, because he was born on the day Kirk Gibson hit his famous home run in 1988.
Logan Bawcom – 17th round pick Bawcom has been beat up a bit recently on the mound for the Raptors, but still sports a strong K/9 and throws in the low 90’s. According to the Ogden announcer, he also has a hard 83 mph slider and a changeup.
Red Patterson – I didn’t consider the 29th round pick Patterson a Dodger prospect when he was first drafted, but his stats in the Pioneer League may be changing my mind. The 6’3" right has an ERA right around 2.50 and has a solid K/9. Sure he’s 23 years old, but those stats are pretty impressive for the hitter friendly league.
Shawn Tolleson – Much like Patterson, Tolleson was just an after though when he signed with the Dodgers. However, he has been spectacular in his professional debut. The 30th round pick has a very solid cutter which has translated into an ERA below 1. A Tommy John surgery survivor, Tolleson’s performance might just be the most surprising thus far out of all the picks in the draft.
Beau Brett – Beau is significant because he is the nephew of George Brett and wasn’t expected to sign after barely playing last season at USC. However, the 21 year chose to sign and has been pretty disappointing so far. The fact that he plays 1st base doesn’t help.
Steve Matre – The 39th round pick actually signed pretty late, and only made his professional debut about a week ago. He had Tommy John surgery in 2009 and didn’t play his senior season at the College of Mount Saint Joseph. There has got to be a reason the Dodgers signed him, so we’ll just have to wait and see if he turns into anything.
Notable Players who Didn’t Sign
Kevin Gausman – Gausman was the only pick in our top 14 that didn’t sign, and he really is the only one of significance in the entire draft. I never expected the Dodgers to sign both Gausman and Lee, so I wasn’t too disappointed to he hear that he wasn’t going to sign. Sure he throws hard, but his secondary pitches are currently below average and don’t ever project to be better than mediocre. He will be a draft eligible sophomore in two years, so it will be interesting to see how high he gets drafted in 2012.
Jake Eliopoulos – Eliopoulos was the Blue Jays 2nd round pick in 2009, but obviously didn’t sign and has gone downhill since. It was rumored that the Dodgers were going to announce a deal with Eliopoulos at the deadline, but it didn’t end up happening and it was probably for the best. Jake has attitude issues and had an awful season in 2010. I really don’t think we missed out on much here.
Ben Carhart – I don’t know much about the 19th round pick, but one of the members here at TrueBlueLA said that he had a solid offensive season in 2010 for Palm Beach CC, and was also able to hit 94 mph from the mound. He sounded like an interesting player, so I’m a little disappointed he didn’t sign
Chad Wallach – There was no chance that the 3rd son of Tim Wallach would sign out of high school with the Dodgers as a 43rd round pick, but it was fun to hope. He’ll attend Cal State Fullerton and will most likely be a two way player. Don’t be surprised if we draft him again in 3 years.
Nick Baker – Steve Garvey’s son played on the same team as Baker, and Garvey was so impressed with Nick that he lobbied that the Dodgers watch him pitch. Tommy Lasorda ended up going out to watch him pitch, and told the Dodger scouts to keep an eye on him. The Dodgers selected him in the 44th round, but he quickly chose to go to Chico State. Again, don’t be surprised if you hear his name on draft day in 3 years.
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It’s really all about ceilings and the likelihood that a player will reach the ceiling
I think the likelihood is what people would disagree with. He’s only 18 and way too much could go wrong between now and starting for LAD. Nobody doubts his celing, but TINSTAAPP for a dude who hasn’t even thrown a professional inning means the likelihood of reaching his ceiling has to be fairly low at this point, right?
Personally
I don’t count on things going wrong for a player. While injury concerns are legimate for some players, especially if they have a herky jerky delievery, I generally don’t downgrade them too much unless they have a history of injuries. In Lee’s case, he exceptionally clean delivery should also be reason to believe he won’t experience too many injuries in his career.
Sure he could turn into Greg Miller, there is always that possibility, but I don’t think the likelihood of a first round pick who was paid over $5M to reach the majors is low. I’d say his chances of playing in the MLB are above 50%, with the chances of him being a big league All Star obviously less, but still above 10%. That’s a higher percentage than I can say for most players
Neither do I
doesn’t mean I’m not in the office
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Terrific post
With Lee, Pederson and Schebler, I think the Dodgers should consider installing a spread offense.
by Real DL on Aug 20, 2010 7:58 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I guess because of the Gibson
connection I love the excitement that football wide outs bring to the baseball game.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Tolleson
Do you have any scouting reports on him? Is his performance something worthy of tracking or do you think its a fluke at this point?
According to the Ogden Raptors announcer we should
This is from a previous post, and it’s the only report I have on him…
Shawn Tolleson – Tolleson is putting up some ridiculous numbers as the closer. Has he surprised a lot of people since he was 30th round pick? How hard does he throw and what is his out pitch? Is he a guy to keep out eye on or is he just a 22 year old feasting on younger hitters?
Tolleson wasn’t the closer out of camp. His out-pitch is clearly his cutter. He loves to throw it with two strikes and hitters can rarely make contact. He is definitely a guy to look out for. He is not only getting the guys out in the bottom of the order and getting the easy three-run lead saves. He is also getting the close-game, get-out-of-a-jam saves. This league is not as young as you think. There are young Latin players but still tons of guys that are 22 out of college.
However, his college stats at Baylor were only 2-7 with a 5.17 ERA in 13 starts and three relief appearances. He struck out 84 batters walked 29 in 76 2/3 innings.
With Alex McCree...
I think he just wanted to be able to say that he “made it.” Meaning, that he had a goal to pitch professionally. I read an article that said that he would be going to Dental School at the same time as playing so either he will unretire and play at the beginning of spring training, or that he has really retired and is satisfied with his life choice.
Yeah
I asked the Dodgers if he had an injury, and they said no, only that they had heard he went to dental school.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Considering how long it takes to get on your feet being a dentist or a doctor, it seems like you can’t waste too much time making minor league minimums if you know it won’t work out.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats what I was thinking
Also, not sure if he got any kind of bonus, but it would be pretty nice to pocket the $20k or whatever it may be to help pay for school.
Hope Cash can make it to the big club
so we can all say how Money he is.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 8:46 AM PDT reply actions
For the Lakers fans
New Bill Simmons column up:
but still, [Shaq’s] going to saunter into Los Angeles wearing a Celtics uniform? The Lakers won’t be rushing to retire his number after that one, nor will their fans care. Depending on how well Boston does (and how personally Lakers fans take it), Shaq could morph into the next Clemens, aka The Superstar Who Doesn’t Really Belong To Any Team.
Do Laker fans really care about this?
No, not at all
Shaq is a hood ornament now anyway.
Seeing him in a Celtic uniform does nothing to diminish his standing with the Lakers.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s what i figured.
BTW, I recommend this Simmons column. It’s a funny one.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I imagine seeing him in a celtics jersey is about how Giants felt watching Juan Marichal pitch for the Dodgers or Willie Mays pitch for the Mets. Is this how Dodger fans felt when Cey went to the Cubs (or A’s)? I guess Cey had a couple good years with the Cubs after being dealt.
They were done anyway so good for you that you could play an extra year, ’We’ll always have Paris’ type deal?
Matt Kemp can make the Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs.
I don't
I just kinda shake my head and smile. “Oh that wacky Shaq.”
He’s just running down the time until he becomes an analyst and him and Charles Barkley duel for supremacy.
there can be only one.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
speaking retiring numbers
any chance the Dodgers retire #31 after Piazza goes into the HOF? (longshot I know, but man he was fun to watch)
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I am thinking the only retired number I will see in my lifetime is Gil Hodges when the Vet committee eventually lets him in.
that's sad
10× All-Star selection (1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985)
World Series champion (1981)
4× Gold Glove Award winner (1974, 1975, 1976, 1977)
1974 NL MVP
2× All-Star Game MVP (1974, 1978)
2× NLCS MVP (1978, 1984)
almost 2600 hits
Longest NL consecutive games streak at 1207
and (I believe) is the only man ever to record an errorless season at 1B (1984)
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Almost everything you said to show he should be in the HOF are awards voted on by other people and not stats or milestones he reached.
Matt Kemp can make the Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs.
considering the HOF is voted on by other people
why not?
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Steve Garvey’s case has been judged by the people most likely to appreciate his talent and skill, and that case has been found wanting.
But those people have been known to miss out on stats-based arguments in favor of a player. So if such an argument exists, that could be a reason to open the door again.
However, Garvey’s stats-based argument is lacking, too.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Aug 20, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
but you also said had his rep not been tarnished by his escapades, he likely would be in the hall.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
He was wrong
he just doesn’t stack up as a 1st baseman. Ron Cey has a better case as a 3rd baseman. HOF 1st baseman have some serious offensive numbers.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
It can be a self-fulfilling cycle
outside of All-Star appearances…
Writers vote on awards during career, decide a player’s worthiness or lack thereof, then judge said player once he is done on their own judgments.
Put another way, if writers were flat wrong about a guy his whole career, and he never did well in award voting, HOF voters will in turn hold that against him in spite of actual performance. See Blyleven.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
That's so crazy
He’s really underrated.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
Steve Garvey, underrated?
Steve Garvey was very good, but he might be the most overrated player this side of Lloyd Waner.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Aug 20, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I always forget which Waner was Big Poison and which one was Little Poison.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Paul was Big Poison
and Lloyd was Little Poison.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Aug 20, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
He had a decent peak, but he’s a first baseman with a .329 on base. Even if you cut out his decline phase he’s a .304/.342/.468 career hitter, a 125 OPS+. This is a Hall of Very Good type player.
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
His misadventures after retirement haven’t helped his reputation either.
I know it’s not supposed to matter, but it does.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
by MartinGreen on Aug 20, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep.
Thing is, as much as I think he’s a Hall of Very Good guy, I also think it’s those misadventures that have kept him out of the Hall of Fame. Had he kept his squeaky-clean rep, I think he’d be in, 329 OBP and all.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Aug 20, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Am I the only one on this board
That feels that Piazza is tainted because of PEDs?
(Note: I think we may have had this discussion before, or it may have been somewhere else)
never heard him mentioned in that discussion.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
yes
do you have something? Trust me, I watch a lot of baseball stuff, and whenever someone might have done steroids they mention it, regardless.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
interesting what the internet brings you
seems it’s one of those cases of some guys being drug through the mud, and others not.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I've never heard anything like for those guys
I don’t consider him a PED user.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
There’s a good chance Piazza was on roids.
There’s also a good chance that every single player from the late 90s was on roids, so it cancels itself out.
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I would accept him without question. In fact, I’ll retire his number on the sidebar if he joins!
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I will just have my name with “GFY” on a plaque.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone makes hair choice mistakes
just ask Reg
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
i love that site
but know I think i’m missing something.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking that when I was at the game the other day. Don’t we have some outstanding rule about them having to make the hall of fame? You’re right it’ll be interesting once he makes it. I think we should do it. Pedro I wouldn’t because he really wasn’t around long enough, to our own fault and detriment.
Looking back, why the hell did we trade Pedro after only one season as a reliever in blue? God dammit I hate that trade so much more now. I was only 7 when it happened, I didn’t know!
Matt Kemp can make the Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs.
Tommy said he was too small
and “we really needed a second baseman.”
and the only guy who’s number is retired that isn’t in the HOF is Jim Gilliam
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Also remember that at the time we were getting one of the best young second basemen in baseball for a guy who was the number 10 prospect coming off a decent rookie year.
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Decent?
We have different opinions about what “decent” implies.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
You have to have better than a 148ERA+ to be better than decent
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martipe02.shtml
Matt Kemp can make the Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs.
Okay, really good but not something that says “this guy will be the most dominant starter of all time”.
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It's an unwritten rule RE: HOF
Jim Gilliam is the only non-HOF Dodger number retired, but he happened to be a beloved figure who happened to be Walter O’Malley’s favorite. He also was a coach for several years and died suddenly before the 1978 World Series.
Also, Fernando’s #34 isn’t retired, but it basically is because it hasn’t been worn by anyone since he left.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
i remember Manny wanted to wear it when he first came here.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
we just don’t retire it because he isn’t in the hall of fame? Personally, if you aren’t going to let anyone wear it you might as well give the guy the recognition as well. If no one can wear the number, it’s a retired number. Just because you don’t call it that doesn’t mean it’s not what it is. All you’ve done is retire a number without giving Fernando any public credit.
Matt Kemp can make the Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs.
This killed me about Jennifer Aniston's movie career
“Marley & Me” (2008): Her biggest triumph. Although they could have made this movie with Betty White playing Luke Wilson’s wife and it still would have made $100 million.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
About Padilla's injury
Kuroda should hook him up with his acupunture specialist. Kuroda said it was painful, but I’ll bet it’s not “bullet through the leg” painful.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 8:59 AM PDT reply actions
Painfull?
The only pain I had when I did acupuncture was the lack of it after I received the treatment. Nothing quite like the thrill of getting stuck with needles.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
He is going to be our pitching
Marlon Anderson when it comes to SSS record setting performances. I just hope he does not become a footnote like Doyle Alexander and John Smoltz. Dolye went 9 – 0 for the Tigers after this trade
August 12, 1987: Traded by the Atlanta Braves to the Detroit Tigers for John Smoltz.. But John Smotlz is all anyone talks about.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Who's the John Smoltz of this trade?
Brett Wallach? Smoltz was already pitching in MLB at Wallach’s age.
And Lilly (career 109 ERA+) is hardly comparable to Anderson (career 83 OPS+).
laughing at myself
Just finished the Reds Preview and had to many numbers floating in my brain.
Anyway McDonald was the man being equated with Lilly so I totally blew the comparison. All I could think was how good Lilly was doing, and how good McDonald was doing. One guy was old, one guy was young, but yet they weren’t traded for each other, just traded on the same day.
Sorry about that.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Yeah, it's very Colletti
that he made one of the arguably worst trades of his career on the same day that he made one of his best
Trading for Ted Lilly was one of his best?
No way.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Tend to agree with this. It doesn’t come close to the Ethier or Manny trades, but it also wasn’t horrible like Santana.
I would put it in the middle of Colletti’s deals.
by silverwidow on Aug 20, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Its gotta be closer to the top of his deals though, just because he’s made so many worse.
The Dotel trade is the worst IMO.
Good point
That one actually slipped my mind. So its one of those two.
It was an awful trade
but Navarro is back in AAA after being the briefest of all-stars.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 20, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey we traded Navarro for Mark Hendrickson.
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
oh crap forgot
that was the year of the tampa trades…where we took all their trash! hendrickson, baez, lugo..
jesus christ.
are you talking trades?
or just deals? Seems he’s had more success with trades than FA signings.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I still say the Lilly trade was a bad trade. At the time, I viewed the Dodgers as out of it so Lilly is inconsequential. They won’t offer arbitration, so it’s a rental when playing out the string. It then became a swap of Theriot for DeWitt, which I didn’t like at all.
At the time, I could see not “selling”, but “buying” was stupid.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Disagree
when looking at a trade you have to look at value exchanged
Colletti got a Type A pitcher and a cheap, mediocre 2nd baseman for 2 fringe pitching prospects and a cheaper, mediocre 2nd baseman
the type A only applies
if the Dodgers plan on offering arb.
i’ll cross my fingers that they will but who knows.
Well, if the Dodgers were able to trade Chris Withrow for Cliff Lee right now would it be a good trade?
Considering that Lilly will come and go with no impact, all you are left with is the exchange of Theriot for DeWitt.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, if the Dodgers were able to trade Chris Withrow for Cliff Lee right now would it be a good trade?
Yes, because of the GUARANTEED draft picks.
by silverwidow on Aug 20, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
It would really be HARD
to sign more than 2 first round picks. IMO
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Really, you’d trade Chris Withrow for 2 draft picks?
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Even so, I’d still roll the dice on Withrow. He’s too young to scrap altogether.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, because there’s a chance we could get Trevor Bauer, who has starter worthy stuff.
Withrow might end up a reliever.
by silverwidow on Aug 20, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
How big of a chance?
I think he could fall for us at No. 15, but he has great stuff and it would be hard for teams to pass on him.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Bauer might end up a reliever. Five months ago, you were talking how the Dodgers would wait to call Withrow up until June this year, to avoid Super Two status.
Bauer carries just as much risk, if not more, than Withrow, with none of the professional experience.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Five months ago, this site rated Withrow the #1 prospect in the system. It’s easy to second guess when you have hindsight to do so.
I love Bauer’s array of pitches. As for the experience factor, playing in a big time program and in the College World Series can’t hurt.
by silverwidow on Aug 20, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s also easy to second guess ridiculous things as they are being said, which I did at the time.
You only like Bauer now because he is new and shiny.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s also easy to second guess ridiculous things as they are being said, which I did at the time.
Fair enough. I said you were right about Withrow a hell of a long time ago.
You only like Bauer now because he is new and shiny.
Wrong.
by silverwidow on Aug 20, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
People would talk more about Doyle Alexander if the Tigers had beaten the Twins.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Aug 20, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
So are you saying
People would talk more about Octavio Dotel if the Dodgers had a chance in hell of winning the World Series?
Other way around
People are ONLY talking about Dotel because the Dodgers don’t stand a chance.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Aug 20, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Looks like we drafted a few
left handed hitting outfielders.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
indeed we did!
landry, baldwin (or is he switch), pederson and schebler! cool stuff.
So stoked for Lee. Especially after watching that dodgers war room video!
that was pretty cool
Logan White was stoked that Lee fell to them. Wonder if he saw Gammons practically spitting with rage after they drafted him.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I like to think
he was thinking, “Suck it Gammons” as Lee inked his name.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Has Gammons said anything about their signing Lee
or is he like John Clayton and will never admit he was wrong about anything…?
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maybe
the Dodgers scooped him from the Red Sox.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah so I've heard. I missed that. Was just wondering
if he’s followed up with an apology for being an idiot. No, I’m guessing not.
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He basically said the Dodgers are poor and can’t sign him right after we picked Lee.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
So who would like to be designated
“Ask Peter Gammons if he still feels Dodgers punted the Zach Lee pick” question on Twitter?
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Well for one we're not national TV media
and for 2 even those who were wrong didn’t get redfaced and have spittle coming out of their mouths about it. Well maybe you did, I didn’t see it. ;-)
And I personally believe I was on record as saying I was willing to take Logan White’s word for it that they did not punt that pick, that they were going to at least try sign him.
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The video
was a testament to the fact the Dodgers really had zeroed in on him. I was surprised they were not talking numbers when they picked him. I would think $ numbers would have been flying fast and furious but given they knew MLB was filming it makes sense they kept that discussion to a minimum.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
when Logan
kept saying “thank you” to Mccourt..I think that really shows that Frank gave the go ahead on doing this, knowing it would cost a pretty penny for him.
are they're any
good catchers in next year’s draft?
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
you mean
are there any good positional prospects that the dodgers can move to catcher in next year’s draft? :)
interesting article
one guy talking about Manny to the Rangers.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions
LOL!!!
What would the Dodgers expect in return?
A lot. Considering Ramirez will be a Type A free agent who will probably get at least a two-year deal somewhere if he decides to play next season, the Dodgers would likely offer him arbitration (unless the risk of him accepting the offer is one the club is simply unwilling to take) and recoup a supplemental first-round pick plus either a first- or second-round pick if he were to sign elsewhere. They’ll expect a trade offer that beats the promise of two first-round picks, and won’t trade him if they can’t get it.
Would you trade Engel Beltre and Robbie Erlin for Ramirez? What about Tanner Scheppers and Miguel Velazquez? It might take more, but if it didn’t, would that deal make you squirm — even knowing you’d be the team to get the two 2011 compensatory picks back if you didn’t re-sign Ramirez yourself?
GIVE ME SCHEPPER AND YOU CAN TAKE MANNY.
Dodgers CAN’T offer arbitration. And they wouldn’t anyway.
by silverwidow on Aug 20, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
reliever
throws near 100 with a great curve
by matthewmafa on Aug 20, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Newburg
is considered a good writer so I was surprised he didn’t know about the fact we can’t offer Manny arb or that even if we could we wouldn’t. He seems to be greatly over valuing Manny. I’d be happy to simply get something as irrelevant as Max Ramirez back. I never considered the Rangers because of Vlady.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 20, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Is the fact that LAD can’t offer documented? I thought that sort of a thing was more of a hand-shake agreement, like with possibly Hudson last year.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it is
I can’t remember seeing it anywhere
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
question
if they can offer arbitration..is it based off his just 2010 salary or the whole thing with the deffered payment?
cause the potential of Manny accepting and coming back for say 7 mill, is vastly different then 20 mil.
It's the whole thing
but the 20% cut rule only applies to pre-FA arb contracts.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
So the Dodgers can tender Sherrill at 3.6MM? I hope they don’t consider that.
by silverwidow on Aug 20, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
How else does Boras and Manny make sure it doesn’t happen. Its not as if it can’t be written in the contract.
No, I’m saying there is no agreement at all, to not offer arbitration.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
or, if there is, I have seen no proof of it
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh,
I thought you mentioned the other day there was and then you followed that by saying we never would. I guess I misread or misremembered it.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Great FanPost Read
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/8/19/1632351/matt-kemp-same-player-as-he-was
Lot of effort by NoFatMike.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
When Braves’ Derrek Lee showed up at Wrigley today, went to Cubs player lot to park & attendant told him he couldn’t part there anymore. It was a practical joke. The guy kept a straight face until Lee said, “Damn. Just tell him [the guy’s boss] I’m parking here.”
Derrek Lee bats cleanup against his former team today at Wrigley.
#mlb #Dodgers The assumption is that Don Mattingly is heir apparent to replace Joe Torre,but AAA manager Tim Wallach is looming as favorite about 13 hours ago via web Retweeted by 4 people
BNightengale
Bob Nightengale
And we traded his other son :-( But anyway I am hopeful
that Nightengale is right. At this point he’s my top pick. Will be a very interesting off season…
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Great stuff Brandon
really good overview of these guys and has me excited again. I really think this is the Dodgers’ best draft in past 4-5 years. Potentially, that is, of course. I really am liking Lemmerman too and curious to see how Kirkland develops. All in all it feels like a weakened system suddenly got better again.
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Right now I'm very partial to the 2008 draft
http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=LAD&year_ID=2008&draft_type=junreg&
1st Martin
2nd – Lindblom ML relief pitcher
3 – Gordon – ML SS
4 – Russell – best power in system, big gamble still might pay off
6 – Delmonico – still could be our future catcher
7 – Cole St. Clair – ML Relief pitcher
11 – Nate Eovaldi – Big arm, plenty of upside
18 – Allen Webster – might be the best pitcher in the system
25 – Jerry Sands – might be the best hitter in the system
31 – Matt Magill – up and coming
I’ve never seen so many late picks with as much upside potential as Eovaldi/Webster/ Sands/MaGill. While I have my reservations abouts Gordon he still shot up the prospect rankings like a number one pick. Martin has been awful but as Nate says he still has the arm, youth, and potential to live up to his number on pick.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It will be very interesting to see how BA ranks Sands before next season
It seems clear he is the best hitter in our system right now, but I bet BA will dog him because he was such a late pick.
I like the bottom of that draft, or those rankings more than the top right now
Guys I loved at the time, like Lindblom and even Russell, are worrying or disappointing me. And Gordon is overrated but obviously still has high ceiling. Anyway, that could indeed still end up being a choice draft, still plenty of time before it’s fairly evaluated. (While this draft is of course way too early to really rationally and fairly evaluate.) Just going on a hunch. But it does also show you that often the real gems of a draft come in the later rounds…
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But it does also show you that often the real gems of a draft come in the later rounds…
That is why I voted Logan White for President.
Then you'd be ignoring
how crappy he did in the 2006/2007 drafts other then Kershaw who landed in his lap.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
But the 2004/2005 draft/signees is a stronger class that we previously believed as well. Its not Logan White’s fault that draft became for the most part trade fodder.
DeWitt was the best player out of that draft if you don’t count David Price. Right now it looks like that or 2007 was White’s worst draft.
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
International FA, I wouldn’t count it.
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
2007 wasn't all that bad
Withrow & Lambo are legit talent that haven’t put it all together
Watt is having a comparable year to our Loons SPs albeit for a different club
Gallagher showed some early promise that he could still live up to
Justin Miller has a decent shot at being a MLB RP
Danny Danielson dominated AZL last year and was a darkhorse prospect before he ‘retired’
Jamie Pedroza’s been good in AA all year, so you can’t count him out
Matt Wallach is super fringy,but he’s always had a little pop in his bat and done really well in AA in a SSS
But
good chance that only the number one pick makes it. I stand by my comment this came from that those high round picks in the 2008 draft turning into something is rare. The majority of major league talent comes from the first few rounds of the draft. The nuggets are cool but rare.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Not disagreeing with that
Everyone I mentioned bar Matt Wallach was taken in the first 9 rounds.
I should've just phrased it as
“there are often gems that come from the late rounds” - not to make it sound like most of the best players come from the late rounds which was definitely not my intention. The other is harder to argue with ;)
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(stupid strikethru accidents)
..not to make it sound like most of the best players come from the late rounds which was definitely not my intention. The other is harder to argue with ;)
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Not often
this is unusual which is what makes it so cool. There is a reason why Kershaw is the only player in the major leagues from our 2006 draft and why Withrow might be the only major leaguer from the 2007 draft.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
He pitches very fast
not sure how fast he throws
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Noel Cuevas
his scouting report at draft time is almost the same as jonathon garcias scouting report.!!!
only difference is the arm… they both were batting practice players with raw power
OT: I am eating 5 guys for the first time right now
Fries are really good.
the Burger < In n Out
I had to look at that header twice before I figured out what you meant
;-) Eep!
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by underdog on Aug 20, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
OT: I am eating 5 guys for the first time right now
Not exactly what BFDC wants to be remembered for:)
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm so glad I'm not the only one
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
OT: Worst "chick flick"
OK, after reading Simmon’s story AND even watching it yesterday, the movie “He’s just not that into you” has got be the worst movie to watch with your girlfriend/wife.
Really
I could watch the star of that anytime.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
She’s like a younger, more beautiful Julia Roberts
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of Julia
but love Anne Hathaway. Plus she is totally clueless about making life choices so I’ve got a shot.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
She’s got the most jacked legs I’ve seen on a female star.
Her opening scene in Valentines Day is just her leg and Topher Grace and my first thought was “welp, looks like Topher’s gay in this movie”.
Not saying that this knocks her down any pegs though.
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
That movie was bad. Except for one or two of the stories in the movie I thought were good, but overall… bad.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Eh, I thought it was what I thought it was going to be. A totally predictable romantic comedy with a good cast.
It’s like complaining about The Expendables.
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Never watched it, but let me guess
A lot of good action scenes. Bad plot/acting. No one dies?
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Statham lost me after I watched the Transporter.
The scene where he flips the gun off the table, beats up three guys in the process while the gun is still in the air, and catches the gun behind his back to shoot down a guy was just too much.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I see you’ve never played Shooty Punchy before
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
You call that a knoife? This is a knoife
That’s a spoon…
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
Gonna Have To Agree To Disagree
That totally sold me on him.
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Crank was the stupidest movie I have ever seen, but it was so funny it made me want to see Crank 2, but I never did.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Underrated Statham:
The Bank Job.
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For some reason I read that as “The Italian Job,” which I loved.
I have not seen The Bank Job, but I should this offseason.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I read hat as well, too.
And that movie, The Italian Job, was awesome
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
You should
it’s a really solid heist flick
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Yeah speaking of terrible, Valentine's Day
Had an appealing cast but was so badly written and lazy. Made me angry. Glad it was a screener DVD that I could turn off.
I want to go farther back than you guys for “great chick flick” — Tracy and Hepburn! Bogie and Bacall! Grant and Russell!
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I dont' 'consider those chick flicks
and they would kick ass over most of todays “dialogue” movies.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't see that movie BTW
but probably should since both young female leads are quite fetching.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
It wasn’t good, but it wasn’t “worst chick flick of all time” bad
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
She was gorgeous in Get Smart
Absolutely beautiful.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
I actually kind of liked that, watched it with my g/f
At least there were good performances in it and some relatable things (though for me the fashion stuff made me feel like an alien)
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Havoc is worth watching if you like her.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
she's very sexual in it.
I think Hathaway is gorgeous…lol all her movies that are available streaming are in my queue on netflx.
Too many candidates over the past few years
Sex and the City 2? Didn’t see it but heard it was torture. Or that one with Aniston and Gerard Butler, saw some clips from it last year and wanted to claw my eyes out.
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Yea
any Sex and the City, my payback for her sitting through Dodger baseball.
And any Entertainment Tonight crap. That is the shit I hate.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t hate the show, but the movie was dreadful. My wife disagreed so I didn’t get dragged to the 2nd one.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I watched the show with
my wife. I agree that the show was okay to good.
The 1st movie was horrible, haven’t been forced into the second one.
I never laughed once watching it
Though it obviously wasn’t aimed at my demographic
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Hilarity ensues

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never saw the movie
but damn she looks hot right there.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Watching the scenes I saw you'd be pretty quickly turned off
from all that hotness.
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probably
had no desire to see it. just commenting on the pic
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of her though I've actually heard some good things about
The Switch, with Jason Bateman, which is opening. Better than her other recent ones at least.
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I am now obsessed with this show. I wish I had watched when it was brand new, after season 1 Maebe became seriously cute.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
Ha
I watched the whole thing last year in about two weeks. We couldn’t understand why we didn’t get into it when it was on.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Portia De Rossi is amazing in all scenes of that show.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a big Jason Bateman fan
I’ve watched all 3 seasons of Arrested Development in the last 2 weeks, and I started over with season one and will go through again because it was so great.
I was debating watching The Switch online just to see if it’s any good.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
There's a new comedy coming out on Fox soon
With Kerri Russell and Gob.. er, I mean Will Arnett. It’s creator is Hurwitz (like AD) so I hope it succeeds.
Tobias is going to be in it too
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
New In Town
I got into a fight with the ex a long time ago when she wanted to watch that and I didn’t. It ended up being abysmal.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
Definitely seen worse than “He’s just not that into you.”
The notebook was definitely worse. I wanted to kill myself.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Kudos to my wife on that one
we watched the first 20 minutes at home, she turned it off.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's be Proactive
What are some great (non-porn) movies to get you and your other in the mood?
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 20, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
You mean Shooter?
Or is there a movie actually called Sniper.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
Tom Berenger
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
before his time
before mine too, i’ve never seen it.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Before mine
I just keep seeing it on Netflix
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
don't hate
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
might as well tell him
don’t breath
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha - Rec'd
though I do agree with him on his point
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Liked Rent
but the I like scantily clad dancing females probably more then most here.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
You almost have to ask the "best chick flick ever"
Because most likely, we’re going to hate almost the entire genre.
I’ll go with 10 Things I Hate About You which might be in the teenie bopper category anyway.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
When Harry Met Sally(if it counts)?
Love Actually?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Good choice on When Harry Met Sally.
I’d count it.
I fell asleep during Love Actually.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I love When Harry Met Sally
and I’m just not sure its chick flick enough to be in this convo.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
If we’re counting Wedding Singer (and we should) I’d say WHMS counts.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought the Wedding Singer was only in the convo
to prove that Barrymore hasn’t ruined every movie she was in.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I’d say Wedding singer counts. Girl choose true love with the artist over the rich scumbag.
If Adam Sandler wasn’t the lead, it woudl be a no-doubter.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats true
its a hybrid. I have always looked at it as simply an Adam Sandler movie, and you have opened my eyes.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
that's the only Sandler movie
my mom likes. well, I think she liked Spanglish too.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Bizarrely my wife
loves Adam Sandler movies, including the stupidest of the stupidest.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t mess with the Zohan?
Worth putting in my netflix queue?
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
15 funny minutes
Total. So if that sounds worth it… (I definitely laughed a few times but…)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I would go with a lot of movies over that
But Zohan>Funny People
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
Great movie
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
Would The Breakfast Club count as a chick flick? Or is that just a teen movie? Either way I like it.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
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Confused Teen movie
for people who will end up spending to much time on a blog later in life.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
i brought fritos with my lunch
but no pixie sticks.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I always thought it was the
“Drew Barrymore is annoying” taint.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Lets see if we can go 2 for 2
Cameron Diaz?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Loved the Mask
haven’t liked her much since then
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I loved the mask
until I tried to rewatch it recently, it really didn’t seem to hold up, didn’t get very far.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
She is in The Holiday
and it is fuckin horrible!
And it’s a chick flick.
I wanna change my pick to The Holiday!
I liked the Holliday.
But that story was built on the relationship between Winslett and the old guy. Everything else was garbage.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s Something About Mary.
Anything after, meh.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
You guys shouldn't see Knight and Day then
Her character gets increasingly annoying and stupid, she grates. Tom Cruise actually comes off much better. Her role is the kind that Goldie Hawn would’ve played like 20+ years ago. But better.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
i've heard her compared to Goldie Hawn
in a “not as good as buy same type” kind of way.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Goldie was way overrated
as is her daughter. Though her daughter is good looking.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yah, though I liked Goldie in 2 Chevy Chase
movies… especially Foul Play. And younger in Sugarland Express and Shampoo. But otherwise, yeah, meh, got more irritating as she went along. Her daughter is very… cute. That’s about it.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Almost Famous is one of my favorite movies
The part where they are singing Tiny Dancer on the bus is classic.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
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There are many great scenes in that movie.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Goldie had the airhead persona working for a while. Kinda like the one that Teri Garr used.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
by MartinGreen on Aug 20, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Yah, though Garr's a much better actress imho
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
The Sweetest Thing wasn't completely terrible
Had some funny moments.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
I like Drew
except as an Angel, and as Eric noted she was in the awesome Wedding Singer
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Heh
I thought that one wasn’t that bad. Maybe I was distracted by the eye candy.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
It made my girlfriend turn on me by the end of the movie for a few minutes.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Finally
Unsubscribed to the MLB email list. It took the “Where will the Captain throw the first pitch” email to make me do it.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 20, 2010 11:09 AM PDT reply actions
Ha!
He already made it to Dodger Stadium BTW
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it was the Saturday of the Cubs series, just before the ASB
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
heh, funny
though neither of them strike me as chick flick watchers.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Just a
FYI before everyone gets heavily invested in this thread, a new one will be springing up at 12:00 so all your comments will become historical fodder never to be seen or read again.
Hot. Looked great as a brunette in Wedding Crashers.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Mean Girls
counts as chick flick? Tween Chick Flick? I’ll watch that one any day.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Thought about. Considered it teenie bopper.
I dug it too. Lohan was at her peak.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
She has not peaked yet. Some producer is going to take a huge gamble on her in a couple years and its going to pay off.
and that producer will call Lohan from an 818 area code.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
i feel bad for these kids
I think they need to hire someone to just smack them upside the head before doing something stupid. I mean it’s not like their parents are gonna.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
In Lohan's case
I think her parents smacked her upside the head anytime she tried to do anything smart.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
by nolander on Aug 20, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mean Girls is a good movie
I first watched it because of all the hotness involved, then I actually liked it.
Lacey Chabert is soooooo hot.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
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which one was that?
the one who told weather with her boobs?
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too. She's adorbs.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Amy Adams as Amelia Earhart was awesome in NaTM2
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Oops
Tyson Gillies, one of three prospects acquired from the Phillies in the Cliff Lee trade last offseason, was arrested in Clearwater early this morning and charged with felony cocaine possession, the Pinellas County Sheriff Department confirmed. Bond was posted and he was released.
Assistant general manager, player development and scouting Chuck LaMar read a statement on the team’s behalf.
"We are aware that Tyson Gillies was arrested today on a drug possession charge arising out of out of an incident that is alleged to have occurred this past June," he said. "Because this is an open criminal case, we will not comment further at this time."
According to the St. Petersburg Times, which first reported the story, the 21-year-old outfielder was arrested at 1:10 a.m. and released at 10:52 p..m. on $2,000 bond.
I am a fan of the Cliff Lee trade hurting the Phillies over and over again.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agree with this
but shouldn’ t that read “acquired by the Phillies”?
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I was just about to post that, too
Confused me. CopyEditFail.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
So what’s the record for most felons a guy was traded for in a year?
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
We deserve better
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Not sure how the adding up the bonuses works
But should all of Lee’s bonus count towards 2010 since its spread over 5 years? If you spread it out, our spending for this year is only around $3.2 MM. Or do you always count whatever year the bonus was originally derived from?
One of the Reds writers I follow on Twitter is John Fay, and like many beat writers he will answer questions via Twitter. Today, someone asked him when the last time the Reds swept an NL West opponent on the road, and Fay said “yesterday.”
That cracked me up for some reason. But I suppose it could come off as a little Keithlawian.
just as part of the movie discussion
do we consider romantic comedies and chick flicks interchangeable. Because I can think of a few of those I’ve seen that I enjoyed, but no real “chick flicks”
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:41 AM PDT reply actions
We can evaluate it on a case by case basis.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I said we, it wasn’t meant as the royal we.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
ok
Case 1: Chasing Amy
Case 2: Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Chick flick? and did you enjoy it?
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
it's not easy
there’s a movie I haven’t watched yet, that utterly shocks people when I admit it. so I will not do so here.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
give it up
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I’ve never seen Top Gun.
Good luck topping that one.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
shit
they’re making me admit it.
You’d think an internet blog would allow you some secrecy
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think either were chick flicks, but rather comedies.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed
but I was curious what others thought. I enjoyed both of them. Russell Brand was hilarious in Sarah Marshall.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Mila Kunis is awesome. Especially in that movie.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 20, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
the best use of that line
was when she was the worm in “Something Something Something Dark Side.”
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Pet peeve of mine
Russell Brand played the same character — Aldous Snow — in both FSM and Get Him To The Greek.
Which is fine, on it’s face, but then Jonah Hill was also in both movies and played two different characters. I demand continuity in my movie crossover universes!
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed
and was that movie good? Get him to the Greek i mean.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
It delivered exactly what it promised
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
thanks for the spoiler
now I know he get’s him to the Greek.
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
SPOILER
alchohol is involved
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
GASP!!!
surely not illegal drugs though?
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Rule #1: Is Jonah Hill in it? Then it’s not a chick flick.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Worst character in that film. Useless
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
So you’re saying I shouldn’t take the GF to see Moneyball?
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Plenty of time to make out in that movie.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Case 1 is a chick flick, and it was the worst of those movies.
Case 2 was very enjoyable but not a chick flick.
by Michael White on Aug 20, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure Sarah Marshall is a "chick flick" per se but it's a good date movie
Though I enjoyed it more than my g/f did. It has that Apatow influence that I like.
Meanwhile their follow up Get Him to the Greek was most decidedly a Guy Flick, but I found it uproarious.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
to me falls under the comedy category, not even romantic comedy.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"The president is choking on my gas bladder; what an honor."
(\/) (°,,°) (\/)
Chick Flick – Any movie that you wouldn’t admit that you liked while you’re drinking on the couch with your buddies.
by regfairfield on Aug 20, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I've never sat on a couch drinking with buddies
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
When you’re naked, it’s just more comfortable on a couch.
Wait, what?
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
it's not gay
if your knees don’t touch
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
you said 12
WE THOUGHT WE HAD MORE TIME!!!!!!!!
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Man on Fire
“last wish please….”
Denzel: “Last Wish? I wish….you had….more time……”
(walks away while guy dies in explosion.)
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 20, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
That movie was way more awesome
then I had expected
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
“Death is his canvas, and he’s painting his masterpiece!”
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Phil as a doctor
OK, I’m going to give you this shot on the count of three…
One [SHOT, really hard!]
by Eric Stephen on Aug 20, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Ha
Favorite Doctor – the dude from 30 Rock, he kills me
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not leaving
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
You will when I close the comments
I have power and I’m not afraid to use them to further my own ends.
by meercatjohn on Aug 20, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions

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