Team Preview- Colorado Rockies; Last Chance Edition
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 7:07 AM PDT
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Is this it? The two teams who most figured would be battling for the NL West crown are on a bit of a roll lately and making a late season push for a playoff spot. The Rockies welcome the Dodgers to Denver winning their last 4 games and are now only 4.0 games back in the Wild Card (trailing St. Louis, Philadelphia, and San Francisco.) The Dodgers arrive in Denver having won their last 3 and are now 5.0 games back in the Wild Card. With only 32 games left on the schedule, both teams have to be looking to sweep.
66-60, 3rd place in NL West (Schedule and Results)
Scored 588 runs, Allowed 550 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 67-59
Season Series: Dodgers lead 6-3
Position Breakdown
First Base: Todd Helton is in his Age 36 season and is struggling badly. While the average at .260 isn't all that terrible, his OBP and SLG are at career lows. As such, Helton enters the series with a wOBA of only .318. Jason Giambi will get the occasional start at first base but is mostly the left handed pinch hitter. Giambi has a wOBA of .344 in 179 plate appearances.
Second Base: Clint Barmes is the starting second baseman for the Rockies. Barmes is a pretty standard soft-hitting middle infielder. Barmes has a terrible OBP of .305 leading to a wOBA of only .288 on the year. Barmes rates as a "plus" defender at second and was able to fill in at shortstop early in the season when needed.
Shortstop: Troy Tulowitzki is the Rockies star and the starting shortstop. The 25 year old has is a power bat and enters the series with a slugging percentage of just over .500 and an OBP in the upper .300's. Tulowitzki's wOBA of .391 leads all NL shortstops with at least 200 plate appearances.
Third Base: 25 year old Ian Stewart is the every day third baseman for Colorado. Stewart has posted a wOBA of .344 on the season but is rated as a below average defensive third baseman.
Catchers: Miguel Olivo remains the starting catcher for the Rockies. Olivo has earned the starting job by posting very solid offensive numbers for a catcher. Olivo enters the series with 13 homeruns and a wOBA of .342. Chris Iannetta remains the backup catcher. I've always been a fan of Ianetta (would love for the Dodgers to trade for him in the offseason) but in limited plate appearances this year Ianetta's wOBA has dropped to .318.
Outfield: Carlos Gonzalez is the 24 year old talent for Colorado who is capable of playing all 3 outfield positions. Gonzalez has been a monster at the plate posting a wOBA of .395 on the season built on a slugging of .569. Dexter Fowler is the starting CF and is less of a threat with the bat. Fowler has a wOBA of .335 on the year and UZR does not rate him as an above average fielder. Seth Smith is the starting RF and has done a pretty solid job on the year. Smith has a wOBA of .354 on the season while playing plus defense in RF. Ryan Spilborghs has gotten some spot starts at the corner outfield spots but can play all 3 positions in a pinch. Spilborghs has a wOBA of .342 in 288 plate apperances. Spilborghs is the primary right hander pinch hitter. Noted Dodger killer Brad Hawpe was released.
Starting Pitching for our Series:
Game 1: Staff Ace Ubaldo Jimenez takes the bump in Game 1 against Clayton Kershaw. Lucky for the Dodgers, Kershaw owns Jimenez this season, and I'm sure that will be in his head. Jimenez has a spectacular 17-4 record on the season with an ERA/FIP/xFIP of 2.66/ 3.13/ 3.75. Jimenez started the season 15-1 and has lost 3 of his last 5 decisions.
Game 2: Jhoulys Chacin will be starting his 15th game of the season on Saturday against hopefully well rested Chad Billingsley. Chacin is a strike out machine with a K/9 of 9.66 on the season. Chacin enters the series with a line of 3.98/ 3.60/ 3.68.
Game 3: In the finale, Jason Hammel will face off against Ted Lilly. Hammel is a vintage Colorado pitcher as he consistently has an ERA north of his xFIP. On the year Hammel has made 23 starts and has a line of 4.35/ 3.57/ 3.75.
Series Prediction:
I've been a bit bearish on this Dodgers squad since the Dodgers dropped 2 of 3 in San Diego after the all-star break. I expected the Dodgers to lose 2 out of 3 in Milwaukee however the club pulled off the incredibly rare (for the 2010 Dodgers) road sweep. Another sweep and the Dodgers are back in business. The Dodgers are sending their top pitching crew to Colorado, unfortunately Billingsley is dealing with an injury (was pulled early from his last start and pushed back a day) and Lilly can't stay fortunate with BABIP forever. And those are the two pitchers who are going against the guys not named Ubaldo.
I expect the Dodgers to lose 2 out of 3.
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So maybe he
will have 2 of em and come back and throw like 107. That is horrible news.
I bet Silverwidow calls in sick today.
And this is why guys like Zach Lee absolutely have to take the money.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow! That really sucks, especially after getting Zimmerman back from TJ. They were poised to have a pretty good front of the rotation.
Actually the Nats got Zimmermann back. They never lost Zimmerman.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 27, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I keep track. And when someone makes a mistake, I don’t forget. Ever.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 27, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
See, Dibs was right. He should have pitched through the pain
What a pussy
by Greg Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Sadly John Kruk was sort of right though wasn't he? Well, sort of.
(I’d actually heard rumors about this myself but didn’t want to comment on it til I heard. And hoped they were wrong.) But Dibble does look like even more of an a-hole now. So there’s that.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Rob Dibble out for two days
""Rob asked for some time off," Kasten said. “Perhaps he’s not feeling well. But I’m not a doctor, nor have I seen his records. So I shouldn’t say anything more about it.”"
He said something about how Strasburg should get Tommy John surgery
don’t remember the exact quote. It was just odd because it wasn’t like he knew he needed it, just said he should get it and it would help him in the future? It was not exactly on the nose and kinda strange if I recall..
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
This is beyond surgery
This is beyond baseball?
by TurnItDown on Aug 27, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
they should have a commercial
with Strasburg, Hudson, Marcum, Burnett, then Kuo
Beyond Perseverance
Beyond Baseball
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Good preview Michael
unlike Phil’s, I read yours! I’m concerned with your prediction, but I’m pretty sure I c what is going on.
:)
She’s probably just nervous about the Kershaw/Ubaldo game today.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
The correct answer is “both chins and all 4 cheeks”.
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
If you raise her right, like i’ve done w/2 of my 3 daughters, she’ll grow up to be a Dodger fan and come up to you one night (like my oldest did last night) and ask, “Dad what are you doing next Saturday?”
“No plans.”
“We should go see the Dodgers/Giants.”
Ahhhh…the joys of fatherhood!
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
tru dat
She already screams “Go Dodgers” everytime she see baseball on TV. All she wants to wear is her Razorback cheerleader outfit.
She is only 2 so she has a ways to go before she starts asking about FIP vs XFIP. I just plan to give her Michael White’s email by then.
Do you need me to send her a USC cheerleader outfit.
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Both chins and all 4 cheeks
I figured I’d answer for him
by Greg Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Reply fail
must have a slow refresh rate going on
by Greg Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
You should have made a better bet with phil and mike.
I talked mike into a dollar for every win of the streak. He does not want to predict a sweep because I will take his lunch money.
I’m always thinking short term. I’m the Bud Selig of bloggers.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Jaffe-ism
jay_jaffe
I bet Rob Dibble feels great right now
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I think if a deal happens, they will wait through the weekend.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
So today we find out if anybody was awarded the claim, and then 2 days to get a deal done?
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, the waiver period expires at 10:30am today, per Jon Heyman. Then the Dodgers have until Tuesday to make a deal.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
unless no one claims him
then they have until the 31st right?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't sleep well last night
no sleep make Tommy a dull boy
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a matter of timing
I believe they will have until the afternoon Tuesday if there is a claimant, perhaps even 10:30am. But if he his unclaimed, they will have until 9pm (midnight EDT) to do a deal.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
That sounds about right, but I don’t think this little surge we’ve had is indicative of a juggernaut awaking from a season long slumber. Hopefully Ned sees that too.
Nor do I, but it might (and probably should) give Ned pause to just dump him outright. Perhaps the little surge has given Ned more negotiating leverage over CHW.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
So they might have to take Theriot too?
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what I'm hoping as well
Ned’s not in an easy spot, but I think fans will be more forgiving of him trading Manny than they would’ve been months ago, IF he can get a good return for him. If he can’t I don’t think he trades him anyway… it’s Win Win!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I expected the Braves to pick up Hawpe
not sure how much better Hawpe is then Joyce.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Ned is actually in a decent position
he can put in place his deals and if we have a kick ass weekend 2/3 he can decide not to pull the plug. A team in the pennant race might be worth the money they would save on moving Manny.
Furcal might be back next week.
Unless the Rockies sweep us, I don’t expect Ned to be a seller anymore.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I hope that a sweep of a pretty bad Milwuakee doesn’t delude Ned into thinking we have a chance. We may play better from here on out but I don’t see us ending up more than 6-7 games over .500.
The Brewers were kind of hot
when we clocked them, and beating Gallardo with Monk going was very significant. Our pitching even without Clayton/Chad beat the best offense in the NL. On the road. I don’t consider that trivial.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The Strasburg news
strikes home just how fortunate we have been with Clayton/Billingsley. That was terrible news for the Washington Franchise. I fully expect Congress will have hearings to discuss why so many pitchers have TJ surgery, and what can be done about it.
Are any of you as shocked as I was that Albert was not the youngest to reach 400 home runs faster then anyone?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
A-Rod: 29 years, 316 days old
Griffey: 30 years, 141 days
Pujols: 30 years, 122 days
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Math kept him from reaching his potential
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I thought it was the shallow gene pool we share.
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
re: Albert: I was somewhat shocked until I saw that ARod and the Kid were ahead of him. I remember what phenoms those guys were in their days, plus how young they came into the bigs. Two thoughts that spurred:
1. What Griffey may have achieved had he not gotten hurt so many times.
2. What a great team Seattle had the potential of becoming.
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Its what tempers my excitement about seeing him go for the record(the real one not the roid one)
He could go the Griffey route, or we could find out he is chock full of roids.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Its still a long ways away
Pujols will have to average 35 HR a year until he is 40 to get close.
I was surprised about Pujols not being the youngest.
But if I heard correctly, Pujols reached the mark in the shortest amount of MLB seasons.
Only because Pujols wasn’t a September callup
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 9:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Albert started at 21 I believe, Griffey and Arod both got huge headstarts in their teens because they were phenomenal prospects, Pujols had to club his way to being a top prospect, and I don’t think he was ever higher than 25th on anyone’s lists (not completely sure on that).
That said, I’m still stoked that he is the 3rd youngest ever to do it. 600 should be a clear lock in about 5-6 more seasons, and I’d absolutely love to see him reach 700. I’m just not sure he will play that long.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Boo on ESPN for not listing Hong-Chih Kuo on their list of notable relievers who have had Tommy John surgery on SportsCenter (twice for Kuo)
Finishing up something at home this morning before work, and it was ESPN or watching Quick Pitch for the 87th time in a row.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
They listed like 5 relievers…Gagne, Dotel, Nathan, Soria, and someone else. Plus like 8-10 starters.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.joakimsoria48.com/about/
While with the Dodgers, Joakim hurt his right arm and had to have Tommy John surgery to repair it. "I thought that my career was over and that the operation would send my career backward," he says. "God knew where I was headed, and thanks to Him, my operation was very helpful."
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Those who said Hellickson would have a better career then Strasburg
look golden today.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
don't stick a fork in him yet Phil
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't need to, he'll get a sharp knife soon enough
He may bounce back, but the Nat’s just lost about 1 1/2 of service time.
i had to laugh at your first line.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric, can WAS option Strasburg to the minors in spring training next year and place him on the ML 60 day DL in order to keep down his service time?
I don’t believe they can. Even if they could, the players association would be on their ass and would likely win any grievance.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
To be honest, I don’t have much emotion about the news at all. He’ll be back in 2012, which is pretty much the timetable for a “normal” 2009 draftee.
It just reminds me of Prior, Wood, etc…. Its almost as if you’re lucky to not have to draft that #1 pitching phenom.
Except the Cubs
and even the Orioles when they drafted Ben McDonald got some good use out of them before the arms exploded.
True
Which makes this even worse. Plus Strasburg got more hype than those guys or any other pitcher who ever picked up a ball.
Like I said, you’re lucky not to have to draft the phenom.
Twins really look like geniuses for drafting Mauer instead of Prior now.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
well
i just heard they were criticized for taking Mauer when Prior looked like such a sure thing.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
They were absolutely criticized for passing on Prior. Not by everyone, but there was a very vocal opposition to the pick.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
They were treated like Matt Kemp by the L.A. Times
by Greg Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
was is at bad as Gammons
when the Dodgers took Zach Lee this year?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Except for David Price, Josh Beckett, Mark Mulder, Justin Verlander…
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Kershaw>>>Strasburg :D
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
EY Jr. has been starting at 2B recently for the Rockies
and will continue to do so all series this weekend.
Barmes is on the bereavement list, and Corpas to the DL.
Relievers Samuel Deduno and Franklin Morales will be called up before tonight’s game.
Over the last 24 games
Both Chris Iannetta and Miguel Olivo have started 12 games each, with neither catcher starting more than twice in a row.
Just under ninety minutes now...
…until we find out who claimed Blake and Pods.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 9:08 AM PDT reply actions
Nobody will claim Blake.
If Pods was claimed, he’ll just be pulled back.
I think Manny was claimed by a surprise team.
I believe LBB wrote what some people like to call a joke.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Blake could be too
Braves might not wanna trust Glaus over there. Not likely I know
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
If they claim Blake the Dodgers will just let him go. At least they should use the oppurtunity to get out of his contract.
Of course, they traded away 5 potential 3rd base replacements since 2008.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d move Blake in a heartbeat to anyone who would take his contract. Pods too, for that matter. But I don’t see it happening.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
In my mind, the Nationals fucked this up big time. Stras should have been shut down for the entire season after his little shoulder injury. Of course nobody knows whether he would have still needed the surgery or still gotten hurt, but there was just zero reason to bring him back, no matter how minor the injury was. With a guy like that who throws that hard and puts so much stress on his arm, even the possibility of his coming back before he was 100% would have scared the crap out of me, and it’s entirely possible that the shoulder injury could have helped lead to the ucl tear.
I don’t see how everything you said there leads you to the conclusion that the Nats fucked it up.
That is, unless you know for sure that he wasn’t 100% when he returned from the shoulder injury which seems highly unlikely based on how much they’ve been babying the kid.
I guess my theory is you know never when someone is 100% coming back from a shoulder or elbow problem, and erring on the side of caution would have been a ton more prudent. Even if they are 100% physically, there is still the mental aspect that could do damage in terms of delivery, changing mechanics, etc. I just didnt see a reason to bring him back this season, even after suffering a minor injury.
by UCLADodger32 on Aug 27, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
When I logged in this morning, there were 55 comments, 55 new. I work for a bit, now there are 55 more new comments. It’s a sign, this season is ending like ’55.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
I doubt we can get 13.5 games ahead of the pack. But we would have to ruin the Braves, Giants, and Phillies’ shit, which seems accurate.
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
More meant how the season will end, not the regular season, but hey, buzz officially supressed.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
I think it’s George, or Great
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Geoffrey. Like Chaucer, but I go by Jenkins.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
oh I like Jenkins
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
LEEEEE... never mind
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
lol
at least i have chicken
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting read by Tom Tango over at “The Book” blog, about Andres Torres, arbitration, and the CBA.
Also a reference to Carlos F. Ruiz.
Not clicking on principle
fuck carlos ruiz
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
by G.Scott on Aug 27, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I’m confused as to how he was a free agent before, and not any more.
I guess I thought that if you were non-tendered it was like the team surrendering their rights.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Minor league free agent after seven years in the minors.
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Old team surrendered their rights to Torres but he’s still bound until he gets 6 years. That’s the bitch of it.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 9:55 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What would you offer a 32 year old coming off a 4+ win season? At least a deal worth 8 or 9 million, way more than he’d make in first year arb.
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if he'll be seen as that though.
He might be seen as a player with a fluke season who won’t get lucky again. Torres is more Scotty Pods than Adam Dunn.
Isn't he more Granderson
I hope he gets a nice payday.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Podsednik’s actually a decent comparison for the situation. He was toast from ages 30-32 and came back with a .304/.353/.412 season to get a two million dollar deal.
Torres has hit way better and played way better defense. That tells me he’d at least get a pretty good one year deal.
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
and now Rosenthal says
Manny is NOT asking for an extension. (twitter link, can’t post)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 9:51 AM PDT reply actions
Not exactly shocked that Manny dropped that demand.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt
he ever actually made it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure Boras threw it out there to see if that position was realistic (that’s obviously who gives Rosenthal this stuff.) The demand would have never been formally made, at least not yet, because they haven’t even awarded the waiver claim at this point.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Who's a dirtier owner?
Frank McCourt, or Jeffery Loria?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 9:59 AM PDT reply actions
What’s the cliffsnotes version of what Loria did?
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
kept revenue sharing funds, lied about the marlins profits to get the public to pay more of the cost of the new stadium.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
what he said
though I think it’s all the cost. I don’t think Loria is paying for any of that new stadium.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
The second part of your sentence sounds dirty (why wouldn’t the city ask to see financial statements?) but I’m still puzzled at the outrage regarding keeping the revenue sharing funds.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
You notice no other owners were bitching about him keeping revenue sharing funds. It was mostly fans who were upset that he wasn’t putting it into the team.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
I don’t know if there was a specific team it was in reference to, but Steinbrenner and smart son frequently brought up how frustrating it was to send money to teams that weren’t investing in baseball related things.
apparently the city did ask
but the Marlins refused to show them.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
What did the city ask nicely? I mean, if you are goign to hand somebody a suitcase full of money, I wouldn’t exactly take “no” for an answer.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I think I saw that the Marlins are paying something like $155mil out of $540mil for the new stadium and that after interest and such the taxpayers will pay something like $2.4Billion by 2028.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
no kidding
also, I guess, like McCourt, he’s been getting money to him through shady means.
setting up dummy companys to pay “consulting fees” too.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Again, management fees are failry standard.
The only part I find slimy is that it was hidden for the intention to mislead the city into picking up more money for a stadium. But the city is completely stupid for signing any checks without doing thorough due diligence.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Irwindale
But the city is completely stupid for signing any checks without doing thorough due diligence.
No comparison really
McCourt was paying his bills with team money, but that’s far less a sin that what that rat Loria did to Montreal and is now doing to Miami. He’s the lowest of the low.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
By the way, in going through those financial statements that Deadspin posted, I noticed that the superteam that could do no wrong down in Anaheim did something in 2008 that Frank would have been killed for. The club made a few million dollars yet paid a dividend to the owners for $20MM. I don’t have a problem with them doing that at all, just somewhat surprised that nobody gave a shit about that.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Plaschke loves Moreno
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
But what does that matter, at least to anybody other then the debtholders?
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
It does if you're trying to curcumiventing it any possible way you can.
Moreno paid with cash to buy the Angels, McCourt with highly leveraged loans. Can you and I just ignore the terms of a loan if we wanted to like the McCourts apprently could?
It’s not ignoring if the lender is too stupid to restrict the amount of rent being payed from the opco to the realco.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably because
of the level of the payroll. Has anyone complained about the Angel payroll level?
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
this
Come on, they have spent money on that team. With the Dodgers McCourt is seen as having cheaped out on the team salary this year. Its all about context.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Angels also been seen trading for players making immediate impact.
Mark Teixerira, and Dan Haren makes me jealous.
I don’t disagree that’s it all about context perception
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
they've only been fans
for 8 years.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re right. But Angel fans are just like an annoying little brother who tries to do anything to get out of the great shadow of their older brother.
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
BTW…did u get my email about TP and Phoenix Club Octoberfest?
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m in. I just need to figure out the dates.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
heh
Angels: Look guys, I’m Los Angeles now too!!!
Dodgers: Always gotta copy me, don’t ya squirt?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
FTFY
Angels FO: Look guys, I’m Los Angeles now too!!!
Dodgers: Always gotta copy me, don’t ya squirt?
Angels Fans: WTF? We are in Anaheim this shit is reta… stupid.
Seriously, Angel fans hate the LA thing as much as anyone in LA
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
true
most Angel fan comments i see hate the name and being associated with LA.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Like win a World Series
how fucking irritating can that be to a big brother. And they did it by beating their big brothers main rival.
So would that be like scoring on the hot chick the older brother has had always had his eye on, and when he scored she had been dating the HS QB, who happened to be the older brothers main rival through high school?
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Just a quick question
the Angel fans won a world series? Cause, cause silly me I thought it was the players. And that’s, that’s what was being made fun of right, that so many Angel fans have no idea there was ever blue in the Angels color scheme cause they only hopped on board after, after the World Series win
See, see how I did that, separated the Angel team from the Angel fans
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
tell that to Angel fans
they still say, “At least WE won a title in the last decade” notice the we.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
But that's like
when you get in a car accident and you say “he hit me” even though he hit your car. I just don’t support the claim that Angel fans outdid Dodger fans by winning something
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
choir
preaching too
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Dodger fans making fun of Angel fans
is as pathetic as any East Coast team making fun of Dodger fans. Angel fans have been here for just about as long, have endured many many terrible years, many tragedies, and now have a solid franchise to root for year in and year out.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t making fun of Angel fans just standard neighborhood rivalry stuff?
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I can understand not having a problem with olde time Angel fan, but have to see the real problem and assholieness of the new era Angel fan.
There are no old time Angel fans.
Kelly and I used to go there in the late 70’s early 80’s and we could walk down to field level and sit in any (and I mean ANY) seat in the house
by Greg Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
My next door neighbor boy
was an Angels fan in an Angels family, just to use an N 1 type argument
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
My Dad says
“Go fuck yourself”
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
This
I’ll go have a beer with a CA cap wearing Angels fan, I just get rubbed the wrong way by the new wave Angel fan. It has nothing to do with the team, which is solid, stop conflating the two.
I’ll have a drink with a Giants fan, lots of nice ones out there. Don’t mean I think their team is worth spit
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I do hate many of the people I see at Angel stadium
one of my most frustrating memories was a really good, tied game between the Angels White Sox a few years ago, the seventh inning comes up, and everyone starts leaving the stadium! I was so pissed.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
and they talk shit on us
for that
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
you must be taking crazy pills
cause Dodger Stadium is the only place in the world where that happens
/tongue → cheek
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah because you 25 year olds
are so “old style” Dodger fans. I’m sure your just as irritating to any new style Angel fan who has only grown up knowing his team year in and year is going to be in a pennant race.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
As a near-24 year old, Agreed. It’s how I treat new Yankees fans who didn’t have to suffer through people talking shit about their team in the 70s. (They sucked in the 70’s, right?)
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
As a 26 year old, I’ve suffered through (basically) not winning a playoff series until 2008.
Don’t remember 88.
Damn, I wish the Dodgers would have won the Series one of the last two years.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
as did I. I only wish I knew the O’Malley years better so I could have some context. I hear he was loved for moving the team out here but was generally just as money-grubbing as every other rich guy.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
I can’t wait for you to come out of the closet at the next TBLA event and show us your red shirt under the Fernando Jersey.
I've never shied from my Angel Fanhood.
I could just as easily blog about them. I’m quite sure there are many assholes who happen to be Angel fans, just as I’m positive their are many Dodgers fans who are also assholes. To not like a team because of the fan behavior has always struck me as bizarre.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I like to think I'm an Angel well wisher
in that I don’t wish they any specific harm
/Moe
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec josie
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
man, just take your ball and go home already. Like 25 year old can’t read books
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
damn, that’s a bad type to make a typo
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Evidently only Dodger Blue 25 year olds can read books in your eye
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
651 results for LA Dodgers in amazon books
55 for the LA Angels of Anaheim
including Angels Essential: Everything you need to be a real fan!
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
That's weird
my g/f has that book on her night stand. I’m afraid of it. At least she hates the Twilight books.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I can’t really say anything bad about the Angels any more because the Dodgers co-opted every annoying aspect of Angel Stadium.
Oh wait, world record Snuggie wearing attempt. I hope to God we don’t try to steal that.
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
i honestly think
we did something stupider with that screaming thing.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
the horror
the horror!
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I call just a little bullshit
That fanbase was nothing near the Dodger fanbase before 2002. I’m not convinced half the people in Orange County even knew they had a baseball team until they were playing the Yankees in the playoffs. The Dodger fanbase, regardless of how the team is performing, has always been one of the largest in baseball.
The fact that they have that huge fanbase
has nothing to do with them being really good in the past of course.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I’d argue its irrelevant altogether. The Dodgers have a big fanbase because they are located in a metro area with 10 million people. What is the point?
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I would agree with you on that
I just thought it was silly to throw out the Dodgers fanbase as being huge as some sort of convincing argument. You know, because of context…
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
You're right
It was a weak response that was caused by immediate need to bash Angel fans. I, like many others here, was raised a Dodger fan, will probably always be a Dodger fan, and will try to raise my kid as a Dodger fan. There are no Angel fans born before 2002 that can claim the same thing.
And to answer your future qustion: Yes, I do have some serious issues with the Angels – The Fucking Angels – having been to and won a World Series more recently than the Dodgers. Its something me and my therapist are working very hard to overcome.
There are no Angel fans born before 2002 that can claim the same thing.
Hyperbole much?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
More clarity needed?
This is not a subject on which I am rational. The worst part is that I realize this and can not help but comment every time this subject comes up.
I miss the blue
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
2002 was more like little brother helping out big brother
Like Eli beating the Pats in the Superbowl. Big brother Peyton is happy for lil bro Eli, since he kept the rival Pats from winning the superbowl, he just better not forget who used to give who the wedgies growing up.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
Cliff Lee
Fangraphs has his WAR at 6.0 for the season so far based on his FIP which is at 2.60
B-Ref has his WAR at 4.0 for the season (and 1.0 for the Rangers) because it bases WAR on replacement ERA, and defense.
About the Phillies series
is the Monday matchup Halladay vs. Kuroda?
I’m going to this one.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:13 AM PDT reply actions
Washington Nationals' Prez Stan Kasten
Was asked if Strasburg’s mechanics were to blame, he said “We don’t have any reason to believe that.”
Poor Kasten is still probably high from all the MJ he smoked this morning..
If we can beat the Rockies 2 / 3
then have our lineup next week of
Furcal
Carroll
Andre
Manny
Kemp
Loney
Blake
Barajas
Kershaw/Chad/Kuroda/Lilly/Padilla
Kuo/Broxton/Dotel/Jansen/Sherrill/Belisario
Pods/Theriot/Gibbons/Ausmus/Belliard/Johnson
Callups:
Trayvon, DeJesus, Link, Leach
You’d have to feel kind of good about the team. Best bench we’d have had in ages, excellent rotation, excellent bullpen.
Make Sept Count
cool beans
but I think you’d have to switch Theriot to the lineup and Carroll to the bench. That’s just the way I see Joe doing it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Is there a timetable yet for Padilla. Haven’t heard much about him.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
they had something on the Dodger site about him
I guess he was doing long toss in MIL and they thought he looked good. could be going on a rehab assignment soon.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Right. All the seasons are about to end.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
he gave up 6 runs yesterday
maybe for the fifth starter role, but he’s not a guy to trust in the postseason
(wink wink sarcasm tongueincheek speaking out the side of my mouth, calm down people it’s a joke)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Manny could be traded after Sept 1
If Manny is not claimed by any team and the Dodgers decide to wait on a decision on Manny until after the Giant series, after Sept1, Manny could still be traded. He would not be immediately available for post season by the Sox, Rays or Rangers, but still could get into the playoff roster if there is an injury to one of the position players.
yes
an “injury”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn't he just not be available for playoffs?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Yes
but that’s an ultimate “why trade for him just for the regular season?”
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
And so it begins
“Hearing that Manny Ramirez has been claimed on waivers – now question is which team?’
Marc Toplin, St. Pete Times
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 10:21 AM PDT reply actions
They have grabbed every other outfielder
so why not.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you serious? Because I could see that. They know the Dodgers won’t just let him walk to SF and they would have blocked every AL club who might give the Dodgers something back for Manny.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Ask yourself, has Tripon made a serious post recently?
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t think he was serious, but like I said, i could see it.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
But
would the Dodgers say “screw you, enjoy the $4mil”.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
No chance. To an AL team, perhaps, but not to the SF Giants.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Morosi says same
Manny Ramirez has been claimed on waivers, source says. Not sure yet on team.
It will be a surprise team as mentioned earlier.
by silverwidow on Aug 27, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines of NL.
by silverwidow on Aug 27, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Whichever team it is, I am DEMANDING a 3B prospect.
by silverwidow on Aug 27, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
Which is why we should get Brent Morel from the CWS!
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Teahan myself
and if the White Sox liked Teahan he’d be playing 3rd base not Vizquel.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
More like whatever 27 year old journeyman is playing 3B for their AA club.
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Braves for sure, doubt the Phillies, maybe the Cardinals, maybe the Reds. So it would not be a surprise to me.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
If I were a NL team, I wouldn't touch him.
"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson
by Ego Crusher! on Aug 27, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
the Surprise Rafters?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
What about the A's
A’s have a lower record and need a bat, but the Giants trying to screw the Dodgers make sense.
Do you think the A's are in contention?
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Youd think the Giants would benefit
with Manny leaving LA. .. Their management must not be very bright if they claimed him
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 27, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Heyman:
word is, multiple teams actually claimed man. now who got the claim?"
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions
No chance he went to an AL team then.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s called the trading before the trade deadline.
I think this waiver thing is all kind of bogus anyway.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I would be fine to getting rid of it as well.
But the current rules are just arcane and serve little purpose.
The original intent was to not allow the best team at the time to accumulate talent, and to give other teams behind them first crack at getting available players. In theory, at least.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Almost all the rules about trading were designed to preclude the Yankees from getting all the good players. There wasn’t a trading deadline until 1923 after the Yankees made some deals in July to get players that helped them win the World Series.
The AL also tried a rule once where it was prohibited from anyone in the league trading with the previous year’s champ. That was started in 1939. And then the Tigers won in 1940. So that rule got dumped.
The Yankees throughout the 1940s, 1950s, and early 1960s, were known for picking up veterans to fill in on their rosters for stretch drives. That’s just the way things were and pretty much how they still are.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 27, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
I’d have a hard trading deadline.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
they should get rid of the waiver rule
have the deadline be Aug 31. Teams know pretty much where they are by that point.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy Crap
Yovani Gallardo was robbed at gunpoint early Friday morning in Milwaukee.
He was with one of the team’s clubhouse attendants, Alex Sanchez, who was struck in the head with the butt of the robber’s gun. Gallardo was unhurt. “We are aware of it, but we do not have any other details other than Yovani and Alex do not care to discuss it further,” said Tyler Barnes, the Brewers vice president of communications. This scary situation won’t change Gallardo’s playing status.
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 27, 2010 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
wow
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
He probably got mugged for talking about boycottng the ASG, haha
"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson
by Ego Crusher! on Aug 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I've said before but if was interested in that business
I’d totally target athletes and celeb’s. They have a need to show off their wealth, so cash and jewels are needed wherever they go.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
which is why
a lot of them carry guns on their person.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
The only time I've heard of an athlete using a gun
in a non-hunting situation is when they shoot themselves or someone else on accident.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
of course
but that’s not what they carry them for.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
There isn’t much else to report otherwise. It’s not exactly news when somebody’s gun doesn’t accidentaly discharge.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Giants. Yomiuri Giants…need to catch the Hanshin Tigers.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Hiroshima Carp
gonna rejoin Eric Stults
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Imagine the balloon launch if Manny arrived.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
he won't be climbing the wall
that’s for sure
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Orix is called the Buffaloes now after a merger with Kintetsu. The Blue Wave played in Kobe and the Buffaloes played in Osaka. The team in Sendai (the Rakuten Eagles) replaced them.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Rosenthal showing his deep baseball knowledge
" #Dodgers 5 back in WC race; might have prompted claim, or claims. Teams daring Ned Colletti to give up Manny while in race. #WhiteSox #MLB "
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 10:37 AM PDT reply actions
So, assuming the impossible happens and we make the playoffs, what is your rotation?
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
Kershaw, Bills, then whomever is pitching best at the time.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
mine (assuming they are all healthy and pitching well)
Kershaw
Billz
Lilly
Kuroda
(Padilla in the pen)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
You guys kill me
by Oct there may be no arms standing.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Leinart...haha
A bitter Matt Leinart lashed out Friday, complaining about a lack of opportunity after being benched for Derek Anderson.
“It is disappointing and a little bit frustrating. I can’t sit up here and say I’m happy and all smiles,” said Leinart. “If it is an open competition, then let’s have it that way from the start.”
not really
it was his job to lose. He played horibad. Like couldn’t get a first down bad. Anderson played much better. It doesn’t have to start as an open competetion to lose the job if you look completely incompetent.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I guess
it just seems like a short time frame to make such a decision.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t this be like replacing your first baseman based on half of Spring Training?
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
No
they don’t play 162 games in football. They don’t get the choice to wait and see in the regular season.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
even less
if they really do expand the season to 18 games
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
And
We aren’t talking about the battle for nickel back. The NFL is so dominated by what the QB does anymore I imagine they have to make that decision as early as possible.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
So doesn’t this make the coaches really dumb because they couldn’t notice this in training camp?
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s also history of Leinart getting beat by an old Kurt Warner every year.
Its not as if he didn’t have chances.
I know Warner has been built up as a potential HoF player for the last couple of years, but Leinart could have nipped this in the bud if he wanted to and couldn’t. That’s on him.
I'm saying its not just been this off season where Lienart had a shot.
This is his 5th NFL season, and if his team doesn’t want to give him the chance that even JaMarcus Russell had, well… I’m not going to worry about it.
I think Russell
is the opposite. Proved that he was a lousy QB, but was still run out there.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
He hasn't started since Wisenhunt got there
he was the starter his rookie year and played well (for a rookie)
Then he gets beat out by an “old” quarterback who will probably go to the HOF. He’s not one of Wisenhunt’s guys so he’s not sticking his neck out for him.
by Greg Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
They haven't given the job to Anderson yet
but they are giving him an oppurtunity to work with the first team offense.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
He hasn't played well but deserves more of a chance imho
and I watched Anderson, I wouldn’t say he played “much better” — he’s had a lot more reps than Leinart, and 2 interceptions and 1 TD isn’t all that impressive either. The Cards don’t have the greatest choice between the two of them but Leinart needs a longer look in camp imho. Anderson is your fill-in backup guy who can come in and do good things on occasion… Leinart could be worse than that but they need to give him more reps in games.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
that said, I haven't been impressed with Leinart's ability to
read defenses, call plays and audibles as much as he should be able to, and obviously neither are the Cardinals…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
They aren't cutting Leinert
but they have to give Anderson a chance with the first team. You cannot go 3 and out 3 times to start the game and expect them to NOT give the other guy a chance. They can’t afford to give Leinert a chance in the regular season if he can’t even get first downs in the preseason.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
49ers are gonna be trouble this year
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Doesn’t that go for all the teams in the NFC West?
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Rams
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
"Games are won in the trenches"
OK, I guess…
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Basically
It’s possibly the shittiest division in the NFL this year. They seem the only decent team at the moment.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
The AFC West
could make a run at that title. I also think the NFC East could be surprisingly bad this year.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
The AFC West will be better than last year
even though the Chargers stand to be worse. The Raiders, Broncos and Chiefs are all better, especially after each had a good draft. It is still one of the weaker divisions but up and coming and with more parity. The NFC West is 3 bad teams and 1 mediocre team.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Cardinals D could be rather good this year
and their running game will possibly be better. Niners have an unproven line, I don’t trust Frank Gore after last year, Alex Smith could fall apart at any time, Their secondary is still lacking.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
They got Darryl Washington to replace Dansby
The got Dan Williams, Although NTs don’t always contribute right off in their first year. Rolle was probably overrated. They have good corners. They might come down from last year, but the 49ers still have to surpass them, and have at least as many question marks. It’ll be close methinks.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
“Unproven line” and “Alex Smith” are words that make any ’Niners fan nervous.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
At least they have that mutant TE
as a safety valve, and can do lots and lots of WR screens to crabtree. Even Alex Smith and a shitty line can make those work.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
You’re making it seem that Alex Smith can do that and more all season.
This is the NFL, opponent’s are going to adjust against the ’Niners week by week.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
but I think they will be at least competent running the ball, and using the screens should help them make things easier on the line by making other teams more hesitant to blitz. Their defense is their strength, the offense just needs to be competent.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Speaking of defense and secondary, how’s old pal Taylor Mays?
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Still bitter at Pete Carrol?
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Oh snap
You’re a ‘Niners and Texan’s fan?
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
No I just follow this stuff
Pretty much just a Texans fan, but they played the 49ers last year and I followed the draft pretty closely, so I have a good idea as to whats going on with them. I don’t know if you know this, but Patrick Willis is actually a divine being and can shut down both the run game, play action pass, dump off pass, and screen game, all at the same time single handedly. Or at least thats what 49ers fans think.
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Not sure to be honest
I can’t remember if he is playing FS or SS.
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heh they play the rams game one
point Eric Stephen. Game 2 is the Falcons though. Game 3 is the Raiders, who might be goodish.
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Come to think of it
I played softball last week with a guy who played 6 NFL seasons. Said he played 2 each with the Falcons, Vikings and Titans. Wish I had caught his name.
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Nothing sad about it. Anderson can play.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
What is sad is that Derek Anderson is better than Matt Leinart. That is what I meant. I like Anderson a lot better than Matt L.
Anderson is the gifted athlete who is a moron. That’s why he never wins a job immediately because he fails at the classroom stuff. Then he gets on the field and coaches watch him throw a 60 yard pass on the fly and realize he’s just too talented and you have to take the good with the bad.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
How's Matt Cassell doing?
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Carroll pulled the same thing with Matt Barkley,
I can’t see how as a true freshman he was better than both Corp and Mustain unless you were thinking long term.
I always thought Carroll was brilliant for naming a starter and then sticking to it. QB controversies kill teams. The fact that he called Leinart his guy and let it be known that he was the starter was brilliant to me.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
STFU Leinert
It wasn’t an open competetion, you just sucked that much
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Not surprising
He was always a little whiny bitch.
Umm, yeah.
Trojan….
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Lame
I guess winning 7 straight Pac-10 titles labels them as “bitches”
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
whiny bitches
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Carson Palmer seems like a nice guy though
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Rec’d!
Same conversation as we had above about Angel fans hating the Dodgers, it’s amazing how many people hate the Trojans. I just laugh…jealousy is an ugly trait.
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't blame me
grew up in a UCLA household. It’s not my fault.
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No its not
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Its not the same conversation
Its more then just jealousy.
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Go Bears!
Down with directional California!
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I have hated the Trojans just because, ever since I was a little boy.
Their fans have nothing to do with it.
I’m not a USC hater and was not calling Trojans bitches (for the record). LEINART on the other hand has always been a whiny bitch.
For example when they lost to Texas
he said something stupid about being the better team, they just happened to get outplayed.
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I was not a fan of that postgame interview. I remember that at the time.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
They were far and above the better team
to bad for them they didn’t have the best player on the field, in the world, for that one game.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't get that
how? Texas also dominated the regular season, and proceeded to beat USC in a fair game. That to me says they are the better team. Thats like saying the Cardinals aren’t better then someone else because they have Pujols.
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I get it from a player’s point of view who just lost. Up and down they felt they had a better team, but they didn’t have Vince Young. Calling someone whiny for what they say in a post game interview after enduring one of the great Rose Bowl games ever just seems bizarre. That seems to be your only reference for calling him whiny. I never got that from him during his during his USC years but then I rarely pay attention to what 17 – 21 year olds have to say anyway. Maybe you all were different but until I was 30 I said incredibly stupid shit and if any of it had been caught on tape for the world to review, I’d be considered one of biggest assholes in the world.
Snap personality judgments should be left to Plashke.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Every other thing I have ever heard about him while he was with the Cardinals
no one has seemed to ever have anything good to say about the guy, and then there is his most recent quote. All he had to say is they got outplayed, shut his mouth and go on with his life. Its disrespectful for him to have run his mouth like that in front of th camera. He can go bitch with his buddies later if he wants, but if he feels the need to put that out in public then I don’t have any problem judging him for it. This isn’t some kid who had never had a camera and mike shoved in his face, he had a whole year to learn how to handle it.
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No I wouldn't
I would say he should just shut his mouth and move on. I’m pretty sure you just trolled me.
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Okay
but I’ve seen so many whiny fucking comments on this board on a daily basis, but I don’t consider the posters to be whining fucks. Just frustrated.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't have the national media listening to me
Its context. Now White can come in and tell me its actually perception.
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I don’t disagree that’s it all aboutcontextperception
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
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I know I said that, but I was wondering what that had to do with the topic.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
not much, other then me using the context line again
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I'm just playin
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Really?
Because Kemp made the same comments about the Phillies in the 2009 NLCS. He thought the Dodgers were the better team.
I never saw those quotes
and I think he should have just shut his mouth.
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ya
I agreed with him, but still felt he should have kept quiet and just said Nice job phillies.
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he did
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
As has just about every other athlete
asked the question who felt his team was better then the team he lost to.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
He also
Used to bitch about Reggie getting all of the spotlight when HE was the QB. He whined about endorsements to his agents. He has complained every off-season & pre-season since he joined the Cardinals.
Thank you
look, that was just one example, that has been surrounded by a bunch of other things to bolster that opinion of him. I also think he cares more about being a pretty boy in the spotlight then he does about winning football games, which seems to be backed up by all the talk of his work ethic.
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And I was just making a comment to be funny. People get testy when their team is starting to play like a playoff contender.
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It is awesoke when we discuss the Dodgers bc everyone is pulling from
the same end of the rope.
I bring up my favorite team, and all of the sudden I turn stupid.
Hey UCLA. You guys are the punk bitches that can't win because you guys like Kevin Craft.
There, now everyone is insulted.
UCI can't win because instead of a football team they built an awesome library!
Am I doing it right?
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Damn institution of higher learning has their priorities waaaaaaaay f’d up.
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
We have to decide between football and the college
it’s settled, tomorrow we start tearing down the college
but where will the students sleep?
where they always sleep, in the classroom.
/Horse Feathers.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I never got that
why show up to class to sleep? Just stay home dummies. If the class takes roll, there is a good chance the teacher would nail you for sleeping there. /overanalyze joke.
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I can’t remember the last time UCLA had a good Qb. Maybe Cade McNown?
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I wanted to do
nasty things to that boy when I was 8
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Like mess up his crayons.
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yeah
real dirty stuff like that, and build sand castles with him
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
make him cookies
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I was all the time going
Mom! Can we envite Cade McKnowns over and I can may him cookies
Which is weird cause per my dad and grandparents we should be a USC family. And then UCLA rejected me and I went to Cal, double weird.
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
and you screamed at the national anthem too I bet.
and the hooooome of thheeeee BLUE
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whoops
home of the BEARS.
rocket’s BLUE glare.
pissed me off when I went.
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Really?
You’re so patriotic : )
As far as I’m concerned, these are the words to the nat’l anthem
[silence] rocket’s BLUE glare…..star spanGOLD banner…..home of the BEARS
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Give us back our fight song hippies!
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YOU STOLE IT FROM US!
Stop putting unnecessary endings on OUR fight song!
‘Cause damn you it’s Big C
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
It's called Sons of Westwood round here
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I'm not getting sucked into this
you muted our colors, you bastardized our fight song, you infantalized our mascot, and your band has a god damn juggler.
UCLA, why’d you have to bruin a good thing?
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, Josie.
You make life so much more enjoyable.
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Doesn’t every UC school have the same colors?
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
but everyone else
had the intelligence to use color safe bleach
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
UCI has the best Blue and Yellow combo!
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Wow
Josie Becker, everybody! Josie Becker!
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Teach him how to park in a handicap spot?
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Troy Aikmen?
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Was hoping for someone from this quarter century.
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I knew the Cowan bros
growing up, too bad they didn’t end up being the greatest tag team since the New Age Outlaws
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I was at Joseph's
while they were at Bosco. Not like new them new them but Joe was prom king or something
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
phew. for a second there I thought you were going to reveal yourself as my long lost prom date
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
0-2 record against Rodney Peete and the Trojans, BTW. I was in my masters program at the time, the only good thing we had going then was beating them twice in a row.
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
USC was #2 in 1988 when they faced #1 Notre Dame. Let’s not talk about what happened after that.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
McLeod Bethel-Thompson had an elite name.
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
That wasn't that long ago and he was more then good
he was a great college qb.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I think I was in early high schol when Cade McNown was playing. He was LEGIT in college though I tend to attribute his success to the O-line and his deep ball. Saw him as a Kerry Collins type. Think they went to the Cotton Bowl in 97 and Rose Bowl in 98.
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Wow a Kerry Collins drop in here. Bring up Kevin Brown and you have my two favorite players from the early 2000s.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Brown
has nasty stuff, and is one ornery S.O.B.
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It really is puzzleling.
I thought Brehaut would be sailing away with the starting QB role after the Bruins got him. Love his mechanics.
But hasn’t clicked yet. Instead, they’re settling on Prince.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Enright
Baseballs luckiest starting pitcher (IP > 50) on the hill tonight (B.Enright). ERA/FIP/xFIP of 2.73/4.47/4.94, Babip of .245, LOB% of 86.4%. Will he regress? Or has he along with Tim Hudson found the magic potion for outperforming FIP and xFIP by wide margins. But more importantly is this potion carried by Amway?
Amway will tell you they have it
and sell you dish soap instead.
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Lets take a look at that sucker in a week.
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Don't have a week to decide on Manny
Have 4 games
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Hah Colleti ain't looking at that anyways
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If only there was another simulator that would publish playoff odds that I could link to :)
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
HEY XEIFRANK I THINK HE MEANS YOU
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STOP YELLING AT ME DADDY
what?
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After 9/1 I will start doing it for the entire WC race instead of just for the NL West. Just too many games and too many starting rotations to project out. But it is coming – and that’s not what she said fyi freaks.
WTF…are you doing this with a pencil and paper or did you write some software? Just get some more RAM and a faster processor and let her rip!
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
the data entry is killing me
need to outsource to India or China, but they’d probably spell all the names wong.
Everyone’s name would be Scott or Bill :)
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Can't have everyone being called Scott
they’d be immediately and irreparably cooler than us!
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The real problem is the schedules
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I've seen a couple of people looking for work on here.
Have someone help you out! Get an intern from a local college.
"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson
by Ego Crusher! on Aug 27, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s way too hard to find Interns who
1) Know their shit
2) Won’t show up hungover four days a week.
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
You get what you pay for.
"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson
by Ego Crusher! on Aug 27, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
FOOOOOOOOOTBALLLLLLL
maybe
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It’s been the longest off-season for me. Six…More..Days
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Keith wakes up in the morning feelin like P. Diddy.
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Brushin my teeth with a bottle of Jack
cause when I walk out of the door I ain’t comin back
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I immediately regret his decision.
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I'm talking pedicure on my toes
trying on all my clothes
boys blowing up my phone
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by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I am really looking forward to next Thursday. I’m cautiously excited about the upcoming season.
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Why would you want to do that? Just have your wife call over some friends.
by KellyStephen on Aug 27, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
As you should be
I just hope the line stays intact all season, which I don’t :(
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Cross two teams off. Rays and Yankees.
Sources say neither the #Rays nor the #Yankees have claimed Manny. So, doesn’t look like he’s going back to the AL East.
Damn
I knew the Rays were out after they got Hawpe, the Yanks were never really a possibility. I had hopes of the Rangers to be in it though.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Did you see his HR last night? Just crushed a curveball.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
that dude hung the shit out of it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
“i hear #rangers did not win claim. neither did the couple teams behind them in picking order.” Which would be….?
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
They probably wanted Manny to play LF.
Shift Hamilton to RF, Byrd to center, and bench Borbon who has a 70 OPS+.
On a related note, ESPN.com has some guy named Brandon Boggs listed first on the LF depth chart.
Josh Hamilton has 531 PAs.
Byrd
would have to make a hell of a commute to play CF for them.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Which doesn't make sense either as he hasn't played CF since his age 25 season.
I guess it would have to be Hamilton playing CF.
Oh screw it, I can’t figure this out.
How is Marlon Byrd going to play center for Texas? It’s a long run from Chicago.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 27, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Rats, too late!
The Rangers are going to get Cruz back on Sunday or Tuesday.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 27, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I was trying to sound polite. That was my downfall. I was also wondering if perhaps I wasn’t reading a thread from 2009.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 27, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
So either the surprise team
that Silverwidow alludes to, or the White Sox. I’m rooting for the White Sox myself. I’d really like to see the outfield of Manny, Pierre, Jones for at least one game. Then I’d like to see them win the Division with most of our payroll playing for them.
face, palm
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I don't even know what that means!
Either way, even out of context Pierre and Kemp should never look that close statistically, for the sake of all our livers.
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stats are like DVD box sets
they always come out with a better one
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
The day I really understand wOBA
is the day you’ll stop using it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
WOBA in three sentences:
Everything you do has a run value against average. A single is worth .45 runs, and out is worth -.25, etc. WOBA takes that sum, then scales it so 0 runs above average = league average on base percentage.
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t tell you how many times I read that trying to figure it out. Just tell me what a good wOBA is so I know if player X is good or not.
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ok, tell me this
what is a good wOBA?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I always assume .350 is good, but i don’t know how accurate that is.
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It’s about right. League average is somewhere between .320 and .330 usually.
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
new stat: OBP+
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Very cool
#Dodgers photographer Jon SooHoo will celebrate his 25th year with the team by throwing out first pitch on Friday vs. Giants.
I just wanted to point out that I tweeted about that a few weeks ago. I don’t feel the better person tweeted that. :)
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
well played
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I offered SooHoo the opportunity to stand on my shoulders in the press box during the Vin press conference, but he declined.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 27, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
How will we know?
There will be no photographic evidence of the event.
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“The Rangers put in a waiver claim on Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez but lost him to another team. Speculation is that it was the Chicago White Sox but that has not been confirmed.”
http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/08/rangers_claim_ramirez_but_anot.html
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 11:22 AM PDT reply actions
jaysonst #WhiteSox were the team awarded the claim on Manny, according to MLB source. Strong indications #Rangers & #Rays also claimed him.
who be he?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The White Sox’s top 3B prospect. I know we won’t get him, but I have some hope.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Not that we’d get either but between Flowers and Morel who would you want?
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Morel for sure
he’s kind of lacking power for a 3B though. The ChiSox would say Viciedo is their top 3B prospect I think.
Morel
Flower’s SO rate drives me away, but we deserpately need a 3B prospect.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
brett morels good
but he isnt too much to get excited about… but anything we can get ffor manny i am down..
but remmeber the soxs gave us jim thome for nothign last year…
are they expecting us to return the favor?
by matthewmafa on Aug 27, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m going out on a limb and guessing that Brent Morel is a bad ass prospect for the Sox, probably a C or 3B….
3B who is currently on FIRE. He’s 23 in AAA.
by silverwidow on Aug 27, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah let's put it this way
Ned holds the chips here. If he can’t get a really good prospect – Morel or someone else – for Manny, he should say screw it since the Dodgers are still technically in the playoff race. He should wait til after the weekend anyway though.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Manny has basically the same value Thome had at this time last year. If we even got back a C prospect I’d be ecstatic.
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Not even in the same ballpark
Thome could not play, so was a pinch hitter. Manny is a DH moving to a DH. You keep making this comment, but everytime you do, your still wrong.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough. But there’s still a hell of a lot of distance between Morel and Justin Fuller.
by regfairfield on Aug 27, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
but I think they may let Teahen go since they do have two 3rd base prospects. We could use a LH hitting 3rd baseman.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
If he can hit righties
lets get a platoon going!
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I think he has more value than that
He could still play the outfield if needed, Thome couldn’t even play first base. Thome was a great hitter but at that point less was expected of him. Manny is on downside but can obviously still hit especially as a DH. He has more value to an AL team of course. That said I agree with you that the odds of getting Morel for him are kind of slim come to think of it. I’ll take a B prospect :-)
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Though I do agree that a C prospect would be nice
Justin Fuller was nothing but garbage. If we trade Manny we will do better then Justin Fuller.
by meercatjohn on Aug 27, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Morosi
“The White Sox talked to the Dodgers about a trade for Ramirez even before his waiver period expired, at 1 p.m. ET Friday.”
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Jeez. Even for you that's pretty darned cynical. :-/
Or at the very least… it ain’t happening.
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Heyman Concurs
white sox won the claim for manny
How would you define your approach to management, apart from being brilliant?
by Josie Becker on Aug 27, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Does anyone have any idea how minor league promotions will go for our prospects after the year?
That also depends on things like will Sands be an outfielder or a 1B, and should Travyon have a taste of AAA to start the year keep essentially the same outfield we’ve got in AA now.
Without having any real knowledge on how this would work (more of the thinking of our management), I would guess that:
Trayvon moves AAA
Sands plays 1B in AA
Russell stays in AA
Cavazos-Galvez moves to AA
Van Slyke goes back to AA
Blake Smith goes to High A
Mario Songco goes to High A
Nick Akins goes to Low A
Leon Landry goes to High A
Lemmerman goes to Low A
Baldwin goes to Ogden
Jonathan Garcia goes to Low A (might be too aggressive with him, I believe he is in Arizona now, so possibly Ogden as well)
Aaron Miller goes to AA
Allen Webster goes to AA
Maggill either stays in Lo A or goes to High A, but because of how Hi A pitchers have done I think he stays in Lo A until he is ready to go to AA
Ethan Martin stays in High A
Eovaldi stays in High A
I know I’m missing some players on this list, so let me know if there are any big ones that I did. Also, does anyone think any of these won’t happen? I may have been very aggressive with quite a few of these.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Withrow stays in AA as well
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
After the year he’s had in Lo A I think he’s proven he can handle that, so he’s in line to be promoted, I’m just not sure they would want to send anyone to IE after how Martin and Eovaldi have done there this season. I think they just might go the Withrow route and fast track him up to AA.
Like I said though, I’m just going off what I think will happen with my limited knowledge of how prospects are really handled.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Withrow
was in high A before AA though. Even though Webster did well, he was hardly dominant.
I personally would send him and Magill to A+ to join Webster and Martin. Miller goes to AA though to join WIthrow and Rub a dub dub.
He was? For some reason i thought he skipped AA…hmmm….
Oh yeah, I forgot about Rubby too, he will stay in AA too.
If they aren’t afraid of the Cal League killing their SP prospects stats, then I agree we will see Martin, Eovaldi, Webster, and Magill in High A.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
where
does Lee play?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Slipped my mind
Gould did as well.
I’d guess Lee starts in Ogden next year. Gould might be there as well.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I assumed Lee would go to Ogden too
since that’s where they started Kershaw.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
Kershaw started in the GCL a month after being drafted. Then began his first full year in Great Lakes.
by silverwidow on Aug 27, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
kershaw pitched the year he was drafted in the GCL
and the next year started in Great Lakes. I thhink they start Lee in great lakes.
+1
Lee is polished enough for Great Lakes.
by silverwidow on Aug 27, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Low A pitching staff is going to be good
Lee
Gould
Cash – He’ll be in Ogden, but I’m sure he will be with the Loons
by Julio Nievas on Aug 27, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Cash is another one I forgot
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
+1
but what is that thing about cold weather?
by matthewmafa on Aug 27, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
You would skip Gould to Low A? That’s a very aggressive move, IMO. Lee could really either be in Ogden or Great Lakes, especially with how much money he got.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
If Gould goes to Low A, that would not be a skip.
by silverwidow on Aug 27, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
its his second pro season
i thought he should have been in low a to start this year….
by matthewmafa on Aug 27, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
IVDOWN
this is a great topic and should be fanposted so we can have a discussion all for itself
by matthewmafa on Aug 27, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
greg wilborn
does he go to A+ AA or stay at Low a?
by matthewmafa on Aug 27, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Can the Dodgers trade Manny if he hurts his knee again?
MikeSciosciasTI
Fun thought: what if Manny blows out his knee this wknd before a decision is made? “Hey, Chicago. Enjoy paying him now, it’s your problem.”
depends on how well you store it
how long can you resist it though?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 27, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be the longest I've ever been comfortable
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
It's fucking spaghetti
doesn’t cost much to make fresh.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I thas been in there
for 4 days now.
Only reheated on the stove once.
Still tastes great.
I’m about to eat some more
I’m curious how the Clippers fans here feel about Melo for Gordon + 2 first rounders. From an outsider’s perspective, I like Gordon a lot and hope he succeeds with the Clippers, I don’t like anthony’s play style, and I think none of it matters unless Baron Davis can stay healthy and motivated for a full season.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
The NBA is still a superstar driven league isn’t it…
Do salaries even match in that scenario? I assumed it had to be Kaman instead of Gordon.
by Michael White on Aug 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Fanshot discussion on where our minor leaguers will start in 2011
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/8/27/1654321/who-will-be-going-where-in-our
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
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